displayed a toxic level of animosity toward two of president trump's most senior white house advisers. according to one with first hand knowledge of trump's appetite, he said it can get worse and he chided me for suggesting we're neared the bottom. the question i get asked off television more than on, what happens when a crisis not of team trump's making challenges this undisciplined and unorganized white house staff? today they're facing a looming threat from north korea and a big failure on health care. here was president trump on that failure saying i told you so. >> they should have approved health care last night but you can't have everything. boy, oh, boy, they have been working on that one for seven years. can you believe this? the swamp -- but we'll get it done. we'll get it done. as i said from the beginning, let obamacare implode and then do it.

i turned out to be right. let obamacare implode. >> let's get right to our reporters covering all these headlines. "new york times" chief white house correspondent and mns political reporter, peter baker. political analyst ashley parker and our very own kelly o at the white house. ashley, let me start with you. with the rainstorm racing behind me, talk to me about the storm on this white house staff. i understand that scaramucci and reince priebus were both aboard air force one. it can feel like a small aircraft when there are tensions within that senior staff. >> and you saw that picture of them also in the oval office where it looked like they were sort of standing off in a duel. i think it's an open question where things stand. i mean, clearly, first we should say up front that anthony scaramucci said in the interview in any other white house --

frankly in any other senate or house office would somebody get fired and escorted from the building. the fact that did not happen is sort of -- more than a sort of passive endorsement of scaramucci and that warped view and language. it's pretty publicly belittling and humiliating to reince priebus. reince, if he's willing to endure the public humiliations may be able to hang on to his job, at least in title for a while. just because the president may not want to make a change when all this stuff is going on with his attorney general jeff sessions. and also the defeat of his health care bill and some other frustrations in the white house but i do think there was an open debate in talking to west wing staffers if the shakeup might come and might come as early as today. >> peter baker, i'm hearing that the discontent spreads well beyond this battle between new and old, between if you will someone who sort of speaks trump's language and someone who came from the republican establishment. what do you hear?

i hear of instability in the national security orbit and lingering ill will and bad feelings and insulted professionals at the department of justice. what do you hear about the ripple effect of this kind of language emanating straight from those closest to the president of the united states? >> yeah, look, this is a place that is so riven with division and unhappiness at the moment. that it's hard to keep track. you literally need a scorecard to keep track of the people who are on the bubble, either pushed out or going to run out or whatever. is mcmaster going to stay, is rex tillerson, the secretary of state going to stay? you know, the president of the united states tweeted that the acting fbi director should be fired. remember he fired the last fbi director. there's a great deal of instability and sense of, you know, unsteadiness in this white house and in the administration. nobody knows what's going to happen next. if anthony scaramucci can come in last friday and, you know,

take on the chief of staff in such a frontal way as ashley said, no other white house would have allowed that. then anything can happen. so it's a very unsettled time for people in president trump's orbit. >> are you hearing anything about change -- peter baker, ashley suggested that a turnover at the top could happen as early as today or if reince is willing to -- and this seems to be a thread you can pull throughout the white house endure the humiliation of working for donald trump, he might be allowed to stick around. like maybe jeff sessions seems to be allowed to do. are you hearing anything about timing? >> yeah. look, first of all, we should say that reince priebus has been chief of staff for six months and about a week. and for six months and about three days, his fate has been, you know, settled. everybody said he was on the way out so making a prediction about when he'll leave is problematic. what we're hearing, which could turn out to be true or not, he

might last another week and then we hear that the president is already talking about successors. in fact he's been very openly mulling with some of his advisers john kelly the secretary of homeland security. the president is saying do i want a general, john kelly was a four star now retired marine general and very impressive to the president. even though he has no real political experience beyond his current cabinet job. today at his event in long iland, the president went on and on about what a great job general kelly is doing. he said he's a real star. i think he used that phrase three different times. again, these can change by tomorrow. a lot of people around president trump who think that john kelly would not be a good chief of staff. but the fact he's openly talking about it with his staff suggests how ready he is to make a change at least at this moment. >> kelly o, the theme of the hour is sharing. we're all sharing that's what we're doing. i think the other point to --

