>> can't wait to see you back here tomorrow if. >> really? >> it's going to be great. >> the president of the united states just unleashed on obama care democrats and republican senators that blocked efforts to repeople the aca with no replacement. >> people are hurting and action is not an option. and frankly, i don't think we should leave town unless we have a health insurance plan. >> deputy press secretary sarah huckabee sanders is set to give an off camera press briefing once again. she will be answering questions about health care and our other top story of the day, russia. we now know there was a second meeting between president trump

and president putin. >> we now learned of a second, previously undisclosed one on one meeting between president trump and russian president vladimir putin. >> wouldn't you have liked to have been a fly on the wall for a meeting that no one nknew about. >> who knows what happened? >> last week we laerd we're going to hear everything now, but as john mccain said, i guess there are more shoes to drop off of this centipede. >> we don't know what he promised or pledged. >> the sect encounter was first reported by ian bremer who says he spoke to two people in the room. >> putin didn't come to him, he got up, he went around the

table, and he sits down next to putin and they're yucking it up. many leaders in that room, including america's most important allies were very surprised. >> the white house said it was just a brief conversation and there was no effort to hide it while the president himself chastised reporters on twitter calling reports about it "sick." >> that is not the only undisclosed meeting, every passing day we're learning about a new person in the don junior trump tower meeting. we have our team of reporters and analysts with us starting with hallie jackson. i know you have to sit down toon for this briefing, let's start with health care. donald trump had a luncheon with republican senators and right next to him, nevada senator dean

heller. >> and it is interesting, he did not come out against the motion to proceed in the first place, but it was a little joke, he looked a little surprised, but the president talking about the need to repeal and replace the affordable care act, and to stay in town until they get it done. this harkens back to what we have heard for several weeks now. it is significant to note that the president started with repeal and replace. then to repeal now replace later. and that shifted to let obama care fail, and now we're back to repeal and replace. we're interested in seeing the

reactions from some of them. they are looking into some of the issues related to russia. we are expected to be leaving any minute here. we're going to see what the president thought about his messaging to them. potentially stay a little longer, but that looked dead in the water. so -- >> how is that pressure going to work? >> we'll have to see, it has not yet, this is really notable. he has not been on the road for months to try to sell this thing. he has not held the news conferences like president obama did when he tried to sell it. it may be too little too late at this point, but it is interesting to watch the

president dive into some of the policy points here. >> let's talk about russia and the revelation that there was another revelation at the g 20. again, this is a credibility issue. they have not been truthful. certain things, a number of times so far during this administration. what sort of credit biblt to do they have left to say this is not a big deal. >> the white house has been pushing back on some of the reporting from ian bremer now. it lasted roughly an hour. the white house said it was quite brief. it was a social dinner, right? and we saw this meeting with other world leaders as well. what we have been talking about today is not that it is note able that he had this conversation with another world leader. that happens all of the time. if these reports are true, the

len length of that meeting, that it attracted attention from over leaders, and the only person that knows what was said between the two is the russian translator. the president was seated next to the wife of the japanese prime minister, not russian. >> hallie jackson, we'll late you go, thank you very much. we are joined by the washington bureau chief now. along with matt miller, former chief spokesman for the justice department. phil,ly sta i will start with y. the president was not seated by vladimir putin, he had to get up and walk over to vladimir putin. the optics of that, explain why

some might see that as problematic. >> it is was clearest example that we have of the fascination that trump has with putin. we saw it in the campaign. he spoke about him in a different way than he did other world leaders and here they are meeting face to face for the first time. he got up from his seat to go sit and talk to putin for an hour. according to the other world leaders that witnessed this, they were befuddled. they found it very interesting, it was very animated. there was no other u.s. official there to participate in the conversation or bear witness to what was said. the only account that we have is donald trump's. >> he seems to be gesturing over

to vladimir putin. like we should talk, but phil rucker, the fact that the russian translator was the only one there, no white house aides, could that have been president trump's way of getting around anyone finding more out about what he was going to say? is that too sinister of a look at it? >> that is possible. we don't have any kind of accounting of what that discussion about about. we know they have a formal meeting that was more than two hours. at this dinner, we really don't know. i'm hoping that sarah sanders will provide some detail. did they talk about sanctions and more about the election -- the election interference frsh last area? i don't know. >> let's listen a little nor what ian bremer says his sources

