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hi, everybody, good to have you with me, i'm thomas roberts here at msnbc in new york. the president has a new chief of staff. roughly about 24 years of old. but the message coming from the president on twitter, not changing so much with the president saying unless republican senators are total quitters, they should demand another vote on health care before voting on any other bill. the president threatened to undermine obamacare including congress's own health insurance. if a new health care bill is not approved quickly bailouts for members of congress will end very soon. the self-proclaimed deal maker then made an about face demanding republicans get rid of the 60 vote filibuster rule in order to avoid making deals with democrats and all of this is what his new chief of staff john kelly will face when he replaced reince priebus just after reince priebus left this job yesterday.

six short months -- six months after taking that job. so kelly is a four star marine general and homeland security secretary and seen as somebody that could bring discipline to a white house in constant drama and he will get the job done with common sense leadership and quote, won't suffer fools. and kelly o'donnell joins me. and explain how we understand kelly's role to change any culture inside of this white house, especially if he doesn't have full control of all staffers like scaramucci. >> that is one of the key questions, is what lines of authority is president trump giving to john kelly. one might expect that kelly would ask for that before coming over from homeland security to the white house. a couple of things, the president's son-in-law and daughter are certainly equals in a way no one else is in the white house. in terms of the senior staff. they clearly report directly to the president. so does kellyanne conway. so does anthony scaramucci, so

what kind of authority would john kelly have, would that structure change? when you bring in a military officer with his pedigree and his experience, he understands how to work in stressful situations and deal with a lot of personnel issues and that is really what he'll be asked to do. he doesn't have the political connections, the knowledge, the history, he's obviously served in uniform and in a different part of public service. so he brings organizational skills and toughness as maybe at least perception of the president is that someone who has won four stars in his service for the country, has worked for the marines and served for more than 45 years. the president respects that. he's also closer in age to the president. the president has a lot of people who are age peers in his inner circle. you get a sense of how the president evaluated this when you listen to how he described his outgoing chief of staff and his new choice for this job in terms of good and great.

this was a rainy day in washington when this all happened and the president paused to talk to the travel pool after his tweets to make it official. here is how he described this change. >> reince was a good man. john kelly will do a fantastic job. general kelly has been a star, done an incredible job thus far, respected by everybody, a great, great american. reince priebus a good man. thank you very much. >> so an appreciative, respectful tone of reince priebus but effusive praise of john kelly. so you get a sense in the president's words and body language, he is ready for a change and he want this is change because it is the decision the president makes himself to be well received publicly. we have seen bipartisan support, you tend to get that when you are talking about someone who has given a lifetime of public service in a very honorable and distinguished way like john

kelly has for the marines and the department of homeland security. that is something this white house needs. so if they are ready for a change, this is a time to do it. the tweets you were talking about were certainly reflective of the health care downfall and frustration at the republican party. so he's choosing someone who is not of the political party to come inside his inner circle. thomas. >> kelly o'donnell reporting from the white house. great to see you as always. and joining me now is charlie savage from the new york times, aliza collins, and from usa today and sawn sullivan, congress ral reporter at the washington post. you have had a busy week. and charlie let me start with you. with reince priebus out and six months on the job here, he is playing a good soldier in the interviews, exiting this job. take a listen to his reaction, also his tone about president trump. >> i talked to general kelly tonight, obviously we talk often because he's a cabinet secretary, i've gotten to know him. he is a great man. i'm going to be involved in

about a two-week transition here to help the general kind of get around and meet all of the different employees doing great work here. and i'll always be available. i'm going to be on team trump all of the time. i'll always be out there trying to help the president. >> he's going to be on team trump. so charlie, explain why reince priebus fell out of favor. was it strictly about the skinny repeal and not going through? >> no. we've been hearing for months that the president was not pleased with reince priebus and the rumors were that he was on the bubble long before trump care collapsed in congress this week. and so if not -- and anthony scaramucci was trying to push priebus out before that famous vulgar interview this week, before senator john mccain surprised with his vote to destroy trump care. that is not why. because he was not able ever to win the president's full favor, and because the white house was

chaotic under his sort of control. of course he was never really given full control by the president so it is not his fault in that respect. and so president trump, after sort of a wreckage of a week, a train wreck of a week in all kinds of different ways, is trying to re-set his administration, bring in -- >> when you see the thugs being thrown into the back of the paddy wagon -- >> charlie hold on for one sec. we're going to lower this volume. that was the president speaking yesterday on long island. but charlie mentioned, aliza, that vulgar reporting, the words of anthony scaramucci, basically talking just some trash about reince priebus, accusing him of being a leaker, he is the new communications director, sean spicer left last friday. now here we have another friday with reince priebus after scaramucci called him a paranoid skitsa frennic because scaramucci thought that reince let it leak that he had din we

