india. we're using it faster than it can be created. if you're going to the beach this weekend appreciate the wonder of the sand in your toes and then do us all a favor, leave it where you found it. that's all for tonight. we'll be back on monday with more mtp daily. have a great weekend. they can't blame the messenger anymore. sean spicer resigning as white house press secretary. late today president trump with this. >> with your staff shake up? can you change what you're trying to accomplish? >> make america great again. we're getting there. >> spicer resigning after unsuccessfully trying to block the appointment of an no thi as white house communications director. sarah huckabee sanders will take over in august. holding the first on camera press briefing since june.

talking about reports of friction from the white house. >> he decided it would be better to go. >> sean felt like it would be best for that team to be able to start with a totally clean slate. reince and i have been friends for six years. i like the team. i love the mission that the president has. >> loyalty counts in the white house. spicer leaving after 182 days. there were clashes with reporter. there were saturday night live sketches. there were reports president trump was unhappy with his performance and then there were no more on camera briefings. >> the cameras are back. will you commit now to holding regular on camera briefings,

sir? >> if she supplies hair and makeup, i will consider it. i need a lot of hair and makeup. i don't know. maybe. the answer is we may. i have to talk to the president about it. >> the staffing changes coming two hours after two bombshell reports about whether the president's lawyers are trying to sabotage robert mueller's russia investigation. we'll have a lot more on that ahead. we start with kristen welker at the white house. she was there in that meeting. tell me what went down. >> reporter: this marks a major reset for this president, for this administration. this is the president signaling he wants to change course in terms of his communications team. he appointed anthony scaramucci to serve as communications director. before we get today headlines, let me take you behind the scenes and give you the back and

forth over this decision. anthony scaramucci is a hedge fund guy. someone who is good at business. the decision to make him commune k indications director got a lot of push back from steve bannon, sean spicer. he said this would take it in the wrong direction. i'm told he was happy with the direction the communications team was heading in when it came to rolling out those big policy initiatives they are looking at. he felt as though anthony scaramucci would move things in the wrong direction. that's why he decided to resign and then you had the statement coming out from reince priebus' spokesperson saying he is 100% behind this decision. we know behind the scenes he was advocating against it. who was pushing for this move, ivanka trump, jared kushner. they feel as though he will shake up the staff and turn it

around. you heard some of them. he said he loves the president's broader policy goals messaging. you can tell he feels very, very dedicated to this president and the mission overall. the question remains is he qualified to do the job. he got asked a lot of questions about that as well. he insists he is capable of doing this job. he says communications has been a key part of what he's been doing for a number of years now. this is no different. he even apologized for referring to president trump then as a political hack at one point. he says the president reminds him of those comments every 15 minutes. one of the things that struck me is where we start this conversation. the fact that this was an on camera briefing. he said i'm going to answer all of your questions. he didn't get to every single reporter, but he got close. he's not afraid to get into the fray and answer tough questions. that might be what the president

thinks he needs now as he deals with the headlines over russia and health care. >> let's see how it unfolds. thanks very much. scaramucci taking his first shot at the white house podium as kristen said. showering his boss with praise. >> i love the president and the president is a very effective communicator. the president has really good karma and the world turns back to him. he's a genuinely wonderful human being. we got closer during the romney campaign. i've seen this guy throw a dead spiral through a tire. i've seen him at madison square garden with a top coat on and sitting foul shots. he sinks three foot punts. i love the president. i think a lot of you guys know i've been very loyal to him. >> okay with me george wilk,

eugene robinson. he loves the president. he's got great karma. he's a great athlete. he's got a wonderful apartment. george, my friend and colleague, stephanie said it's not about the messenger. the problem is the message, not the messenger. >> of course. in 1962 when the new york mets were an expansion team composed of the rejects of other teams they were on route to losing a 120-game and the manager said can't anyone here play this game. this administration right now is the 1962 mets of politics. what you do in baseball when the pitchers can't pitch and the hitters aren't hitting is you fire the manager. not that it makes particle of different but it's the one thing you can do to change the face of franchise and give the fans a sense of progress and a new