told him about that? >> the reason i know about this meeting is purely because of america's allies find the fact that what trump was doing not in terms of breaking any laws, but his ins difference to the g 20 unit. he has no problem showing off. >> understanding the dynamics at play here, what is going on? >> he knew going on that angela merkel said she was trying to preserve the global market system, keep a contact in place about climate change. that she would be warmer and cozier with russia? >> do you think he was deliberately doing that? >> i think donald trump for

whatever reason throughout the campaign and throughout his presidency so far is a bit obsessed with russia. he is so far out there in russia in ways -- >> is that a policy based obsession or just an infatuation? >> maybe kissinger and it's tied up in his head, it can't work unless he brings his people along. >> i asked why he would be drawn to pew tin, and what they refuse to say in public is he is inf infatuated with powerful men. giving that, is that not just his being drawn to the leader rather than actively showing angela merkel that we are trying to sidestep the european union.

>> shotgun i don't understand is his feelings, when he shared secret intelligence that the is railies -- is israelis shared with us. donald trump said in his last trip before president, maybe we can do a quick deal and drop the cry m crimea sanctions. he is a transactional guys, and he spoke to the only person he was interested in. >> and that is the same thing.

wlo do you think he would want to talk to in that room. matt miller, you said the only way he would withstand the fire storm that putin could bring is if the alternative is worse. >> donald trump had to know he would be under great scrutiny. he had a two hour meeting earlier in the day, and the first six months of his administration would be consumed by the russian investigation. i think part of it is incompetence on the white house, but i don't guy that explanation. they had to know it would blow up, but you have to say well,

what were they trying to hide. it was donald trump that sought out vladimir putin. he did it when he had no one else with him after a two-hour meeting. it seems it could have been something he didn't want to bring up earlier in the day when rex tillerson and an american translator is in the room. it could be a policy matter, the worst possible interpretation is something related to the 2016 election. we don't know the answer to that and that is why it is so concerning. no one else was there to give an act of what happened. >> a pattern of not disclosing things. undisclosed is the word of the day because the pattern fits. we keep learning the white house is refusing to be open about it. the big topic last sweek that don junior meeting with the

russian lawyer. this is a drip drip drip that continues, matt. why are they not being forth coming about this. if you want to say there is nothing shady, just say this is all that happened. because they're not being honest about it. >> this is one of the oldest committee says in washington. the cover up is always worse than the crime. >> sometimes the coverup exists because if the crime is so bad that if it gets out there it proves fatal. they were willing to give the trump campaign and administration the benefit of the doubt. maybe collusion didn't happen, but there was some contacts and they're trying to avoid embarrassment. when there are so many undisclosed meetings. some of them frankly just lied about what happened. they just lied in the first

instance. when you add up the fact there was undisclosed meetings, and now the president himself, at some point the simple essex pla nation not that they're coming clean because they have something to hide. >> proving fatal for this trump a min trags and campaign. there was a lot of jaw dropping moments in the campaign last year, nothing has proven fatal. why is there not something in the white house that says at the moment, at the very at least, we're getting it all out there, dealing with it in one fell swoop, and then do the things we said we wanted to do. and then they keep rolling more out. >>. >> when you say nothing has been fatal, in the investment community they talk about past

returns not ini dinindicative oe results. >> phil rutger, thank you. more on the efforts to get any action on health care. he is blaming republicans and saying this is the democrats fault. >> and we're awaiting kmengss from republican senators mcconnell and cornen who were at that meeting. we'll bring you those comments once that happens, stay with us. t to me than my vacation. so when i need to book a hotel, i want someone who makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. and with their price match, i know i'm getting the best price every time. c'mon, gary! your vacation is very important. that's why booking.com makes

