the value of capital is to create, not just wealth, but things that matter. morgan stanley >> the president's not going to have to pardon anybody because the russian thing is a nonsensical thing. i was there early on in the campaign. i didn't have any interactivity with russians. i didn't see anybody have any interactivity with russians. it's a complete bogus and nonsensical thing and this is the stuff that happens in washington that i don't like. it's scandals incorporated. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." anthony scaramucci, the new head of the white house communications shop and perhaps the trumpiest hire in trump world yet is making the sunday news show rounds. part of scaramucci's to do list is pushing back on the news that

trump, who is facing intensifying russia investigations, has asked his advisers about his power to pardon aides, family members and himself. the u.s. constitution says the president has the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the united states except in cases of impeachment. but whether a president can pardon him or one day herself isn't answered in the constitution. the department of justices office of legal counsel did shed some light back in 1974 telling then-president richard nixon he did not have that power something historians like making beschloss says nixon never considered anyway thinking the idea dishonorable. facing impeachment nixon resigned instead perhaps assuring that his successor gerald ford would pardon him which, of course, he did. as for donald trump. whether he will test the constitutional pardon power by trying it on himself is an open question but if he were to try could he get away with it? joining me is joan walsh of "the

nation," matthew miller justice and security analyst and former chief spokesman for the justice department, indira lakshmanan of the "boston globe." great panel this morning. anthony scaramucci was on "this week" talking about his time at harvard. >> would you take that meeting? >> since that's been overused -- would i have taken that meeting? i'm not sure. how's that? i'll answer it honestly and tell you i'm not sure. since i went to harvard law school i probably would have asked a few people and somebody would have said to me get a cutout to take the meeting and see if there's no legitimacy to it." once they realized there was no legitimacy, people were walking out or on their iphones, it's a non-event. >> here is laurence tribe's response -- okay, basically laurence tribe we an op-ed in

the "new york times" on friday in which he said nope, nope, nope, trump cannot pardon himself, the constitution tells us so. another op-ed was written in the "new york times" on july 7 by elizabeth holtsman, a democrat from new york, she used to be in house of representativess from 1973 to 1981. she served on the house judiciary committee during watergate and show wrote "going back to founder james madison, he said no man is allowed to be a judge in his own cause, self-pardoning presidents would be acting as their own judge and jury which no one is permitted to do in our constitutional scheme and she said it would stand in jarring contrast to the rest of the constitution. elizabeth was on "all in" with me on friday and let's play what she said in that vein. >> it's true, the constitution doesn't say the president can't pardon himself. but there's nothing in the constitution in the history of the pardon power that suggests

the president has power to pardon himself. it goes against everything in the constitution which is we are a government of limited powers. just think, if a president could pardon himself he could commit -- or she -- whatever monstrous crime he or she wanted to and exist with impunity. >> so mark alexander, dean of villanova law school, that has been the consensus view of a lot of legal scholars, that the president can't pardon himself. on the other side is jonathan turley, a libertarian attorney who says he can. who's right here? >> i think if the president were to try to pardon himself he would be placing himself above the law and that's been very well established in all kind of case law that no person is above the law. so if the president could just commit any crime and then pardon himself then he'd place himself above the law which is completely contrary to our constitution and our system of government so it would make no sense for him to have the pardon power extending to himself. >> he could commit a felony. he could commit treason as

elizabeth holtsman pointed out and pardon himself for it which seems nonsensical that that would be possible but we know, matthew miller, that politics does enter into even the legal counsel that presidents receive and walter shaub, who was an ethics official, he tweeted "in 1974 the justice department's office of legal counsel explained that nixon could not pardon himself but never underestimate the willingness of olc which issue it had torture memo plus nuclear weapon tiesed white house to revise its views when the white house finds the rule of law annoying." so whether or not the constitution says donald trump could do it, do you have confidence this office of legal counsel, which is a trump era office of legal counsel, wouldn't tell donald trump yes you can? >> no, partially because we don't have a senate-confirmed head of olc, we don't know who that person will be or what their views will be. itch confidence in the career people atolc but they're not the ones that decide. it's the head of the office which will be someone trump appoint sod there's a question

of what olc would recommend and the question comes down to what would people like anthony kennedy and jobt decembhn rober? this is a question that would go to the supreme court. you look at those two as likely being the deciding votes to say whether the president has this power or not. >> in addition to that, indira, you have don mcgahn, the white house counsel who didn't do so well in counseling donald trump to get michael flynn out. he's never worked in a presidential administration, his experience and his bent is about dismantling bureaucracy, he served on the fec, he's more of a campaign finance lawyer, a deeply libertarian person. what is the thinking about what kind of counsel he might give donald trump about whether to try pardoning himself? >> i think the question here joie is what we've been talking about that the president is doing things that are unprecedented. the fact that nobody has pardoned himself before or even considered perhaps pardoning

himself before, president nixon certainly talked about it and was told no you can't do that, that's not possible. donald trump has gotten away with a lot of things no other president has. think about the fact he has not released his taxes and no one has done that since jimmy carter. in case after case we can say donald trump has managed to do things. think about the fact that in january of 2016 donald trump said "i could go on fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose my base supporters." and he's pretty much been proven right on that fact. he's managed to go along and say this is just a witch-hunt and i think politically we've seen that far from being a wish hunt all of the best evidence we have as shown that russia has not only been involved in all of what went on in the 2016 election but that we found pretty much a coven in terms of the trump campaign's involvement and yet donald trump has been

able to continually deny it so i think we can't say anything is not possible. anything in this administration seems pretty much possible, joy. >> a coven that has put a spell on a lot of voters because we know there was an interview with a trump voter that was in one of these endless interviews to get into the psyche of trump voters who said "well, i guess if he shot someone in cold blood i might change my mind." one of the interesting things about this is you set aside the constitutional question. elizabeth holtsman suggested if donald trump were to try to pardon himself there would be a lawsuit which he would lose because the constitution is clear but at the same time there's the politics of it. i remember watching that roger stone movie "get me roger stone" that incredible documentary and it talks about donald trump's orientation and affinity for people like roy cohn who's kind of a mentor for him. for those who don't remember, he was senator joe mccarthy's red baiting consigliere, he sent the ros

rosenbergs to the electric chair for spying. and roger stone was involved with guccifer who says he was in communication with this hacker, he seems to see donald trump as rerunning the nixon play book but with a better nixon in his view. do you see around donald trump anyone in that orbit who would say "you know what, mr. president, this is a terrible idea and it's unconstitutional." >> i don't and i want to call attention to anthony scaramucci when he said "cutout." "i would have a cutout go take that meeting for me." the use of that word shows this is a person who is used to trying to get around laws. i would have an emissary take the meeting, i would have my assistant take the meeting but to say cutout means we're trying to hide what we're doing here but i would hide it and stupid don jr. didn't hide it. that's the level of person you're dealing with. beyond the circle, beyond the coven. what scares me is we talk about being a nation of laws but we're only as strong as the people we

