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own new program which will air 6:00 p.m. weekdays. we'll announce the start date eventually. but you can mark your calendar in a rough way if you want. a big breaking news night. so i'm happy to hear what rachel maddow has in store for us. >> you're giving us a calendar alert that could exist in the age of digital calendars. you're telling us to pencil this in in general but i can't give you a start date. write a macro so at some point that stakicks in and it starts. >> that's all i was allowed to say. >> a very laurie approawyerly a tonight i had an a block all set and ready to go. we worked on it this weekend. all this breaking news stuff this evening and then this happened this evening and we had all of this crazy stuff happening with the legal teams that are trying to defend or
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represent the various people involved in the russia scandal up to and including the president itself. we were all ready to go and then boom, health care blows up. this is going to be one of those shows where it's all moving parts. but what has just happened on health care tonight is a very big deal. i think we're going to get to the big stories that we've got tonight on the legal team on the russia scandal but this is a bigger deal. breaking news from the nation's capit capital. if you have been following the health care fight you will know that the magic number has been two, the total number of the republicans votes that the republicans can afford to lose in the senate and still kill the affordable care act. still get rid of obamacare. the senate republican leader is mitch mcconnell, saying he's determined to get a vote on his very unpopular health bill that is going to cost tens of millions of americans their health insurance. he said he was prepared to push
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back the traditional august recess so he could keep republican senators in washington longer. the better to be near them so as to twist their arms and offer them, you know, stuff that might sweeten the deal. but he really does need almost every republican in the senate to go along if he's going to pass this repeal of the affordable care act. he could afford to lose two republican senators and no more. and coming in tonight, those two spots were taken. this has been true for a few days and we had every reason to believe this was going to be true all this week. coming in toto night, these two republican senators, rand paul and susan collins, they had said they would vote no. senator collins said shed wouldn't vote because of the huge cuts to medmedicaid. medicaid provides health benefits. she said she wouldn't do it.
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senator rand paul from kentucky said he wouldn't vote for it because repealing obamacare was still too much like obamacare. whatever. for whatever reasons the two of them said they wouldn't vote it. so we were heading into this week thinking. because we knew the next things that were going to happen in the health care bill that might affect those numbers, either collins and paul changing their mind and additional senators joining with them and saying no, which would of course end their chances of repealing obama cair. we knew some of those things were going to fall into line. we knew heading into this past weekend that today, monday, or maybe tomorrow, tuesday, the congressional budget office was going to give us a new score of the republicans' bill which tells you not just how much it's going to cost but how many millions of americans it's going to cost their health insurance. we knew it was going to happen
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today or tomorrow. we knew from senator mcconnell's vote that he wanted a vote by thursday. an impending vote can be something that presses the point, makes people decide what they're going to do. so we knew those triggers were coming. but then this weekend senator john mccain was admitted for emergency surgery or admitted for surgery to repair a blood clot. we're told that was serious surgery, the reaction in political terms from republicans was that they wanted to delay their vote until senate mccain was recovered and back in washington. obviously everybody wishes senator mccain the best. it was a little jarring to see the political response immediately from his party that the way they're responding was by holding off this vote. that's what they said. then we learned that the cess n congressional budget office wouldn't be putting out their score today or tomorrow. all that meant is the triggers that were going to happen this
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week were gone. they were -- their bill was perched and paused and finally balanced on the edge of failure. would anybody else come out against the bill? would that congressional budget office be terrible and cause more republican to say no? would the impending vote on thursday be enough to nudge individual senators one way or the other? those were supposed to be the trigger points. when both of those triggers fell away and neither were going to happen this week, we assumed that we just have another week of stasis. they're right on the edge of failure. two votes and they can't lose another. tonight it has fallen apart. we got the first inklings this evening from senator ron johnson of wisconsin suggesting that maybe he would vote no, that he was offended about the way mitch mcconnell has been talking about the obamacare repeal. i don't know if that's what opened the flood gates. right after that, then a half