are bill shine and sean hannity and i think kimberly gill foil from fox news the night before. so is scaramucci the body man for the president, i mean doing the work that the president should be doing in taking control and if he doesn't like somebody, dealing with it and letting them go? >> well this is a stunning interview that you brought up. but we're not really sure what his role is. it is definitely different from the old communications director. he is aligned with trump, they go back to the new york world. he definitely deals with the press in a completely different way. and so he's taken it upon himself immediately after getting in, he was floated at the possible next chief of staff. so scaramucci has taken it upon himself to aktd as trump's body man is a good way to describe it as going out and trying to find the leakers. and in that interview he threatened to fire everybody, including reince priebus.

and that is the different role than the normal communications director so we'll have to see how that moves forward. >> and you bring up a great point about reince priebus being accused as the leaker by scaramucci which he had to defend. sean, take a listen to this. >> what was your reaction when you saw that interview? >> no reaction. because i'm not going to respond to it. i'm not going to get into the mud on those sorts of things. >> are you the leaker in the white house. >> that is ridiculous, wolf, come on. give me a break. i'm not going to get into his -- >> why not? why not respond. >> because i'm not going to. it doesn't honor the president. i'm going to honor the president every day and honor his agenda and i'm going to honor our country and i'm not going to get into all of this personal stuff. >> so sean, we had spicer out on the day basically that scaramucci gets in and now reince priebus is out. post the ryan-lizza conversation, was he laying down cards do you think in that conversation and if so, we also talked about steve bannon.

is he a threat to go? >> it is interesting, you didn't hear priebus deny those allegatio allegations but i think what is interesting is the situation that john kelly and scaramucci are walking into right now. there are a lot of leaks coming from the white house, from many different aides and officials and that is clear over the last six months an the question is are they going to change that culture, are they going to be able to stop the leaks. they've already put it out there, at least scaramucci has, this is unacceptable to him and this has to change and set down this marker and so now you look one, two, three months down the road, if that culture doesn't change, are people going to call for their jobs or are people call for another staff reshuffling. they are sort of setting themselves up here to either succeed by preventing the leaks from happening in the future or having fewer of them or if the same pattern continues, then they are at risk of being held responsible for the same stuff that reince priebus and sean spicer was. so we'll see how they are able to handle and navigate this

complicated west wing right now where you have a lot of war and factions and aides who aren't on the same page going after each other. >> and you talk about warring factions. general kelly knows a lot about what it is like to be at war and also how to deal with hot tempers but we have the wall street going after trump saying priebus wasn't the problem and going after the president saying can kelly do what reince priebus wasn't able to do and that the other thing that was said in this is that mr. trump has a soft spot for military men, so perhaps he'll listen to mr. kelly. do you think that general kelly can basically crack down this white house and get it ready for prime time? >> i think that is the great question. the "wall street journal" is absolutely right, the source of the chaos is that president trump likes having a kayotic white house. he likes having different power centers that are at each other's throat and fighting at his feet as he presides over the

dysfunction and figures out who is in the dog house and who is in his favor every day and that is a recipe for leaks for sure and for dysfunction as well. and so bringing in a military man clearly president trump likes to surround himself with military men, i'm not sure why that would change the underlying dynamic. and i'll tell you something else, too, i've had some an counters with with john kelly when he was in charge of the southern command and i was covering guantanamo and he always struck me and i know this is a reputation among many, as a very blunt, candid, straightforward to a fault person who is willing to say out loud the thing that his superiors may not wish him to hear, may not wish to hear. the in politics truth. and that got him into some hot water sometimes in the barack obama years and how will it work in this white house, will he tell trump what he doesn't want

to hear and be respective. >> if the president could put up with scaramucci's interviews, i don't think there is anything that will hurt trump's ears. charlie savage, stay with us, back coming up in the hour and aliza and sean thanks very much for your time. so president trump speaking in long island on friday, pledging his support for police officers in the country. while also telling them to not be so nice. how the law enforcement community is reacting to the use of force statement by the president. i was wondering if an electric toothbrush really cleans...