that peter and ashley made the reason there's so much uncertainty and i can't imagine what covering this white house is for you guy, you stand there and do it every day, he could change his mind any moment. what may be true in one hour may not be true the next hour. what is your current understanding of where things stand for reince priebus? >> well, from our reporting, we do hear that certainly those close to the president including his family have advised a change. timing is a big question. you could argue that there is a more natural point right now because there will be an august recess. the president will be away from the white house for a bit of time. congress will be out of town. and there was a big defeat on health care, something that was in the reince priebus portfolio. you could argue that this would be a reasonable time with an underlying kind of policy reason, not just a personnel reason to make a change. but we don't have anything that rises to the level of being reportable. we know from watching this president that he does like to

use -- what peter said about talking about general kelly now secretary kelly in a public way is just a reflection that we have seen when someone is on his mind, he tends to be very verbal about it. we have heard from people in the president's circle that he is talking about this. fleshing out ideas. and there are other figures in the white house, gary cohn is the director of the national economic council, he's often mentioned in this way. but again, nothing that is a reportable fact at this point relying on the president. i can tell you, however, i was in the west wing and there were buckets on the ground. and you know there's rain behind me so i definitely found some leaks. >> leaks -- >> i have found some leaks. >> call the fbi. >> ashley, let me bring you back in to pick up on kelly's point. i heard this from folks in the campaign he would never tell the president anything because it was a matter of seconds not hours between when you told the president something and he tweeted it. so it is very likely that like

with the removal of sessions, it might be something he wants to do. but it might be something that's hours, days, weeks or maybe not so imminent. >> that's right. if the person had learned to take his musings as just that, musings. there's also gradations of the musing. the first question is when he starts asking do you think i should fire reince, should we keep him, let him go? that's kind of an early level of musing. the next level is when he starts floating names, when he's talking about should it be general kelly, someone says so and so might be a good chief of staff. that's a slightly serious level of musing. but again, asking questions and floating hypotheticals is the way that president trump manages it's the way he thinks and sometimes can't control what's on his mind. so again as peter and kelly both said it doesn't mean he'll act on it. the president only acts once he

acts and it often catches everyone by surprise. >> peter, again, just to pull this thread with all the way through with all of you, what the president has done by subjecting jeff sessions to i think eight or nine days of public humiliation starting in a formalized way with that sit down with you and michael and maggie, he's repeated the cycle with reince priebus but in this case it seemed like he deputized scaramucci to do the public flogging. what do you hear about whether or how that impacts the search for a successor for reince should there need to be one? >> yeah, i think it does. i mean, of course we have reported i think ashley and probably kelly, everybody is reporting that the president did encourage anthony scaramucci to go out and say some of these things in public. this is not at odds with what the president wanted. quite the opposite. there's been no repudiation by the white house, you know, very clear signal. so if you're going to be

recruited to be the chief of staff, you're going to think twice about that. you'll look at what happened with reince priebus. yeah, an important job, if i go in, if i'm willing to go in, there have to be conditions and the question of whether or not the president is willing to live with -- make those commitments and live with those commitments like the chief of staff is actually in charge. that people in the white house report to the chief of staff. that the chief of start actually is the chief of the staff, and not just, you know, a person who hangs out in the oval office from time to time. and, you know, it's unclear whether the president would really want that kind of thing. it's not his style. he likes the spokes in the wheel management. where everybody has access to him and he has all the information. and you know that's proven to be a long time strategy of his, even to the detriment of his own white house. >> peter baker, ashley parker, kelly o, if you get any information in the next hour, please race back to your cameras. we'll break in. >> one quick point.

