that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. katy tur picks things up from here. >> we'll hear from the white house and senate leadership, and they have a lot of explaining to do. the gop repeal and replace bill has flat lined. what was mitch mcconnell hoping to do? now a straight repeal. that effort is also doa. murkowski joining other members and saying no to repeal only. our word of the day is fail, or

some version there of. >> i regret the effort to repeal and immediately replace the failures of obama care will be unsuccessful. that should not mean we should give up. >> the definition of insanity is to do again what has failed sefrlt times before. >> you have to be able to resolve all these issues. >> it's not good news for the country, we have to move to the next steps. >> now that one party effort has largely failed. we hope they will change their tune. >> inaction is not an option. congress needs to step up. congress needs to do their job and congress needs to do their job now. >> take a look at this, when the drudge report calls this congress the most unproductive in 164 years, republicans know they are in trouble. as for president trump.

he's oozing our word of the day too, except it's about his new plan of action. >> i think we're probably in that position we'll just let obama care fail. we're not going to own it, i'm going to tell you i'm not going to own it, the republicans are not going to own it. we'll let it fail, and then democrats will come to us and say, how do we fix it? how do we fix it? >> sarah huckabee sanders will have to explain why the white house was kept in the dark. why the gop controlled government can't get anything major done, and why the president thinks letting obama care fail is a good idea. if you were hoping to see it on camera, don't hold your breath. the briefing is audio only again. in case you're wondering, the last on camera white house briefing was june 29th. there is a lot to debrief today with our team of reporters. kristen welker is at the white

house. i want to start with you two. repeal and replace has failed. repeal alone seems to have failed as well. what is mitch mcconnell's next step? >> we'll hear from mitch mcconnell himself in the next hour, we may get more direction on that. most likely i think we will see the failure of repeal and then replace played out on the senate floor at some point. it seems likely the majority leader would want to have some kind of vote to have those three no votes that we know exist so far, and who knows how many more are out there be recorded officially. if he wants to turn the page and move on. there's going to have to be a hard vote on this. what comes after that is the more interesting question. do republicans go back into their silos and continue to work on health care themselves. or do they do what lisa murkowski said to me to work on replace and then repeal and come up with something all together. this was from our conversation a few minutes ago.

>> the motion on this repeal and replace? >> i'm not there. >> not there? >> no. >> you would vote against the motion to proceed? >> i said in january, we should not repeal without a replacement and just an indefinite hold on this just creates more chaos and confusion. >> thanks, senator. >> important to remember, it's not as if these moderate republican senators are all of a sudden in love with obama care and think it's a great law. but they don't want to act, and they don't even want to give this two-year runway that was discussed over the last 12 hours or so, an opportunity to take it, unless there's something better they can put in place. >> the president answered a couple more questions from reporters earlier today. let's take a listen to more of his comments on health care. >> we are 52 people, we had four nos. we may have had another one in there, essentially the vote would have been pretty close

to -- if you look at it, 48-4. that's a pretty impressive vote by any standard, and yet you have a vote of 48-4 or something like that, and you need more. that's pretty tough. the way i look at it is, in '18, we're going to have to get some more people elected. >> the republicans control the house, the senate, donald trump is in the white house, he's blaming democrats for not being able to pass that bill, though. >> right, it's striking. when you hear the president speak, it seems like the political calculus is to force democrats to the table ultimately, to say that obama care is failing or to try to replace obama care and try to ramp up the political pressure and say that democrats will bear some responsibility if in fact they can't replace it, that is a tough argument to make because as you point out, katy, republicans are the ones in charge right now. republicans have campaigned on a

plan to repeal and replace over the past seven years. this is a major set back for this president, for this administration we're going to get to ask sarah huckabee sanders about all of this. i think the big question becomes moving forward. what can the president get done. how much of his domestic agenda can he achieve, given that the administration stumbled on this key point. and you bring up tax reform. look, they were counting on repealing some of the taxes from obama care to get a big tax reform package passed. are they shifting that strategy as well? what about infrastructure. those are the things in peril now, given the fact that republicans weren't able to move on this, katie? >> let's bring in jake sherman. also joining us from las vegas, editor of the nevada independent. he's an msnbc contributor, jake, i'm going to toss it to you, $32 million people would have lost coverage with a straight repeal,