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obama care was a big lie. you can keep your doctor, lie. you can keep your plan, lie. it was a lie, directly from the president. you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan, 28 times he said it. 28 times, and it was a high and he knew it was. >> senate republicans may have all but declared their efforts to repeal and replace obama care. that sound is from a lunch that trump hosted today at the white house. he tweeted this message, i will be having lunch at the white

house with senators today, they must keep their promise to america. and it will get even better at lunchtime. dems scream death as o-care dies. here is how the senators were sounding off before the meeting. >> if we fail, i imagine there will be consequences. we have some time to get this right, and i'm still generally confidence we will. >> for seven years they said if you elect us, we will repeal obama care. we will look like fools if we can't deliver on that promise. >> our political reporter for nbc news is on capitol hill as well. it looks like you're in the washington news room. i can't tell. sometimes those screens are getting so good.

that health care lunch, that was quite an intro that we were able to see. >> yeah, katie, it was really something. the question now is whether or not the president is committed to this path forward. that was the third position he has taken on what the senate should do with the shk bill this week. he was for repeal and replace. then he tweeted they should just stand back and let obama care fail and wait for democrats to come to them. now they're trying to get repeal and replace done. you saw the president there exerting real world pressure on the senators opposed to that original plan. including dean heller, that if he wants to remain a senator, maybe he ought to get behind this plan, so they have been

waiting to see if the president would lead from the front. so this lunch. if it is the start of that, it is a one off event for the president that might turn his attention to something else and we are essentially back where we were late last week with not enough support to get it done. . >> we'll find out if he is willing to do more than have lunch with senators and occas n occasion occasionally tweet about it. >> benji, you have been writing about health care for awhile now. anyone that wants to learn more about it, one of them, you write the president has threatened for months to who would billions of dollars. insurance companies are owed in cost sharing dediction.

ensurers say they are raising 2018 premiums in response and warn they may pull out of more counties. a handful of which do not have individual ininsure sures lined 2018. so they're talking about what they can do to sabotage the law. it is more accurate to say he can make obama care fail. he is the person running it. they are driving up premiums next year. the white house just won't tell them what the rules of the road are going to be next year. the biggest issue is that the white house is not clarified whether or not they will make payments to ensurers they are owned for doing something required of them.

there are other concerns about whether or not the white house will sufficiently promote exchanges in open enrollment or enforce the laws that are also raising questions. but this is a serious much. >> he also was saying they don't properly tout their law, that premiums will go down under the g.o.p. plan. they will have better health care for less money and pre-existing conditions will be covered. fact check that for me. >> we don't have a congressional budget office score. but what we know from the previous version is it is pretty clear across the board from experts. premiums are reichlikely to go . dedetectables will go up for a lot of people because that's one of the ways they get premiums down in the senate bill.

as for pre-existing conditions, the point of the cruz amendment being debated right now, the big future of the latest is to allow companies to sell plans that do not have to include protections for people with pre-existing conditions. they have to sell plans that include huz pthose protections. >> will we see anything like a bamp deal any time soon? >> any time soon? pronlly not. this lunch forces republicans to give this one more college try. it is clear that republicans clear they have exhausting every plan.

garrett, thank you very much. bob casey, represents the finance committee and the health education committee. thank you for joining us. first off, i want to find out, senator, i'm sorry, excuse me. i want to know where the democrats are specifically willing to negotiate with the republicans if there is a bipartisan deal. >> we have been saying for a long time that republicans in the early early part of the year, back in january, chose a reconciliation path, a stiff arm to democrats. we have offered ideas but offered a way to sit down. the only way question do that is to take repeal off of the table, and that is possible now i think because this bill is in trouble that they have been proposing and maybe even the other bill,

take repeal off of the table. maintain the protections in place, put in regular loorders r hearings, and make sure we don't have the obscene tax cuts in the december nation of medicaid. if they cotake place, i believe we could sit down and work on individual bills to strengthen insurance markets to create competition, have an importation bill, a lot of ideas that we could debate and come to consensus on some of them. >> the president and some of his colleagues say the only thing democrats want is single payer health care? >> we have been saying all along we want to preserve what is working and make sure we're taking other steps to bring down costs and make health care more affordable. there is no question that when 20 million people get health care, that is good for them and for us. we're all better off.