have who are willing to enforce the laws and when you have a republican congress right now that seems so completely uninterested and unwilling to do its job in checking and balancing this off-the-rails president, it is why many people are starting to use the term "constitutional crisis." >> and then there's no confidence in what would happen at the justice department because jeff sessions is a trump loyalist. he's recused on russia but mark i wonder about this. there was a new york op-ed written by two university of chicago law professors who made this interesting observation. "if it could be shown that donald trump pardoned his family members and close aides to cover up possible crimes, that could be seen as acting corruptly and he could be charged with obstruction of justice. the question would be whether he was acting out of the goodness of his heart or covering for his family." we know bill clinton was investigated for the mark rich pardon, the justice department opened an inquiry that lasted four years investigating whether he was bribed to pardon mark rich, none other than james comey being the u.s. attorney

who was assigned the case so could bit that if donald trump tries to pardon not just himself -- not himself, put him aside, kushner, manafort, some of his aides to cover up a crime, could he be investigated for a crime? >> sure. if he were to pardon other people that could open up another set of questions it could open the question whether he's trying to obstruct justice and if you're trying to pardon somebody and there is an underlying problem that doesn't mean the investigation goes away, it means the individuals can't be prosecuted but if it was say jared or ivanka or some others they might have to testify because they wouldn't have the privilege against self-incrimination so the investigations could go on and on so just pardoning himself, even if not himself doesn't put an end to it, the previous point is who says s going to stand up if there is a problem. if the president exceeds what we conceive as being improper, going past the proper

boundaries, will the congress do its role in terms of helping to put checks and balances on the presidency? that's one of the big questions, the president, the congress, others. it's all part of a big system and for 200 plus years we've had this system and no one is bigger than that. >> so let's get to the press and the justice department. what should be the response? if donald trump attempts to pardon himself and hobbles the ability of the russia problems to go forward, what should be the press' reaction? >> i think the press is doing the right thing this is digging every single day and don't forget, joy, as you know, so much so what we know we know because of excellent investigative reporting. the president tried to say his son has been so transparent in releasing e-mails to do with this contested meeting don jr. had. the only reason he released the e-mails is because he knew the "new york times" had them and questioning about him and about to release them. the only reason we know donald trump is considering pardoning

himself is because the "washington post" figured it out there their shoe leather reporting and their sources so the press has to continue this. but i want to say one more thing about this whole pardoning question. there are other things that come before that step and that is that the president may well be considering firing bob mueller and then comes the question what is jeff sessions going to do? what is rob rosenstein going to do and what is congress going to do? are they going to take seriously their responsibility? >> you anticipate mid-next question. what would rod rosenstein do. who at the justice department can be counted on to enforce the law if donald trump gets rid of jeff sessions about puts another lackey who's not recused and who could fire bob mueller. >> i don't think we can count on anyone in the current justice department leadership to enforce the law. bob mueller is the key. he's the person you would expect to investigate if the president did inappropriately use a pardon, he would be the person to investigate but if he's not still there, i don't know we can have faith in political

leadership at the department. rod rosenstein had a great career as a very ropted prosecutor who everyone thought would be the one that would protect the departments' independence and integrity. we saw him aid and abet the president in firing james comey when he had to know what he was firing him for and after the president launched an unprecedented assault on the justice department, it wasn't just an attack on jeff sessions and rod rosenstein, it was an attack on the justice department's ability to decide for itself what to investigate and not to investigate. rod rosenstein had a press conference and didn't say anything to defend the department's mission, its independence, its integrity. so if you're looking for people inside the justice department in the political leadership to save us from donald trump right now, there's not a lot of evidence that anyone would do that. >> as joan said there's not evidence that anyone in congress on the republican side would do that. thank you to matthew miller,

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detectors, rejecting demands from the palestinian authority who has frozen relationships with israel from protest. the compound, which is also holy to jews, is considered the most contested site in the holy land. israel installed metal detectors and camera there after palestinian gunmen opened fire near the shrine on july 14, killing two israeli police officers. the government has banned muslim men under the age of 50 from even entering the compound. joining me is colonel lawrence wilkerson, former chief of staff to secretary of state colin powell. it's always great to talk to you. i am very interested in getting your take on what's going on. this does seem to be a near crisis situation if not an outright crisis. >> well, the pressure is building incrementally. bibi netanyahu and his government have been moving to make sure that the pressure builds, the tension builds. the ultimate goal with regard to the mosque is to drive the palestinians and arabs in general out completely. i recall when we were working

with then yasser arafat in ramallah in 2002 or 2003 as i recall a catholic bishop actually told me that the biggest enemy for him for christians in that region was not the arabs, it was the jews. so we have a real problem with this government. we don't have a problem with israelis in general but with this government which they don't seem to be able to rid themselves of. its ultimate goal is to cause the palestinians to react in a way that it can then react viciously and violently as it has in gaza repeatedly and reassert itself and essentially put the palestinians down. >> we know that annexation of the west bank and all of jerusalem has been a goal of the likud government, the current israeli government. jared kushner is supposedly in charge of this, in charge of middle east peace and i'm wondering if netanyahu's conception that they have a free hand now, a washington that

completely backs them up no matter what they do has an impact on the way the netanyahu government behaves? >> sad to say i think they had a free hand with ari sharon in the government and with george bush as the president of the united states. colin powell notwithstanding every time colin powell walked out to try to do something about it, dick cheney would cut the branch off or the president would cut the branch off and powell would be stymied. i don't think president obama did all that much in the eight years he was in office, either, and now we've got a president who clearly, as you just intimated, wants to let bibi netanyahu do whatever he wants to do and what netanyahu wants to do is have the golan, have the west bank, have anything else he can get his hands on permanently. >> and there doesn't seem to be anyone in the trump government pushing back on that. i want to put a map up. this entire region is rethreatening to go up in flames.

