other administrations have tried for a different kind of relationship with russia. they've had the desire, the wish for a more constructive relationship. donald trump is the first one who has drawn a moral he kwifs between the united states and russia and the fact that so many republicans have gaup along with that that's what makes one question the soul of the party. >> all right. we got everyone to say yes at the same time. that does it for this hour. mtp daily starts right now. >> hi, nichole, and if it is wednesday, is political whiplash covered under the latest republican healthcare plan? tonight, huddling on health care. why leader mccome is calling for a repeal only vote. it's wanted likely he'll win. >> we're going to vote on the motion to proceed to the bill next week. >> we'll talk to lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. plus, why did it take weeks for the white house to disclose the president's second talk with vladimir putin? >> i'm not going to get into the specifics of the conversation.

>> and why one of the leaders rft president's voter integrity commission is calling into question the legitimacy of the entire 2016 election? >> so, again, you think that maybe hillary clinton did not win the popular vote? >> we may never know -- >> or the votes for donald trump that led him to win the election in doubt as well? >> absolutely. >> this is mtp daily, and it starts right now. good evening. i'm catheter in new york in for chuck todd. welcome to mtp daily. just one day after the senate effort to repeal and replace obamacare, all but collapsed, president trump huddled with senate republicans at the white house this afternoon. and he gave them a bit of whiplash. three days ago he was on board with the senate plan to repeal and replace. two days ago he told them to replace now and repeal now and

replace later. yesterday he told them to let the health system collapse entirely and wait until 2018. but this afternoon he said this. >> we have to repeal and replace obamacare. we can repeal it, but the best is repeal and replace and let's get going. >> amid these muddled messages, he made one thing clear. he wants to sign something. and senators shouldn't go home until he's got it. >> frankly, i don't think we should leave town unless we have a health insurance plan, unless we can give our people great health care. >> after their meeting senate majority leader mitch mcconnell laid it down. they're going to go full speed ahead, even if it means going full speed ahead to nowhere. >> well, it's pretty obvious we've had difficulty in getting

50 votes to proceed. but what i want to disabuse any of you of is the notion that we will not have that vote next week. we're going to vote on the motion to proceed to the bill next week. >> but the fact stanlds, right now mcconnell does not have the votes to repeal or replace obamacare. and their meeting with the president appears to have done little to change that, at least so far. >> are you reconsidering your decision to vote against the motion to proceed? >> no. >> there's so many moving parts on this. i don't want to commit to anything at this point. >> will you vote on a motion to proceed if it's just a repeal bill? >> i'm is it in a position i've been in for weeks which is trying to improve the bill. >> before this president was ever sworn in, in fact, before he was even a candidate, republicans were unified in their goal to repeal and replace obamacare, and they still are. but here we are six months into trump's presidency with the

senate stampeding towards a do or die vote, and they're still split on how exactly to do it. and any moment now we are expecting brand-new numbers from the congressional budget office on what would happen under the gop plan to repeal obamacare now, two years, and replace it later. and joining me now from capitol hill is ms nbc's garrett headache. garrett, what is next? >> reporter: katy, that's a great question. look, what we know is next is that we're going to get these numbers tonight on the repeal and delay plan. and we know they're going to be bad. the cbo scored a very similar bill a couple of years ago, found more than 30 million people losing insurance and a lot of them lose it like that, right away, because of the way this bill is structured. once the repeal part starts down the line you see these sort of insurance markets just kind of droi up. so that's not going to be pretty. we know also that mitch mcconnell is absolutely committed to getting some kind of bill on the floor and trying to start some kind of debate. there's almost sort of a wild west feeling to this. the majority leader's office thinks they can get something on