>> go ahead, please. >> well, secretary kelly has already been confirmed by the senate and is in the job, executing the president's mission on things like the wall. to have to go through another confirmation process for a cabinet level in an already behind senate calendar makes him a tough pick even if the president likes him. strategically you could see how having him in one job wouldn't necessarily mean let's vacate that to bring him into the white house. just something to add to the mix. >> steal from one to serve to the other and it leaves a big gaping hole. all right. peter, ashley and kelly, who will grab their umbrellas. i want to get to the table in a moment. but first we'll bring you an msnbc political contributor brett stevens and david ig nass you. all of the crises that the white house had to manage have been of

the president's own creation. i hear a real uptick in conversations with folks around the world. real mounting concern about the dysfunction and how this team would handle something more dire like what we saw out of north korea today or any sort of tipping point being reached in any of the myriad hot spots around the world. >> well, the problem is that the people you would most like to behave independently in the event of a crisis for instance a mattis are the ones who are least likely to do so because of their military training. kelly, mcmaster and so on forbids this kind of discretion -- >> because of the chain of command. >> because they believe that the president is the commander in chief and they're not going to execute any mission without his sign-off. you are seeing this in the total dysfunction over the decision about how to approach the war in afghanistan. mcmaster trying to make the case for a modest increase in the troop commitment, not getting it

from the president. not getting it from steve bannon that where you most need the genuinely capable operators in the administration to execute independently. they're the ones who aren't going to behave that way. because that's not how they have been trained. >> david, i understand the folks who are sort of watching north korea hour by hour around the clock down in the sit room. almost walled off, the lunacy of the president's twitter feed but they have described to me coming out, sort of re-engaging with nonclassified systems and feel like they have been punched in the gut when they see all the mayhem around the president. what are you hearing from those who are trying to manage the serious national issues for this president? >> i think the pentagon put out a statement that general dunford, the general of the joint chiefs and harry harris

had been in touch with their south korean counterparts to talk about military issues arising in the aftermath of this latest north korean missile test. i think that's an attempt to maintain continuity, normal chain of command. some asian diplomats i met with this week i heard from them anxiety about the situation in washington. but the funny thing is if you're a south korean sitting in seoul you're so used to the threat of the annihilation from the north korean missiles that's a normal thing. one said that we're more worried about the erratic behavior of the trump administration than we are at the erratic behavior of kim jong un. i think that illustrates the world's anxiety. again i see people in the chain of command trying to maintain that. talk to their counterparts.

keep this from being a government by twitter. >> and you know, bret, you and i were talking about instability as a tactic. talk about that. >> well, i mean, look, you know, there's -- to some extent of virtue in a trump administration where unpredictability keeps adversaries -- potentially keeps adversaries on edge. the other side of that is it keeps our allies on edge. i mean, david was just talking about south korea. what assurance does the south korean president have today that an american president like donald trump with an explicit america first agenda is going to care more about the security of seoul today as opposed to potentially the security of anchorage or los angeles as north korea -- their missile capabilities improve? and so south koreans, other small allies, the baltic state, so on are having to rethink the

dependability of america because -- because they have a president that they can't trust and all the assurances from mcmaster or mattis aren't going to cover for that. >> all right. incredible times. when we come back, white house communications directors are usually the fixers within the white house staff. the kind of people who are called on to clean up an expletive filled interview intended to be off the record, not the ones making the rookie mistakes. can anything make us unhear scaramucci's rapt? and the maverick is back. all but dashing the republicans' hopes for repealing obamacare. and republican women in the senate facing blow back from the male colleagues for their votes against the health care bill.

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the next few minutes of "deadline: white house" are r-rated. we can't bring you the on the record comments of anthony scaramucci without that disclaimer. he's the white house communications director. in charge of the message of the white house and the country. he's not in charge of foreign policy, not in charge of domestic policy. not in charge of matters of law and justice. he has one job -- the message. here is his message from comments he made to the new yorker. quote, white house chief of staff reince priebus is a bleeping paranoid schizophrenic. let me leak the bleeping thing and see if i bleep blocked scaramucci for six months. that was him impersonating

reince. and the most vivid of all i'm not steve bannon. i'm not trying to bleep my own bleep he said. speaking of trump's chief strategist. i'm not trying to build my own brand off the bleeping strength of the president. i'm here to serve the country. amid the unsurprising backlash that came in the wake of scaramucci's comments -- he said i made a mistake trusting a reporter. it won't happen again. let's bring in the rest of the table. former senior adviser to bush/cheney, robert traynham. john heilman and the rev, my friday date, host of politics nation here on msnbc and president of the national action network. john heilman, it's been a long time since -- well, i don't remember the last time any of us had to bleep out so many words in anything anyone said. >> well, it's "access hollywood" weekend.