iran, which is, of course, the neighbor to iraq, the country we attacked during the george w. bush era. the obama administration was able to create an accord with the goal of reducing iran's drive towards nuclear weapons. foreign policy magazine now reports donald trump has assigned a white house team to target that deal, that i recertified that iran is in compliance but now several nsc staffers accord dog foreign policy magazine are expected to be involved including steve bannon, the alt-right white nationalist entity within the right wing and sebastian gorka whose associations include a nazi entity in his father's home country who are both regarded as iran hawks are supposed to take part. the idea that you would have the obama administration seeking to unwind the iran deal by finding ways ideologically to declare them out of compliance, what do you make of that? >> it's a very disturbing

development, joy. this is the most singular diplomatic achievement by the united states since george w. bush talked the rest of the world into accepting the reunification of germany and its retention in nato. monumental achievement and it's stopped iran from achieving a nuclear weapon. the only other alternative is war and invasion to eradicate the program. that would be a disaster would make iraq pale in comparison but that's where we're headed and you're right in assuming this team's ultimate mission is to undermine this agreement to make it look, if they can, like iran is in non-compliance with the nuclear agreement and therefore we have a reason to be in non-compliance ourselves when, in fact, we will have undermined it. >> so what do you make of the congress pushing through a sanctions bill that on the positive side sanctions russia for its interference on election but on the other side also sanctions iran? >> the congress has been recalcitrant in this regard all along. sanctions are not a very finely

hewed tool and in this case sanctions are going to be that which forces iran reluctantly, probably, but ultimately forces them to appear to be in non-compliance with the agreement because it's very clear in the agreement that sanction relief has to occur with regard to their nuclear weapons program. that doesn't mean we have to relieve sanctions on their terrorist efforts or on their mills efforts although those are kind of nonsensical, too, missiles in particular and we keep talking about them hitting europe and putting mills defenses at billions of dollars in europe and their missiles have 120, 200 mile ranges because they're concerned about what happened to them during the iraq/iran war when missiles flew from both sides so it's understandable what they're doing but the sanctions that are being contemplated and that might be put in place will be viewed by the iranians as a violation of the agreement and

rightfully so so this is one of the ways we're attempting to make it look like the iranians are undermining the agreement. >> i have to ask you one exit question as a member of the united states military, what you made of this exchange between donald trump the commander in chief and troops aboard the commissioning of the uss "gerald ford" yesterday. i want to get yourry action. take a look. >> by the way, you can also call those senators to make sure you get health care. >> calling on troops to call their senators and support his political ideas. what do you think? >> just another indication this man is grossly experienced. he's an amateur. he doesn't know what he's doing, he doesn't know the law, doesn't focus tom, doesn't know protocol. you don't tell your troops as commander-in-chief to do something political. i find it interesting he declared that gerald ford an almost $13 billion aircraft carrier as the instrumentality of american power. we're waiting, joy, for an american aircraft carrier like

the battleships in pearl harbor in 1941 to be sunk with all 5,000 hands on board and all the aircraft wing and everything else lost in one fatal swoop and what that will mean to the american people because this is a battle system, this is a naval battle system that, like the battleships in 1941 is looking for a place to sink. >> well this is also the president who handed vladimir putin a big win in syria by getting rid of our anti-assad program so he's an interesting fellow. >> and did you see general raymond's comments from the special operations command that at any time we could be asked out. he's right. we are not in syria at the invitation of the legitimate government of syria. russia is. so at any moment we could be asked to leave lock stock and barrel. >> it is a mess. it's always great to talk about that with you, sir, colonel lawrence wilkerson, thank you very much. up next, the great actor roll pearlman is here to help decipher trump's performs at the "new york times."

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donald trump is a man of many words -- often strange words and nowhere is his shall we say unique speaking style more apparent than in written transcripts of his interviews like the excerpts published by the "new york times" this week after the president granted an oval office interview to three reporters. allow me to read from one of those experts for context. trump was describing the recent trip to paris he took including a visit to napoleon's tomb with french president emmanuel macron. to quote trump "well, napoleon finished a little bit bad but i asked that, so i asked the president so what about napoleon, he said, no, no, no, what he did was incredible, he designed paris. the street grid, the way they work, the spokes, he did so many things even beyond and his one problem is he didn't go to russia that night because he had extracurricular activities and

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811 is available to any business our or homeownerfe. to make sure that you identify where your utilities are if you are gonna do any kind of excavation no matter how small or large before you dig, call 811. keep yourself safe. if you're a conservative republican -- if i were a liberal -- like, okay, that's why i always start went to wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, i have to give my credentials all the time because we're at a little disadvantage but you look at the nuclear -- we had our beautiful marines standing there bing, bing, bing, bing, we got them back. >> bing, bing, bong, bong, you know what that is, right? bing, bing. i love it. >> i don't know what that is. remember in 2015 and 2016 when we used to be shocked, amazed even by incoherent me yantderring, almost incomprehensible speeches by then candidate donald trump.

well, it's now 2017 and grammatically incorrect sentences and hard-to-follow monologues are a daily national occurrence but with trump giving an interview with the paper he loves to hate, the "new york times," we got bombshells the, president system willing his own attorney general, threatening a special prosecutor and dismissing his dinner chat with vladimir putin and we also got more examples of his bizarre word usage, like this comment on health care. "we have some meetings scheduled today, i think we have six people who are really sort of okay, they're all good people. we don't have bad people, i know the bad people, believe me, do i know bad people." . and with me now are two guests i hope will help me translate donald trump for our viewers, actor, award winning fabulous actor ron pearlman, author of the mem woir "easy street the hd way" and columbia university linguistics professor john mcwharter, author of "words on the move." maybe it's elitism and i'll start with you, john, to be weirded out by the way donald

trump speaks but it strikes me when i try to read what he's saying, it's very hard to understand it in print. >> the way he talks is very oral, it's not designed to be read and not something anybody would write. the truth is as disgusted by him as i am, the truth is a lot of us sound more like him than we would think, even on tv shows like this. context means a lot. he's not a careful speaker, he's just an ordinary barstool speaker. >> as an actor, ron, you're called upon to step outside of who you are and become someone else. have you ever encountered a character like donald trump? . this is him talking in a "new york times" interview. maybe i'll have you read it. i third have you read this. number three, we'll let you take advantage of your word stylings if you have your glasses on. >> i do not have any glasses. >> "i've had the best reviews on foreign land, so i go to poland and make a speech, enemies of

mine in the media, enemies of made are saying it was the greatest speech ever made by a foreign president, i'm saying man, they cover, you saw the reviews i got on that speech, poland was beautiful and wonderful, the reception was incredible." he doesn't sound like a president, he sounds like a tourist. >> i just wish more of it was garbled. there's zero coherence to any of it. >> but is he an every man or is an elite man? this guy, he brags he went to the best schools, he went to elite schools, he went to a private military school. if you were playing donald trump would you be playing an elite man or an every man. >> okay, so i don't know if you know this but i had this trip to france, i was just there with the head guy, what's his name? >> emmanuel macron? >> alfonso macromacrok ron. he narrowly beat le pen. i think she won. i think she won. i think she won.

but i mean, look, it's -- who knows? anyway, macron, great guy, great guy, never knew he was french, very hot wife. very hot wife. we're talking, we're talking and, you know, i -- all my properties i have this dessert, it's called the eclair, it's called the eclair, it's phenomenal, it has everything, it's like long, it's a little -- you know, the shape of it is very, very -- you know what i'm saying. and so -- and it has this chocolate on the top and it has something in the middle of it, i don't know what it is -- joy, i don't know if you know this. but anyway, i'm talking with my new friend alfonso mack ron and alfonso says to me, the eclair. [ laughter ] the eclair. and i didn't realize this but we have napoleon to thank for the eclair. that's -- the eclair is named after napoleon. [ laughter ] >> i think you're our next president of the united states . >> i am running in 2020.

