and your question to alex about marco rubio was a bigger question. you're asking why are we seeing this degree of acquiescence. and i think the main story is when and where does it end because it's got to at some point. >> thank you for jumping on with us. that does it for this hour. mtp daily starts right now. katy, thanks for helping out. >> hope your vacation was nice. and if it is monday, are the trump faithful having doubts? tonight r trump country troubles. our new poll shows president trump slipping with his base, but russia is not the topic moving the needle down. so what is? plus, the republican healthcare bill in limbo again. >> the president is going to be engaged. he's going to get this done. >> we'll talk to the republican

governor of arkansas, asa hutch i son. >> and senators just want to have fun. this is mtp daily and it starts right now. good evening, i'm katy tour in new york in for chuck todd. as a politician mr. trump has been historically unpopular and historically resilient. right now president trump is battling to keep it that way. in the wake of last week's revelations about donald trump jr.'s meeting with russia, here we are yet again, trying to assess the full scope of the damage, because yet again a huge chunk of the public seize wrongdoing, and yet again the president's supporters do not. the president today defended his son's meeting, arguing most politicians would have gone to a meeting like the one done junior attended in order to get info on an opponent.

that's politics. his comments come after his outside lawyer jay sekulow chris crossed the sunday shows again, insisting there was nothing to see. >> everybody is coming to the same conclusion regarding the legality. there's nothing illegal about that meeting. here is what happened, first of all, nothing happened. there's been no exchange of information. well, i wonder why the secret service if there was nefarious, why did the secret service allow these people in. >> yet again, their argument are dubious. politicians are not saying they would have taken it. no, not everybody is saying no laws were broken. ultimately the special counsel will decide that. and had no, it's not certain there was no exchange of information. one of the meetings attend he's, in fact, says there was. and no, the secret service didn't let those folks in. they put out a statement today saying they weren't even covering trump junior at that time. but again, there is evidence that this stuff doesn't matter

for a giant chunk of the president's base which is keeping him afloat. less than a third of republicans right now will even acknowledge that russia tried to influence the election according to a new poll taken by the "washington post" and abc news. that number hasn't bujd in months. only 7% think the trump campaign helped russia. that number is actually dropped by 4 points since april. and the percentage of republicans who think the campaign didn't have anything to do with it has gone up. in other words, even the republicans who believe the intelligence so russia are growing less suspicious of the trump russia story. despite the firing of fbi director james comey because of russia, the appointment of a special counsel on russia, giving classified information to russia at the white house. reports that president trump tried to get the fbi to drop its investigation into michael flynn, who lied to the white house about russia, and seemingly despite the bombshell surrounding trump junior's campaign meeting with russia. a new poll out today from monday

mouth finds that this issue has grown stagnant. concern about russia's influence in the white house has barely bujd in the past two months. and according to a new nbc news wall street journal poll taken in trump counties, his approval rating is a good 10 to 15 points higher in those areas than it is nationally. so here we are yet again, trying to figure out what the heck is all means. i'm joined now by nbc's senior political editor mark murray and nbc national political correspondent steve kornacki. gentlemen, hopefully you can help me figure this out. the trump junior revelations, is that the thing that will end up breaking through? >> with trump's base it doesn't look like it and this could end up being that you go six months or a year of revelations, even someone like special counselor bob mueller who ended upbringing things to a grand jury and that

might not end up bujing because there are two important dynamics at play, katy. on the one hand you have president trump p standing with democrats and independent ents and both national polls end up showing that just about 5% of democrats approval of are his job. just about 35% of i understand pentsds approval of it as well, which is historically low for a president at this stage. then on the other hand you have 90% of republicans or 85, maybe a little bit less backing president trump, and that creates this stagnant situation, as you pointed out, where his -- trump's aprooul rating hovers anywhere between 35 and 40%. and it's done that for the last two or three months. >> and is that bad news for him, mark? is that ultimately going to get lower? is it going to mean that the independence, the soft democrats, the moderate republicans who supported him at the end of the election, maybe the ones who held their nose at hillary clinton are just going to say you know what, audioos.