we're better off with consumer protections. when they get help with their donut hole protection. despite all of those achievements, there are some places where there is one ensurer, and ensure -- insurer. and mandating that they will make the cost sharing reduction payments that allow people to afford health insurance and make sure that we're helping those whose, even if they're getting a tax credit or a subsidy that helps them pay for their premiums, if they needs to be elevated we need to consider that as billion. >> no on single payer? >> there is no bill that speaks to that. there may be a bill in the next couple weeks and we will debate that. right now -- >> you're not talking king it o the table? >> i'm sure there will be a bill

on that and when there is we will debate it. take repeal off of the table. make sure we're focused on the reparts of health care. those parts of the exchanges. we can do that in a bipartisan fashion, apparently president trump lectured the republicans about staying in town and the president is now back to the old senate bill as opposed to the repeal and delay, which is repeal and walk away, really. >> senator bob casey from pennsylvania. thank you very much. sorry about that flub at the beginning. >> that's fine. >> just so our viewers know, that luncheon with the president is concluding, we're waiting for senators to exist the white house, walk down that drive one and step up to that podium to talk to reporters about what

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as you can see, senator mcconnell speaking to reporters right now. >> he talked to a lot of members. and the vice president, the sed of cms will be on chapitol hill tonight working with some of our members that had difficulty gets to yes. let me describe what yes is. it is the motion to proceed. we cannot keep the commitment we made to the american people to repeal and replace obama care unless it is on the bill.

next week we are voting to get on the bill. those of you that don't cover capitol hill, this type of bill is open for amendments. there is no way that i, or anyone else, can prevent senators from having amendments. any 51 of us can pass or change the bill, but we cannot have a debate until we get on the bill. i have every expectation of trying to get on the bill. i think we have two options

here, a large majority, to repeal obama care. we all agree it is better to repeal and replace. but we could have a vote on either. and if we end up voting on repeal only, it will be fully amendable. and if it were to pass, there is a two year delay before it kicks in. the take away from what i'm telling you is no harm is done by getting on the bill. wide open for amendments no matter what i offer as a substitute first it is amendable. >> are you experiencing some political whiplash here? >>. >> well it is obvious that we have had difficulty getting 50 votes to proceed, but i don't

want anyone to think we will not have that motion next week. the motion to proceed on the bill next week. >> will you cancel all of august recess? >> we'll have a vote on the motion to proceed with the bill next week. thanks, everybody. >> a lot of questions still being thrown out but mitch mcconnell is walking away saying they will, yes they will, have a vote on the motion to proceed to at least repeal obama care next week. he said the senators that will repeal obama care, part of getting reelected, they need to stand by that commitment. he said it is better ultimately to repeal and replace a bill, but they can have a bill on either one of those. we'll find out what that bill might look like by next week. it does not look now like he has the votes to get it done unless

a number of senators change their nind thminds in that meet. they noted those bills, they may change their mind, and what happens with senator dean heller of nevada who was seated right next to the president in that luncheon. he was the one that everyone was looking at to see where he was going to go. if that would make him say yes or no to this bill. he never came out, but president trump said you want to stay a senator, don't you? dean heller laughed that off, but a glaring moment.

. another big story of the day, he created a commitment. he did win, but he is irked about losing the popular vote. today he talked about all of that illegal voting out there. >> this issue is very important to me because throughout the campaign, and even after people would come up to me and express their concerns about this inconsistencies and irregularities they saw, in some cases dealing with alarm numbers of people in the other states. >> there is no evidence at all of widespread voter fraud. not the three to five million cases of it which is what the president said back in november. so what is the point of this voter integrity panel and why are they asking for so much voter data? joining me from the white house,

the kansas secretary of state, and the man heading up this commission. thank you so much for joining us secretary. you had your first meeting today, you laid out several priorities for the group, but none of them involved hacking into the election. is that something that was left out of the meeting today? will you be looking into it? >> whoever briefed you might have missed it. we did mention that as one of the topics. the security of our election voter registration rules. and i also note that the commission did take information at this first meeting about proving cases of voter fraud. one of them introduced documented of 938 convictions from the year 2,000. .

but the first was principally about the topics, but impressive data being assembled. >> what about russian meddling into the election? >> you have to dpied that into two having, right? we will be looking at the integrity of the voter rules, but you also have a progressor topic. that is not really the job of this commission, it is the voting machines, the processes is. the systems, not the broader issue about attempting to directly influence the elections. >> will you make the future meetings public? >> if by public you mean will they come make testimony in front of the commission, yes.