beginning. when things are going bad, but they say things are going wonderfully but we're not communicating how splendidly we're doing. >> that's what scaramucci said a couple of times on the stage. when reporters were critical about a white house, he said it's not in chaos. we're doing well. to george's point, if you change the manager to assuage the fan, the man fan is donald trump. he seems to think that anthony scaramucci who comes from working class roots, self-made guy, he's wealthy and a new yorker can represent him better. i don't know where, to the public, media? what do you think? >> to himself, i think. you learned everything you needed to know about scaramucci when a reporter in that press conference asked about some of

the patently untrue things the president said that there were millions of illegal voters in the last election and as scaramucci said, if the president says it, there must be something to it which makes him decreases his usefulness to those who try to cover this administration. if that's his idea of being a communications director. that's not his job because donald trump is his own communications director and always will be. he likes scaramucci's style. he likes his loyalty. ivanka trump and jared kushner like his loyalty. it's like the family bringing in a wartime con sillier as they honkered down. >> the number of times he said i love donald trump, loyalty we know counts. to what degree does president

trump need to have people around him who are able to be critical of what he's doing and be able to sort of move forward with a reset, if a reset is on the books? >> well, a, there is a distinction usually drawn in life between loyalty and sick fancy and the clawing and embarrassing and tendency to overflatter is unseemly. loyalty is supposed to flow both ways in these transactions. so far mr. trump seems to not let it flow down. sean spicer, i don't know what the president waoblem was. it's not his fault the russian investigation is proceeding. he has nothing to do with the health care problems on capitol hill. it was not an exercise in loyalty for him to be, let's say forced out. >> it's made in america week.

happy made in america week. >> same to you. >> this is one of the several weeks where you would think under normal circumstances things would be laid out every day. the president would be speak of those things, but again it gets buried under the weight of the president's own discussion inducing tweets about russia and whose right and whose wrong. the messaging is they can't stay on a message. it would be interesting to talk about worker problems in america, but we never goat. >> they departmenidn't to that k because of the collapse of the health care reform effort. on wednesday the president gave this extraordinary interview to the new york times which is a document that i think scholars will be trying to parse out for

years to come. it was just all over the map. nothing about made in america. it's very typical for this administration. they say we're going to focus on x this week and it goes through the whole rest of the alphabet. >> the issue with a dysfunctional white house or white house in chaos, which scaramucci denied, sarah huckabee denied. sometimes the person is a strong manager with a great deal of experience. someone with great experience dealing with congress or someone who is a concilliator. you have reince priebus and steve bannon on the same side. he's walking into a snake pit that was already a snake pit. to what degree is that something

that's fixable. >> it's not fixable within the communications operation. it's fixable if you don't have what they do have and what the president is comfortable with is a completely flat executive administrative part of the white house which means no one is leading and everyone is throwing elbows and fighting their fights by leaking to the press. just one example. early in may, first week of may the president said the infrastructure program will be out in two, maybe three weeks perhaps earlier. well, august is at hand, and it's not there. that's no one's fault except the president's. >> we would love nothing more than to be able to be discussing the merits of trinfrastructure. a matter that shouldn't be partisan. it's not partisan in that everybody wants it to happen. tax reform, again, political differences but people agree there needs to be tax reform.

yet there's no material movement on major legislative initiatives. there's a lot of talk about how much legislation this president is signed. none of it is really meaningful. >> right. this president is allergic to policy. he declines to get -- to become knowledgeable about policy in ar any of the areas you just mentioned or really understand how health insurance works. he doesn't seem to quite get it. since george said there's no hierarchy organization in the white house. there's no one deputized and given the authority to do that in his stead. he just wants victories. you can't get victories absent any substance. he's not a president of substance. >> gentlemen, good to talk to you.

thank you for being with us. have a great weekend. >> you too. okay. we're going to continue this conversation. we're going to dig into the other huge story we're following. what the house is saying today about reports that president trump is thinking about his pardon power. is the president trying to sabotage the special counsel's investigation? the kremlin startling new line about vladmir putin's meetings with president trump. >> there is also room where they get together before the event starts. they might have met even much more than just three times. >> is he being serious or toying with us? is the core base with him? if so, is there breaking point? we'll get some answers. this is a story about mail and packages.