>> you should. that is obviously very enticing to a lot of people. a quinnipiac poll, is trump level headed? 65% say absolutely not. is trump honest? no, man. 59% say he is not honest. is trump intelligent? yup, 57% say he seems intelligent to me. >> well, he would be a very intelligent villager somewhere living with about 200 people 20,000 years argue where everything is all about him and subjective impressions because there's no such thing as writing or history or science yet so napoleon designed the streets of paris rather than it being his nephew and maybe it was this and maybe it was that. maybe watergate had something to do with breaking into the dnc but it's all just hearsay. all of that makes perfect sense if you live in a village sitting in short pants about 20,000 years ago before there was such a thing as writing and print and

science and establishing things in black-and-white. he's a -- he might be quite intelligence but he would have to be a highly intelligent pre-neo-lithic villager, he's tragically unadorned? >> who, by the way, there was an actual guy, i don't know if you know this, i just learned this, joy, did you know this? 20,000 years ago there was a guy named bermuda -- [ laughter ] -- he was wearing shorts. you see where i'm going with this? >> i think i do! >> the odd thing about it is, we laugh about it and i guess it is kind of an elitist thing. i get mad when people say "following guests." i do hate it. it's next guests. those things drive we crazy but in america it's seemed extremely elitist to care about that. donald trump speaking the way he does and being very ordinary in the way he is is part of the reason a lot of people, particularly conservatives, like him. >> it helps get him elected. it makes him seem authentic. as far as i'm concerned, casual

speech is fun to listen to. listening to somebody who talks like trump, isn't it wall street in those holes and nons.e.c. we you are thes you know what a burn means. but he's president. he's saying important things. he's supposed to be making sense. you're supposed to wear a suit. he doesn't wear his linguistic suit or use his linguistic deodorant. >> this is another clip that's really interesting sounding than the "new york times" interview. this is "time" magazine, donald trump saying he's a very stable person. he said "i'm a very stable person. i'm so stable you wouldn't believe it. we need a strong tone and a compassionate tone, plus what ice up here, he said pointing to his temple. temperament is my strength, i'm not a fast tricker, i'm the opposite of a fast trigger but nobody is going to push us around." >> the other thing is he mashes in -- as you brilliantly did, ron -- different ideas that don't have to do with the question. did we just get too accustomed

to presidents who speak formally and well? not only barack obama but go back, when you listen to fdr speak it's a formal way of speaking, a very erudite way of speaking. even ronald reagan, his performative the sort of presidency was very official. >> even g.w. tried. >> hi tried. he tried and bumbled. >> but he was making an effort. >> he was trying. so the formal presidency. is it over? >> no, it's just temporarily on pause and i thank god there that there's a standard that is being -- is under siege. it's under assault and you know, it's inevidentble that this -- he has exposed something that is unacceptable in terms of the comportment of -- this is an incredibly distinguished position.

this is a position that affects not just everyone in the united states but everybody on the planet and we are being held hostage by something who has no core somebody who has no center, somebody who has -- who just will say anything to generate a response. that's reverse engineering. that's not what a leader is supposed to do and there's a reason why we've had 44 others and now him which doesn't resemble of the other 44 and there's a reason why hopefully in my lifetime and my children's lifetime we'll never see anything like this again. >> john, we've been talking about richard nixon in this recent moment and i'm struck wherever i listen to richard nixon how even he sounds like a man attempting to speak with honor and hold himself up in an honorable way. the way he speaks is also very formal, like a president, he was a cloth coat guy and i wonder if because as ron said it's one guy

out of 312 million people, he's our one avatar what happened to that need to have that person be a bit grand? >> it's interesting, nixon was similar to trump in many ways that have been discussed but he came before a certain time so even though he had a resentment of the elites he had a sense to present himself, to make a case he had to at least try to speak well and he learned to do it. he was a good speech maker off the cuff. he could speak quite fluently. the modern nixon doesn't feel that way because we became so much more informal after the late '60s. that was good in many ways but it means we have an electorate who don't care about the fact that the president can't rub a noun and verb together. it doesn't matter and in fact if he were more smoothly articulate for many of them it would make him seem less presidential, less appropriate and the fact is when

you point this thing out in my experience, you're often accused of being smug, things have changed. i don't know if that will change, the articulate president is no longer necessary. >> and it's sad because even george w. bush, the son of a president, felt that he had to pretend to be a rancher rather than a formal -- >> that was part of -- >> yale educated elite very wealthy man. he came across in his own mind he wanted to seem like a guy having a hamburger with you. >> and yet he had to make a speech when it was time wrads this person feels no need. >> no need to do it. thank you so much. this was fun. columbia university professor and daily beast contributor john mcwhorter and ron pearlman, great actor who you can catch in the premier episode of "startup" which is streaming starting september 28 on crackle. do not miss it, we love ron pearlman. coming up at noon, former federal prosecutor samuel buell joins my pal alex witt, my girl, to talk about pardons. see how informal we are? and in our next hour on "a.m.

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after being the sole member of congress after 9/11 to vote against the resolution to authorize military force, congresswoman barbara lee has been trying for years to amend or repeal it. relentless efforts suffered a new blow this week, after speaker paul ryan stripped away lee's repeal amendment. joining me, congressman barbara lee. you're a hero to so many people. they first came to know you from a speech you gave after the

september 11 attacks. i want to play a bit of it. take at that listen. >> september 11th changed the world. our kedeepest fears now haunt u yet i'm convinced that military action will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against the united states. this resolution will pass, although we all know that the president can wage a war even without it. however difficult this vote may be, some of us must urge the use of restraint. >> you saw it, it is a blank check, still in force. tell us about attempts to repeal it. what happened. >> this is a 60 word resolution that said any president can use force forever. so what i've been trying to do is get that off the books because this is a resolution, an authorization that's been used nearly 40 times in places

nonrelated to anything having to do with 9/11. i have been offering this amendment, on the appropriations committee. i do this every year in variety of capacity, and finally we were able to pass it three weeks ago, bipartisan voice vote came together. >> republicans voted for it too. >> republicans voted for it also. people think there's no bipartisanship, there's a lot of bipartisanship in what we do in congress, this is one example of it. after this amendment was put into the spending bill as it moves to the floor where we debate and vote, it goes through a process where the rules committee provides for the parameters for the debate, and in the middle of the night several days ago it just disappeared. 326 word spending bill. this was the only provision that was taken out. who knows how it was taken out. minimally, the rules committee should have voted to take it out. speaker ryan just said no. >> he just took it out.