>> that's it. ding ding. you always get the right answer. >> the last time the new york times had the "f" word in its pages and something they have not done very much. as i think about what happened this week i never thought i'd be making a seinfeld analogy on this show. >> why not? >> it's the trump version of festiv festivus. trump on sessions and then scaramucci on bannon and priebus. the one alpha male in trump and now the ascendant alpha male in scaramucci they're venting their spleens against the perceived enemies within the walls. all of them at the human level they would be like i'm out of here. but you know reince priebus has been humiliated serially throughout his entire time as white house chief of staff. he may or may not be gone by the

end of the day or the week but hardly matters at this point because he has been now effectively neutered as having any real authority in the white house. i will say this last thing. back when you were communications director can you imagine ever doing anything like this? saying that andy card was a leaker and that you were going to tell the fbi and the doj to investigate card and say that bleeped out thing about bannon about karl rove. think about that. >> i can tell anthony scaramucci exactly how to stop the leakers. you don't need the fbi or the justice department. he talked about ludicrous digital fingerprints which i'm sure is a lie. you stop acting like a bleep hole. i mean, that's how you stop the leakers. i mean they're leaking because they're miserable. >> i think i know what that bleep was covering up. >> i think white house staffers are leaking because they're concerned about the country. >> exactly. >> they're concerned about the health and the -- just the stability of this country. i'll just leave it at that.

>> i hope that that's where it is. but i think some of them are more concerned about the stability of the president. >> you said what i was thinking. >> well, why don't you say it? >> i want -- >> speak. speak. >> peter baker said we're sharing. >> this -- >> hang on, let me get -- >> the reason is i don't want this president impeached. i don't want to go through an impeachment. i don't to say he is mentally unbalanced but what he does every single day and his staff does every single day makes me wonder and it's scary. five hours ago, north korea obviously launched another missile. the 17th missile over the last 30 days and here we have a president who spends a lot of time -- a lot of time, nicolle, tweeting. he spends a lot of time with this "game of thrones" type thing and he seems to rel, in that. we're talking about the presidency of the united states and we're talking about vladimir putin who's playing us like a fiddle. that's why i'm pausing because this is stuff that's really scary. >> and we're talking about

people's lives. i mean, we're acting as though this north korea threat is something that we're reading about on another planet. or that we're not talking about people's health care. but i think what really bothers me is we're normalizing this behavior. >> well, we're not. >> but we are allowing it if we don't call it out, if we don't speak up. we -- can you imagine kids growing up now when a president berating the sitting attorney general, one i oppose, calling him weak, what are we saying? that we -- on thursdays we go after the lgbtq community without even talking to the pentagon. on friday, we go and talk to police. all of us should be united against gangs. but it's not enough to just talk to police. he tells them be tough. i mean, brutalize people. the fact that they're innocent until proven, go and arrest them and put their heads down. he's endorsing police brutality

and talking about paddy wagons which is a slur by the way, mr. president. >> david, to the point that this world is watching i imagine that what putin's person who has scaramucci's job did all week was sort of organize a real disciplined message around opposition to the u.s. sanctions. i imagine what putin's scaramucci spent the week doing was sort of an online media campaign, an international media campaign, a european media campaign. to talk about the perils of the sanctions. meanwhile, our -- the american -- the -- what used to be the shining city on the hill, i guess it's an open question if it is still is, what we have done at the highest levels of our seat of executive power, they have been talking about sucking each other's bleeps. i mean, what is the world thinking about us right now? >> they wonder what is going on. i was in moscow a few weeks ago and i heard from senior kremlin

