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reserve. the steel valley, those of us from #theland. ryan is a graduate of this famed institution, john f. kennedy high school, which is also my high school. ryan played quarterback a few years after graduating from kennedy. i did not. ryan, you may recall, challenged nancy pelosi to be the house minority leader earlier this year. thank goodness he lost and house liberals returned her to her job. i think ryan would be well along in collecting democrats to their blue collar union roots and may be sitting on special election wins right now, not an unbroken record of losses since president trump took office. president trump knows this area of the country and this demographic was crucial to his victory in 2016 and his base of support even today which is why, come tuesday, president trump will be back again in northeast ohio at the ka velly center in youngstown, to be specific, at

4:00 p.m. on tuesday. >> welcome congressman tim ryan and go eagles, good to see you. >> blue pride, hugh, thanks. >> congressman, do you think there's a single democrat not named joe biden who could fill the cavelli center who can fill it like president trump will fill it on tuesday? >> i'm sure barack obama probably could. that probably will be it at this point. >> what does that say about -- by the way, do you think those people who will turn out to be president trump on tuesday also voted for tim ryan. you think there are a lot of trump-ryan voters out there? >> well, hillary got about 51% in my district and i did in the 60s, i think the mid 60s this time. so there was i think a 15, 16, 17-point delta between the hillary voter and the tim vieian voter, and those were trump and

tim ryan voters. no question about it. a lot of working class people who feel the democrats aren't quite connecting to them. >> that is who interests me the most. who are those people and why does your party seem to have such contempt for them? >> i don't think there's contempt for them. i think we have gone down this road of what i call the over consulti fication of the political process, this micro targeting of voters where there's no message. we got in the habit of talking to latinos about immigration and african-americans about voting rights and women about choice. once you go down that road, then you're splintered. what you need in order to win, and i think the one thing trump did well is to have a big, broad, bold, economic message. he was talking about a trillion dollar infrastructure bill, expanding health care through medicare and medicaid, bringing

costs down for people. the problem, hugh, is he hasn't delivered on any of those things and he's actually moving in the other direction. so that's the real problem with trump. he got the marketing piece right. he's not doing anything policywise to help him. that's why he's coming back to get on the marketing tour again in youngstown and get the rhetoric going. we need some action here. we need some help. >> let's stick with your party for a second, congressman ryan. joe crowley is the chair of the house democratic caucus. this week he got asked what's the core message and he said, quote, that's being worked on. it's july, congressman ryan. when is it going to come out? >> there's a lot of us, we have a re message. it's wages, it's jobs, it's growth. it's not having a party that's hostile to growth in business because we need those people to make investments and hire our people. it's about lowering health care costs. the bottom line about the new democratic party in my mind,

hugh, is we're about putting money in the pockets of people, whether it's increasing their wages or lowering their health care costs or lowering their energy costs. we're about putting money in the pockets of average people. i've been working the district now the last few days back recently. that's all people want. they want a shot, they want a job, they want a good job. sometimes -- and this is a criticism i have, that we get too focused on the minimum wage. we're all for an increase in the minimum wage, but that's not the aspiration of the democratic party. the aspiration of our party is for working class people to make 25 or 30 bucks an hour, have a solid pension and affordable health care, and enough quality of life, enough time off to have a little fun, to make sure you get to your kid's soccer match of baseball game. to me, at the end of the day, that needs to be part of our agenda, too. >> how many people are walking up to you in youngstown, tim ryan, and talking to you about russia? how many are saying,

congressman, i'm into the russia thing. >> i spent the entire day here yesterday, hugh, in youngstown, akron, basrberton and not one. the russia issue is very important. that's not to diminish the issue. the two committees in the house and senate headed up by publicans. mueller's investigation is critically important and central to our democratic process, no question about it. but we need to focus on jobs, economy, health care because back in places like youngstown and barberton and akron, ohio, people are talking about jobs, wages an growth. >> let me ask you about the leadership 06 your party. elizabeth warren, joe biden, nancy pelosi and elizabeth warren, these are not spry young faces on the stage out there. when do you turn the page, congressman ryan -- i heard you say you're not interested in challenging nancy pelosi again. it looks like your party has to turn a page to a new generation of leadership. do you agree with that?