>> it means that he's not falling and collapsing. because we ended up seeing for george w. bush in his second term after hurricane ka treena and the iraq war that 85% of republican support ended uch going down to 70% and 65%. and that's when you actually knew that the situation was very bad. president trump right now has the support of the republican party. so that's the good news. the bad news is, and we're going to see this play out in the health care legislation, can he be able to get his party in line to be able to influence that policy debate? and, you know, sometimes being a president is just more playing to your own party. it's actually trying to win over persuadeable people of the opposition. and what we've seen for president trump so far in his six months in office is someone who has played only to his base and not tried to actually win over others, whether being independence or democrats. >> i feel like i have a little deja vu, steve. >> yeah. >> this fooels very much like it did in the campaign, he is personally towards the end when he would do something that you

just couldn't do every day it felt like and republicans or democrats or experts or analysts or the polls would say, yeah, no, it's not going to happen. >> here is the challenge that he presents and i think he presented this as a candidate and a lot of this is sort of hindsight conventional wisdom here, but if you look back at a lot of people that pun dits on television people like me were saying throughout the campaign of 2016, there's a series of almost true ichls, that you're trained as a pun did or an analyst, whatever you want to call it to spout during a campaign about you need to do this where advertising dollars, you need to do this with the ground game in your campaign, your favorable rating can't be below this point, your support among the republican party, democrat party can't be below this point, you have to have this state. so many true ichls that we've been pout issing for years were completely blown up by donald trump. and i think that was the spoer it of the campaign. a year ago today we had nbc news wall street journal poll that came out that gave donald trump a 27% faishl score. we said that's the worst in

history, historically low, right. that same poll showed the republican party it's image was like 227 points below the democratic party. his views you were out of the mainstream. those were the numbers he was carrying into the election. and i think if you put yourself into the shoes of a republican elected official right now, we've been saying one of the things with this russia story and the revelations last week is republican leaders not breaking, not showing any distance with donald trump. well, here is why. he went through ten, 12, 15, accident tingz level events as a candidate and the numbers seemed to show it. the polls seemed to show that he was lagging with republicans. the polls seemed to show that he was going to lose. and these republican members of congress in a lot of cases really kept their distance from him in the campaign. and they woke up and they found out not only that he won, but he wob with 90% republican support. and i think psychologically they look at that and they said i don't understand my own party's base the way i thought i did. >> i think you're right. i remember the s "access hollywood" tape we saw republican after republican

after republican above 12 in the hours after that saying you know what, he's got to drop out after this. >> cut him loose that weekend. >> cut him loose and then voted for him. >> i think that's what's in their mind. i think fundamentally it's yeah, sure, this about russia, yeah, sure, this about whatever the explosive story of the day is, but then they remember. wait a minute, i've lived this before. >> so is the new rule there are no rules. >> i think if you're a republican member of congress you've got to see something different than this. fall into the 20s. you've got to see republicans start breaking with him in numbers we haven't seen before. >> start seeing republicans lose elections. >> and right now, look, you can make a case democrats were closer in these special laengsz, but the bottom line is the republicans won. >> why were articles of keechment ultimate lg brought up? >> well, it took awhile. first of all, you had special election. you had a big one in cincinnati in the spring of 1974 in a republican district that the

democrats won and the second thing is the midterm of' 74 was approaching. nixon was -- nixon, unlike trump, reached for a big base of support all along. trump has been playing a different game than every president we've ever seen. >> highlyly focused. thank you. mark murray, thank you as much. and as a candidate mr. trump seemed at times obsessed with the loyalty of his supporters. here are just a few examples. >> you know what else they say about my people? the polls, they say i have the most loyal people. did you ever see that? where i could stand in the middle of the fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters, okay. it's like incredible. my people are the most intelligent of the people. and you know what else? they're the most loyal of the people. they're loyal. did you see one of the things that came out in the one poll, nobody is ever leaving me. ic be the worst person in the world, they're not leaving. we're the smartest people, we're the most loyal people. 68% would not leave under any