the floor, they can essentially fight it out with these amendments to try to get something that 50 senators can vote for. and we know tonight that this meeting with the white house did breathe a little bit of life into this process. it certainly lit a fire to try at least one more time to try to get something done, butic tell you that the follow-up is still part of the problem here. there's this 37:30 meeting tonight on the hill with white house officials and waiver senators to talk about this bill, and one of the hardest nos, susan collins isn't even going, by the time she found out about this she had another commitment tonight. so she's not going to be there. so whether they'll be able to sort of crack the ice around some of the more committed nos on this vote is still an open question. >> so what happens? they repeal it, but obamacare stays in place for two years, and then they -- during that time they figure out something to replace it with. what does that do to the health care markets? does that cause mass disableization more than we're already seeing? is that part of the problem is that senators are having with

this. >> sure, absolutely. we've heard that from senator murkowski has been one of the most vocal people about the problem of uncertainty. congress has not typically been good at meeting these efl imposed deadlines. think about the sequester from a couple of years ago. sometimes they set these roadblocks for themz in the hoepts that they'll get something done, about ut opponents of the repeal and delay said look, republicans had seven years to come up with an alternative plan to obamacare p what's the thinking that they would get it done in another two? now, republicans would argue, look, we're going to get democrats on board because this would be such a disastrous cliff if we can't come up with a replace am. the democrats would have to get on board, but that's a huge gamble, quite frankly, katy accident and some of these senators just aren't willing to take it. >> garrett headache on capitol hill. thank you very much. >> and joining me now is republican congressman jim jor dan of ohio. thank you so much for being here, congressman. let's talk about what happens if mcconnell brings this vote to the floor.

should he be doing so if he's not positive that he's got enough votes to get it passed? >> at some point you've got to have the vote. i actually support just repeal it now. there's a two year wind-down. i reintroduced that same bill that we put on president obama's desk 18 months ago. incompetent that's what we should do, repeal it. you've got a two year wind-down, a phase down period where you could actually work on the replacement. i hope that's what we do. >> what with the market getting did he stabilized during that time? what are you going to do about the people who are going to get kicked off their insurance or lose health care coverage during that time? is that a concern. >> the did he stable zplags and uncertainty already exists. >> absolutely, but certainly that would make it more did he stabilized than it already is right now. >> right now in craw ford county, highway, a county i get the privilege present right leg is, there are no plans in the exchange, none. no option for people in the individual and small group market. so, look, this is the problem. we have to get rid of this law. it's what we told the voertsz we're going to do.

we got elected largely on this issue. we just need to do what we said and that's what we have to -- it never hurts you to do what you told the voters you were going to do, what they sent you here to do. let's do that the bill has a two year wind-down. there's plenty of time -- and you know what? if you want a bipartisan solution, you repeal it first. that could be the catalyst that creates the momentum for a bipartisan solution and we could actually help families. so i think it's the right way to go. >> so what happens, congressman, if it state department and you have people who are losesing their health care, who are suddenly in dire need of help -- no, no, hold on. let me finish my question. so if you have this two year delay and the market get did he stabilized ever further and people can't get access to the health care that they need and you say that's already happening in many communities. you cited just one. fine. accept that. but why is the republican congress you control both houses and the white house, why are you okay with just letting it flournd for two more years if it

is such a massive problem why can you not get on the same page to find a replacement that would stabilize everything right now? that's my question. >> yeah. and i'm not okay with that. that's why i supported the house bill after we conservatives weighed in in intense debate and made the house bill better. i shptd that lenls lags. but based on where we are right now, let's do, let's repeal it. let's repeal it. we still have time then to put together the replacement, the kind of thing that i think actually going to bring down costs, premiums ask help famous, help those families who are paying 4, 5, $6,000 a month in premium costs and also with the 6 to $10,000 dulktd of dubltible. how is that helping families today? >> so the cbo score, the house version of the bill pretty poorly. it said it would knock off 33 million i think was the number of people that it would end up knocking off or 32 million people. that's a huge number. the senate healthcare bill is a little different. obviously we're going to get