>> did he explain why? >> no, no explanation. it doesn't make any sense because this was a democratic process. he exercised like he does, you know, in many ways, this one person rule is very autocratic, very undemocratic and very dangerous. >> you tweeted as much, that this is underhanded and undemocratic, the people deserve a debate. can you understand why paul ryan would put this kind of undemocratic process to work in service of this president who he doesn't seem to be especially close to, but sure does seem to carry his water. >> i don't know what the speaker is afraid of. and that's the point. is he afraid of members of congress coming together to debate an authorization to use force? minimally we should do our job. this is our constitutional responsibility. our brave young men and women deserve this kind of support and assistance and authorization or

not by their members of congress, so i don't know why he is missing in action like congress is missing in action. >> this is coming at a time you have a white house attempting to undermine the iran nuclear deal. does it scare you to think these are happening in confluence? >> it is terrifying. we know that it is important that we reduce and eliminate nuclear weapons throughout the world and this is extremely serious. when we look at north korea, for example, you look at iran, and president obama did the right thing. this iran deal is working. so we should not do anything that provides any effort or opening that would lead us closer to war. in fact, we should move forward, for instance, in what i am trying to do to look at ways to seek more diplomacy, more political solutions to our problems. >> and at minimum, congress should be weighing in. >> that's our job. missing in action. >> indeed. congresswoman barbara lee. always an honor to talk to you. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> happy to be with you. coming up next.

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the media has been so obsessed with russia. now, i'm a talk show host. i have opinions. i'm not a traditional journalist, i would be called an advocacy journalist. but when i look at issues like ukraine and the influence they tried to have on the election, as long as it's helping the democrats, that doesn't seem to get that much play, or the uranium 1 deal which i argue is a real russia, vladimir putin deal. they didn't seem to care much about that in the media. >> we bring you the weekly dispatch from what we call earth tube, where russia gate is no biggie, real villains of hillary clinton, barack obama and any media outlet not as beso theed as anthony scaramucci or the group at fox and friends. first up, earth 2's home office

led by sean hannity, who had outgoing white house press secretary on you do still love trump with all your heart interview friday. >> let me ask you about being on the podium. i have known tony snow, our own dana perfect even oh. from your perspective of being up there, the state of the media, we have fake news, phony stories, get advanced, blow up, russia, russia obsession. what is your assessment now six months and a day deciding to step down. >> mind you, hannity is still locked in an on-going verbal sparring match with fox news outlier sheperd smith about this comment about donald trump jr.'s evolving answer about the meeting to receive russia's help in the election. >> if all of that, why all these lies? why is it lie after lie after lie. if you clean, come out clean.

you know? my grandmother say when first we practice, oh what a tangled web we leave when we practice to deceive. the perception is mind boggling. >> this week, hannity responded. >> shep is a friend i like, but he is so anti-trump. went off on a rant last week. that's fine. but it's different. >> but today, team fox is back on task, helping with the rollout of trump's shiny new communications director. >> do you believe that the mainstream media deliberately puts out fake news about this president? >> there is some fake news unfortunately. >> joining me, president and founder of media group, and gabriel sherman, and jon ralston, thank you all for being here. on the issue of fake news, real news, et cetera, sheperd smith

did respond to hannity's comment on that radio show, this was the statement. sometimes facts are displeasing. journalists report them without fear or favor. maria, i assume you agree. >> of course we are supposed to be doing that. and joy, i watch a lot of fox news. my concern is that i mean it is a huge, huge topic. fear is actually one thing that they pedal in. it is a lot of the reporting they do based on this kind of fear. it is a narrative that we as journalists are not used to having a conversation. we are used to having conversations between journalists, among journalists, where we are seeing eye to eye. this is a whole other monster, and this is hard to say, right, this is propaganda. this is journalism. and we as journalists have to have a different conversation about how we deal with propaganda, which is why what shep smith is doing there is

actually fascinating because he is saying i'm still going to try to be in the sphere of journalism, but how do we talk about the fact that propaganda actively exists in our country today. >> and you know, fernand, sean hannity bills himself as an advocacy journalist, but he's also somebody that advanced conspiracy theories about the death of seth rich. not sure how much journalism there is in that, he is an open big fan of donald trump and an advocate. he was to receive an award named after william f. buckley, advocate or journalist in some ways, and it was denied him, he is no longer receiving the award. in part because buckley's son objected to it. source told cnn that he expressioned great display at the announcement the award would go to hannity who spent a great deal of time insulting incident lek trul conservatives, since. e

you worked in the world of talk radio. you know there's a blurred line that tells people what they're hearing is news but it is really advocacy. what do you think about the fact there's a core of conservatives, william f. buckleys of the world trying to resist it. >> joy, there are conservatives of conscience in the united states, folks like david french or rick wilson or others, but let's be honest, sean hannity is a propagandaist. delivering talking points as if drafted by putin himself. it is important in this backdrop. we had this weekend at the aspen institute. former cia director brennan, former national intelligence director clapper say the future of the government is at stake. why is that? because they're playing to the fact that we have a president of the united states in donald trump whose at the least guilty

of trees onnous behavior. maria said earlier, fox news acting akin to state propaganda network, it is not advocacy on behalf of a partisan president they get behind, it is willful deceit of the people. maybe i'm different, but just forgive me if i don't fall to my knees in rapturous praise of sheperd smith or chris wallace if they have a moment or two of conscience when they speak the truth about what's happening. i think if they felt as strongly as they do, they should resign. >> shep smith is seen as the outliar at fox news, he is the one guy who seems to be willing, and he managed to survive there doing it for that long, but to fernand's point, is that something he should be applauded for or is he someone willing to exist in that environment, despite the fact that he himself is trying to be honest. >> that's a question for shep and his conscience. i think the larger point is what is the mission of fox news.

we saw this, this is not a new thing. saw this during the bush administration when fox was sort of state tv. when the iraq war was going badly, roger ales said don't show segments about iraq. actively don't show the news because it is not helpful to their side. i think this is what the difference between fox news and journalism is. the news for them is does it help my side or the other. in their philosophy should only help the donald trump side. >> i have questions of ratings. i thought you were going to say it doesn't help ratings, you're saying it didn't help our side. >> politically. in a sense related because republicans didn't want to watch. primarily it was this narrative does not help republicans or george bush. >> ratings are stable. pew research studies show republicans only get their news from fox and breitbart, et cetera.

want to go to you, john. one of the other things you see, this is use, fox news is used against members of congress vulnerable on things like health care and pushed into supporting donald trump because they fear the base will rise up against them. fox has done a few things interesting this week. a letter from vice president mike pence, published on the fox website, just this morning, titled vice president mike pence, donald trump's triumphs are many, after only six months and he's just getting started. this about the first six months, fought every day to deliver on promises to the american people. at a historic pace, he has taken bold action. here is anthony scaramucci in one of his performances, he is performing this adoration of donald trump. keep in mind, he used to be a big time trump critic. >> i think he's got some of the best political instincts in the world and perhaps in history when you think about it. what i found traveling the country, they love him.