>> i don't think there's any question. i'm still being very vocal. i'm still traveling, still going on tv. i'm personally trying to go to places that democrats haven't gone in a long, long time. i'm going to be in kentucky, i'm going to be in mississippi, i'm going to be in alabama. i was down in south carolina. i'm one younger member trying to go to these places to reconnect with our party. we have young stars like hakeem jeffries and seth mouton and joe kennedy. we've got young stars coming up and they're starting to get more and more profile. we're starting to turn the page. hugh, you're a cleveland browns fan. these transitions take some time. >> i hope the democrats' transition takes as long as the browns. let me ask about kamala harris, amy klobuchar, a couple of your superstars. i think they played well in the land. what do you think? >> no question about it.

meeting them, talking to them, they're very clear in their messaging. i think they come off very well. they're very grounded, very down to earth. i think they would be great candidates, no question about it. they're very, very smart and i think they're on the side of working class people. that's really the discussion we need to have. we don't need to concede progressive values in my estimation. i know, hugh, you may think we do. but i don't think we need to concede our progressive values in order to connect to people because at the end of the day, i think our progressive values economically are the things that will help those union workers get back to work. >> last quick question, tim ryan, do you think you need to concede that democrats have got to come out and talk to conservative media? you always show up on my radio show. i think sometimes the silos are pretty airtight for secretary clinton and the senior democrats. that don't like to mix it up and talk like this. what's your advise to everyone? >> we've got to do it. there's no question about it. i don't know if it was growing up in the area we grew up in,

hugh, where you had republicans in your family. you'd talk to them, you had civil discussions whether it was at our catholic high school where you had liberals and conservatives both in the faculty and on the staff and you could have these kind of conversations with. democrats need to go on other networks. democrats need to go on hugh hewitt radio and others who are going to give them a fair hearing. in all honesty, there are conservative talk show hosts, you go on and they don't allow you to talk and get your point across. you're certainly not like that. when you look at a show, you say, maybe a conservative talk show, but maybe 30% are democrats. maybe 20% are independents. those are the people we theed to get back in the fold or convince them why our practical approach is best. you've got to go into hostile territory sometimes sf you're going to win over voters. we have to start making that happen more which is why i'm going to kentucky, going to indiana, mississippi and alabama. i believe if you go to those places and let people know you care about them and you're

concerned with their -- where they're at in the world and you want to help them and you want to present to them your plan on how you can help them, they're going to give you a fair hearing. then it's up to us to convince them that our positions are best. >> i'm so glad you lost, tim ryan. have a great weekend. stay well. >> it's always your friends that get you, hugh. >> coming up, what's next for the white house after sean spicer and the senate's gop health care bill. two of the beltway's best young reporters join me right after this break.

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welcome back. i'm hugh hewitt. white house press secretary sean spicer is on the way out and obamacare is still the law of the land. spicer disagreed over the hiring

of anthony scar much chi. now senator collins of main, mike, announced they would block the opening of debate on the alternative to obama, one that was backed by 47 of the senate's 52 republicans. these four republican senators with assists from republican dean heller of nevada and ron johnson unraveled it. what's left is, well, obamacare. absent some sort of legislative lazarus obamacare remains the law of the land. spicer's departure caused a lot of talk, but the senate appeals of republican power from 2010 forward is overturned. with it republican credibility as a governing party. joining me for autopsy and prof si are page winfield cunningham of "the washington post." she covers health policy and

hadas gould. welcome. big shakeup at the white house. i don't want to overlook the fact that sarah huckabee sanders joins perino and myers as a woman as white house press secretary, and that's a big deal. there are a lot of those. charmaine yost at hhs. are you surprised how many women are giving voice to the trump administration's message? >> not necessarily, especially if you look at the amount of white women who supported the president in te election. sarah huckabee sanders is the third woman to be the press secretary. there have been more communications direct torts, not as many. you have to remember, scar much chi is not going to be the one at the podium every day. >> how does she connect with you and everyone else inhe room? >> people say she still goes on these fake news rants against

the media. she's not as personally insulting as sometimes sean can be to reporters in the room. you didn't feel as much as the anger vibrating off of her as you did with sean. she's a little calmer presence. within the white house, she seems pretty well liked. >> all this coming and going in the white house, does it have any impact? would it have matter with anthony scaramucci would have been there in the last three weeks? >> trump has floundered along the way. he's been trying to get republicans on board. you saw him express frustration that they couldn't get the votes on the bill. the whole thing got more complicated because the parliamentarian is saying a lot of the parts of the bill can't even stay in. it's hard at this point to see a pathway forward. the white house is putting pressure on conservative groups to try to pressure conservatives. i think they realize this would be seen as a big loss and big walking back of some of their political promises if they can't make this happen. >> it's a huge loss.