another cbo score coming a little bit later. this is also something that's want popular even among republican voters, even among trump voters in trump counties, congressman, only 1 in 4 voters support this, and that's not a high number. the rest either don't care or they think it's a bad idea. >> 2 points. >> hold on. why is it not an option for sh in congress since that's what the american public elected people to do to get together, bipartisan agreement to find a way to stabilize the markets as they exist right now and then while they have that stabilized, come up with a new plan that you think is going to be better? why not do that first since it's so dire and people have health care and had they need it and then go forward with it. >> three things. one, that market is so unstable as we talk under obamacare. two, cbo score has all kinds of problems. you can look at the forbes article which pointed out the data and the procedures and the process they used to come to their conclusions. very suspect. and then three, come back to the

basics. we just had an election on november 8th, 2016 where it was very clear we were sent here to repeal obamacare and then replace it with market centered, patient centered, the kind of focus that going to actually empower families and individuals. do what we said we would do. that's what we have to -- >> i understand that as a strategy completely, but i'm trying to -- >> not a strategy, a promise, a contract. it's not a strategy. >> american people including the american voters want. that's what i'm asking about. and you might not trust the cbo, but it's a none participate group, so if you don't trugs the cbo, who are americans supposed to trust, and not to mention the cbo, health care companies have come out and hospitals have come and the aarp has come out and everybody has said that this is a bad idea. so who do the american people thrust, just the republican party? is that it. >> those are the same people who said obamacare was going to be

wonderful and we've seen what that's done. there's been three elections where this was a central issue and the american people elected us to do something. it's not a strategy. it's not about politics here. lie ma ohio i remember the first time he said do what you said you would do in this business. that's what we have to focus on. it's not about politics. it's not about strategy. it's about keeping our word and helping those families who are currently hurting under obamacare, the same law when it was passed we were told nine different things it all turned out to be false. remember this ike your plan keep your plan, remember your doctor r -- we were even told this website was going to work when it was rolled out. the website was secure. we were told -- >> i understand that, but that was seven years ago, congressman and now people have had health care for quite sometime. >> no, now they've lived under that law nor search years and they know it needs to go. >> let me finish. the american public, the vast majority don't like the plans and that's not just democrats. that's republicans too, so i understand that you want -- >> they don't like obamacare

either. >> they like it better than they like the republican plan. so why not go in and try to stabilize things as of now to make sure that you're putting the public interest first? that is my question, because it feels -- >> repeal it -- >> from an outside observer that this is just politics on both sides of the issue. >> it's wanted politics on both sides of the issue. it's about keelg your word. repeal it first. replace it with something that's much better for the families and the taxpayers that i represent in the fourth district of ohio. that's what my focus is and that's why those of us in the freedom cooks us, that's why we're pushing what we're pushing for. >> congressman jim jordan, thank you very much s. always goold to have you on. and we've got the entire ideological spectrum tonight. we just spoke if a conservative in the house of representatives, a republican. so now let's turn to a moderate senate democrat. joe manchin is a democratic from west virginia. thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> wonderful to have you.

that relies very heavily on medicare, and that's something that would get cut significantly with this current senate healthcare plan as it stands right now. what do you make of congressman jordan saying that it's okay to have two years for that delay for everybody to come to the table, he says, and find a way to make sure that they have better health care? >> well, jim has to understand and we have to respectfully disagree with on this. that's cruel and inhumane treatment, allowing someone to dangle for two years. and here is the thing, the reality of what we're dealing with here is they can't even get 50 votes on the senate side to do what they've wanted to do. they've come to that conclusion. it they're still going fof a vote on this side. you heard jim jordan talk about how committed they are in keeping their promise. things have changed. the bottom line, this is intricate, people's lives are at stake here. we think that we can help fix it. i've been meeting with different people on both sides in a moderate group. we're not going to get the far left or the far right, katy. >> zbichbl that, you have been

meeting with them. what areas of compromise do you see open to you right now between democrats and republicans? >> well, first of all, you have to go through the orderly process, okay, it should go through the committee to where you have discussions. if someone has an idea v explain to me how that idea -- let me understand that idea better and see if it's somethingic support. we never even had the opportunity to do that. let's go back through regular oshd. next of all, when you have the private market, we know that the private market will collapse. they can accelerate the collapse by the csr's, by not putting the money towards stabilizing the market. but with that being said, still those rates are too high. we understand that. we'll work with you on that across state borders, msa's, million savings account, there's so many things that we can have dialogue and probably come to an agreement -- >> so that meeting -- >> where we disagree, katy, is this, they want to give all of these tax credits back, 600 plus billion, whatever they want to scale that down to, you can't