he has good karma, he is a wonderful human being, but i love the president and am loyal to the president. here's what i will tell you, i love the president. >> you have been reporting brilliantly about the dean heller situation, this vulnerable guy who on one hand his governor opposes the idea of taking medicaid from people, on the other hand his constituents watching fox news hear that kind of adoration. does a member of congress dare oppose and that's what's on fox news? >> i separate sean hannity from almost everything else on fox news. the clip you played of scaramucci, that could have been sean hannity talking in private. scaramucci will never take sean hannity's place as primary spokesman for donald trump. sean hannity seems to have some sort of internal personality crisis, i am not a journalist. he said i am an advocacy journalist. advocacy journalism is crusading for something like better treatment of the mentally ill or

something like that. sean hannity sees his job to defend the president at all costs and to be as someone else and many others said, as a propagandaist. it is as if george costanza is giving orders in the white house. remember, mr. president, it's not a lie if you believe it. >> and it is not just fox news. sin claire broadcasting is bigger than fox news. this is an organization that bought tribune media group for $3.9 billion in may. it gives the company ownership of enough local tv stations to reach 70% of american households. i want to play for our audience a clip of what they're forcing stations to air, and have now upped the number of these they want aired on the stations every week. boris epstein, the very propagandaistic surrogate during the campaign, bombastic guy, now

working for sin claire, clifrg th delivering this on broadcast tv. >> important to note it goes beyond stealing or miscounting. intentional voter registration is voter fraud. the president's commission has been established to come up with a factual, partial answer to that question. the state should do everything within their power to cooperate with the commission. and that's the bottom line. >> this is almost -- this is going out to potentially 70% of the broadcast viewing audience watching the news. >> yes. we have been talking about sean hannity this morning. my sources are in and around fox, say him and bill o'reilly are potentially in talks to take their shows to sinclaire. bill o'reilly has wanted back in the game. sinclaire wants to build the future of conservative media empire.

poaching fox's big names would do that. this is ground work for what i think will be the next conservative media platform in post roger ales era. >> i have to tell you, sinclaire has a presence in nevada. bought the nbc affiliate here in las vegas that i used to work for. i looked at my producer, had a program when that happened, i said we are not long for this station, month later they cancelled the program, not because i am not conservative but they only want to present one point of view. and it is happening to the station here and happening everywhere. listen, it's a very effective and in some ways a scary tool. >> you worked in a system in the radio world that was mostly right wing, had a bend. i mean does it concern you we may be going to a situation where nbc affiliates are owned by a clearly conservative

network that wants a state propaganda point of view there? >> joy, it is beyond concerned at the risk of sounding alarmist, i am the son of cuban exiles who lost their country to an authoritarian totalitarian dictator who one of his first acts was to slowly, methodical take control of cuban free media, make it state media. same thing took place a generation later in venezuela. venezuela, one of the freest societies of latin america is run by a dictator in maduro who one of the first things he did was take control of free media and make it state media. the fact it is happening, and let me be clear, it is happening in the united states, this is post coup behavior. amongst most terrifying things i have seen in my lifetime. i worry for my country and children. >> one thing for it to happen in cable. broadcast? that's a different thing.

>> it's interesting that he brought up authoritarianism. looking what happened in argentina, seeds we maybe have seen in venezuela, and what happens when you have a democracy where people vote for authoritarianism, which is fear of the other a sfrong man to basically come take care of it. the thing with fox news which will eventually happen, data shows no matter what they do, our country is becoming more black and brown and gay and et cetera, it's going to happen. the fox news viewers that they're hearing all this stuff, which is i heard people say now racist, that they're going to see this and say wait a second, my daughter married a mexican. my son is going out with a black gay guy. it is going to come smack them in their faces, thaegs what data shows where our country is going. it is going to take a long time

though. >> didn't even get to alex jones calling for civil war against anyone that opposes donald trump. that's how much there is. we didn't get to that. have to save it for another show. thank you so much. up next, why jefferson bow ri guard sessions could be in the congressional hot seat. details coming up. my hygienist told me to try... ...a mouthwash. so i tried crest. it does so much more than give me fresh breath.

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do you want sessions to come back to the judiciary? >> absolutely. >> do the republicans agree with you? >> i think chairman grassley does want him to come back. >> it appears the senate would like another word with sessions

following records that the russian ambassador said he spoke about campaign related matters with sessions which contradicts sessions' previous testimony. thank you all for being here. i start with you. this question of the judiciary committee. we know al franken was the person that jeff sessions was talking to when he answered misleadingly, according to al franken about whether he talked to any russians about the trump campaign. how likely that we'll see a second round with sessions. >> i mean, makes perfect sense that the committee wants him back. he is in a very perilous position. lost confidence of the president. that story was just devastating that he met or potentially met with kislyak to discuss campaign

related issues. he has a legal problem on his own hands at this point. he is going to navigate that. but certainly if he wants to come clean and reestablish his reputation, perhaps he should go up there. we've got the other two testifying this week behind closed doors. >> kushner and manafort. >> perhaps he can arrange a similar set up and get up there and tell them what he knows. but he's in a very bad position. strikes me he is basically on final days there. how does he stay in that job. >> extraordinary for an attorney general to be facing his own legal jeopardy, having done the same thing michael flynn did and getting fired for it, not telling the truth about who he spoke with. this question of whether or not he is on last legs as the attorney general, what are you hearing? >> i think conservatives for getting all of the stories this week about his conversations with ambassador kislyak. conservatives are very upset over the civil asset for if i tour decree.

unconstitutional, illegal stripping somebody of property without due process. >> just because they're accused of a crime. >> even clarence thomas said that's something that disproportionately impacts the lowest people on the economic spectrum and minorities. >> even clarence thomas? >> even clarence thomas, the think tank actually kmenltd on this. sessions doesn't have a friend in washington. shifting explanation about what his contacts with russia were. no contacts, a handshake and overall thing. didn't talk campaign related topics. clearly the president doesn't have confidence. would love to see him go, because the president is shifting expertise on recuse alice amazing, especially when he said judge cure yal should recuse himself because he is a mexican. jeff sessions shouldn't have recused himself since he took that loyalty oath i guess. >> mexicans no, russians yes in

this. it is interesting that he is not reading the room. it is clear donald trump would like him to go, he seems to be hanging on. my guess is that his ideological reasons, wanting civil asset forfeiture, wants his dream of going after voters, these are things he wanted to do his whole life. he was a back bencher. he is not willing to go. how does this end up? >> i don't know. i think it is likely the president winds up firing him because he doesn't have any friends in washington, but that sets up another crisis. how do you confirm another attorney general in this climate. as critical as i have been of republicans for lack of action, i think it would be very difficult for them to vote for somebody who is not going to fire robert mueller. the candidates who would be acceptable, widely acceptable seems to me would be few. i guess that gives the president some pause.