circumstances. i think that means murder. i think it means anything. okay? and the rest, i think i got up to 92, which was like will probably never leave me. you know, it's been reported that the most loyal people are the supporters of trump. and i believe that. >> let's bring in the panel. christopher particulary is world news editor for the daily beast. jennifer pal marry was the communications director for the obama white house and then is the clinton campaign. senior editor with the national review. jennifer, want to start with you. tell me why steve kornacki is wrong, why rules matter. >> oh, i think that he's right about trump supporters not leaving him, and that was something we were very aware of in the clinton campaign. you couldn't let a voter get bought into him because once they have, it's going to be very unlikely to turn them off. what we found is that it's not necessarily an economic plan that he's offering that voters

find compelling, but it's he shares their world view, and he val dagts their world view. and that is something that is very meaningful to them. and i think that's something we have to understand about the way voters are thinking these days. it's not along the lines of, you know, policy or agendas that i think we used to approach this. now, where i think he's -- i don't know that steve is wrong, but where the republicans should be more concerned is it shouldn't take -- they shouldn't be basing how they treat this president on how he does with their voters if they're concerned about the long-term health of the country and of the party. this is a president that is not just not up to the job, but doing damage to our democracy and doing damage i think to the standing of the rerun. and i think republicans don't want to take him on because they don't want to have a civil war in their party. they don't want to disappoint

the president's supporters, but somewhere along the way that civil war is coming to this party. and i think for the good of the country, they should see that this president is a danger to the democracy and they should be willing to take him on now. >> ra mesh, what about that argument that republicans are putting party over country? >> well, i think that what you actually see is republicans taking on president trump in a way that is actually unusual for members of the same party. the problem for the critics is that trump is such an unusual president, they think of him as such a threat that they want the republicans to go further. but it's very unusual, actually, for snorgs and members of the house to say as negative and as dismissive of things that they've said, for them to be holding hearings early on into the personnel decisions as with the fbi director. the question, of course, is what the benchmark is, sort of what they should be doing.

i'd just note, you know r we were talking about watergate earlier, that even at the very end of the nixon years, nixon still had the support of a little bit over 50% of republican voters. the question is not is trump going toll totally krart, but is he going to move incrementally downward. >> so, chris, you live in paris most times. >> i do. >> but you've been back in the states for alittle while. past few weeks, right. >> couple weeks. >> spending some time in georgia and the caroline as. what was your experience with the voertsds out there? were they gung ho about trump and about the republican party or was it just the entire republican spectrum? >> well, i was visiting family, and i've got to tell you most of my family is not on the trump band wagon. >> trump train. >> but i talked to a lot of people about why there is so much support for trump, and i think it's -- i think sometimes we miss the point. i think it's really important that he's an entertainer.

he's not a statesman. he's not a politician. he tweets about this is what any politician would do. he doesn't know what a politician would do. that's not what he is. he is an entertainer. and i think many people in the south and around the country got used to him being in their living room with the apprentice and celebrity apprentice and really he's no different now than he was then. but they're familiar with it. whereas a politician who is telling them what to do, telling him that he or she knows best how they should run their least, they're not so easy with that. >> and they would bring up the apprentice why i would ask them why they like donald trump. that definitely resz natured. >> that makes them sound maybe more stupid than they are. >> no, no, no. no. it's more like they believe in the person that he has put forth, this idea that he is a very successful businessman, that he knows what he's doing because look at the elm pier that he's built and their best

accessible example of that was that show. >> yeah. well, it's very spg to contrast the european view of him which is that he's ignorant, incompetent, that he's just a disaster. with that kind of point of view. what you're talking about is what we used to say down south, if you're so smart, why ain't you rich? well, he plays it the other way. i'm so rich, therefore i'm so smart. >> yeah. jen, most republicans don't plooef this russia connection. very far republicans believe in this russia connection. how do democrats punch through that? >> i'm not surprised by that because i think they view everything through a lens of what president trump thinks about it. so they define themselves as trump supporters, and if he is telling them that this is a bogus story, they're going to accept that. and i don't think that if you took a poll of republicans in congress they would have the same belief. i think that they would show a lot more concern.