start giving the resources that pay for the health care that we have and then go over and say, well, i'm going to take it away from the services that we're given. that's a nonstarter. and when you had keep talking about repealing because they made some type of a promise, i made people a promise that i'd come here and try to make things work and fix things. if it means repealing it, fine. but if it means repairing it -- right now they can't do what they said. okay, we'll sit down with you and fix it now. we've tried what we done. the people understand it, but if they want to go through a ceremonial vote, do so. let me say another thing, in west virginia, 180,000 people got health care for the first time. got bless them. they never had it before. we gave them a health care, the greatest wealth you can give someone is health care. never gave them one word of instructions how to use it. so don't you think before you start taking this inhumane approach by throwing people off, try to educate them, live a

health yir-style, family practitioner, managed care. >> so you met with a number of senators who used to be governor to try and find a way to find some compromise, bipartisan deal, something you can work together on. is senator schumer on board with your effect? >> absolutely. i think chuck understands, you know, we want to find a part way forward. he knows that those of us that we call recovering governors, we long for the days when we could sit down and bring people together. and i said this, if we can't get democrat and republican governors or exgovernors, you know, if we can't come to the table and fienld a pathway forward, god help us here in the senate, because we're used to working with sometimes a contentious legislature on both sides, democrat and republican. we understand the challenges every state has. states have balanced budget amendments. they have restrictions of what they can do and what their ability to pay for those things. so we can't put undue burdens.

we've got to work with them. we as governors, prior, understanding the budget process and the dlem mass we have and challenges r we think we understand that. and we had a die loeg. we all believe there should be regular order. we believe that we can fix that private market, but also how do you keep the person the high need person, the pre-existing conditions, those with severe illnesses, how do we protect them and give them a chance? that's the group that we have to make sure that we don't leave behind. and when ted cruz says the states will have the opportunity to still offer to pre-existing -- you know, for pre-existing conditions, and i said, ted, i have the opportunity to buy a rolls-royce. i just can't afford it. so the opportunity -- we can't dwe just can't put people in that type of a situation. >> so we just got the new cbo score and we're trying to go through it right now, so give us a moment to get through the numbers. my question is there's a good chunk of the democratic party, the liberal base that says don't

work with donald trump on anything, certainly don't work with the republicans on health care. we don't want to see obamacare repealed or replaced. you're trying to come up with some sort of compromise. >> sure. >> ultimately whatever does happen will be labeled trumpcare, if you can come and meet the republicans, this is a political question, if you can meet them halfway and help get this passed, are you worried about being saddled with the label as the democrat who helped donald trump pass his own health care and helped repeal obamacare? >> let me make sure -- i'm not going to vote to repeal. i don't know a democrat that will vote to repeal. we're not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater. the baby doesn't need a diaper change. now, what i will do, i'll work with the president. i'll work with any republican and democrat to try to fix things. i'm not going to sit back and say i'm sorry i might lose an election or a couple of votes. that's not what i was saying here.

i'm just so -- i feel so privileged to be an american to live in this wonderful country, and if i'm going to worry about my own political self before i worried about the public, then i'm here for the wrong reason. so many trump, president trump got elected through the process. he's our president. i'm going to work with this president the best i can to do the best i can for the state of west virginia and all the wonderful people in west virginia and for this country. now, when he's wrong, i'm going to respectfully disagree. i don't have to kal him names and this and that. and i can give input. that's what i'm going to try to do. i've always done that. >> senator, we have some of the headlines from the cbo. so this is for the senate plan to repeal obamacare noi and replace it later, two years down the line. decrease deficit by $473 billion over the 2017, period. but the number of uninsured would increase by 17 million in