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our hour ago senator mike lee of utah tweeted my colleague jerry moran and i will not support the motion to proceed on this bill. and it was lining --ke -- we th all week long we would be standing at two. now all of the sudden they went from two votes they could barely afford to four votes. how did that happen? is this some sort of disturbance in the force for this evening and they're going back to a safer position tomorrow and in the days ahead for this week or did this thing really just completely fall apart tonight. millions of people's health insurance is at stake if. joining us on the phone is frank tharp who has been following these events. thanks for taking our call. >> thanks for having me. >> when i described about the
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timi timing, it was me observing this out of washington in terms of what i expected. did people expect that tonight would be the night we would get a whole bunch more republican senators saying no? >> there wasn't the expectation that this is going to happen tonight. i think that there was an expectation that most of these republican senators who were on the fence were waiting on the cbo score and now that had been delayed we were expecting the announcements to happen once that came out. but there was also an expectation that folks, they didn't want to be the one senator one the one that doomed the bill. so the idea that senators lee and moran came out together and did this together, it makes it a lot of sense. it allows them to be able to do it together, now it's four, not three. neither one of them is the one senator that decided to be the nail in the coffin for this current version of the bill. but, you know, notably, you know, somebody like jerry moran,
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he came out saying he wants to basically start this process over. notably, jerry moran was one of the republican senators to actually have town halls during the 4th of july recess. i don't think there was an expectation that this was going to happen so early. but i also think that it did -- it needed to be at least two senators to come out to get this number to over the two that would actually kill the bill. >> frank, that's a good point about how senator moran has been approaching this. i've been trying to keep an eye, and my staff, we've been trying to keep an eye on what's happening in the states, what's happening in these senators' home offices, what's happening when they're facing their constituents about this. and kansas is one of the states that is a conservative state. a lot of red state voters with the red state mind-set. but there are been tons and tons of demonstrations and town
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halls, a lot of home state pressure on a nart like jerry moran to vote no on this. and if you're looking at it from a national perspective, you wouldn't expect. but that has got to be part of what's in his mind and he's approaching this. do you know if senator mitch mcconnell has a plan around the traffic cones that have been put in his way? is there a temporary problem, something he anticipated or is this really potentially the end? >> it could be. but i mean we're waiting to hear back from mcconnell's office own what they plan to do. it's likely senator republicans will meet. they always meet on tuesday. they have their lunch and mcconnell has his press conference, where he and leadership, they speak to the reporters on capitol hill and tell them what they're going to do, the next steps. that's where we'll end up hearing what they want to do here. the thing is, you know, if senators moran and -- susan
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collins wanted to scrap the entire bill and start over again. wanted hearing, one with more time. and there's a real question about whether or not they have more time. whether or not they can do that, even with the two extra weeks they've given themselves during the august recess. and between now and lunchtime tomorrow, whether or not there's doing to be moderate republicans who are expecting to come out against the bill, whether they will start to trickle out now that they know that this bill is -- or at least this current version is not going anymore. >> fascinating stuff. frank thorpe, thank you very much. i know you're in the middle of reporting this out tonight. that last point that frank was making there, for the people on my staff who have been watching this more closely and for steve b bennon, once you get past the hurdle, once you get past the two votes that they can endure