and at some point this process is probably going to end in congress -- mueller will do some kind of report, presumably. it will probably get sent to congress. and it's going to be on the republicans in congress to decide what they are going to -- what they are going to do with it. and, you know, they should want to take a much broader view. i think that this -- i think that whenever there will be a post trumper ra. i think it will be a very painful time for the republican party. and they are trying to staif off a battle that is likely to happen, but the more responsible thing would be to understand that he's -- for them to call this as i believe they probably do see it, as russia has successfully tried to intervene, that there was some kind of cooperation along the way. we'll learn the extent of it from mueller. and they should take it seriously. because it is not -- it's going

to -- it's gonna happen again, and they have to accept that it's on them. it's their responsibility as the majority in congress to take this on. >> jen, and there are some republicans who say that. >> there are, there are. >> this will happen again and that they might not be on the favored side of it next time around. ra mesh, we ask this allel the time. does the levy break and if so, how? >> well, i don't think that it's likely to be some kind of dramatic moment. i think that it's more likely that you've got a slow erosion of his support overtime or stroke supporters become weaker supporter, weaker bhk neutral. there's been some evidence that something like that has happened since january. but, look, is none of these numbers are just happening in a vacuum. the "washington post" abc poll that had trump's numbers relatively low and that at the lashed lookout against also say that 52% of the republic think

that the democrats are antitrump rather than having a vision of their own. it's a binary choice in that sense, and a lot of people who don't necessarily love donald trump don't like the democrats either. >> it could be that famous quote. i went bankrupt gradually. then suddenly. we'll see. chris, jennifer and ra mesh, stay with us. coming up, a health scare puts the breaks on the health care debate. but will the delay make things even more difficult for republicans to pass their healthcare bill? ♪

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. welcome back. senate republicans quest to push a vote on their healthcare bill hit a snag this weekend. arizona senator john mccain had surgery to remove a blood clot from above his left eye and is set to spend the week recovering in arizona. because mccain can't travel, the senate is delaying the vote. right now republicans don't have the votes to get the bill to the floor without mccain, and even when he gets back, there is no room for engineer or. there are already two hard no, sir on the motion to proceed. kentucky's rand paul opposes the bill from the right and maine's

susan collins opposes from the center. >> for all the republicans complaint from about the death spiral of obamacare. >> this bill would impose fundamental sweeping changes in the medicaid program, and those include very deep cuts. that would affect some of the most vulnerable people in our society. >> without paul and collins, senate republican leader mitch mcconnell needs the rest of the caucus 50 members to vote yes to simply begin the is debate on the bill. and that is not a sure bet yet. joining me now from capitol hill is nbc's garrett headache. garrett, thanks for joining us. what's the latest from there? does mitch mcconnell know if he has 50 solid votes? >> reporter: he doesn't, katy. and every minute, every hour that he doesn't, it gets a little bit diceier. i just talked to senator ron johnson a few minutes ago who

was someone who was a maybe on the first draft, seemed to be coming around on this draft of the bill, whose told me he heard new analysis on the medicaid portion of this that makes him less sure of it than he was to go home for the weekend. so every day that mitch mcconnell doesn't get 50 hard yes, sirs it gets a little bit harder to rang elthis. and right now those rose aren't clicking into place. that's not to say that it won't, but it doesn't appear that anything that happened today has changed that calculus. >> any idea when we're going to get a cbo score. >> well, we thought it might come as soon as today. the guidance we got over the weekend was not today but maybe still early this week. there have been questions about scoring the cruz amendment which is one of the more complex parts of this. but we're still hopeful that we'll see something in the early part of this week. they had planned before the surgery to bring this thing to the floor towards the end of this week. so at least in the leader's office that's what they were