to all of the meetings open in the broad daylight. the press is invited and they are publicly available. >> so presidevice president pen the comments but how do you care those two, at the same time for you to have lingering doubts? >> i think that individual commissioners like me, we presented a lot of data to federal courts. we're proving our defense of citizenship. but i don't have that data, and other commissioners don't have that information from the other 28 states. this is the first nationwide effort to direcollect those fac.

they it is not voter fraud from one side or the other. >> do you think hillary clinton won the popular vote by three to five million votes? >> we'll probably never know the answer to that question. even if you could prove a certain number were cast by ineligible voters -- >> is that why this commission exists? >> that is not the reason that the commission was created. the commission is to look at the facts as they are, go where the facts lead us on voter fraud. >> so again you think that maybe hillary clinton did not win the popular vote? we may never know the answer to that question. >> he really? you really believe that? >> let's suppose that the commission determined there was a certain number of votes cast

by ineligible voters, you still won't know if they voted for trump, clinton, or someone else. it is hard to know exactly what the final tally would be in that election. you can obviously based on the data make some very educated guesses. >> so were the votes for donald trump that lead him to win the election in doubt as well? >> absolutely. if there are people are who are noncitizens, felonies, th felon. >> that is exactly the reason the commission exists. the polls show that the majority of machineries think our elections are unfair or susceptible to fraud, the point of the commission is to look and say okay what are the facts? how susceptible to fraud?

if this particular type of fraud exists, what can states do to ward off that fraud? it is to restore confidence and look at a nationwide level at these sources of fraud. and it is high time there was. >> the president tweeted that he would have won if it wasn't for all of the voter fraud. he said he would create a voter fraud commission and you're saying right now the commission is not born to prove what the president believes is that he would have won the popular vote if it wasn't for all of that voter fraud, and he says every one of those questionable votes that he claims exists went to hillary clinton. that's not why the commission exists? >> no, it is not to validate

anything he said for the election of 2016. >> thank you very much, sir. >> list bring in our panel to talk about this. associate director for the council -- associate director council for the education fund, and bill crystal. guys what do you make of his claims there that he can't be confidence that drupt won fairly or that hillary clinton won the vote. >> he likes to cast doubt on the accuracy of our democratic process, and i don't think it is serious out there. he thinks whatever the problems with fraud or whatever the genuine policy disputes about voter id, there is no one i know who thinks there is a real

dispute, and he is saying we can be confidence that the person that wis president got the vote that we think he got. >> it seems outrageous to say this. >> it is damaging. we sort of believe in federalism. we think the states have a pretty big interest. we had a pretty state based and federalist based voting system. he is the secretary of the state of kansas, let him fix kansas. in virginia we have a democratic governor and legislature. they're both convinced the voting system looks fine. >> since he has been secretary of the state of kansas. 1.8 million registered voters there, nine convictions of voter

imp impropriety. >> it is set up to cast doubt on american voters and to intimidate them and not want them to participate in the process. we're already seeing that, we have hundreds of voter who is are seeking to deregister in states across the kun try because they don't want their intimate information shared with the government. certainly not shared with a commission that has predetermined what outcome of their finding wills be, and one that has demonstrated that it cannot safely and securely house the information like social security numbers, party affiliation, your felony conviction record if you have one. these are very intimate details that should not be shared with an investigatory plot. >> they say this is not voter suppression. >> they can say that until the

cows come home, but we know what this is about. the president has been saying this, from the campaign trail through >> we have to go live to capitol hill right now. senator ted cruz is talking that luncheon. let's take a listen. >> we would repeal the disaster that is obamacare. we've got to deliver o that promise. ible we can, and i think we're making real promise. >> does president trump need to do anything else? he keeps getting everybody together. they're not there yet. about do you think the president should be doing something else? >> listen, i think the president is very helpful bringing the conference together and delivering the strong message that we need to get this job done. that's helpful to hear from the president. and the administration has played a very important role, you know, just a few days ago hhs released a study analyzing the effect of the consumer freedom amendment. it is a study that shows that the consumer freedom amendment would increase coverage, increase insurance coverage by over 2 million people, and it