2018. it would also increase by 27 million in 2020. none group market would increase by roughly 25%. and that premiums would double 2026. so, listen, it's going to reduce the deficit about what sort of deals and what sort of money he can give to certain states and for certain efforts, but at the same time, we're seeing that people would get kicked off their health care the same way they would during the house bill, for the house bill. 32 million people in 2026 who would be uninsured. i mean, do you know any of your republican colleagues who would find a cbo score like this acceptable? >> no. well, i would not fienld a cbo score like that acceptable. >> do you think susan collins or

senator murkowski or your colleague in west virginia, shelly -- >> they said they would not let their people be pushed off a cliff. they're not going to let people -- and i p appreciated that so much for shelly standing as stropg as she stood and i know the pressure she's receiving. i'm sure susan and lisa are the same. so there's three. we're saying that if you want to say -- if savings is the thing, then use the system and improve the system to use it for efficiently. you can't let people basically keep going to the emergency room. we've got to show them how to manage their care to have a better quality of life, a healthier life and a more productive life to get back into the work force and get them from the welfare. and we're not even trying that. why they want to take this approach to throwing so many people off knowing that this many people are going to lose their health care, why would you do that when there's another avenue to take. >> again, 30 -- >> you yeah, you can't put 30

million people out on the streets again. >> but again, it would decrease the deaf by 47 # 3 billion. >> i've always said this, sometimes people go to the bottom line and democrats would go to the bottom of your heart of the so you have to choose. >> senator joe manchin, thank you so much for joining us. and thank you for playing with us as we try to figure out this cbo score as it gets passed down. good luck going through it yourself tonight, sir. >> we can make it work. >> let's hope so for the american public. and we're going to have more on the cbo score that just posted in a minute. (baby crying) ♪ fly ♪ me to the moon (elegant music) ♪ and let me play

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. welcome back. as we just mentioned, we've got some breaking news for you from the none partisan congressional budget office. the cbo says that 32 million more people would be uninsured by 2026.

premiums would eventually double relative to plow jeksz under current law and roughly half of the nation's population would live in areas with no insurers is participating in the none group market by 2020. garrett headache joins me again from capitol hill. garrett, today the president promised republican version of this bill, of course this is not necessarily the republican version of it would eventually have lower premiums, but this doesn't look so good. >> reporter: right, katy, but remember in any republican plan this is only sort of the first half. this is the stick. you get the carrot later. the idea being that if you do the repeal delay and replace, the repeal part, you would vote to repeal, you know, monday, let's say, but that the repeal wopt actually go into effect for two years. so you would essentially have this cbo score hang being over you as a reason to act. and the cbo score really, it's a shotgun blast to the individual insurance market. i mean, it's devastating. the number z on here talk about starting in 2018, but even if

you push that back and say we're going to start it in 2020, two years from now or two years from whenever this deal gets done, right out of the gate you lose 17 million people who are not covered. and that's in part because the individual mandate would go away. that gets some healthy people then stop buying insurance. that cranks the pleem yums up for other people who now can't afford it. so this cbo report paints a pretty bleek picture of something that even the most conservative republicans say won't ever actually happen because by then, they say, they would have a replacement plan in place. now, i think it's fair to question how much credit republicans should get for something that they haven't designed, found the votes for or implemented yet, but republicans would say, yeah, this is bad, but this is the badness of this is the motivation to come up with a really good replacement plan. >> garrett headache, thank you so much for hooking back up for us so quickly, sir. appreciate it. >> sure thing. >> and let's go to our panel.