looking towards. and katie, i want to put one other thing -- yeah, yeah. i'm glad -- i'm good. what i was hoping to talk about one of, it is interesting, we are seeing the white house get involved in this, but they're not reaching out to a lot of those moderate senators. tonight we know that president trump has invited half a dozen or so senators to the white house. the white house doesn't put out a list, but our team here on the hill has been compiling slowlyly who we know has been invited and it's people like roy blunt and john cornyn and people who are thought to be already very much on board with the bill. we're not seeing those invites or those phone calls we heard about late last week going to the folks like rob portman or shelly more cap at that or those moderate members who are on the fence. so the white house is getting involved, but their strategy is not one that we can easily follow here zbloor p appreciate your time, my friend. and joining me now is arkansas republican governor asa

hutchinson. thank you very much for joining us. you weren't a big fan of the house version of this bill. how do you feel about the senate's? >> well, there's a consensus we have to change from the status quo, both in terms of medicaid but also in terms of access under obamacare. the senate is doing the right thing by pursuing this initiative, trying to get a consensus. at my suggestion and other governors, they have changed a number of portions of it in the revised bill that i think is for flexibility -- >> which portions snoo well, specifically they gave us pay block grant on the expanded medicaid portion, which we asked for and i applaud united states senators for spa chooefg that success. we asked for increased subsidy for those low income that's on the exchange right now so that they would have improved access. that was granted to us. and then they've also given a more fair distribution between the states. so they've made dramatic changes

from -- in the revised bill. i quite frankly expect probably additional changes to be made before a final vote is taken. >> what else would you need? >> well, the big thing is a fair distribution between the federal government and the state in terms of savings. we acknowledge in arkansas that we've got to increase the level of savings. we want to partner with the federal government to do this to make sure that medicaid is available for our most vulnerable and who it's designed for. also to be used, secondly, to help bridge that gap as people move from medicaid onto the work force and have more assistance in getting affordable health care coverage. that's our objective. so you really have to work on that balance and struggle between the federal participation and what is being shifted to the states. we can save money. they're just asking too much at the present time, and that needs to be adjusted. >> so you have 300,000 people in arkansas that have health care from the medicaid expansion.

are you confident that these block grants, these increased subsidies are going to help or ensure that those folks are still covered if this senate bill passes? >> well, i'm convinced, first of all, that the administration wants to have coverage for those. the design is that they are able to shift to the subsidies on what is now the exchange, but it will be a refund alk tax credit. so the goal is that they're covered. it's just in a different means. again, we're worried about the transition. we're worried about the flexibility given to the states. and you mentioned 300 and some thousand in arkansas that's on the expanded medicaid. that's too many. and so we want to be able to move more of those over to the exchange now. i hope to get a waiver for that accomplishment. and so we're being looing at work requirements. we're looking at controlling those numbers better. so we acknowledge that there's

-- that it's not really sustainable for a long time. >> are you saying those people that are on the medicaid expansion right now aren't working? >> no. we're saying that we want -- some of them aren't working. we want to put a work requirement in. i think it's about 60% that are working, but some of it's not a matter of just working. it's not training. do they have the job skills to get the job and move up the economic ladder. we want to be able to provide that training. so it's the assistance. we don't want to make medicaid a permanent entitlement in terms of that expanded population. we want to make it a stepping stone to higher worker performance and worker pay. >> so your two senators in arkansas don't have a public stance on this yet. do you believe ha they should? >> well, i just appreciate the way they're working with us. they're the reason we got these three adjustments in the bill that i mentioned. we want to continue working with them, hopefully pushing the leadership of the senate to have