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is he considering pardons for figures in the russia investigation and does the

president believe he has the power to pardon himgs? >> i'd refer you to the comments made by the outside counsel. the president maintains pardon powers like any president would. there's no announcements or planned announcements on that front. >> that's sarah huckabee sanders saying the president had no planned announcement on pardons. this issue after the washington post that president trump's lawyers are looking to undercut robert mueller's investigation and even discussing the president's authority to grant pardons. one of president trump's lawyers told nbc the washington post report is not true and the president's lawyers are cooperating with mueller. if he isn't planning to cooperate, members of the president's own party say he needs to let mueller do his job. >> i have 100% confidence that bob mueller will conduct a thorough and fair investigation. i believe it's in the best

interest of the president and the country for him to be allowed to do his work. that's what i think he's going to do. >> if he fired bob mueller, i think he would see a tremendous backlash response from both democrats but also house republicans. >> robert deets is a former counselor to the cia and general counsel at the nsa. clint watts is a former special fbi agent. thanks to both you have for being here. robert, let me start with you. i want to play the recording, part of donald trump's conversation that he had with the new york times on potential conflicts that bob mueller has that might be the basis for some objection that donald trump has to him. let's listen together. >> did you know mueller was one of the people that was being interviewed? >> i did. >> he was sitting in that chair. we had a wonderful meeting. >> the day before. >> did he want the job? >> of course. he was up here. he wanted the job. i said what is this all about.

talk about conflicts. he was interviewing for the job. >> so, robert, this is about the fact that president trump spoke to bob mueller about the job of leading the fbi. a job he's had in the past. he is now suggesting to the new york times that that presents a conflict in his investigation into russian interference in the election and any relationship the trump campaign to that. in your mind, can you figure out where that conflict would lie? >> no. there is no conflict. the conflict traditionally involve family members, monetary conflicts and so forth. this idea would get nowhere with anybody. >> clint, what is the reputation, as far as you know, you were an fbi agent, what kind of reputation did bob mueller have in the intelligence community and the fbi? >> he had an outstanding

reputation. it was so good that's why president obama asked him to stay past his ten-year term. this is ridiculous. president trump probably offered an invitation to director mueller to come and talk to him about maybe taking over as the fbi director. how could he claim that's a conflict if he probably asked mueller to come to the white house. he was probably trying to serve the president and then -- >> you can't imagine that mueller invited himself to the white house? >> no. he's already been the fbi director for more than a ten-year term. he served under two presidents. he's considered a non-partisan, very honest person who follows things by the letter of the law. that's why he was picked to be the special counsel. that's why he's the best person to do it for this country. it's ridiculous to say this is compromising him to do this investigation with regards to the russia scandal. >> robert, we've done a lot of studying today.

ari, has been doing a lot of work because he's a lawyer and experienced in these things to what a president can do with respect to pardons. presidents can issue pardons before there's been a charge that's been made. senate intelligence committee hearing on june 13th, mark warner asked attorney jeff sessions about the possibility of issuing pardons. let's play it. >> have any department of justice officials been involved with conversations about any possibility of presidential pardons about any of the individuals involved with the russia investigation? >> mr. chairman, i'm not able to comment on conversations with high officials within the white house. >> at some point, if the white house keeps sending out the signal there's nothing to see here. they call it russia fever and a media that is obsessed with

russia, these two things don't seem to go hand in hand. the conversation about pardons. the conversation about looking into bob mueller's associates and his history to undermine him along with there's nothing to see here. >> i agree. i was really surprised about the whole conversation about pardons. my assumption, i think many people's was the worst that could come out for mr. trump and this russia investigation were perhaps some embarrassing social or business arrangements. by talking about pardons, you're basically accepting the notion that the president may have some legal jeopardy and to me that is a really, really important development. >> let me ask you, clint, you know what bob mueller's work is in this investigation. it's not entirely dissimilar to what an fbi investigation would be. he's got slightly different powers but he's got the normal powers. he can subpoena, interview,

request information, does any of this nonsense swirling around affect his ability to do his job to the best of his ability? >> i think he will completely tune it out. i think his team is rock solid and they will circle the wagon and keep things close and run a professional investigation. any discussion of pardons at this point, we're six months into this administration and talking about pardoning people. any discussions of pardon is admission of nervousness or guilt. whether that's somebody associated with the campaign or part of the administration is very concerning. i even think for trump's most loyal supporters, when you talk about pardoning, you're talking about trying to relieve something of cull pa blt of violating the law. i don't think that works with either party, democrat or republican. >> good to see both of you. thank you both for your time. have a great weekend. >> thank you. just ahead, new details about the russian lawyer.