senior politics editor and former rnc chairman and jonathan alter is an msnbc political analyst. michael steel, you know i'm coming to you first. you knew it. >> why? >> because we're talking about the republicans and their bill. it is fair to say that this is not, you know, this is projections of just essential rl repealing obamacare and not having anything else. and the republicans do say that they will have a better plan in place in two years. >> as opposed to the last seven. okay. i'm following you. >> there you go. congress doesn't have a very good reputation, track record for meeting the deadlines that they self impose. >>el, it's not just about meeting the deadlines. it's getting within the caucus some sense of how we want to do this. what is our purpose and goal here. how and why can't we get on the same page so that we can go before the country and give them the confidence that once we repeal this that there will be in fact something there that will work as a placeholder while that process is unfolding and then at the end of that period

have something ready to go. the only thing the american people have to look at, quite honestly, is the last seven years. and particularly the last six months when you had the white house, the senate and the house, and there was still no bill and the bill you put out there has largely been scored as unrealistic. and, yeah, you can trash the cbo, but the numbers -- the cbo is only as good as the numbers you put in. so they're working off of your info. >> they're none partisan. who do you trust, the republicans alone, the democrats alone, the kaiser foundation or the ama or the aarp. of all the people -- >> you put every in the room. i think and listening to your last segment and asking the questions, then why can't we just approach this from a reasonable perspective, get the democrats, get all the stakeholders in the room and raft the bill. >> beth, why captain we? >> yeah, is beth. >> you know what? i've got the answer.

what i can't ever get over about any of this is the fact that nobody, the president, not anybody in congress, not conservative media, nobody seems to be out there explaining to the american public why this bill would be better than obamacare. >> what are you talking about? the president today said it's going tow lower premiums, better coverage. everybody with pre-existing is going to have great health care. he declared it today. >> that's exactly my point. he declared it today when this thing is at the tail end of this process and it's practically almost buried into the ground at this point. that's the thing. here is a man who we all know can snap hiss fingers and put together a 30,000 person rally. he's got a hundred million people on his social media accounts or something like that. why isn't he out there using that capital to sell this plan. >> well, he's fighting with the media. >> well, and that's a very unproductive battle if what he really wants is to pass this

healthcare bill. i don't think he really wants it. . >> i had the congressman jim jordan on a little bit ago. but in the meantime you put so much uncertainty into the market, are you worried about the people who would get kicked off and their argument is there already is uncertainty. >> well, just playing 52 card pickup with a fifth of the american economy. it is the height of irresponsibility to do that. you're talking about real peoples' lives that are in the balance. the good news is i don't think anything about the cbo report changes the fact that three republican women, kwol linls, caputo and murkowski have declared that they're not going to let this repeal only bill proceed. and there's nothing in the cbo report that's going to change their minds on that over the weekend. it's possible. everything is possible nowadays, but it doesn't seem to be likely that they will change their minds. and then you're just talking about moral root canal. you know, at a certain pointed

the republicans are tired of this. it's like trump is lawrence oh live yeah in march athon man. he's in their mouth like and they're ready to go home and see their family. they don't want this any more. they want it off their plate. and it seems like mcconnell understands that. they're going to have a vote at the beginning of next week and then folks are going to come home. >> i've got a question for you from one of our producers on this show. he says how is the cbo scoring this over a ten year window given that the gop plan would presumably include some kind of a replacement plan in that two-year window? how are they finding that score, is it just repeal. >> yeah. at the end of the day, from the republican perspective it's all just about repeal. the cbo, however, is looking at this over a ten-year period, and they're saying, okay, if you put a plan in place next year, this is what it's going to look like, this is how it plays out. it's not taking into account that there is no obamacare per se, and that there's going to be

this mining period wf two years to come up with something else. that will change the cbo -- again, as i said before, the cbo only gives you what you put in. that's how it works. at the end of the day they're going to work off the information, the nblz you give it. >> why, why, why, beth were women cut out of this? why did the republicans do this behind closed doors with 13 men? we are 50% of the population. we are aam fektd by health care. we produce the babies that are men's' babies as well? why are we left out? >> this has been a huge thing i've been thinking about. because many, many, many health providers and others who look at this industry tell you that women make 80% of health care decisions in this country. themselves their kids their parents once their republican parents become elderly. exactly. most men do not interact with the healthcare system they're well into middle age. women do very early on as young patients and then as parents. this is remarkable that a group of men, many of whom i guarantee