a better cost split and share with the states. i expect changes to be made. let's see how it develops. but i appreciate how they've worked with me as govern or. >> are they going to vote yes? >> well, i don't know that thee even know what the final product is. so i'll let them speak to that and people who want governors and others to take a final position on it, my job is to articulate the impact that it would have in arkansas. right now it's a cost shift that is difficult for us. it needs to be adjusted from that. we'll continue to look at it and hopefully get more numbers. we want to look at the stability fund that is being advocated by the administration that gives a significant flexibility to the states, but we're not sure that it covers everything yet. >> so if nothing changes from where it stands now, would you advice your senators to vote yes or no on this bill? >> that's a call that they make. they're elected to make that vote -- >> bhald you like them to make, your personal opinion as the

steward of the state of arkansas, what do you want to see for your people? >> i'm answering your question. as the bill stands right now, it's too great of a cost shift to the states. that needs to be adjusted. we'll work with them to create savings in terms of the federal government because we need to have savings. give us the flexibility we can do it, but right now it is too great of a cost shift that i'm looking at. >> governor asa hutchinson of arkansas. sir, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> and still ahead, just how vulnerable to hacking is our election system? (baby crying) ♪ fly ♪ me to the moon (elegant music) ♪ and let me play

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. i'm a professor of computer science and have spent the last ten years studying the electronic voting systems our nation relies on. my conclusion from that work is that our highly computerized election infrastructure is vulnerable to sabotage and even to cyberattacks that could change votes. >> welcome back. that was testimony from last month as part of the senate intelligence committee's investigation into russia's interference in the 2016 election. questions are still swirling over the safety of our election supports and whether they could be susceptible to more hacking. a report today in the wall street journal details a per pleksing story out of south carolina. on election day alone the south carolina state election commission reports that there were nearly 150,000 attempts to penetrate the state's voter registration system. the state says they've seen no evidence that the attacks succeeded.

but in illinois hackers did access voter records for around 90,000 people months before election day. the state says no information was altered and the issue was resolved before voters went to the polls. the hackers there haven't been publicly identified, about ut the security concerns are so widespread across the country. here is what a dhs official told the senate intelligence committee last month. >> as of right now, we have evidence of 21 states election related systems in 21 states that were targeted. >> joining me now is another panelist who spoke to the senate intel committee and a member of the executive board of the national association of state election directors. thank you very much for joining us. let's just get into it. south carolina, 150,000 attempts. why would they do that to a state that's not even a swing state? >> well, good afternoon, katie. i think there's pay couple of

important notes. one is that when we talk about hacking of election systems, we cannot say it enough, that is potential hacking of the voter registration systems, which are separate from and not connected to the voting equipment. secondly, in cases like south carolina, although you'd have to speak to each state individually,ible it's common for allstate government it systems to have routine attempts for computer bots to be checking the vulnerability of the systems. the way it's been explained in lay terms really is knocking on the door, rattling the doorknobs to check to see if systems are vulnerable. not necessarily individuals intentionally trying to hack into an election system. >> why the voter rolls specifically. >> well, it's a good question. i guess you would have to ask the individuals attempting to get into the voter rolls.

of the risks, there are a couple. the voter registration systems are what create the poll lists at the polls so when voters are checking in, if it's possible to manipulator delete data, that could create some confusion at the polls, which in turn could create some lack of confidence in the election system. there's also the risk of having inaccurate data, requiring people to register again. and there are also some privacy concerns. some of the data that is in the voter registration systems is confidential such as a birth date and often a driver license number. >> do we know who did this even broadly? do we know if it was a foreign state government, potentially the russians? >> on a state level, i don't believe we do. the department of homeland security indicated that it had notified any state that was