advisers. your country is collapsing. you're falling apart in washington. we never thought it would be this easy. it's just obviously a fact that authoritarian countries like russia do better at messaging than huge democracies. i want to make one point. this was a week in which the -- kind of the catastrophic difficulties of this white house were obvious. the failure of the health care bill. this kind of crazy circular firing squad. but it was a week in which the resilience of a system and push back from republicans in the house and senate, the sort of -- the beginnings of real indignation about the treatment of sessions became obvious. it's -- it was a week in which senator john mccain had some extraordinary moments in which

he said looking mortal illness in the face, said i'm going to do this because it's right. stood up to all of the pressure he was getting from the president, from the house speaker ryan. so it's a funny week that way. it showed us the u.s. weakness and why that's resilience. >> david ignatius bringing us back to life. we'll take a quick break, but up next as david was talking about john mccain's big moment in the senate last night, reminding everyone why he's the maverick. >> sometimes you need a little spark that inspires the forces of coming together to outweigh the forces of pulling apart. and john mccain may have done that.

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the man who once ran for president under the slogan country first revealed last night where his loyalties lie when he voted his conscience.

>> we have been watching every detail of this live picture of the senate floor for an hour. mcconnell comes in, goes out. various floor leaders doing the same. we can't tell what's happening and i'm hoping you can. >> well, brian, the person i'm watching in all of this is john mccain. >> oh, look at this, this is john mccain has just wandered over into the democrat's side of the aisle. top of your screen about 12:00 noon on the clock face he's talking to schumer, klobuchar, feinstein is leaning in there. he put his arm around senator feinstein and look at the bottom of your screen around 7:00 on the clock face. john mccain, mike pence, who is in the chamber in case he needs his function as tiebreaker. lindsey graham going into the cloakroom. mike pence, vice president, right behind him. john mccain has now walked up

the aisle. anything said now will have to do with the -- >> the question is on the amendment -- >> the vote. >> request the ayes and nays. >> is there a sufficient second? >> the clerk will call the roll. >> mr. peters? >> no. >> no. >> mr. portman? >> john mccain entered the chamber, gesturing to get the attention of the clerk. he was recognized with a thumbs down. he voted no. >> bret, john mccain? >> i think he saved the republican party from the biggest mistake they could have made. which is having a bill that would make people lose coverage while doing nothing to deal with entitlements or debt which would have been a twofold disaster for

republicans. so five or ten years as people remember john mccain they will remember this, not only as an act of courage and of putting country before party but remembered as an act of saving a party from its own worst instincts. >> he'll be around to remind us too. that's more likely than not. robert traynham, talk about the republican party's massive failure, not just as bret suggests to craft truly conservative. they're trying to deal with health care without applying the conservative principles. and every effort they made to take away obamacare only made an unpopular plan more popular. >> yeah. they were their own worst enemy in this case. you don't put vice president pence on the senate floor -- first of all, you don't schedule the vote unless you think -- i think mitch mcconnell thought

this would eke by. what john mccain did last night or this morning is what he always does. he's a maverick, but what's interesting about this too he always telegraphed he may not vote for this. he said time and time again, look, guys, there's no meat on the bones here. this should be regular order. this should go to the committee process. let's make sure this is a really robust repeal and replace but there was no replace. so john mccain in many ways was very consistent from the legislative stand point. >> i want you to make your point but pull back the lens because you wrote the book "game change" in the middle. but sort of book end the moment last night to 2000 and the straight talk success. if you talk about his political ride, with a little dip in '08 this is very john mccain to me. >> it's -- you know, it's complicated. you know john mccain better than i do. i know him pretty well and one of the things is true about him. he is genuinely not -- maverick is not exactly right. i think he's more of a