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in the car and you are protecting their head, you know, the way you put your hand -- like don't hit their head and they've just killed somebody. don't hit their head. i said you could take the hand away. >> so the speech was meant to highlight the administration's efforts to combat the gang known as ms-13 but comments that officers should not be too nice with suspects, it is getting the most attention. several police departments have criticized the president's comments and the suffolk county police department said as a department we do not and will not tolerate roughing up prisoners. joining me now is philip stenson from criminal justice at bowling green state university. mr. stenson, good to have you with us and we just got this statement from the nypd saying the training and policies relating to the use of force only allow for measures that are reasonable and necessary under any circumstances. and it would be irresponsible

and unprofessional and sends the wrong message to law enforcement as well as the public to use force other than when it would be necessary. so what is your reaction to the president's hyperbole or ling so that he was demonstrating long island yesterday. >> if you look at police officers behind them, take a look at their faces, it pulls back the kurton on the police sub culture. i study police crime, crime committed by sworn law enforcement officers and i've been doing so since the beginning of 2005 and in the last 13 years 151 police officers across the country have been arrested for assaulting somebody already in handcuffs. in other words somebody no threat to the officer at all. so in some places across the country, this is commonplace. it is accepted. it is encouraged. it is just the general public is not aware of that and i'm glad to see that police departments around the country are coming

forward and telling us that they have policies against this because of course they do. the standard is that an officer can use a reasonable amount of force, that amount of force that is necessary to effectuate an arrest. and no more. >> and when it comes to your reaction of those that were standing behind the president, do you have any compassion for their situation because we don't know a lot of their history and i'm sure people will screen shot who these people are and if they run afoul of being accused of anything, this moment will be utilized, but do you think they really take the president seriously? or would you rather have seen them maybe boo him or say no, we're not going to do that? >> well, if anything, a poker face would have been better than responding at all, showing any emotion at all, clapping, smiling, anything like that. but thomas, what if people do believe the president, what if people actually think that the position of the federal government is that police

officers can use that amount of force that is necessary to rough somebody up when they are arresting them. it is going to lead to not only i think more police violence, but violence against the police and that results in people getting hurt, including police officers. >> but don't you think that people believe this because they elected this guy to be president and he used this type of talk on the campaign trail, whether it was about reporters or people protesters at his rallies, he has a tendency toward violence and an over-reaction that demonstrates violence, and was also supportive of the police community. not thinking that criminal justice reform is a really serious issue in this country. >> well he doesn't think that criminal justice reform is a serious issue in the country. but let's put this in the context of immigration. he was talking about that yesterday. and talking about the ms-13. the gang. so if somebody is a victim or a witness to a crime, i don't think that they are going to come forward if they think they could be deported.

so we have all kinds of problems here in terms of gangs and in terms of witnesses and people cooperating with law enforcement. i do think that some people will think it is open season and really the cat is out of the bag. this happens in many places across the country. it is business as usual, that in some instances police officers invoke a street justice if you will. they do rough people up on occasion, not all officers. sometimes it is to teach somebody a lesson, if you have to chase somebody down the street to catch them, they might teach them a lesson and have you had them up. but it is criminal behavior. >> and we've seen that and in baltimore with freddie gray getting the rough ride, those officers did face charges but none of them -- they went to trial and none of them faced any type of hard time or anything in the loss of freddie gray and his family did get a civil settlement but that was it. >> right. well they weren't convicted and not all of them went to trial. not all of them were taken to

trial. but it is very difficult when an officer is actually arrested for a crime of violence, it is very difficult to obtain a conviction. we've seen that time and time again. juries are very reluctant to second-guess the split-second decisions of police officers in street encounters. >> philip stenson, good to have you on. thank you for your time, i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. we have the president on twitter today active and tweeting today a myriad of things and mainly on health care and unless the republican senators are total quitters, repeal and replace is not dead. demand another vote before voting on any other bill and while opponents to replace british colombia held protests outside of trump tower in new york and so the rallies taking place as mayors and governors across the nation offer help to congress in coming up with a bipartisan solution to the health care problem. joining me now is mayor hillary chevy of reno, nevada. it is great to have you on with me. and did i say nevada correctly, or nevada? >> oh, don't say nevada.

it is nevada. >> good, i want to make sure. but let's talk about the mayors and the governors and the type of plan that they would want to see as federal policy to our health care dilemma. >> well, certainly one thing has to happen and it has got to be a bipartisan approach. mayors are definitely at the forefront of this, we're at ground zero. the people that we see in our cities, these are people at grocery stores and little league games and i have to tell you as mayors, we are really right there seeing and hearing sheer panic in people's voices as we looked at this health care bill. i have to say, in the state of nevada before the aca, we were at one of the highest rates in the country of 23%, now we're down to 12%. so you can see that its working but as mayors we're urging this administration to sit down with mayors and come up with a bipartisan approach. we always laugh, there is no

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administration we have not been part of the conversation and we are at ground zero. we have to stop tweeting and start treating people like they matter. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time. coming up next, the north korean threat, kim jong-un calling the latest missile test a grave warning to the u.s. and the options for dealing with north korea and what experts are now saying about this latest test.