22 million would lose coverage under that initial senate bill, the latest one has not been scored. what is the republican calculus here, why were they forcing this when so many people would lose coverage and was so unpopular in the polling? >> you can't discount the fact that they got a majority in 2010 in the house, kept it until now, got a majority in the senate and the presidency on this one single political issue basically. there are other things thrown into the mix. it's important to point out yes, there are three people, three senators who have come out against this, there's more like a dozen, a baker's dozen, perhaps, people who are against it, behind the scenes, and don't want to proceed with this. it would be a difficult vote, they would say it's a difficult vote for many of them.

as you look forward to things like tax reform, and infrastructure, you can't get out of that maze, those are difficult things, there's a budget in the budget committee today in the house. and that is a precursor to tax reform. that's going to have a tough time getting through the house and getting through the senate, it's a long road to get a lot of these things done for donald trump's agenda. >> is this the last rewind we're going to see? or are we going to have republicans come back to the table with something gurg this next two-week recess, or the delayed recess. >> and secondly, is the delayed recess still happening? >> you know, that's -- people start smelling jet fumes and want to get home, you hear a growing number of senators saying, listen, we have to bide our time, take it slow to hear things on health care, there's a huge chasm within the senate conference right now, about how to proceed. i think i mentioned this on air, somebody just reminded me of this today. if mitch mcconnell can't get

this done, it probably can't get done in the senate. >> i want to stop you right there, i want to go to john too in a moment, mitch mcconnell is just taking the podium. i'm sorry, that was b roll, i jumped the gun. mif mitch mcconnell, he's the deal mak maker, he knows how to get things done. is he effective without someone like harry reid? >> he is. i think here he has himself in the knot. >> is he effective? this is the most ineffective congress in 164 years. that is the headline on the drudge report now. >> i think if you look back to last congress, he cut a lot of deals. but he cut those deals in the minority, sometimes with the democratic president in the white house, there's an argument to be made at this point that these are new political grounds for mcconnell. i'm curious what john thinks about this, we haven't heard from dean heller from nevada, i cannot -- i'm going to throw this to john.

i cannot understand how he could vote anything but no after all he said, after the position he's put himself in. >> jake teed you up, take it away. >> i think he's right, i don't see how heller could vote anything but no. dean heller, like a lot of these republicans, it was easy to vote, to just repeal obama care at the end of 2015, knowing that it was going nowhere. much more difficult now, especially after he's come out against the cuts in medicaid, stood with brian sandoval, the first republican to expand it, but, you know, heller apparently from what i've been reading is remaining in his undisclosed location. sneaking out side doors, trying to avoid people like jake sherman, so he doesn't have to take a position. >> what does that mean, you have republicans hiding from reporters because they don't want to take a position on a bill, that so many of them ran on. repealing on obama care, replacing it, they control

congress, john. why are they hiding from reporters on this issue that they champion? >> it's embarrassing for them, or at least should be embarrassing for them. we know to be a politician maybe sometimes you are beyond shame, but katie, the bottom line for heller, he has put himself in a terrible position. as i said, he has always talked about repealing obama care, he made that vote in 2015, then it's as if he suddenly had an epiphany a couple months ago, and realized that he was in trouble, the bill was at 28% favorability in nevada, he tethered himself to brian sandoval who has twice the approval rating of dean heller, stood at a press conference and said, i'm not going to kick more than 200,000 of nevadans -- he even accused supporters of the bill about lying about premiums, once you put yourself in that kind of box, after you have actually voted to repeal obama

care, there's nowhere for you to go but out the side door and in one of the senate buildings. >> how hard is it out there today? >> how hot is it in vegas today? >> how hot? it's over 100 degrees, which is why you who i consider an honorary nevadan are afraid to be out here doing your program from here. >> you got that right, unless it's by a pool with a cocktail in my hand. thank you, guys. there are plenty of opinions on health care flying around washington. how do people feel beyond the beltway. before the senate bill was declared dead. hallie jackson spoke to some of the president's supporters in michigan. >> what areas of concern are there for you in that? >> well, i think certainly the health care debate, there's a lot of concern, and maybe a little more work than was anticipated to get that done. but we are all crossing our fingers and hoping he's steadfast in getting health care

reform done. >> if i could say something to the president, i would say stay strong. regular americans like myself are behind you, and we will help you. stay strong and stay the course. >> are you worried he might not when it comes to something like health care? >> absolutely not. >> jim himz a democrat from connecticut. i hear we only have three short minutes with you, i'm hoping to run through these pretty quickly. the idea of something bipartisan happening now, that the senate health care bill has failed, what do you think? >> i think it's important, katy. mitch mcconnell and the president and the leadership of the republicans around here is trying to figure out what to tell their base. they have promised for seven years they will repeal obama care, never a good idea. the affordable care act did a bunch of things for a lot of people. reality smacked them in the face. the only right answer for anybody, whether you support the