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photographed shaking hands. that's my question. did they meet other times in the hallway. >> when you're brought by your parents to kindergarten, do you mix with the people who are waiting in the same room to start going to classroom? >> it's the g-20, not kindergarten. >> there's a room where they get together an event starts. they cannot arrive at the same time. they might have met even much more than just three times. >> they might have met even much more than three times. that is tannalizing and juicy and he had toilet humor in there. he's not exactly taking this issue seriously. meetings like this in the political environment in which we exist are obviously a serious issue roeuters reporting that they countered russia's fsb

security service among her clients for years and successfully represented the fsb's interest between 2005 and 2013. remember putin ran the fsb. testifies the director and a kgb agent before he became president. joining me is former ambassador to russia who always helps us sort out, separate the weak from the chaff. the issue here is that he's not wrong. there are places that world leaders meet at events like this. this is not even like davos where there's regular folks and media hanging around. the movement in place like g-20 is controlled oopd it's entirely possible that these two leaders had other occasions to encounter each other. >> that's right. i attended several g-20 meetings as a white house official and then as ambassador with president obama. they are designed to have social time. that's normal. in fact, i would say that's good

that heads of state meet. what's unusual about this particular dinner just underscore is to play on sergei's metaphor, you're supposed to play with everybody. you're not supposed to just have favorites. president trump spent so much time with one guest, not the host, but one guest that other guests at that meeting, it wasn't us, it was other guests were so concerned that they decided they need to tell the world about it. what's unusual about this interaction. >> ambassador, this is, he's the russian long standing foreign minister. the boss of all the ambassadors. he's a diplomat extraordinare. he said in the interview they are watching what's going on in the united states. the fight that is going on between donald trump and the establishment. i think he realizes that every time he says something like

this, the media is going to chase its tail to find out whether there was another meeting and what he meant. >> well, he's playing with us. i know him well. i worked with him for many years obviously his little comment about the toilet is playing with us. i also found his comment at the end of one of the segments where he said we're on the side of justice to be highly ironic. the truth is they had high expectations for the kinds of concessions that they were going to be able to obtain from a trump presidency. they were overjoyed that he won and we're six months in and they started to get some dribbles. we now have cancelled the cia operation in syria. that's a concession, in my opinion towards russia. they thought they were going to be a lot farther along than they are now. i think you heard a bit of that in the way he answered those

questions. >> if that's the goal, donald trump remains their best chance to do that, so why -- what's a better way of doing this than potentially embarrassing donald trump or causing us to have to ask the white house whether or not there were more meetings with vladimir putin, particularly the dinner it would have been disclosed or some read out or mention of the fact that the two leaders met and had chance to have some social time together. the fact we have to continue to uncover these things does lever one to wonder what's going on. >> i agree. it's not so much the flippant comment, but our side. why didn't we read it out? i read out many meetings that president trump had. i would have said they sat down for an hour and president trump pushed back hard on x, y on these different issues. that would have been a very logical thing to do rather than

to pretend the meeting didn't happen. >> the par bar is low. we would have been happy with a read out that said there was a meeting. they ate dessert together. good to see you sir. we're not going to be seeing sean spicer around the briefing room but can the white house change the message with a new messenger? that's up next. when you have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, the unpredictability of a flare may weigh on your mind. thinking about what to avoid, where to go,

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spiez spicer is out after just 182 days. compare that to prooefrs secretaries who spent 1,062 days in office. spicer is the most well known press secretary in recent history. he made mark on day one talking about crowd sizes and his daily press briefings quickly became must see tv. >> this was the largest audience to witness an inauguration period both in person and around the globe. i understand. >> is he confused or you confused? >> i'm not confused. you don't get to just yell out questions. we're going to raise our hands like big boys and girls. i'm sorry that disgusts you. you're shaking your head. you're asking me a question and i'm going to answer. please stop shaking your head again. >> do you think should be concerned that the president posted somewhat of an incoherent

tweet last night and that it stayed up for hours? >> no. the president and a small group of people know what he meant. blake. >> wait a minute. >> what is covfefe. >> blake. >> there are reports that your role is changing at the white hou house. >> i'm right here. >> spicer set a tone for the white house. he was the most visible messenger. his departure creates a host of questions about what comes next. does it make a difference that anthony scaramucci had a fine hour. sarah huckabee sanders came up and gave the same answers. we don't get these briefings all that much. is the messenger the problem? >> that's a great question. as you mentioned, sarah huckabee