contrarian. when you put him in the place where his party is going in one direction. he's inclined to go in the other direction. he was more angry at george w. bush than anyone else for a long time. then he was really angry at barack obama for a long time. right now, you know, he seems both to be standing up for principle. i think this notion of mortality is playing in to what he did the other night. obviously there's a whole bunch of antipathy he feels for donald trump. but i think more than anything, you know, he is actually in some ways a traditional conservative in the reagan model. he's not actually a liberal. a lot of liberals love him because he's not like the current version of republicans but really he's a pretty standard issue reagan era republican. if you look at his voting record. i think the main thing that's on his mind, at least on my mind for the last few months this is not about a failure of mcconnell's as a legislative tactician or putting together an alternative that's according to the conservative principles. this is the massive expose as a

governing party. for seven years this was the centerpiece of what they said they'd do. they got into the place, they controlled the both houses and the white house, they didn't have an alternative. they had nothing plausible to go to the american people and say, here's what we'll do. because if they had it, they would have done it. they didn't have it, so they didn't do it. that's why they couldn't get it done here because the country got more enamored of obamacare as they looked and saw what the republicans offering, nothing. that is a political party in a state of profound collapse. >> that's fair. >> rev, some people asked if this was a bleep you since we're r-rated here from john mccain. i don't think so. i think what you have been talking about this didn't solve the health care problem and this wasn't conservative. what do you think about john mccain? >> i have had a lot of battles with john mccain but i respected him to the utmost what he did

last night for a different reason. it's closer to what john said. he really believes in something. if not what i believe in. but for him to stand in the face of his party who is going by either by intimidation, some because of other reasons and take a stand as a real reaganite republican and said, i will take the flak if there is some and getting praise by al sharpton is going to get him more flak, i respect somebody who believes in what they stand for. obviously i think it was good for america. but i think it was a defining moment for him because had he cowered and went the other way, then i think a lot of people would have felt that john mccain really doesn't believe in what he's always tried to say. >> his lowest moment politically was kind of getting behind trump

who went after him so aggressively during the campaign with a view toward his own re-election. this is about restoring honor and his sense of himself, who puts prudence before a party vote. >> he didn't vote for donald trump. he wrote in his friend, lindsey graham. pressure from the administration and despite it all, two republican women stood firm.

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kasie, talk to me about what lisa murkowski and susan cleanse have endured for what looked to do my eye a concerted effort, one, to make the bill something that didn't hurt their own constituents and to be honest brokers. i don't think they ever made any secret of where they stood throughout the process. >> they didn't, nicolle. and look, they set out where they where they stood relatively early and stuck by it. now, susan collins has been extremely vocal about where she stood and has been counted in the firm no all the way along and lisa murkowski did vote no. as you note, got attacked by the president on twitter for it and then threatened reportedly by his interior secretary ryan zinke. she has fought back in ways that go beyond just her public comments.

and she controls the purse strings for zinke's interior department and she has been very steadfast every time we caught up with her in the hallway, she said look, i'm independent. i think we need to worry more about things other than electoral politics. i'm going to keep doing what i'm doing for the people of alaska and in her statement today continues through that. she and collins have endured more kind of verbal insults and things as well. and fahrenthold essentially challenged her to a duel. >> let's just ruminate on that for a second. susan collins -- >> was challenged to a duel. >> and then caught on a hot mike and said he was unattractive and did you see him in the pajamas where the play boy? she did put out an apology. >> a fair point. let me my you in. we have talked before about being a woman on capitol hill,

whether you cover it, whether you or a staffer there or a senator. it is is a known known there's a bit of second class citizenship up there for women. >> sure. that's something that senators -- even some of the most powerful female senators will talk about is feeling like they entered into the job the same as they weren't going to let their gender be a part of their decision making or a part of the way they do their jobs but many of them have told they can't have help that become a part of their daily lives. its fair -- it's fairly common place, but i think it's getting better. i spoke with leader pelosi last summer. she said it can't compare to when she started out. she hopes it will continue to get better but i think it's really important to remember about this bill from last night, if it was never designed to appease either collins or murkowski. it was as we talked about last week, it was kind of a bill that was set up to not be for them. and last night, it played out