how much is owned by president trump? i think it's on mike lee, rand paul. does mitch mcconnell have any magic left? >> it's hard to see at this point honestly. we're not even sure if he has the votes to start debate on this bill. senators left town really frustrated this week. they didn't know which measure, whether they'd be voting on a repeal only bill or repeal and replace bill next week. of course, you have senator mccain and we're not sure when he can come back which would be a crucial vote. >> did the republicans blow the messaging? they didn't spend much time at the white house or on the hill other than paul ryan saying it's a rescue mission, did they blow it? >> you have confusing message from the white house. sometimes you got the idea that the president preferred straight repeal. as sarah said yesterday, the president prefers repeal and

replace. there wasn't a clear message. while the president might have been involved talking to senators, talking to people on the hill trying to get them altogether. it didn't feel he was advocating for it as much as maybe he should be. perhaps something scaramucci can do, he talked about how he realize tld's a disconnect between the president and what the media writes about and hat the public thinks. as director of communications, that's going to be his whole goal. >> what do you see as the framing of why it is in such trouble? who is responsible in the world of a media reporter? who do you put the finger on as having killed the mcconnell deal? >> it seems to be the lack of an organizing principle, the lack of a clear push amongst everybody to get together and work towards the signing lar goal. it seems like everybody seems to be running around and doing their own thing. it's the democrats and other people who don't want to see obamacare repealed, are utilizing those weaknesses it

seems. ultimately it seems as though capitol hill seems to be most of the blame for this, not so much the white house because of their inability, as paige said, to get a vote on debate. >> autopsy, paige cunningham, who knows? who killed thecconnell compromise? >> you're going to see blame coming from all sides. the moderates are going to point the finger as conservatives saying they want to repeal too many protections for people. the conservatives say the moderates aren't willing to repeal obamacare even though they said for years they were going to. republicans aren't going to get away from this problem. even if they fail on a vote next week, they're going to have to do something about the marketplaces next year which are facing some trouble. they're going to have to do something about these cost sharing subsidies. the white house is going to have to be clear on whether it's going to enforce the individual mandate. this problem is going to haunt them for some time. >> senator hatch blamed mike lee, his colleague from utah and said he was surprised that mike lee can't be satisfied.

is that the one that's going to stick? mike lee was part of the cruz-lee amendment and suddenly he walked off stage right, way right? >> it was surprising when he was the one that came out against it. you're right, he and cruz had gotten together. they wanted to see a bill that brings premiums down. it's true that the bill they're considering would lower premiums to a degree in the future because insurers would be able to celiner plans. it's a little unclear why he chickened out at the end. the conservative groups were putting pressure on him to hold fast and say all of obamacare needs to be repealed. that's why they pushed for these extra opt-outs for insurers. now he's going along with this repeal-only idea. now mcconnell seems to be swayed by that and is considering bringing that to the floor. that probably wouldn't pass either. >> hadas, very quickly, how often do you see a senator, orrin hatch, take a whack at a senator, mike lee? that's not widely done when they're both in the same party and the same state.

what does that tell you? >> it tells me there's incredible frustrations within the republican senators right now and everything is bubbling to the surface. it seems like a pressure campaign. if you can't do it behind the scenes, then do it publicly. it doesn't look good for the republicans within the same state two are arguing with one another. when you need desperately everyone on board. >> paige winfield cunningham, hadas gold, thank you for joining me on this saturday morning. i'll be right back, america. stay tuned. where are we? about to see progressive's new home quote explorer.

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the lord willing, justice gorsuch will be there for three decades or more, protecting religious liberty and free speech and working to curb the power of unelected bureaucracy. you'll get tired of hearing me remind you of this, but it's the bottom line for many trump voters, and if it keeps up and indeed speeds up nominations to the federal circuit court, as good as justice gorsuch is, many conservatives will stand firmly by the president's side. second, the president and his team should layoff robert mueller, he's a fine public servant. he isn't biased or on a witch hunt. he's just doing his job. if there's no there there, and thus far there is no evidence of collusion between the president and his campaign and the russian attack on our election, then the president will be exonerated by an individual no one on the left can attack. finally, it's my view the president needs to do more one-on-one or one on two or three interviews on the record and not just with "the new york

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