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and still pass this thing, what we have been expecting is that that would sort of open the flood gates and you would get, in all likelihood, you will get a whole bunch more senator saying no once some people have sort of broken the ice there. so what frank was saying about expecting the moderate senators to sort of all pour out now saying we're all no votes on this as well. i will tell you from perspective of my staff f staand steve's ex which i trust a lot, this that is what a lot of people 0 expecting. this year we've learned to expect the unexpected. we tend to look at news from congress as to what happens there is driven by forces that are prurly inside washington, d.c. you're covering stuff in washington and so you look around in washington to see what explains what just happened. i continue to believe, though, that if you really want to understand why republicans are failing again to pass their health bill, right, why
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republicans with republican control of the house, republican control of the senate and a republican in the white house who would likely sign anything labeled health care, why these folks cannot pass the one thing they all agreed on and campaigned on, repealing obamacare, why can't they do it? i don't think it can be explained in washington. i think in order to understand that you might also look around at what is happening right where you live. for example, take the ninth district in virginia, represented by this guy, congressman morgan griffith. a republican congress from virginia. he voted to repeal obamacare. his constituents say if the republican bill becomes low law, 62,000 people in his trikt will lose their health insurance. to help drive that point home, they made him a visual aid. this weekend the constituents spent their sunday stapling
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62,000 pieces of paper in a paper chain. every link represents an individual person in that district who would lose all health insurance under the republican health care plan to repeal obamacare. 62,000. they pieced out together, laid it out flat across a football field. the whole thing clocked in around 3 miles long. then they stuffed all 15,000-plus feet of it into crash bags and delivered this chain to their congressman, morgan griffith. grass roots efforts did not take the weekend off, leading into this dramatic develops tonight. tucson, arizona, you know how hot it is in mid july, protesters braved brutal heat outside senator john mccain's office. few people brought umbrellas with them to stay cool.
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over in north carolina, patrick mchenry's constituents prusedsp up his sign with tombstones reminding him of people who could die because of the bill. here in california a good size group of people turned up to talk to paul cook. when they founld out the office was closed, they stood downstairs chanting, "we'll be back." . when the senate got to work today in washington, d.c., they would barely make it through the door. protests started in the senate atrium in washington, d.c. people chanting their stories about how obamacare helped save their lives. capitol police gave their first warning to clear the area. protesters sat down on the ground. police started rounding them up, folded up their banners and made
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arrests. some people made it upstairs, 15 activists crowded into the office, wrote him a song to "he's a jolly good fellow" expect they changed the word to "you should vote no on health care." protesters were less jolly here, yelling, "your job is on the line." eventually they were kicked out of that office. they parked themselves on the floor right outside the senator office door. police made more arrests there. include this woman in a wheelchair who kept chanting. more than 30 people were arrested at the capitol today. while they were going on, a group stopped a bunch of senators at their d.c. offices. they call thoechlss the little
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lobbyists. carrying around a binder of kids who have stayed alive because of obamacare. nobody was senator elher's staff were able to meet with them but think did give the kids ice cream. which was awesome. after enduring this face-to-face pressure, this kind of intense pressure from their constituents for weeks and weeks, both at home, in their home states and home districts and also at their offices in washington, d.c., the flood gates really did open tonight. they had two no votes before tonight. that's all they could spare. now we're up to four. four members of the senate who shay they're firmly against the bill. that means that mitch mcconnell is not going to pass this thing. not unless he changes two of their minds and doesn't lose anybody else. so what happens now really is anyone's guess. this is really big news tonight. but i got to tell you one
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constant throughout this entire process from the very start has been how the majority of this country really strongly does not want the republicans to do this. and these protests have been relentless. they're still planned, more are still planned at the capital and all over the country throughout this week. but they've had a huge victory tonight. joining us tonight is ezra eleven, a cofound are of indivisible, helping folks to organize all across the country. they've taken point in as best they can when it comes to the health care bill. mr. levin, appreciate you taking the call. >> thanks for calling me. >> pardon me take on why this is big news toe night and where i think this comes from. as somebody who has been really involved as these indivisible groups across the country have mobilized so aggressively on this. are you seeing this tonight as a