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north korea leader kim jong-un warns that the second test of an icbm this month is meant to send a grave warning to the u.s. so president trump issued a written statement in response to friday's launch, calling it the latest wreckless and dangerous action by the north korea regime and the united states will take all necessary steps to secure the security of american homeland and protect our allies in that region. and it is great to have you with me and nancy, the fact that they've been having more successful missile tests, what is the best course of action for the trump administration to halt the progress of north korea?

>> this is a tough problem in the president's in box. i've watched president's struggle with north korea for a decade and there are to good options. and this is -- this recent icbm test, the intercontinental ballistic missile test is the north korean quest to get a missile nuclear tip that would reach the united states. they are not there yet, but the predictions are that by next year they might be. so he has got to deal with this. it is not a problem he could tweet away. and he's done the right thing, a statement is the right way to go and putting pressure on china to do it. now he has a lot of other things going on. i don't see any prol policy process going on and his cia director called for regime change and when he tweeted about the transgender issue they thought he might announce a north korea test is frightening. so far i think he is doing a good job but i think we need to

have a more in depth policy process. this is his toughest problem right now. >> but meanwhile china is a reliable partner for north korea and interested in its own growth as a dominant world leaders in world power. can we trust them to really do the hard work on our behalf? >> absolutely not. and it is why we've been working with the powers in the region, even the russians to try and have a regional policy that will squeeze the russians and force them sanctions and china doesn't want north korea to collapse and have millions of refugees go into their country and they don't want a war that would reflect tens -- cause tens of thousands of deaths in south korea. we've got almost 30,000 troops in north korea, another 54 in japan. so we have real interests here and smsing this we need to have working with our allies a tough policy decision and make sure that we push china to go harder

on north korea, get the sanctions tightened and this is something that president trump is going to have to ensure that he spends a lot of time on. i haven't seen that yet. the fact that they put a statement out instead of a tweet is progress. >> and lastly, yes or no, ash carter talked in the past about the administration and the defense department having a plan to take out kim jong-un, how close are we to enacting a plan like that? >> well i'm not privy to what the planning on that, but we've said that all options are on the table. what happens is you take the more extreme options off and deal with tightening the sanctions, diplomacy and pushing china to move forward. but until there is a regime change and a different government there, it will be a tense issue and this escalation of the icbm is a real problem and it will require a lot of attention from the president himself. >> like you said, the top priority in the in box. nancy soderberg. thank you. and up next, the military community as we heard from

nancy, being blindsided by president trump's tweet and that ban on transgender americans serving in our military. this debate over whether the civil rights act protects people based on sexual orientation and another blind side and we'll talk about both after this. shawn evans: it's 6 am.

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this week the white house celebrated american heros, a tribute to veterans and currently serving members of the armed forced and this we saw tweets suddenly banning transgender roles from any role in the military and reversing the obama era policy and something that ash carter signed off on and this drew harsh criticism like senator orrin hatch of utah. >> i said, look, people who are transgender, they don't choose to be transgender, they are born that way. and why should we hold that

against them. >> so an amazing moment there with senator hatch. joining me now heath davis, a political science professor who teaches at temple university and the author of "beyond trans"and ryan dorson is a fellow human rights watch who monitors hume ran rights abuses around the world. >> and it is not just the transgender ban that caught everybody's attention, the justice department came out saying the 1964 civil rights act will not protect people moving forward on the basis of sexual orientation. is that true? what is their argument to say that? >> um, i think, you know, we have court cases that indicate otherwise, there is a question about how to interpret title 7, this is a federal sex nondiscrimination law. there is also debate ongoing about title 9 which is also federal sex nondiscrimination