would decrease premiums substantially by over $7,000 a year. for people who are hurting, that's real money. and that shows exactly what we've been saying for a long time, which is the way you lower premiums is through competition, through market forces, through giving consumers the freedom to choose their own health care that's best for them and their families. >> what did you make of president trump's comments to senator heller? he suggested that if he wants a remain a senator, we'll get on board with the plan. >> well, listen, the president has his own way of communicating. what i will say is the senate conference is working clab til to bring everyone together. and to do so, you know, the process -- going back to february when lamar alexander and i joined together to form the health care working group with senators across the ideological spectrum from moderates to conservatives, working to get to yes, i think we got a lot of common ground. and i think we discovered the keys to u nighting the

conference, the central key is focusing on lowering premiums. and you do that through expanding consumer freedom. i would note the current senate bill, not only does it have the consumer freedom bill that i drafted, in addition to that it also allows people to pay health insurance premiums from health savings accounts. that is a big, big deal. that's illegal under current law. what that means for millions of merks is your rates drop 3040% because you're paying with pretax dollars. if we keep focusing on lowering premiums -- >> that was a leadership decision. it may be -- better question for mitch mcconnell. >> did the president again mention -- >> that was senator ted cruz talking to reporters about the healthcare bill and how they need to get something done. bill, you're still with me. what do you think of this?

this is a tough time for the republicans who ran on repeal and replace, and they can't seem to get it together to continue to -- or to vote on what they promised their voters. why is it more complicated now than it was a few years ago? >> well, because two years ago they knew president obama was going to veto the bill that they passed and they passed it. and that's legitimate. i think at the time it was legitimate. but now it's two years later, and president trump would sign the bill and suddenly -- and obamacare is two years further, you know, entrenched in the system. and so the consequences don't look so good. the bill is unpopular. what i'm very struck by in the last 48 hours both from senator mcconnell and president trump is they're staying on this topic. can you buy off senator heller, can you muscle this guy, can you at least get a motion to proceed. i'm a little bewilled erred by that. maybe they think they can keep on digging and have a satisfactory solution, but my basic attitude is, if you're in a hole, stop digging.

they can say look, we tried. 52 senators is a very narrow margin. we're sorry we didn't deliver. and incidentally, you could do this. there's a terrible opioid abuse epidemic, right. let's deal with that at least and pass that with a lot of democratic votes. but they're doubling down on the purely partisan attempts to get this bill to the floor. >> they passed repeal because they knew president obama was going to veto it. does that not suggest that this is all partisan politics at its corey, that there was no real desire to change this? they just wanted to tear down what the former president built just because they wanted to tear him down because it's a democratic? >> no, i don't think so. >> no? what about people who see it that way. >> i think there's many better ways to help people get health insurance than obamacare with all the exchanges, the regulations and so forth. that's a ledge malpolicy debate. there are plepty of conservative

policy ideas. they didn't have to be careful about those ideas in 2015. what they should have done in january of 2017 is say, okay, a lot of conservative ideas. let's have lots of hearings. let's have all the are experts in. let's see if we can agree with democrats on a few things. it's not like this has never been done. we've seen policy made in other administrations in this wayel. and instead, for various reasons having to do with the budget processor whatever, they ran this bill through the house. then the senate wouldn't accept it. then they've had these back door meetings with senators. they are unhappy with this process in the accepts that they are used to be consulted on legislation, especially if they're senior senators, chairman and stuff. this was done by mitch mcconnell's sfaf in a back room, how can we teek this to make this work. health care is very complicated. >> no offense to you. >> this is part of -- successful legislation is both privately and publicly creating some consensus for it.

and what has been done to convince anyone that this is good legislation and having donald trump speak to someone at a rally -- >> what about the hospitals? i mean, you're having a republican senator to vote for a bill that's opposed by probably the largest hospital in his strict, the insurance people in his district, the doctors in his district. you know -- >> the people of his drikt is. >> the people in his district judging from the poll. that's not how legislation gets passed. >> and it's is striking that only one in four trump voters in his counties saw this as a good idea. the rest were either unsure, didn't care or thought it was a bad idea. bill christ ol of the weekly standard. thank you very much for joining me and for tap dancing with all the various topics that were thrown at us. stay with us. we'll be right become a. flash.

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