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victory? are you cautious in viewing what's happening here? do you think you've won? >> so this is absolutely a win. i think the way you framed it was absolutely right. change is coming to washington. it is not starting in washington. we are, as of thursday, six months into the trump presidency. there's a unified conservative government the likes of which we have not seen in over a decade and yet they have yet to pass a single significant piece of legislation. that he's not because they don't have control of the government. they do. it's because the people are against the agenda they're pushing. it is amazing to see. tonight is a big win. its not a final victory but it is a huge one win and one that groups across the country have been working towards and will continue to work towards. really all across the country. that's inspiring to see, people standing up on their home turf making their voices heard. >> that is the core behind the
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indivisible movement. wherever you live you should be contacting your own officials. that's why there have been so many calls across the country for town halls and me other meeting, any other forum where representatives have to look their own constituents in the eye. given that has been your focus on the indivisible side of things, what do you make about the direct action tactics that we're showing on the screen here, people doing sit-ins, people protesting, getting arrested. how does that integrate with the kind of work that indivisible has been doing? >> i have a huge amount of respect for the groups on the ground. they've been indivisible members, planned parenthood and move on and others. this is a direct part of this strategy, which is shining a light on exactly what congress is doing. i think one of the interesting things we've seen over the last
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several months is republicans aren't holding town halls. they're not facing their constituents. very few are. what we're seeing in response to that is if you're not going to come to me, i'm going to come to you. they're going to the district offices and other public events and it's working. senator moran ought to get a lot of credit. he was within of a couple of republican senators who held a town hall over the july 4th recess. held it in a very tiny town in kansas with population 277. 150 people showed up at that town hall, including kansas city indivisible and others who made the trek out there to talk to their senator. that works. showing up and doing sit-ins works. it's about putting pressure on. hey we're watching you. i love seeing that. >> ezra levin, thanks for talking to us tonight. it's a big busy night with the
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breaking news. >> tomorrow is a big busy day, a national day of action. keep this pressure on and we'll kill this bill. >> magain the republican effort to repeal obamacare appears to have fallen apart. as you heard ezra levin say, a cofounder of a group nationwide organizing efforts that's really been trying to stop the republican effort to repeal obamacare. you heard him say this is not over. kraushsly optimistic. but four republican senators saying they'll vote no is enough to kill it. i for one was not expecting this development tonight. we'll talk the one of the democratic senators on the democrat side of the bill to get his perspective on how final this victory is. senator chris murphy from connecticut is going to join us
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the republicans road to repealing health reform, to repealing the affordable care act appears to have hit another set of pothole to night in the form of republican senators. just in the last couple of hours we've gone from two republicans against the bill, which is the maximum number of no votes they can get and still pass this thing to now as of tonight four no votes which means it fails and the affordable care act stays. susan collins, lee, moran, they're all saying they're voting no. that's twice as many no votes than the republican consist
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afford. they can't pass their bill like that. that said, very few people don't expect them to quit trying. senator chris murphy here tonight. thanks for being here. we're trying to figure out i guess whether this is a normal pothole or an axle breaker. how big of a deal are the defections tonight? >> there's a couple of wheels off tf bus tonight but this is a bus full of republicans ultimately determined to deliver this bill. they are not going to give up on it. but the statements tonight, paired with those from susan collins and rand paul, they feel a little different. susan collins says it's time to sit count and work with democrats. jerry moran's statement tonight criticizes the behind closed doors process and says it's time to start over.