sanders has been doing some of the briefings. she will continue to. this is first televised briefings since june. sean spicer was giving them for a number of months and they were televi televised. i don't think sarah huckabee sanders will draw the same kind of crowd and numbers that sean spicer did. she does do it every day and does it in a televised way. she doesn't answer many questions. they're not very useful just like spicer's briefings weren't useful. if anthony scaramucci were briefing every day, maybe we would have a whole different scenario. maybe they will roll him out once a week or something. i think he did a pretty good job today, all things considered. he has a much different relationship with the president. that clearly helped. he has more confidence up there because he and the president like each other. spicer did not have that kind of relationship with the president. >> paul, i guess part of the question in years gone by, press secretaries would give responses, policy responses to

questions. they would give you some sort of insight. you had some sense they had some connection to the president and you were hearing the president's thoughts and ideas and plans through them. to erin's point, you get a lot of i can't take that question. i haven't spoken to the president about that. there's a lot of non-answering. there's a lot of reporters doing their job asking questions so their bosses are pleased and a lot of non-responses. >> for any spokesman in this administration you're printing out leaflets and standing on the street corner to hand out the daily message of the administration while your boss is driving an ice cream truck around you with a loud speaker screaming the former president tapped my phones. there's no way you can compete with that message or that messeng messenger. since you don't know what he's about to say, you're just sort of guessing. this is the worst job in washington. you have to spend all day long

providing non-answers to questions that you're not sure the president has an answer to yet and you're stuck. you know you're stuck. >> anthony scaramucci suggested and we know the president feels this way, if somebody could get the messaging straight, it woultd be better with the public or kbleemedia. there's a lot of people who say the messaging is not the problem. maybe it's a bit off and to paul's point could be more effective and more koorcoordina but even that doesn't solve the problem. >> yeah, there's a lot of friction in this white house. all these competing power centers. maybe with anthony scaramucci this place, what if they streamline the office of the white house and communication shop and get people more on one page kind of. we have a lot of former rnc

staffers who came in with spicer who maybe aren't that experienced. if you bring in scaramucci and people closer to him, i know what you're saying. maybe he can talk to president trump and change the way he does that. who knows. it's worth seeing what happens over next month. it might be a better situation for everyone. >> it might be. can't be much of a worse situation for everyone. let's keep an open mind about the whole thing. we wish sean spicer very well. we wish sarah huckabee sanders well in her new role as press secretary. thanks s ts to both of you. i want to do something -- i want to play something that not a lot of press secretaries got to enjoy as much and that's the treatment and attention that they get from comedy shows like saturday night live. watch this with me.

>> i'm here to swallow gum and i'm here to take names. first of all, i just like to announce i'm calm now. you you don't have a chance. i promise i'll talk better. this is like a god father when you kiss me and no one ever sees me again. >> yes. >> all right. we'll leave you with that in good fun. coming up, the russia stories are piling up, but are they having an affect on president trump's biggest supporters? are they sticking with him or is his base starting to crack? we'll examine that on the other side. we're on to you, diabetes. time's up, insufficient prenatal care. and administrative paperwork... your days of drowning people are numbered. same goes for you, budget overruns. and rising costs, wipe that smile off your face. we're coming for you, too.

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my people are so smart. you know what they say about my people, they say i have the most loyal people. i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters. it's incredible.

>> it's like incredible. candidate donald trump boasting about the devotion of his supporters. it's fair to say that devotion has been tested. it's been bumpy at times, rocky even. more upheaval with the resignation of sean spicer and from the start the russia investigation has been a cloud over the president. yet, we still see a core base that is sticking by him. in a recent washington poll, abc poll, abc washington post poll, 25% say they strongly approve of the job donald trump is doing. a recent ppp poll shows that 22% say the president is right. they would still support him if he shot someone on 5th avenue. okay. let that sink in for a second. i got two people to have this conversation with you.

steve, let me start with you. is that weird that 22% of donald trump supporters say they would support him if he shot someone on 5th avenue? >> i think you have to understand who his supporters are. his cult of personality are those people saying he could shoot somebody, i just want to live vicariously through this guy. then there's his base that isn't as invested as what is my alternative. democrats are saying insolvency, bake the cake bigot and more obamacare. if that's my other option then i guess i just stick with trump because i don't have any place to go. i think that's where 80 to 85% of people who voted for trump find themselves. >> this is an interesting distinction.