and they were expected to already be gone. they were prepared to stand there and say, if you're not going to design it for me or not give me a chance i'm not going to join you and it was a pretty powerful move. >> i wonder if there's any string that can be drawn between having a president with a long public record of saying disparaging things about women with a body where women are a distinct minority on the republican side and even a more distinct minority, two women who are as honest of a broker as you'll find on capitol hill who defy the will of said president and said leaders of their party. how much is this sort of the passive-aggressiveness spilling over into public view? >> look, i think that, you know, we talk a lot on this show and elsewhere about how republicans have -- what they say in public doesn't line up what they say in private about the president. i think that feeling is stronger among women on capitol hill. and i think it has created to a

certain extent that kinship you were talking about. i think it's even more enhanced in president trump's washington. i think that there is a feeling that this president has brought the discourse especially around and towards women to a different place than it's ever been before. i mean, this place has always been more difficult to navigate for women all the way along and held a set of unique challenges. at the same time, there has always been at least an outward notion that you are supposed to be polite. so these ideas of decorum, they may be old fashioned and that may be its own sort of set of issues but there were supposed to be rules about how you talked about women. i think chuck grassley spoke a little bit today. i think there's a lot of that going on behind the scenes here. >> all right. thank you for spending time with us. at the end of a long day and a long week for both of you.

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hi, r one. we're back. we've got a little bit of break gs news. we're trying to wrang elwhite house correspondent kelly o'donnell with the breaking news. i'm pleased to inform you that i've just named general secretary john kelly as white house chief of staff. he is a great american dot dot

dot 6789 president trump today naming his second chief of staff in a little over six months. thoo war of words between reince priebus and anthony scaramucci ending very well for mr. scaramucci. his promise that reince would be out by the end of the week coming true. i had heard from two white house insiders that this decision would be -- had been made, it would be executed by the end of the day today. the president holding to that timeline. he's about to descend from air force one where he's just handed from a day trip in new york. let me read the tweet one more time. the prosecutes tweeting quote, i am pleased to inform you that i have just named general secretary john -- he says that because he is a general and also the secretary of homeland security john kelly as white house chief of staff. he is a great american. kelly o'donnell, what do you know? >> well, i just did the sprint from the west wing. >> thank you. let me just set it up as a question. we had heard this rumor.

we talked about it at the top of this hour. we began at 4:00 p.m. by talking about not whether he was dissatisfied enough with reince priebus to publicly humiliate him or ultimately replace but, but when. and it seems that when was 4:52 p.m. on a friday. >> well, a friday is a typical day to do this at a time when, again, they're going to be breaking for august recess in washington. it comes after a major defeat on health care. and as we were talking earlier, this has been bubbling. there have been people close to the president who have been hinting, there have been people who have said that reince priebus was really being talked about by the president internally in ways that weakened his standing. also, general john kelly, now secretary kelly, will soon be chief kelly approximate this all goes as we expect. brings a chain of command experience -- i'm sorry i'm breathless. i literally ran. >> let me throw in some of what

i heard just dovetails on what you heard and maybe let you take one inhale from that sprint. it is not as close as it looks, people. that front door is very far away. >> thank you. >> so what i heard today from one source inside the white house, one sort in regular contact with the president was that it wasn't a matter of if reince was fired today 6789 it was a matter of whether he had sort of gotten up the nerve to do it yet. for a president so closely associated with the words you're fired, he actually doesn't like doing it, kelly. >> that is true. we've seen that play out. he's been reluctant when pressed. we've also been told that this was something he would want to do after a lot of consultation. and earlier when speaking and peter baker talked about the packet that p secretary kelly's name was come out of the mouth of the president toefd at an event sort of unrelated was a giant tell. when the president has something on his mind, it's hard for him to not rif about it. i had argued that because he's