targeted. wisconsin, for instance, has not been notified that it was targd we've heard from the state of illinois. they were not told in their case that it was russia or any foreign actor. >> your copanelists said that they have ed of 21 states that were affected. were those states that were potentially swing states in this election? >> to be honest, katie, we don't know. the department of homeland security has not shared that list publicly. >> so what do you do in order to stop this from happening? >> i think there's a number of things that states can do. election security, security of the voter registration systems and the voting equipment, are those have been top priorities for election officials for over a decade. the new factor is potential involvement of foreign actors and the federal government, being part of our communication structure which now includes

state official, local election officials, law enforcement, emergency plan ners at all levels. now we have the department of human land security and the fbi and other federal agencies that we need to bring into the loop. we need to make sure that our communication is timely and effective so that when the federal government knows about a potential hacking situation, they share that information with the states. >> michael, how concerned should people be? >> well, as i said, this has been a priority for election officials. it certainly became more of a public focus in 2016. but i think the involvement of the public is important. there are a lot of opportunities for the public to observe elections, observe the testing of voting equipment. a number of states participate in voter data matching programs, like the consortium of 20 states and the district of columbia.

we share data across state lines to check for individuals who have maybe died in another state or moved to another state so that we can keep our voter registration lists up-to-date. so i think the message for the public is that state election officials have been working on this issue in a number of different ways over the years. our job is really to stay ahead of the curve to make sure we're aware of new technology, new risks, spear fishing attempts, and we communicate properly so that the public can have confidence in our elections. >> michael has, thank you very much. >> thank you, katie. >> and just ahead, the trump administration sounds the alarm on american manufacturing. where is the fire?

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theme. but i think it's particularly hard for this administration which has not really acted with unity, with purpose, and which has a president that often takes away from the official message, with whatever he tweets. >> do you think these theme weeks, do they think they get the message out to the american public that he's working really hard in the white house, that he is doing something despite what maybe the headlines and their local papers or local newscasts might have? >> no, i don't. i don't think anybody follows these theme weeks. i don't even think his supporters may much attention to it. the idea made in america, that's an idea that everybody can get behind, but to devote a week to it, i think people will go to sleep. i think it's very hard to talk about made in the usa when people continue to ask if the administration was made in what used to be the ussr. >> now, there's a quote right there.

jen, beyond that, this family, the trump family makes a lot of their products overseas. >> it's amazing. you have to -- the wherewithal that they have to promote made in america when they make their products overseas is pretty incredible. i was white house communications director. i was a fan of theme weeks, but they only work if they're tied to an actual agenda, that you're making progress on. and if they're just a drop in the bucket like this week when it's absent a broader effort to -- where you're actually making progress and people feel it in their lives, they only work when people see that you're actually making progress. i don't suspect -- it's better than not having one at all. because it gives the cabinet something to do, too. >> chris, since i only get to see you in person every once in a while, i think this is the first time actually, you get the last word.

i just heard ramesh wants in. ramesh, i'll go to you first, sorry. >> the administration did just announce the objectives for renegotiating nafta today. i'm not generally in sympathy on their positions on trade, but they've seen erosion over the last few months. the counties where they surged, in the nbc poll, they need to work on this. one of the big problems they've had is the percentage of americans who are confident he's bringing jobs back has dropped. >> what would the president need to do to turn the narrative around in his favor, chris? >> well, you know, i think one of the things that's really depressing here is there's almost no way out for america now, if we talk about the russian question. the russians have essentially won. imagine if we do have an indictment handed down by a grand jury after the mueller investigation, and we still have trump in office, and that is exactly what will happen, so if the goal of the russians was to undermine american democracy, and the credibility of american

democracy, that's done. and it's only going to get worse. what could have saved us is if trump became president and said, i didn't know anything about this, and we are going to look at this very hard, very fast, and very deep. he didn't say that. because he felt that it challenged the legitimacy of his election. and that's what he cares about. >> chris, good to see you. jen, ramesh, guys, thank you. singing praises for a duet that might seem so unusual.

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