president or not. is to fix those things that are having trouble in the affordable care act. i hope we can get there. they're still flailing around, threatening each other. the right thing to do is for us to come together and pass some fixes. >> do dems have their own plan? >> the group i chair, working with some republicans, and across our caucus, proposed five or six things that we know we need to do around the individual markets and that we think we could do on a bipartisan basis. >> i want to get your take on russia really fast, is the intel committee, have you guys been given the all clear from robert mueller to interview don junior and paul manafort. i ask, because senator feinstein says the senate judiciary committee did get that all clear? >> it's a constantly moving thing, with the breaking news last week of don junior saying yes, i did have this meeting, the agenda is out of the hands of the investigator.

we are working closely with bob mueller to make sure we don't step on each other's investigations, make sure we don't hurt each other. it's our intention on the house side to interview paul manafort and don junior. the scheduling may be subject to negotiating with mueller and the senate. >> what do you hope to get out of them about that meeting? >> we need to understand what came out of that meeting. i love it, we're going to use this stuff late in the summer when it would have more electoral impact. was that it? it's hard to believe it was. you can't believe the white house, they've denied everything all along the path of the development of this story. we need to know whether there was an agreement, whether in was information passed. what they did with it. were crimes committed? >> i know you heard from some campaign adviser. i'm going to keep this quick. michael caputo said this was naivety, they didn't know what they were doing. do you believe him?

>> when you're running for president of the united states, ignorance is not a particularly good excuse, it doesn't work when you hold up a store, when you rob an atm. ignorance of the law is no excuse. >> connecticut congressman jim himz, thank you so much for joining us. i hope we got you out on time. do we have proof that robert mueller is investigating the don junior meeting. and we now know another person in that room. stay with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ type 2 diabetes with fitness,

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>> there have been many ideas for how we get more people in our country insurance. for example, 27 million people don't have insurance right now under obama care. the estimates are, 50% of those 27 million don't get it because it's too expensive. it's too expensive because of the obama care regulations. the death spiral of obama care is, regulations make it expensive. then you say, you can get it after you're sick. that's the problem we have. the adverse selection and the death spiral. that's what we need to fix. we don't have enough votes to repeal all that, we have to move forward, and i'm in favor of moving forward with partial repeal and trying to work with the rest of the bad elements of obama care that have driven prices out. >> no, i'm for a vote that succeeds. and i think those republicans that promise to repeal obama care ought to vote the same way

they voted in 2015. if you aren't willing to vote the same way, you need to go back home and explain to republicans why you're no longer for repealing obama care. >> rand paul who was for a straight repeal of obama care, that's what he's always been for, part of the reason why he said no to the initial senate health care plan, it wasn't enough of a repeal for him. he's now calling on all of his republican colleagues who did vote for repeal back when obama was president. i believe it was 48 of them, to come out and vote the same way they did back then. it essentially would be hypocritical if they did not, unless they were able to explain that. joining me now, matt welsh and megan murphy. let's talk about this for a moment. you just heard rand paul, what do you think of him coming out and saying, you guys -- you guys all voted to repeal this thing before, why change your mind

now. >> we already know it's not going to happen. we saw some say they're not going to move for a straight repeal. the political climate is incredibly different. they have a president now who's going to sign that into law. and we have an obama care system that's grown exceedingly popular as we have gone along. we are getting people who have affordable health care, who realize how much medicare reaches into every stage of life. they've gone to their constituents, listened to their constituents. it's the constituents who have driven the resistance to this bill. >> repealing obama care or leaving it in place, which is harder for the republicans come the midterms? >> right now, i mean, what's hard is what they have in their own hands. they're trying to disown the thing they now own. you saw with president trump's tweets, i don't own it. he ran on the guy who had special expertise to pass this

thing, he of all people knew how to do it. if you're going to run on that theory, you can't suddenly abdicate responsibility. they have a mess on their hand. >> more republicans and democrats are coming out to talk about this. breaking news first reported by the washington post and confirmed by nbc news, there was another person in that don junior meeting in 2016, his name is ike cavalanze. he's an associate of the russian ologards who were offering the dirt on hillary clinton. you'll remember he hosted trump's miss universe pageant in 2013. the new identity is not the most interesting detail we learned today. the washington post first uncovered the news when an attorney for the family called robert mueller to find out who else was there, robert mueller's team i should say. if it is true.