already been senate confirmed, you don't want to have another va canes and require another senate confirmation. i was wrong. >> kelly, we've all been wrong approximate this white house. it's impossible -- because my sense was that that was an argument he was hearing even from other members of the staff, that mr. president, you might 1068 one problem but you create another. and frankly, pass controversial as they are, the president's priorities at the justice department and homeland are some of the only ones he's been able to implement because a lot of them don't require much help from congress. >> exactly. >> so are you hearing anything yet about the decision to make that leap and leave a big vacancy at homeland? >> not specifically there, but part of what general kelly, secretary kelly, soon to be chief kelly brings is an orderlyness that apparently appeals to the president and a strength. one of the huge questions will be what sort of port foley oh does the president give john

kelly. does he really allow him to be top down manager as typically a chief of staff would be. how will he relate to the familial advisers, jared kushner and ivanka trump as well as anthony skr skshlg, who appears to be on the inside in a very big way. so this will change the order of things. another thing it will do that is really going to be challenging is that john kelly has no political experience. he does not have relationships with people on capitol hill. maybe the president said i had someone who had those deep relationships, almost like brothers, reince priebus and paul ryan, and that didn't work. so maybe he's taking a page to say i'm going to go a different direction. ible in the generals. we can all hear the presidents voice in our head saying i'm listening to the generals. i love the generals. so now john kelly will vacate homeland security so we get to begin a new as much for that person. and he's got a giant task to come in and try to deal with moral. he's a combat veteran and maybe that is what this white house

needs to try to deal with all the permits. >> right. right. she makes a great point. president of the united states just reading i am pleased to inform you that i have just named general secretary john kelly as white house chief of staff. he's a great american. reince didn't really have a celebrated tenure it, but yank of a more unceremonious departure. >> yes. not just unceremonious, brutal and brutish. think about the way this played out. last friday over reince priebus' objections publicly known trump installs anthony scaramucci with a direct line to the statement. then over the course of this week scaramucci with the bless lg of the president makes these incredible comments. there's no world in which he did not know he was on the record. he's talked to a lot of reporters in his life. any suggestion that he was somehow conned by the reporter

is ridiculous. so he then diselm bowels him. then today donald trump praises kelly in his speech before the police kind of tipping his hand. and then unceremoniously there's not a statement made, there's not an opportunity to resign. he's auto just quiteel shoved aside on this friday. this has been a weeklong ritual of reince priebus of the whatever you think of him -- trump is reluctant to fire people. this is a mugging followed by a murder. >> this is like the silence of the lambs white house edition. you can see trump saying i hate his live with faf abeans and a nice key an tee. and by the way, this is not going to end well. i have huge respect for john kelly. he was a terrific general. he was actually a good secretary of homeland security, something that the administration has not enough of. but his military bearing, his sense of decorum, his sense of

order is going to chaf against trump's instinct for kay os. the best choice that trump could have made would have been to make scene hannity his chief of staff. he would have killed two birds with one stone. and you would have had two personalities to -- >> let me read you -- we've got another tweet. i think i know where you're going with that. scene hannity was in the white house for dinner. >> that's right. >> i want to remind people why we're looking at what we're looking at. we're staring at a shot of air force one and it is parked at andrews air force base and while we're watching the president is tweeting. so the cabin the president sits in is right here. he just tweeted the second half of that tweet about kelly is he's a great american and a great leader. john has also done a spectacular job at homeland security. he's been a true star of my administration. so almost like "dancing with the stars," the all star round, right. he's rewarding good behavior here. but he's object us whyel picked up on what you picked up on.

he was an honorable general and he was someone who was doing a very good job at homeland. >> yeah. and that's going to leave a huge gap to fill. but the main thing is, again, maybe priebus wasn't the right political job. it is pay political job of the he needs a politician in there. >> a little more respect on the way out. all right. that does it for this hour. more breaking annuals now with "mtp daily" and chuck todd. hi, chuck. >> wow, one way to end a friday. >> how is that for a lead in. >> i'll take it. well, good evening. yep. there is the news. i'm chuck todd. we've seen a lot of dramatic and bizarre weeks under this president srkts but never anything quite like this. and we've got the breaking news right now. the major shake up that had been rumored sibls the day the president took office actually happened today in the president's inner circle. moments ago the president made this announcement on twitter. i am pleased to inform had you that i have just named