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you have the feeling this is beyond a couple of small fixes. it proves that reports of democracy's death was overexaggerated. it no matter how long you have been promising it. i think they're going back to the drawing board at this point but they're going back to the drawing board. they're not giving up. >> it's hard to remake a fifth of the american economy with a bill on what you hold no public hearings and that there's really no public debate in the senate about it. i wonder, when you talk about them going back to the drawing board, do you look at the types of criticism that have been laid out by the senators who now say they're no votes. do you think there's a chance that mitch mcconnell might go back and start and do this in a normal wray where there's haerks, a publicly viewable process an an actual debate? >> it would be a fairly sizable
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admission of guilt if he did that and opened up a process after he swore he didn't need it. but the public hearing process is not just for show. it actually is a means to get real feedback from professionals and experts. and i think part of the hesitancy of a lot of republicans, and i put jerry moran in the category to support this bill, this wasn't just a moral monstrosity, it was an int intellectual train wreck. it may be the only way for them to have an open process in which they solicit feedback of people who know what they're doing. that being said, mcconnell would have toed a mitt that the way he did this was wrong and i think that will be a tough thing for him to do. i hope they do that but i would expect that they would go back behind closed doors. >> i've asked you this before and i think i know the answer to it is going to be the same as
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the answer you gave me before. given the fact that they cannot seem to get this thing passed, at least not yet with votes from members of their own party, has there now been any effort by mitch mcconnell, by the republican leadership, by any of your colleague to get any democratic votes? have they changed their mind on that or are they still trying to do it purely with republicans. >> what a political gift this would be for the democrats if they continue to do this in a way that secured only republican votes. there's only political upside the democrats. but we're actually sincere in saying that we hope that they come and talk to us. they've got to jetson the tax cuts and gutting of medicaid, we will talk to them about their concerns of flexibility if they will give us some long term guarantee that these exchanges will be solvent and strong. and wouldn't it be great for health care to stop being a political football that gets tossed from one side to the
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other every five or ten years. i don't know that mitch mcconnell thinks we're sincere, but we are. the answer is no, they haven't reached out to us but it would be to their political benefit and to the country's policy benefit if they actually took us up on the offer. >> thank you for helping us through this tonight, sir. really appreciate it. >> thanks. >> we're continuing to follow the breaking news tonight. the latest effort, the only effort on the table right now to try to repeal obamacare, the republican bill in the senate as of right now is dead. they could lose two votes. as of the last hour or two they're down to four no votes. this is a story that started breaking in the states, that started break in all of those congressional district offices and senate offices out in the sticks and all of those places across the country but today it came home to washington and this bill right now is dead, at least for now. much more ahead tonight. stay with us.
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bank in chicago run by a member of president trump's economic advisory panel. the subpoena is reportedly seeking information on some gigantic multimillion dollar loans that the tiny bank gave to paul manafort in november, the month of the election and in january, the month of the inauguration. and i say these loans are guyian ti dpsh gigantic. apparently what looked nutty to investigators about the loan is the $16 million that the bank gave to paul manafort, that $16 million was almost one quarter of the bank's equity capital. i don't speak banker either. but that means that the bank had x amount of money it could loan out in total in the world. and these loans that they gave to paul manafort was them
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loaning him one out of every four dollars they could loan to anybody in the world. this one bank bebt over so far to give him money. one out of every four dollars that they were able to loan they loaned to paul manafort all at once when the campaign was -- we really don't know what was going on there. but the journal does raise one interesting prospect in a new report they posted tonight. quoting from the journal tonight. the bank's loans to mr. manafort equaled almost 24% of the bank's reported $67 million of capital. from the time the loans were issued, mr. calling, had expressed interest in becoming mr. trump's secretary of the ar army. he's giving these gigantic loans that his bank cannot afford. steve calq is the head of the
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little bank in shi. he did not become secretary of the army. was there any connection between him wanting to be army secretary and giving those seemingly inexplicable giant loans? no idea. but the journal is raising those two points together tonight and reporting that the d.a.'s office in manhattan has subpoenaed this bank in chicago for information on those loans. and you have not heard this story before. it rhymes with a lot of the other stories that we've heard about paul manafort. in mid june we learned that the fbi was looking into mon that fort's real estate deals in southern southern. in april we learned that a federal grand jury subpoenaed paul manafort's bank records. in march, richard engel reported that the attorney general of the nation of cypress had been asked to hand over information about paul manafort's offshore banking