that is a confirmation that the special council is looking into that meeting. and that is still not all. russian lawyer natalia visalniskiev is under scrutiny for weakening sanctions on russia. what do those close to the president think? chris christie both a friend and adviser to mr. trump says the meeting could be criminal. >> inappropriate to get opposition research from a foreign government? >> yeah, i think it would be. >> i think it would be. i don't think there's any evidence that they did. but i do think it would be. and i think it's probably against the law, in addition to being inappropriate. >> joining me is roslin helderman. and megan murphy, an editor of

bloomberg business week. welcome back. let's start with this breaking news. what can you tell us about this new person we're learning about. >> i think we both are going to struggle a little bit with the pronunciation. >> he was born in the soviet republic of georgia, he moved to the united states in 1991, he was in california where he is a representative as you said of business in the u.s. some additional breaking news we're putting out right now. he was the subject of a congressional report in the year 2000, all about how easy it is for russians and other foreigners to use u.s. banks to launder money. they did a whole investigation about how this man had opened 236 bank account the on behalf of delaware shell companies that

he had incorporated on behalf of russian brokers. he has a little bit of an interesting past, his attorney notes he was never charged with a crime in that case. and says he did nothing wrong there. >> rosalind connect the dots if you can. >> i think we're trying to figure out what it means. he's a man that has familiarity with the way russians move money around in the world. and that is something that the russian ologargs have been active in in recent years. investing in real estate in new york, florida, and have been doing that in some ways through trump property. what precisely that means we don't know. what we know today, there was another man with an interesting back story in that room, and we're only learning about it

today, days after donald trump junior's team said he had been transparent about this. >> good point, we don't know exactly what happened in that meeting. a lot of this is people trying to figure it out. piecemeal as is so often the case with stories like this. matt, how does this make it look. >> the more people that we know attended that meeting, the better chance we're going to find out what happened. we're not just going to have to take the words for it from the original people whose story has been evolving over time. seeing that mueller is involved with this investigation, which makes before sense and is not surprising in anyway. some of those people are going to be interviewed under oath. and we'll start to get a real word of what comes out. this guy who works for the same real estate company was invited in to be there. the second translator. there's two translators at a meeting of eight people, which seems like a lot of translators. >> you have to wonder if they took notes. don't translators normally take

written notes? >> we heard chris christie a moment ago, he's a fierce defender of donald trump, he's also somebody who knows the law. for him to say potentially there could be legal consequences here, if something was exchanged. that seems like a pretty big deal to me. >> chris christie's been a bit off the hook recently and not afraid to make his feelings known. obviously the beach photos of him haven't helped. we have not independently verified what rosalind reported with the russians moving money around the world. if that is indeed true, it's a whole other level of information about this meeting. we don't want to distract from the original problem with the meeting, which is that don junior knew it was russians who were supporting his father when he took it. but the more information that comes out about these people and their backgrounds, it's hard to believe this was about adoption, which we can't forget was the

original examination. >> and which is what sean spicer said it was about yesterday despite the fact that don junior released those e-mails. >> don junior knew a year ago, the russians were trying to help his father. we know from our intelligence communities that russia did in fact try very hard to help his father by hacking into our election systems. is that not enough for republicans to say, yeah, this is -- this is not okay? >> well, i don't think anyone thinks it was -- it is okay, i think that number of people is dwindling, the bigger issue with the russia story is, it frustrates the president to such an extent, and this is why it explains so much of his pattern behavior on health care, he's so trapped by the story, it's so personally animates his decisions, his thinking, the way he attacks the media, the way he attacks our system of governing, and that is the bigger issue with it, this is a clown car of a meeting, god knows who's going

to emerge next. it becomes more troubling and serious and grave by the day, but for the president, it dominates his thinking. >> it's the news story that keeps on giving. guys, thank you very much for joining us. rosalind thank you for breaking that news. we have lindsey graham talking live about health care, let's go straight to him and see what he has to say. >> i'm trying to offer an alternative to the public. obama care is collapsing. we do owe an alternative to the country at large. my alternative to me makes sense to me, if nobody else. take all the money and power you're going to spend in health care, and send it back closer to the patient. the motion to proceed thursday