>> i think it's useful distinction. i agree with the general summary that basically the solid for president trump right now. and the russia thing is a surprisingly low concern. and part of the reason is because people hear so much about it elsewhere. when they turn to a talk radio show like mine, people are, they want to hear about something else. now president trump is in real danger right now. if he fails on health care, if he fails to make progress on taxes, if he mails to deliver on conservative reform, that will matter. but the idea of the russia connection dissolving his base, or causing an atrophy of his response, his support, i don't think that's a real threat. and it relates to this idea of shooting someone on fifth avenue. it is a hypothetical when people ask about that.

if you actually have a real case where you have a real dead body, then people would be concerned and i think it is the same thing with the russia thing. if you show here's proven collusion -- >> is it possible though, steve, your radio shows are not gleaning the same, not coming to the same conclusions that some other media are coming to, why would the president be talking about pardons? why would they be talking about interfering in bob mueller's investigation? stuff that we spend time asking questions about. do you spend as much time doing that? >> i try to keep my audience informed on those things and what's going on. so yes. but you have to understand that we had a precedent in the 1990s. we caught the president he red handed. we were cutting taxes, we had balanced budgets and a lot of americans were like, if the dude is white, why do i care?

i got a job that's working out for me. and i think what we are missing here is the solidity of trump's base is not because of adoration of trump. that's his cult. it is because of how low they regard the opposition and how low they esteem politicians in general. if trump does the things michael just said, we could have 4 k proof, 4 kmpbl resolution that putin handed a cashier's check to trump and most of his voters won't care. if he doesn't, man, this is what you get when you get a guy colludes with the russians. he has to deliver on governing. >> there's an interesting, i don't know. my statistics indicate that it is trump's base. you can distinguish between whether they're a cult or base but 62% of trump voters believe that millions of illegal votes were cast in the 2016 election. that's a uconn poll taken in

december 2016, after the election, before the inauguration. the same poll showed 52% of trump voters believe president obama was born in kenya. so so there are two pieces of information both can't be true and yet half of trump's supporters believe these things. how does one have that conversation? >> first, i don't buy the polls. i do not believe that trump voters believe president obama was born in kenya. because trump himself finally rejected that. it is clearly not true that trump's voters are overwhelmingly people without education. this is one of the things that solidifies his base. when you say the only people support president trump are knuckle draggers, losers,

uneducated. of course people had are attacked that way will rise up against the opposition and go against anything. that's why it is serious americans who have just come to different conclusions about what the real problems of the country are and the right way to go and solve them. >> steve, is that doable? are we talking past each other or is it possible to have a conversation where we are not insulting each other's intelligence? >> i don't know. i think one of the issues we have is it is more commercially viable in partisan politics. there's more consumer demand for that sort of rhetoric he than ever before. you can cash in on it. and that profit incentive is a mighty powerful one. >> we'll leave it there. thank you for this conversation. are thank you. coming up, a big announcement coming but that

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okay. as you might have heard, there's a big change coming to this time slot. the beat with ari melber premiers on monday 6:00 p.m. eastern. those of you who know him know that's a double entendre and you will understand it very well if you stick with this time slot. he's been all over the network the past few years and we have a

quick rundown of him reporting in the field. >> i would imagine people are running behind you at the supreme court steps. >> reporter: we have read from the bench. there is a right to marriage equality. >> reporter: do you know who this is? he has a hearing on monday. gorsuch. >> reporter: do you think the senate should confirm? >> i have to hear more about him. >> we're talking about this at a bar in new york. a woman couldn't be at a bar alone in new york. the cultural concept of being boss. jay-z famously said i'm not a businessman. i'm a business, man. i said stop, collaborate and listen. >> doesn't it drive you nuts where in the last minute ari melber drops a bomb where you would like to do another ten minutes just on that. >> he is a consequential man, this melber fellow. >> so we heard ice cube he

references, jay-z, you're starting to understand what it means. there will have to be some music in the show. we'll be watching the new show, the beat withari melber at 6:00 p.m. eastern i'm ali velshi tomorrow at 12:30 p.m. spicer splits. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm steve corn actikornacki in matthews. he was mocked by saturday night live and other late night shows. his daily briefings became a form of must-see television these last few months. his performance at the podium was reportedly criticized by