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activities. and tonight, new york prosecutors from the d.a.'s office subpoenaing this bank in chicago, run by a campaign adviser th adviser. and that's all just the law enforcement stuff. we also learned last week in the "the new york times," almost in a passing reference, their big story on the trump tower meeting with donald trump jr. and paul manafort and jared kushner and all of those russians, the par ren thet kl reference, paul manafort had disr discussed that meeting with congressional investigators. which means in addition to him handling all of these subpoenas, paul manafort has also apparently been discussing things with congressional investigators. i didn't know he was talking to them. there was a period of a couple
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of months he said he would register as a foreign agent and the time when he finally did. that meant it was months after a lot of people had aseemed he had done it when paul manafort finally filed as a foreign agent and declared over a two-year period he had been paid $17 million by a political party in ukraine. those numbers may be starting to look a little hinky as well. anne cramer at the "the new york times" said even though paul manafort said he and his firm were paid nearly $17 million from this political party in ukraine, he found that that political party in ukraine which supposedly paid them, they said they didn't spend $17 million on anything. they didn't spend $17 million in total over that same period, not just on him but on everything they spent money on combined. in 2012 manafort says this ukrainian political party paid
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him. that same year this ukrainian political party said it only spent $11 million on everything it spent money on. the following year it was worse. manafort said he received $4.5 million from that party but the political party says it didn't spend $4 million in total on everything it spent on that year. it's like, you know, showing up and -- yeah, my lemonade stand paid for it. if he didn't get the $17 million from that political party and the records say he didn't, then where did he get the $17 million from? i don't know and neither do you. but you know what? there's another thing here that really, really, really does not make sense. and it doesn't make sense in washington and that's next. stay with us. at panera, a salad is so much more than one thing.
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professionally operated a launch law firm is. even with robert mueller quits wilburheal, there were concerns related to jared kushner in the russian affair. jared kushner's lawyer also worked for that same law firm. robert mueller quit that firm to take to job but you may see how the firm might worry that one of its expartners is leading the investigation into russia and another one of the partners is representing one of the dudes right in the middle of the russia scandal. that worry about the same law firm having that connection to both sides of the case, that was the explanation that we got from jared kushner's lawyer last week as to why she was dropping out of representing him on russian matters. once robert mueller left to form the special counsel's office, we
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advised jared kushner to get legal advice as to whether to continue with us. she had to drop out because she worked at bob mueller's old law firm. well you know what? paul manafort's russia law firm works at wilburheal, the same law firm. which is fine. he's otherwise a totally normal choice for somebody to represent paul manafort in the russia investigation he's up to his neck in. expect w except why did jared kushner lose his russia lawyer but bpau manafort gets to keep his russia lawyer. how can there be a conflict or one of them and not for the other. and while we're on the subject. there's something even weirder going on with the lawyer hired to represent donald trump's eldest son. the president announced the
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formation of his reelection campaign on the day he was inaugurated. that campaign has just released its first sec filing. we've learned a couple of things that don't make sense. first of all, if there's one thing that you think the members of the trump family could afford paying for themselves, it would be their lawyers, right? it's kind of a personal thing. i mean the whole family's public persona is about how fabulously wealthy and independent they are. donald trump jr. is not paying for his own lawyer in the russia lawyer. his russian lawyer is being paid for by people all across america who send campaign donation to president trump. why is he getting a lawyer paid for by campaign? the lawyer himself a week ago today explained to new york law journal why he had been hired to represent the president east eldest son.
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quote, trump jr. hired an attorney but congressional committee members are interested in speaking with him, quote, so you get a lawyer, he said. that was the explanation, that was monday, july 10th, a week ago today. the first day that any member of congress ever said publicly that they wanted to speak to donald trump jr., it was the previous day. july 9th, a bunch of members from the investigating committees said they wanted to talk to donald trump jr. we know that they didn't also reach out to him in private because the lawyer has said on the record that donald trump jr. has never been privately contacted by any of the committees. so him having to appear before these committees or members of the congress being interested in talking to him, that's the purported explanation as to why donald jr. is getting a lawyer being paid for by the campaign. as of july 9th and 10th, members of the congressional committees
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were saying they wanted him to come testify. that's a fine explanation. that makes total sense. except with the sec filings that came out shows that donald trump jr.'s lawyer was actually hired in june, when no one from any congressional committee was talking at all about wanting to interview donald trump jr. so the explanation they've given doesn't make sense. something weird is going on with paul manafort's representation, with jared kushner's representation and also with donald trump jr.'s representation. something doesn't make sense about the public explanation about all of those legal teams. and i'm not sure who will ever be expected to tell the truth about these things. but the on the record explanations so far do not pass muster. and this is driving me nuts. we're going to figure this thing out. i'm telling you. this should be easy to figure out. we are going to figure this out. watch this space.