is on which bill? which version of this bill? >> i think it's b, but don't hold me to that. >> i know you guys have a ton of respect for mitch mcconnell and how he does things, is it it frustrating to you that we're 7 months in and we have had a couple votes get to the brink and fail? >> no matter how smart you are, you have a hard time with politics back home. when you go back home, if your governor's agnostic or hostile to the bill, it doesn't matter what mitch says, you have sandoval saying, i don't like this bill. he had several governors who are not really on board, so his problem and all of our problem is that the solution doesn't have a lot of support. now, what if you flipped it it around and said, we're going to be generous with money and spend money at the state level, not the federal level. i think you would have more governor support and more rank

and file support, some democrats could support the idea of giving money to their states. >> would you like to see more from the president on this? >> you know, i -- i'd like to see a bill that people actually liked. i got to go. >> thank you. >> getting the senator to laugh, that's why we love garrett hague, that's why we love having him on capitol hill. plan a didn't have enough support from republicans. neither did plan c. doesn't look like it's going anywhere either. mitch mcconnell planned to repeal much of the law and give them two years to replace it. they will vote against proceeding with that debate on the plan. a congressional office report from january says a repeal bill similar to the one passed by congress in 2015, but vetoed by

president obama could cause 32 million americans to lose their insurance by 2026. and premiums on individual insurance policies could nearly double by then. earlier, president trump urged republicans to let obama care fail, and that the democrats will come to them. house minority whip steny hoyer talked about that with my colleague chris jansing moments ago. >> sit down at the table with us, and come to the table. they don't have the votes, so what we need to do does come together in a bipartisan way to make sure that the americans have what the president told them he was going to get them. and the bills he supported have done nothing of the sort he said, he said he was going to have everybody have insurance. it was going to be cheaper and it was going to be higher quality. the cbo says none of the bills the president supported will do that.

>> sorry to interrupt steny hoyer, we're going to mitch mcconnell who's taking questions from reporters. >> repealing obama care, the same vote we had in 2015, i'll remind everyone that in that proposal, there's a two-year delay. a two-year delay which would give us the opportunity to work out a complete replacement on a bipartisan basis, with our democratic friends. that's a vote i think we're very likely to have in the near future. >>. >> we got a sense of what the future might look like, we were unsuccessful in repealing and replacing obama care, we saw for the second time in a few days, democratic senators coming to the floor asking for tens of billions of dollars in tax dollars for insurance company bailouts. no reform, no change in the status quo, and after seven

years, i think we can safely conclude that the structure of obama care is a failed experiment. that's why we want to change the structure of the health care delivery system as we stabilize markets, protect people from premium increases and pre-existing condition exclusions. we're going to continue down that road, because the alternative, i fear is going to be a democratic effort strictly to bail out insurance companies with no reform whatsoever. >> after 7 years of obama care, the american public knows what they have, they have fewer choices, higher premiums and less control over their own health care. a number of years ago, i voted to do a repeal of the obama health care law, i am ready to make that complete repeal vote again. that's not enough, the people of wyoming want more than that. they want to be able to buy the insurance they want that works right for them. not what the federal government

washington, d.c., says they have to buy. i'm ready to vote to repeal, we need a medical system not just as good as it was before obama care was passed, but we need a medical system and health care system in this country even better than that. >> i think the only thing i could add to this discussion, at some point we need to find out where the votes are, this is important work to be done. it affects families, it affects health care, we need to find out where the votes are, there's other things we need to do too. the president is talking about manufacturing made in america, if you could pay the utility bill, the transportation system works, those are the two boxes you check when you start talking about jobs. we all know the best place to get insurance is at work, where someone else reads the policy, does the negotiation. ways that more people could get insurance at work is important. this has had a considerable

amount of time spent on it, and sooner rather than later we need to find out where the senate is and move forward. >> there are a lot of people out there today who seem to be spiking the football. trying to celebrate a moment that for now seems to leave the affordable care act in place for today. let me tell you what happens, if you continue to spike the football. in the state of colorado last week, it was announced that the average premium rate increased for the next year will be 27%. that's if you're lucky enough to live in the front range of colorado. if you live in the eastern plains and weather slope, you're going to pay 30% more, 40% more. that's spiking the football on the american people who will continue to pay more under the affordable care act that is collapsing. we will continue our work to get our job done to make sure that the status quo no longer stands and in stead we provide relief to the american people.