in that senate have not seen a doctor in a long, long time have devised a plan that is completely unworkable because in part because they did not talk to the people who would actually use this. >> what is it about us that make us not relevant to this debate? is it because we have lady parts? seriously, why are we not relevant to this debate. and apparently we are, because senators mur cow zi, collins and capito are the ones that shut this down. >> three of the five republican women and this was a cohas sal historical mistake and people will look back on this, this decision to exclude women, i think mcconnell who has this great reputation as a tactician and everything, he really blew it on that. i think he was worried that the conservatives couldn't be kept in if republican moderate women put their kbrint on the bill. and that was a historic error. >> guys, we're going to have more conversation a little bit later. thank you so far. beth, michael.

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welcome back. the white house's controversy alcommission on election integrity held its first session today. president trump formed the panel by executive order and it's chaired by vice president mike pence to in his words help promote fair federal elections. egsd they had no preconceived -- i spoke to the vice chair of the commission and he said that they are looking at the entirety of the federal electoral process including voter fraud and he questioned the integrity of the election, the one in 2016. take a listen. >> you think that maybe hillary clinton did not win the popular vote? >> we may never know the answer to that question. >> how do you say we may never know the answer to that question? really? you really believe that? >> what i'm saying is let's suppose that the commission determined that there were a

certain number of votes cast by ineligible voters, you still won't know whether those people who were ineligible voted for trump or for clinton or for somebody else. so it's impossible to ever know exactly guesses. >> so the votes for donald trump that led him to win the election in doubt as well? >> absolutely. if there are ineligible voters in an election s people who are none citizens, people who are felons who shouldn't be voting -- >> so is our democratic process completely broken should we not be confident when we cast a ballot that anyone we voted for is not going to get elected fairly? >> that's exactly the reason the commission exists. >> it's a good time to go to the panel. john, take it away. >> okay. so he's trying to say that hill larry's 2.8 million margin in the popular vote is now in question, but if you look at the follow-up that you asked, what he's really saying that donald trump's electoral college margin

is now in question, because compare that 2.8 million votes to what happened in pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin where the margins were 40,000 votes, 22,000 votes, and in michigan m 10,000 votes compared to 2.8 million. if those had gone the other direction, less than one-half of one percent in those states, hillary clinton would be president through the electoral college. so arguably, he is playing with fire here. if he wants to reopen pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin and find out how many ineligible voters voted there, that we would then find that donald trump's victory was not legitimate in the electoral college, that would be interesting. >> and, you know, katy, i watched your interview that you did with kris kobach earlier, and i thought one really interesting point that you asked him was is this being done because donald trump believes that the 3 million people that he lost by were all illegal

votes, all entirely cast against him, cast for hillary clinton? >> that's what he said. >> he certainly did. several times. >> donald trump said. >> correct. and you asked kris kobach if that was the reason that this commission existed and he said no. and he sounded, you know, very reasonable that he wanted -- that there's legitimate issues to look into, and yet he also said to your question that they're not looking into the fear or the concern about russia or any other country getting involved, hacking into voting machines, things that are legitimate concerns going forward. >> no. he says -- he said they were looking into the interfering into the machines, just not whether or not somebody is hacking into dnc e-mails. >> but he did say that, but he didn't seem particularly concerned about what might lie ahead. it still seems to be sort of relitigating 2016. >> twenl. it was remarkable that tesd we may never know if hillary clinton won the popular vote and by that reason,ologic, may never know if donald trump won the electoral college.

michael, are you comfortable with this? >> no, i'm not. i just think, again, this is a reaction or a solution searching to r a problem, however you want to cast this. you know, having spent a significant portion of my political life at the grassroots level dealing with ballot boxes in a very lopsided state like maryland where you go in and three of them are registered republicans so let's have some fun with this election, right. that's the reality of it. it is what it is on the ground. the fact that there's a federal commission looking into this, that is not, you know, taking into consideration what the states are already doing to sort of deal with this on a day to day base, year in and year out, the reaction by states attorneys across the country and attorneys jens to this dmigs tells you that the states are put off by this and i think there should be some real concern about where this leads to when it --.