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it's called the magnitsky act. magnitsky. it's u.s. sanctions on russia. magnitsky act. >> the discussions involve the majensky act. what was discussed ending up being more about the majensky. the same lawyer that has the russia affiliation was down -- majensky act. >> there's no majensky act. there are a lot of hard russian words and names in this scandal.
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magnitsky is not one of the hard ones. >> the majinsky act. >> no, there is no majinsky act. this is the high-profile lawyer working for the president on his russia legal team. he's the one who was brought on board because he's supposed to be the excellent tv communicator. >> and now he's being investigated by the department of justice. so he's being investigated for taking the action that the attorney general -- deputy attorney general recommended him to take. >> first of all, you've now said he is being investigated after saying -- >> no. >> you just said that he's being investigated. >> no. chris, i said that the -- let me be crystal clear so you completely understand. we have not received, nor are we aware of any investigation of the president of the united states. >> sir, you just said two times that he's being investigated. >> jay sekulow is the lawyer who was brought on to the president's legal team because of his excellent tv communication skills. here he was this weekend.
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>> do you accept what we heard from the president's pick to run the fbi that what should have happened there if, you know, a situation where you have representatives of a foreign government offering assistance in an election, that what should have happened is the fbi should have been notified? >> well, i've wondered why the secret service, if this was nefarious, why did the secret service allow these people in. >> the secret service doesn't comment on stuff like this, but after that guy went on tv and said that, they had to put out a statement saying, that's not how it works. donald trump jr. was not a protectee of the united states secret service in june 2016. thus, we would not have screened anyone he was meeting with at that time. the duh is silent. so the president has assembled a small team of lawyers to represent him in the most serious scandal afflicting any president in modern history. this guy, majinsky, sekulow,
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he's one of the president's lawyers. apparently the president is keeping him. it has also been reported but not confirmed that the new lawyer that the president has brought on now to take over the russia defense will mean the demotion of his other lawyer who used to be in charge of his russia defense. i should tell you the new lawyer who the president is reportedly bringing on board will apparently be a member of the white house staff, which means that for him at least, you and i will be paying for his salary. other than him, though, it was reported last week that the president might be trying to make the republican party, the republican national committee, pay the expenses associate thd h his other lawyers. the rnc committee chair responded that she's not sure that would be legal. but for all the pieces of this that don't yet make sense, that we haven't yet tracked down and explained. i will tell you one piece is crystal clear. now we know why there was such urgency to start raising money for the president's re-election
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campaign the day he was inaugurated. because they are paying a lot of their legal fees out of campaign funds for the president's family, for who knows how much of the campaign. that is how they are paying for at least some of their lawyers. so when you see somebody in a "make america great again" hat, which you paid the campaign to get, you know what that hat means? that hat means billable hours. billable hours being covered by that person in that hat whether or not they knew it when they bought it.
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tonight, unexpectedly the republican effort to kill obamacare, to repeal the affordable care act, appears to have died, or at least it is stalled in the middle of the intersection where it doesn't seem safe. the republicans lost two more votes for that bill, which means they're down to at least four no votes. they can only afford two no votes to still get the thing passed. senator jerry moran saying we must now start fresh with an open legislative process. since the statement from moran, more senators may now be peeling off. senator lindsey graham saying tonight, quote, it's time for a new approach. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. our continuing coverage now on "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. this is of course huge news as you made very clear at 9:00 p.m. tonight. and for me, it's one of those moments where i think, oh,