[ inaudible ] >> do you feel that you and your leadership has been damaged in this process, and now you can consider the criticism? >> well, this has been a very challenging experience for all of us. it's pretty obvious that we don't have 50 members who can agree on a replacement. a lot of people have been involved in the discussion, very passionate discussions, but everybody's giving it their best shot. and as of today, we just simply do not have 50 senators who can agree on what ought to replace the existing law. what we do have is a vote that many of us made two years ago, at a time when the president of the united states would not sign the legislation that would

repeal obama care and with a two-year delay, give us an opportunity to build something better on a bipartisan basis. that's what i sense. most of our members would like to vote on now. and we'll be doing that in the near future. >> you currently have the votes for that. so if that would fail, would you then begin working with democrats? >> i think we'll have to see what happens. we will have demonstrated that republicans by themselves are not prepared at this particular point to do a replacement. and that doesn't mean that problems all go away, and you'll have to look at our committee chairman and their ranking members. my suspicion is there will be hearings about the crisis that we have, and we'll have to see what the way forward is.

>> seven months essentially wasted -- [ inaudible ] >> we have a new supreme court justice. we have 14 repeals of regulations, and we're only six months into a -- last time i looked, congress goes on for two years. we'll be moving on to comprehensive tax reform and infrastructure. there's much work left to be done for the american people and we're ready to tackle it. thank you. >> senate leadership right there trying to i guess spin the failure of the senate health care bill, and now it seems the failure of the repeal, mitch mcconnell saying they're going to have a vote on that, garrett hague who is with us, square

that with senator murkowski, collins all saying they would vote no on repeal. they would vote no on the motion to proceed. >> if they're going to have a vote, they're going to lose. that's the bottom line here, that may be the best thing that senator mcconnell can figure to go forward at this point. is to have a vote and get it recorded where people stand. they're comfortable voting. you put a lot of other people on the fence, they don't necessarily like the process of this two-year repeal and replace down the line, in a real bind. do they vote for something they know is going to fail. do they fall in line to vote for something that might -- that they're basically going to be held responsible for. we're in the russell basement, we've been talking to senators as they're coming back from this lunch, and i'm hearing there's still no consensus among the

more conservative wing about the best way to move forward. some folks want to stay and continue this discussion. other folks are saying, we need to scrap this, come up with new ideas, new plans. >> hard to take away an entitlement once you give that entitlement to folks and let them live with it for six, seven years. garrett thank you very much. we have doug holtz, economic adviser to john mccain's 2008 campaign. and nbc news medical contributor dr. natalie azar. let's start with you. could we put up that graphic we had of the three people who said no to repeal? not quite that one. there you go, look at that, three women. three women saying no to repeal, three women who also said no to the senate bill i believe. and they are three women who were not in the initial discussions on how to craft this health care bill, as we know.

the senators did this behind closed doors, i believe it was 13 men. what was interesting about yesterday was that when the two additional senators in addition to paul and collins came out against voting on the bill. and i thought, oh, maybe there's another one there who's going to be on the moderate side, it was actually, they wanted it to be more severe, they wanted a stricter repeal. that obviously the three women is not lost on anyone who's probably watching this you know, there was a report just today in reuters about maternity care in this country. i think women are more sensitized to thinking about this. i know that sounds really cliche and stereo typical. but if you look at the facts themselves, i think they speak for themselves. you know, we've had 119 rural

hospitals that have closed since 2005. even more so in the last couple years, maternity care is one of the first things to go when hospital's lose money. let's take a listen to chuck schumer right now, talking about what comes next. >> senate republicans won't be able to pass either their bill or a backup plan of repeal without replacement. we democrats believe that the time has finally come for our republican colleagues to take us up on our offer of working together to improve the health care system rather than sabotage it. evidently president trump is proposing a different path. he wants to throw up his hands rather than roll up his sleeves to work with us and solve the problem. let's be very clear about what the president is proposing and

where his path would lead. the president would not be letting obama care collapse. he is actively -- actively trying to undermine the health care system in this country using millions of americans as political pawns in a cynical game. by continuing to deny the insurance markets their certainty that they need to function, the president is playing a dangerous game with the health care of this country. so our republican colleagues here in the senate have a choice to make. they can follow the president down a 357b8g that will lead to higher premiums, less care and millions of americans losing coverage. they can join president trump in trying to sabotage the system and hurt millions of innocent americans to try to make a political point that has failed

already, or they can start today working with democrats. we can work together to lower premiums. we can work together to stabilize the markets. we can work together to improve the quality of health care. this isn't a radical idea. a group of 11 republican and democratic governors called for exactly the kind of bipartisan cooperation that we are calling for. a bipartisan group of governors. we democrats have held the door to bipartisanship open to our republican colleagues for months. it's time for the republicans to walk-through it. senator klobuchar? >> thank you very much senator schumer and thank you so much for the work you've bun. this is our moment. we have been waiting for this moment for months and months. in fact, for years, because all we have ever heard since we started talking about changes we'd like to see to the