>> the point on firing sessions, big theory running around, has been publicly speculated is that this would allow trump to put in a recess appointment attorney general who may fire rosen steen. >> or rosenstein who is willing to play the lack ey when asked. why wouldn't rosenstein if sessions was out as acting attorney general justifier him? >> this is one of the end of democracy moments. if we are candid about this. if the president of the united states fires his attorney general, sort of reverse bloody saturday or bloody sunday from the 1970s and basically says i am firing every person that's actually investigating me, and republicans in congress do nothing about it, that's kind of it. was no longer have a rule of law in this country, no longer have a president and have a ruling party that does not care about the law or any sort of investigation. that's the precipice we are on. this is bigger than jeff sessions and his policies about voting and immigration, it is

bigger than donald trump and his concerns and vast insecurities about his widely guilty family, this is the core of american democracy. can we accept a president who will destroy any attempts to hold him in check in the law. and if that's what happens here, we're all in trouble. >> that's the question. do you detect among republicans any inclination to begin to reign in this white house, no matter what, even if mueller were fired? >> no. and that's the really scary thing. when the stories began to break, you saw almost radio silence from the hill, from republicans. when pressed, when asked, our producer got hold of marco rubio and he said it wouldn't be a good thing, should let mueller do his job. but only when pressed. they have basically been silent on this. chris collins, a big supporter in the house said i think mueller should stay away from trump's financial dealings. he is siding with the notion that mueller is overstepping his skis. it is incredibly scary.

>> evan, what's going on. there are going to be no heroes, but railroad are they? >> not all heroes wear capes. i think you have to realize what's going on in the republican base. president trump is above 80%, the magic mark for when republicans turn on him. republicans are privately saying we will hold them accountable if he were to cross the line -- >> telling them to take their word for it. >> i believe many people told me, never given cause to disbelieve. >> any of them in leadership? >> i would say they're close to leadership, yes. what you're talking about is a gradual thing. there's a thing democrats misunderstand about republicans. it is not a knee jerk thing. we have to bring our base along. you are seeing there are cracks within the base and it does take time. it is glacial and can be frustrating for democrats. it will happen if trump fires mueller. if mueller is gone, it becomes a question of rule of law. republicans in the senate will hold him accountable.

the house, chris collins, i don't know. >> we shall see. i like this panel. we'll have you all back. thank you for being here. joan and jason are sticking around. up next, "am joy" look at trump's never ending war on the reality based media. we'll be back. noo

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to hold donald trump accountable. and i'm here to tell you it goes two ways. we are going to hold the press accountable as well. >> sean spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that. >> alternative facts are not facts, they're false hoods. >> this is the most incredible thing i have heard. >> what i am seeing is a propaganda machine. >> the president is two weeks into the president and moved mountains. >> what mountains has he moved? >> the money coming into communities. >> what money? >> when the media lies to people, i will never, ever let them get away with it. >> in trump world, enemy of the american people is an enemy of trump lies. >> there's a pattern which you appear to be part of in which there's kind of a bizarre dissem bling about the greater facts of the matter. >> i have discomfort on the latino versus latino violence where a 15-year-old was savagely attacked. >> you talked about false

narratives. you try to ascribe violence to a race of people. >> obamacare wreaked havoc on american lives. >> these people by definition are working, they are poor, they don't have money to buy insurance. >> i question whether they're all working. >> no, no. >> as much as they are of any other developed nation with lower outcomes and lower life expectancy. >> that's not true at all. >> with all due respect, those are not poll numbers. that's 100% true. >> you, sir, believe medicaid should just receive less money. >> it is going to be a taxpayer funded safety net for american people in low income. having a hard time in life. >> no politician in history, and i say this with great charity, has been treated worse or more unfairly. >> if he has done nothing bad to cover up y is he attacking day and night, any constitution, government or media seeking the truth. >> no collusion, no obstruction.

>> back channels are completely normal. >> it isn't a back channel. this isn't how it works. >> doesn't it strike you weird, three people close to the united states under penalty of purge gave misleading or false answers about meeting with russian official zbls hillary clinton took money from the chinese in 2008. >> that's not true either. we don't want you to throw out false conspiracy theories instead of answering my questions. >> we signed more bills, and i'm talking about through the legislature than any president ever. >> there's a lot going on. don't let anybody yank your chain. >> do not. up next, the panel weighs in on trump's first six months in office. only been six months. ♪ back in the 90's, when billy wanted to ask madeline out on a date, he would call her corded house telephone and get permission to speak to her. today is a lot different. billy just slides into madeline's dm and she'll respond with "oh hayyy! swing by 4 dinnr! smiley face heart emoji" even though courtship has become less strict, hebrew national hot dogs remain strict as ever when it comes to our standards.

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this week donald trump sent out 45 tweets to 34 million plus followers, about half of whom are bots. there were three tweets about the usga women's open which took place on a trump golf course.

nine tweets on the legislative priority, taking away 22 odd million people's health care, but his favorite topic, the media. with at least ten tweets about the press coverage of his administration. #priorities. joining me, host of npr latino usa, joan walsh, correspondent at the nation. jason johnson, politics editor at the root.com, and fernand. thank you for being here. let's talk about the war on facts. "new york times" reported donald trump essentially told a lie every day for the first 40 days of his presidency. there's a calendar we can put up shows there, you can see all of the dots are when he told a public lie. you can see he is lying all the time in the beginning of his administration. giving you first crack at this. you used to have a thing you used to say, fernand. when you hear believe me, that's your signal that the lying is happening. what does it mean that that hasn't cut into his 36 to 37%

support at all. >> it means the koolaid is still running strong, but you have to begin with the premise, joy, that every single word that comes out of the mouth of donald trump and every single word he types on his twitter is a lie. if we accept that premise, and i think there's more than enough evidence to suggest that's the truth, we know and can interpret and dismiss anything that comes out of the president's mouth as a lie. that's why today he has the lowest approval ratings in the history of the gallup poll for any president of the united states at this point in their presidency. >> politifact has giver enjason his score card, false or pants on fire, 48% of statements. 17% of statements deemed mostly true. let's do something of the lies that donald trump told just this week. i will play a few for you. we can't document they will especially all, don't have more than two hours. here are some.

>> this issue is important because throughout the campaign and after, people would come up and express concerns about voter inconsistencies and irregularities which they saw in some cases having to do with large numbers of people in certain states. we signed more bills. >> jason, these lies that everyone can easily look up and say aren't true don't hurt him. >> they don't. at its core, you have to remember a certain segment of people voted for donald trump because they thought it would be different. some are voting because it is republicans. then you have a core group of people that vote for him, they think it is done, they think oh my god, they had a black

president they can beat the rest of the country that turned on him, doesn't matter if he tells the truth or he is honest. doesn't matter if he lies whether it is tuesday or sun is shining. they like him because he is their way of getting back. it can be spread in states that can give him the electoral college. >> i'll come to the table here, there is this sense in which there's a personality around him, people that like him, it doesn't matter. i read an interview where a person said maybe they changed their minds if he shot someone, but had to be in cold blood. if you have polls that ask republicans things about scandals, the russia story, is the russia story fake news. 68% of republicans say yes, it is fake. i don't know who the 14% of democrats are, maybe they switched over and voted for donald trump. that's public policy polling. did barack obama wire trap the