>> two things for voter suppression that this is ultimately what that is about. >> it is. >> and then secondly, if he's saying that we don't know if we can trust the results of the 2016 election, what does that mean for the 2020 election? >> well, this is such a threat to democracy, this voter suppression commission which is what it should properlien called because every step they're taking in the queries that they're making to state governments and local governments is all intended to hold down votes, democratic votes that they are trying to keep -- people are trying to keep from coming to the polls. the people he's collected in this commission, they all have long histories of voter suppression that go back twenlt years. so that's antidemocratic. and raising doubts about the legitimacy of an election is p antidemocratic. both of them undermine the faith that we have in our system. it's very, very important for us, moving forward, and if we get into a situation like a

banana that republic situation where in every election nobody believes the rurnls. >> and they say they're just trying to make sure everything was fair and done honestly. >> the president won. >> the president wanted to find out what was going on with the voter fraud that he claimed kis examined. he tweeted if out right ards, 3 to 5 million people voted illegally and, if that didn't do that, i would have won the popular vote and then he issued an executive order for this commission. >> this is all about not winning the popular vote. >> stay with us. still ahead, new insight into how voters in key trump counties are grading the president's first six months in office. hey. pass please. i'm here to fix the elevator. nothing's wrong with the elevator. right. but you want to fix it. right. so who sent you? new guy. what new guy? watson. my analysis of sensor and maintenance data

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welcome back. they want the steak without the sizzle. that's the message we got from americans in trump counties when asked about this president's first six months in office. according to new numbers from our poll, the americans in trump counties seem to like this president substance a lot more than that his style. his efforts to keep jobs in the u.s., they love it by a huge 61-point margin. his tough talking stance on north korea, they love that by a 46-point margin. a lot more folks support his travel ban than oppose it. those are issues of substance. it's the issues of style that

get a bit hairier. they oppose his use of twitter by a 38-point margin. his handling of russia is under water by 31 points. his decision to not release his tax returns and neither are his efforts to replace obamacare. it's the same story with his criticism of tmedia and his decn to fire james comey. the message to the president from trump county, trump voters is pretty clear, keep your eyes on job and security and keep your hands off the iphone. we'll be right back.

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this was the same thing we saw during the primaries and the general election. folks liked donald trump. they were amused by him but they wanted him to stop user twitter. they wanted him to pull it back, but he won. >> he did. a lot of same people are still with him, still behind him. most polling showing up 85% of republicans there. he has a base. >> he's allowed to do what he wants on the margins? >> it appears that his strategy is very much base centric. it's not bringing the country together in any meaningful way. if you dig deeper into the polls his support among people holding their nose is really starting to sink. that base may be the only thing left for him. >> does he have any reason to trust the polls? >> i think he does. i think he does in his internal polls are confirming a lot of this. in real estate it's location, location, location.

for donald trump and politics it's deliverables, deliverables. that's going to be the turning point with those trump county is when those deliverables get delivered or not. that's the next stage which is why he's probably pressing on health care. >> can't he say i tried to deliver and the republicans or democrats -- >> he can try that and do that fairly effectively but that poll wasn't just trump voters. those were trump counties including democrats and independents. he was carrying a lot of those counties 75-20 where romney carried them 60-40. if the democrats can make them 60-40 counties, the democrat will be elected president. >> keep an eye on those soft democrats and those moderate republicans who voted for donald trump because their worries about hillary clinton. after the break, bringing home the bacon.

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barrel spending and earmarks. fay wasn't the only pig at the party. it seems like that other pig, this is ridiculous. making him squeal. >> thanks pig foot. good to see you again. notice he's always at the other end of the line when i'm around. >> what is going on? washington, d.c.? this guy looks ridiculous or lady. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. i'll try to get it together by then. have a good night, guys. we begin with the major breaking news just moments ago. nbc news learning that donald trump junior and paul manafort, the president's former campaign manager are now listed as witnesses at the senate judiciary hearing next