law and how to interpret these laws. how expansive to interpret them, whether they should be just limited to our traditional understanding of sexism, which is where women as a class are disadvantaged in a relationship to men as a class, or vice versa. so increasingly here and there we've seen expansion of this to include sexual orientation which when you think about it, it boils down to sex discrimination or gender stereotypes a lot of time. and also this question now also whether to expand the laws to include transgender americans and gender identity discrimination and i agree with that expansion, and what we're seeing right now is sort of a bizarre statement about extremely narrow kind of interpretation of how to apply those laws. >> so meanwhile, the bizarre tweets that we've gotten from

the president about whether or not the military is going to be a welcoming place for those in the transgender community. and the president sent out this series of tweets kind of catching everybody off guard. and we had nancy soderberg saying that those within the pentagon they thought the president was announcing a war situation until the tweets were finished. but if folks didn't vote for president trump but heard them on the campaign trail and promising rights to the lgbtq community, this tweet catches folks off guard. it is seeking a solution to a problem that doesn't currently exist for the u.s. military. >> i think it caught service members off guard. in 2016, service members were told that they could come out as transgender and get medical care that is related to their transition and so you have transgender people who are serving on the front lines in afghanistan and iraq and who see their president that they've essentially been fired. there are as many as 15,000 transgender people serving in the military right now and so

for them this comes as a shock and something as a -- something of an irresponsible shock from the president. >> and one of the tweets calling them a burden, also referring to military preparedness, professor davis, when the president tweeted about something, and saying that the military is not going to accept a certain person into the military, that is discrimination of itself right there. i mean basic training weeds out folks from being acceptable or not for military service. but is a tweet really a presidential policy? a directive? >> well, thankfully no, it is not. so there is that to keep in mind. but think the larger point about any time that you label an entire class of people disruptive by virtue of their very existence, it is a red flag that really what we're talking about here is just straight up

prejudice. and so the exact same language has been used to justify why gay men and lesbians weren't fit to serve in the military and prior to that why women weren't fit to serve the military. the presence would be disruptive and even going back historically and we look at the same narrative applied to blacks and why they couldn't serve next to white service members. so that kind of language, thankfully, i think we've seen in the intervening days, a lot of people including senator hatch have come out and not been in favor of this. it is a horrid kind of stance to justify and in any kind of way and indeed the president didn't offer any justification for such reinstating the ban on transgender service people. so here we have an example where the policy doesn't even serve a legitimate goal, and even conservatives are at a loss to

make sense of it. >> but when we think ryan about certain policies and rights granted to the lgbtq community through the barack obama administration and its years in office, is president trump trying to see how vulnerable the lgbt q community is, basically a trial balloon of a tweet to the transgender community via his power over the filt. >> yes. i think the president did this as a knee jerk think and not thinking through the consequences and that it would no unnoticed on capitol hill. we saw that the president pledged that he would be a friend to lgbt americans during the campaign. and since coming into office there is very little evidence of that. we've seen him withdraw guidance protecting transgender students and little things like the white house not proclaiming june as lgbt pride month which previously white houses have done and this is a latest in a series of things where the president is seeing how far he can go discriminating against lgbt people and what happens next with religious exceptions,

allowing discrimination against lgbt people is another incident where we see the president testing the waters and gaging the reaction he's getting. >> and a trial balloon from this administration. and thank you. i appreciate it. up next, russia responding with new sanctions against the u.s. because of the sanctions passed by the senate and the house. the president has to sign the congressional sanctions against russia, it also includes north korea and iran. but russia reacted before the president has even signed this. why do you think that is? back with more in a moment.

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sanctions in russia in part for meddling in the 2016 election. so the congressional sanctions include iran and north korea. and it takes away some of the power to ease the penalties that trump had little choice with when it comes to the nearly unanimous support in congress. so it is veto-proof. in response, russian president vladimir putin kicking out hundreds of americans working in russia. i want to bring in former federal prosecutor john fitz given and also molly mccuen and shaka villy and back with us charlie savage of the new york times and charlie let me start with you with the president saying and the white house, putting out there that the president was going to be signing this. but saying that he had instituted some negotiations and critical elements of the deal. what do we know about what the president tried to get in these sanctions? >> well so this bill changed a little bit at the end with some

exemptions that would allow sanctions against companies working on certain pipelines coming out of russia into germany, i believe and one other pipeline. but i believe that is small gear, a little bit of a face-saving excuse for a president here who is faced with veto-proof majority in both chambers on a bill that he clearly didn't want to sign at all. and you know, part of the way we think about this is just trump and russia and all of the sort of immediate swirl and chaos that we've been living through but there is a much bigger picture here that is remarkable and i think we should pause and think about. it is -- this is not how sanctions usually work. under presidents of other party, sanctions usually are liftable by the president who is running the country's foreign affairs ab able to react to things in realtime and negotiate with other foreign leaders around the world with the strength of being able to say, yesly do this if you do that. it is quite a remarkable think for congress to handcuff a