trump campaign. 52% of republicans say yes. you have a sense in which reality itself is distorted to fit pro-trump narratives among supporters. people go along, come to believe was he says rather than finding out the truth. it is not that they say we don't care if it is true, they affirmatively wind up believing that russia is fake news. the other big category of his false tweets all have to do with the notion that he knows he didn't win the election. they're about crooked hillary, her 33,000 e-mails, the illegal people that shouldn't have voted who voted for her, this constant you get from the tweets as well as public statements, constant sense of anxiety that he wasn't really legitimately elected, which is true. so that's a whole subsection, a whole genre of fake tweets

analyze. >> again, we still don't have the vocabulary to deal with the fact that as journalists we are dealing with the president who is, i mean, i know everybody is laughing, i have to tell you, i feel like crying when it is like oh, how many lies has he said. the fact that we are talking about a president and using the word lies and knowing that factually we understand he has lied is very sad for me. so for me i think we have to realize that we as journalists, we have an antagonistic relationship with this president, and we have to understand this. i do not represent npr, have my own company, our show is distributed by npr, but sentiments as journalists that we have to talk about. we do not have a normal relationship with this president. so if we have a relationship where we are being treated and disrespected by the president

who is lying, then how are we being respectful in response to that? it doesn't make sense. so the whole, everything about it, the paradigm has to shift, and i think it is important to have these conversations because somebody hopefully will say this is how the paradigm has to shift and we're not there yet. >> there are two ways in which that is important. one of them is as in the field of journalism, you're used to reporting a fact, not having to debate whether the thing you rchd is true, now every fact is debatable. whatever people want to believe is what they believe. you also have a government, this administration puts out data or numbers, do we just accept that any more? they are quarterbacking climate change scientists, not letting them -- mark sukz on tour, they took away climate scientists so they couldn't communicate with him, that's also happening.

>> it is a problem on two ends, joy. like maria said, look, the concern i have, i am a college professor, i teach journalism. when you have a president that's a pathological liars surrounded by kourtd that won't say anything about it, makes the next generation supposed to reform the company say what's the point. nothing matters. for those of us living in the here and now, we have to have general beliefs about facts. one thing that i will propose. news is inherently the truth. there's no such thing as fake news. it is like dry water. to the degree we let him create insane terms. >> it is a challenge. we are all very much engaged in it. i think you made a good point that you have to sort of laugh at it so you don't implode, but it is a serious crisis.

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to control congress in january 2019. con one of the candidates helping to make that happen is pamela keith running in a district that is not that far from mar-a-lago spanning thorn ft. pierce to just outside of west palm beach. keith is looking to win versus current republican representative brian mast in a district that has only voted for a democrat twice since 2000. and joining me now to talk more about her run and the district that she hopes to represent is pamela keith. pam, thank you so much for being here. >> joy, it is such a pleasure. thank you for having me. >> and we a little bit of a delay for our audience. but let's talk about the district. and why did you thii do you thin the district when it has voted so rarely for democrats? >> it's a really interesting district. in the bottom of the district, we have parts of palm beach county and palm beach county has a lot of people from new york, new jersey, people who resettled

in florida. a lot of seniors and retire ceos. but it's of a fluent, a lot of quatsed communities. but a pretty good balance between democrats and republicans. there are a lot of new people, too, have haven't been courted, who haven't been really -- really didn't know candidates to speak to them. so i think that there are opportunities there. st. lucie county is pre-dom nably democrat. and that is where we lost votes in the last election and i think we have a great opportunity to bring those people back. >> and it's also a district that tends to vote for military people. brian mast is a military veteran and you yourself are. so do you think that having a military background will help to mitigate against votes that might say no, we want to keep somebody in with a record of service? >> i definitely think it makes a difference to the voters of this district. remember, they also voted for

alan west many years ago and his military service play ted a big role. i think having a military background not only shows your dedication to your country, your willingness to serve, but in times of high risks to national security, people who have served have more credibility on certain kinds of issues. and so i think it's important that the candidate that will face brian mast be able to say, hey, i served, too, i also served in the middle east that has a lot of strive right now. >> oh, yeah, alan west and i'll say it, the guy who said that joseph gables will be very proud democrats, told debbie wasserman schultz you are not a lady, get the held out l out to liberals. one term in that district. but let's talk about the polling. "washington post" abc news went into the field july 10 through 13 and 75% of people said how likely are you to vote in 2018, 75% said yes. the same poll talked about how

important is to show opposition to trump in the 2018 congressional elect. 84% said yes. very important to be in opposition to donald trump. would you be a congressman who goes in with a goal of opposing donald trump? >> absolutely. and not because you oppose a person, you oppose an agenda. you oppose actions, not people. the problem with donald trump is his actions. it's his actions of constantly lying. it's the self-dealing, the nepotism, the self-focus and o egego septemb centrist. these are not personal beefs that we have with him, it's that he is eviscerating all of the forms that we have and we are watching him basically destroy our institutions through deaths

by 1,000 cuts. and that is destructive to the systems that serve our country. >> and lastly, the democratic party has not had a great history of supporting women of color for higher office. there are lots of members of the cbc, but i'm not sure it's because of the party. are you getting active support from the party? >> we have to confine who defin party. the institutional party is in washington, but the real party is the people on the ground. there are clubs and caucuses all over the state and of course there are democratic voters everywhere. i'm winning where it counts the absolute most. and that is with the voter. they love my passion, my background, my knowledge of the issues. and more specifically the new proposals that i'm putting on the table to address the concerns of the voters of this district. so, yeah, i'm getting that support. and quite frankly, it's really overwhelming how positive it has

been. >> we wish you great luck and hop you will come back. pamela keith, thank you very much. >> thank you so much for having me. and one more quick note before we go, a send sear wonderful congratulations to the reverend dr. william barber who on saturday was consecrated a bishop in the fellowship of affirming ministries. so dr. bishop congratulatio congratulations. he's not afraid to speak that prophetic word even to the most powerful people in the country. that is the essence of the civil rights movement. we appreciate you bishop dr. william barber. and that is our show today. join us next week end for more a."a.m. joy" coming to you live from alexandrlos angeles. right now stay tuned for alex wi

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good day, everyone. i'm alex witt in new york. we're just about at high noon here in the east. 9:00 a.m. out west. and it is day 185 of the trump administration. we begin at the white house and a big revelation by president trump's new communications director. anthony scaramucci is making the rounds this morning for his sunday talk show debut. and he weighed in on a number of items. let's take a look at he talks jared kushner, the new russian sanctions bill and most notably he explained the president trump's skepticism that russia hacked the election. listen closely for all that. >> i'm confident that tomorrow when jared kushner speaks, and i'll keep my fingers crossed in saying this to you, it would be the last time that he has to talk about russia. somebody said to me yesterday, i won't tell you who, that if the russians actually hacked this situation and