affordable care act has been repeal repeal repeal. and now the last few months we are on two versions of the house bill, two versions of the senate bill, and every single time it seems to get worse. we're now in a position where only 17% of the american people approved of the last republican version of the bill. so the latest today we hear about today is repeal again. if they want to have a vote on that, fine. i think we all know where this is going to end up. and this is going to end up where we should have begun. that is working democrats and republicans on positive changes for the american people to the affordable care act. we have never said that it was a perfect bill. in fact the day it passed i said it was a beginning and not an end. >> senator schumer and senator klobuchar still speaking. let's go back to our panel.

doug, so they couldn't get the senate health care bill to pass, the repeal now looks like it's doa. you heard garrett haage a moment ago say what mcconnell's last option is, is to take this vote to the floor and let it fail. what do you say? >> i think he has two options. and he's talked about them pretty clearly. a while back he said, look, if we don't pass this bill, i will be sitting down with chuck schumer to craft the bill, to stabilize the markets which are failing, and you're not going to like what that looks like. he's committed to doing that, he's not going to walk away. >> not going to like what that looks like? >> 1yu69 prior to that, he's going to give them a one time chance to vote to repeal, and we'll see had how that goes. >> how are republican voters not going to like what a compromise would look like with the

democrats? >> i think it's really unlikely you'll see any significant reforms to the affordable care act in that setting. it will be a one year attempt to stabilize those markets with cautionary reduction money, perhaps some other back stops, high cost patients, it won't change the architecture a bit, and that will be unsatisfying to many of the republicans. >> sarah huckabee sanders is holding a briefing right now. she's blaming democrats for the failure of this bill, the same thing the president did, saying if democrats had supported it, it would have gone through. democrats were not for repeal, it was a democratic bill initially. what is the expectation that democrats should have gotten on board with this, after all, it's republicans who didn't vote for this bill, republicans control the house, they control the senate, they control the white house. what do you make of that argument? >> i think it's been clear from

the outset, there would be no democratic support for repeal, republicans knew from january one, this would pass republican votes or would not pass. i don't think there's a lot to that argument. and i think that republicans in general are going to be very uncomfortable or walk away from the kind of messaging that says, we're going to let it melt down. they're not committed to letting this melt down on americans, they wanted to pass a bill to save the affordable care act. it's not working on its own, and something has to be done. the president's message is not one that most people will embrace. >> which says a lot right there. >> let's talk about this idea that obama care is collapsing, failing, it's going to fail. and people need to find a way to bolster it p.m. is that the experience you've had with this -- the current system as its in place right now? >> i can tell you -- speaking a couple days ago, when tom price said we can dust off what we did

before the aca. what happened before the affordable care act, people would go to the doctor, they would be paying a premium every month of 40 to 50 dollars, go to the doctor, and realize they had a terrible plan that would not cover services or rehab, medications. what we've ended up seesing in the last 10 years is more equal opportunity for patients and more distribution for all of these resources across all socioeconomic levels, which certainly makes practicing medicine a lot easier, when you can diagnose something and give them adequate care. what needs to be fixed? >> if you could do it in one minute. >> if that's the holy grail, that can be fixed. i know it sounds really unpopular, the only way it's ever going to work in our system right now, since everything is so expensive is to have

everybody in the pool. >> is that single pair? >> not even -- i mean, single pair is one option, but i think strengthening the mandate for having people -- the healthy people in the pool. specifically pool. ted cruz's suggestion that almost all health experts who analyze that say, you can't do that. you can't segment care. you can't segment coverage like that. where you have some of the healthy people and i know i say it's deeply unpopular, but unless you can get to a point where prescription drug coverage and care in general and imaging studies aren't as expensive as they are if costs remain the way they are, which i'm not saying they should. nothing in the bill that is addressing all those other sky rocketing health care costs. until that happens, you have to get more and more people into the system to equally distribute the cost. >> convincing young people not only it is a great idea to save

for retirement, but a great idea to pay into a system where they're not necessarily going to use that health care until later on. >> one bad luck accident or gallbladder removal can put anybody in the red. >> nobody wants that. natalie azar, nice to see you. douglas, nice to to see you, as well. should son-in-law have access to top secret. a group of senators saying absolutely not. we are continuing to keep an eye on the daily white house press briefing. it's happening right now off camera. we'll bring you the audio just as soon as it is over. time for your business of the week. thanks to this entrepreneur. sarah launched s'well because she wanted a water bottle that was as stylish as the rest of her life. now they have become the