president and not give him the ability to speak for the country on something like that. it is something that presidents of either party would hate and the fact that trump is being essentially forced to do this by a congress controlled by his own party is a sign of extraordinary weakness. up, the whole issue about trump has been is he going to be an authoritarian president, as some of his rhetoric might suggest an out of control executive power person or is his disfurpgz and the pash back enjenders going to make him a weak president. in bill and the fact that he's being forced to sign it taking away his own authority the quote

of the week from the russians is essentially we gay trump a

chance and he hasn't taken it. and he failed to take it. but this is how it was always going to be. and trump is the only one who doesn't understand this, which is why the congress has pushed these sanctions through. you know, what president trump has really failed to understand in his dealings with the russians, president pugh tan also enjoys a good cage match. he also enjoys expecting people to deliver to him without really any reward. and if you look at the russia behavior since the election, not for one day since donald trump was elected, not for one day have the russians ever shown any sign that what they want is a better relationship with the united states. every day after he was elected they were pushing forward in syria, in libya, in north korea and afghanistan and ukraine, all of those are directly counter to u.s. interests. russia required the united states of america as its economy and there is no sign that that is going to change. >> this has been a win win, john, for russia whatever the circumstance that happens right

now, they can kind of claim an upper high ground because america remains paranoid oid about this administration and in its president until bob mueller gets to the end of his job. and we know at the beginning of this week started with kushner speaking to the senate intel committee. where do we think is that this investigation goes from here? >> well, there is no doubt that mr. mueller and his team are gathering records. they have enormous powers, as oul prosecutors do, from banks to tax rurps to business records, different transactions, witnesses. i suspect that they are laying the foundation and gathering the facts and then there's probably a great deal going on behind the scenes between the lawyers for some of the different individuals and mr. mueller's team. they're probably arguing over evidence gathering, they're giving profrs or statements, perhaps, of their position. so there's a lot going on.

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all right. so it is the most unconventional convention we can find. it's happening out west in pass dina, california and plit consequence -- excuse me, journalists, pundits, political junkies they are all under one roof. nbc has a large presence. one of our favorite people is out there and helping all their folks get their fix. so, jacob, explain what's taking place there and the hottest topic for folks that are mulling around in politicon is what?

>> yeah, thomas, so out here in pass dina it's basically come con for political in other words. check out this line of people lined up right here just to come bay and say hello to us. come by anytime over the next two days. we're going to be here the entire time. all kinds of topics, including the ongoing russia investigation, of course, the big bill on health care, anthony scaramucci, the new white house communications director, reince priebus, secretary kelly is coming in. i see attorney general haf year from california was talked about as a vice presidentel running mate to hillary clinton. the secretary of state of the great state of kentucky, i asked her about her former senate opponent mitch mcconnell and what he had to say after the health care defeat the other day. here is what she told me. >> when you kick everybody out

of your sand box and expect to actually get something done and it doesn't happen, you can't blame anybody else but yourself. we actually need democrats and republicans coming together to make the reforms necessary to the affordable care act. that can be done, but i think what we saw was a victory for millions of americans. the tears that we saw mcconnell shed, they weren't for any kentuckians. they were for himself. >> of course there are people from all political striems out here from southern california and a lot much them are coming by the morning ocoffee bar right now. >> what are you getting, an iced coffee? >> who are you looking for. >> david from and rob reiner. >> there you go. david from and rob reiner. nice to meet you. all kinds of stuff going on out here, thomas, and again, you've got a full another 24 hours to show up here if you're in southern california. >> all right. jacob, great to see you. thanks so much. save me a t-shirt. if there are any lying around, get me one.

>> we ran out of t-shirts. we'll have some more tomorrow. >> that's going to do it for me this hourg. thank you at home for watching. i'm thomas roberts. msnbc this evening and joy reid is next. have a wonderful night. i had bringing aides sometimes with almost 300 motorcycles. even i was depressed. i said how long would it take you to straighten out this problem? he said if you gave me the authority, a couple of days. and he gave me a card. and i sent to the mayor. i said you ought to try using this guy. guess what happened? never heard -- i i said please don't be too nice. like when you guys put