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find your awesome with the xfinity x1 voice remote. three democratic senators have taken the debate over jared kushner and whether or not he should have security clearance to the next level. in a letter to the director of white house management and office administration, senators al franken and mazy suggest that kushner's clearance should be suspended while under review. the senators write such ongoing disclosures raise serious questions about his suitability for continued access to classified information. given mr. kushner's pattern of delay in reporting contacts, we are deeply concerned that he may not have disclosed additional contacts with foreign individuals or had other inappropriate russian contacts. matt is a national security

reporter with "the washington post." his latest piece is about kushner and why he updated his disclosure of foreign contacts more than once. matt, let's start with your article and something you wrote in it. you say under the microscope of mueller's investigation, kushner's mistakes might be viewed as evidence that kushner met with russian officials and then tried to keep anyone from finding out. his representatives contend that the omissions were honest errors that were corrected quickly. so, does robert mueller need to prove that this was a deliberate omission or is the fact that he omitted anything at all enough to raise some serious red flags? >> well, if bob mueller were going to charge jared kushner simply for these mistakes, yes. he would have to prove that jared kushner made them deliberately. that he was sort of trying to hide his contacts with russians. but there are issues here that aren't just legal. i mean, jared kushner, as you mentioned at the outset, is trying to get a permanent security clearance. the fact that he made mistakes

could come into play in that process because what they're looking at is how suitable you are to handle classified information. if you submit this thing, even if you're sloppy about it, that's one thing that could be taken into consideration. >> the democrats want to do this, but republicans on house appropriations have said not once, but twice that it's just not going to happen. how do democrats find a way to push this through if they don't have a lot of republican support for it? >> well, it's tough. and it's tough for an even more sort of high-level reason in that jared kushner's is the president and he can share with whatever information he wants with whoever he wants. the honest answer is i don't really know how democrats will really be able to make hay out of this. now, if bob mueller comes up with something to show that jared kushner made these omissions on purpose, that could be really significant. in terms of democrats pushing the issue of his security

clearance, i mean, donald trump is the ultimate decider. >> donald trump can give security clearance to absolutely anybody he wanted. he could give it to me tomorrow, if i wanted. not that he would want to do that, right? >> he could. yes, he's the president and all this sort of authority of classified information comes from him. if he wanted to give you a security clearance, he could do that. >> matt, appreciate it. sorry we had to your segment but appreciate you coming on. >> any time. a heated debate about clothing and women's rights in saudi arabia. all sparked by this video reportedly showing a woman walking around outside in saudi arabia. notice, she's wearing a skirt and a crop top, which is illegal for women over there. the video upset several people in the conservative muslim kingdom and even caught the attention of saudi officials. according to state-run media and the verified government twitter accounts. now, "washington post" and reuters are now reporting that the woman who they identify as a

saudi has been arrested for wearing "suggestive clothing." nbc news cannot independently identify the woman in that video. that wraps things up for us this hour. i'll see you on mtp daily at 5:00, i'm filling in for chuck, again. he's getting some much-deserved time off. ali velshi picks things up. when are you getting time off, my friend? >> as long as you're doing extra shows, i am, my friend. enjoy a couple hours off why i get ready for the next show. we'll be tuning in. >> after trying again the senate health care bill to repeal and replace obamacare has fallen apart. president trump is not happy about this. senators mike lee and jerry moran has joined susan collins and rand paul in opposing the bill that effectively kills it. here's what the president said about the bill's failure. >> i'm certainly disappointed for seven years i've been hearing repeal and replace from congress and i've been hearing

it loud and strong and then when we finally get a chance to repeal and replace, they don't take advantage of it. so, that's disappointing. so, i'm very -- i would say i'm disappointed in what took place. it will go on and will win. we'll win on taxes and win on infrastructure and lots of other things we're doing. we won and are winning the war on the border where very much decimating isis. you see that, you see that better than anybody sees it. the soldiers that are with us today. we have a lot of victories but we haven't had a victory on health care. we're disappointed. i am very disappointed. >> all right. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is not giving up. today he is going for a new approach. repeal and then replace. even that approach is not looking very likely with moderate senators who are coming out against the motion to proceed on a straight repeal. just moments ago senator mcconnell said the vote is likely to happen soon. >> some time in the near future we'll have a vote