sew doubt about our supports, about the efficacy of the american democracy. it's how he weakens the european union, nato, it's how he sets himself up to programs act in u stona without the united states being able to fulfill its article 5 obligations. it's worrying. >> all right. on that worrying note, it's going to be it for us. that does it for this hour. i'm nicole wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now with the fbs katy terr in for chuck todd. >> you were supposed to get rid of all the breaking news last week. >> sorry. i saved some for you. >> if it is monday, another one bites the dust. >> tonight, communications failure. white house communications director anthony scaramucci is out on john kelly's first day as white house chief of staff. >> the president certainly felt that anthony's comments were inappropriate for a person in

that position. >> and general chaos. >> i predict that general kelly will go down in terms of the position of chief of staff one of the great ever. >> we have got an inside look at how president trump operates and how a white house should operate. >> the thing that general kelly do is not try to change donald trump. >> plus, senate republicans health care effort crashed and burned. can a bipartisan solution rise from the ashes. >> i don't think it's ever until we fix health care. there's also a possibility for a bipartisan traditional kmujts over the next six months to do something. >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm katy terr in new york in for chuck todd. welcome to "mtp daily." general kelly meet general chaos and general dysfunction.

after gist six days on the job white house communications director anthony scaramucci resigned today. he was ousted on general john kelly's first day on the job as white house chief of staff. the white house's initial statement suggested that scaramucci resigned, but just moments ago at the white house press briefing it sure sounded a lot like he was fired because of that obscene and profane enter voo view he gave to the new yorker last week. >> the president certainly felt that anthony's comments were inappropriate for a person in that position. and he didn't want to burden general kelly also with that line of succession. as i think we've made clear a few times over the course of the last couple of days to several of you individually, but general kelly has the full authority to operate within the white house and all staff will report to him. >> but the white house would not definitely come out and say that

scaramucci was fired. >> did general kelly ask him to leave or did the president ask him to leave? did he volunteer his riz nation or how did that come about? >> i'm not going to get into the process particular to come. look, as we've said several times before, what matters most to us is not who is employed in the white house but who is employed in the rest of the country, and we're focused on the president's agenda of growing the economy, creating jobs, and that's what we're going to do and that's what we're going to be focused on. >> so as you heard kelly now has full control over the white house operation, which is reeling right now. he takes over for reince priebus, who resigned late last week which is an ironic twist of fate because scaramucci wanted priebus ousted. he called him a paranoid skriz phrenic in that new yorker interview. the announcement that he was being hired just ten days is what prompted white house press secretary sean spicer's resignation, which isn't actually effective until later this month. so will he still go?

president trump said today there is, quote, no white house chaos. so if that isn't chaos, what on earth do you call it? my colleague stephanie rule spoke to skr consider last night. he did not sound like he knew this was coming. i spoke to scaramucci this morning. he said he was in the bunker, trying to de-escalate the tension surrounding him. it begds the question what exactly changed between last night and this morning? chief of staff john kelly is walking into a five-alarm file of political, legislative and foreign policy chaos, and his boss has a well established tendency to want to fan the flames rather than trying to put them out. which is why the single biggest question right now is this, what is kelly's mandate? and here is something we don't say often. president trump did something you'd expect him to do. he shook up his staff in an attempt to reset a struggling operation. but as this president has shown us time and again, you have no

idea what comes next. i'm joined by nbc's kristen welker from the white house to try and figure it out. but first, kristen, was anthony scaramucci fired or did he resign? which is it? >> oh, i think he was certainly pushed out, katy #. there's no doubt about that. look, i think a couple of things happened. you had the fact that there were a number of people opposing anthony scaramucci coming on board in the first place, from steve bannon to the outgoing press secretary sean spicer and of course reince priebus who now is no locker part of the administration. so i think that's the fist part. then you have that explosive interview that he gave to the new yorker in which he had that profanty laced rant unleashing things that we can't repeat on tv against reince priebus, against steve bannon. i got the sense initially the president was okay with it, but i think there was a backlash that was mounting within this administration, including within

some of those within the president's own family. i am told the first lady was very bothered by what she had heard. ivanka trump, even though she was a supporter of anthony scaramucci. i had conversations with top officials here who said, frankly, it's a disgrace that someone who uses that type of language should be allowed to serve in the west wing. and then enter general john kelly. there was a lot of questions about who was going to report to john kelly, who would report to president trump. i think that he wanted to make it very clear, he wanted to set the tone off the bat that this is a reset and a restart, if you will. and i think he found those comments to be unacceptable. and i also think he just want to take things in a different direction. so we're trying to drill down on some of the timeline and some of the fact, but the bottom line is there was a mounting sense that anthony scaramucci was standing in the way of the president's agenda in those ten short days since he had been announced instead of contributing to it and pushing it forward, katy. >> it's interesting that you say

the family had turned against him, because you're right, it was ivanka trump who sat down in the oval office with her father and anthony scaramucci last week for about an hour, hour and a half and decided that he was going to come on and be the -- or two weeks ago now, the communications director. so she was intimately involved in getting him hired in the first place. kristen welker at the white house. kristen, thank you very much. >> thanks, katy. >> i'm joined by nbc political analyst andy card who was white house chee of of sta under president george w. bush. great to see you. >> nice to see you. >> let's try to flush out what's going on. anthony scaramucci gets ousted on the very day that john kelly gets sworn in as chief of staff. hard to argue that john kelly wasn't the one who decided to move him out. >> i'm sure that he was invited to resign. >> which is basically saying resign or we're going to fire you. >> and that not inappropriate. that's the way the white house should function. people should have a chance to resign. and so i think he was given the opportunity to resign, and he

took it. but i think it also demonstrates that the new chief of staff is coming in with authority that is relatively clear. and some were questioning whether or not he would have that authority. i think he earned respect before he came to the white house, and he's been given permission to command respect at the white house. >> so what is his mandate now? >> well, county attorneying to what we've just heard it's likely that everybody in the white house will maybe not report to the chief of staff, but they're going to report through the chief of staff to the president. >> what does that mean? does that mean that ivanka trump or jared kushner or steve bannon want to go meet with the president they've got to go to john kelly first or if they do -- >> if you're a commissioned officer at the white house, special assistant deputy assistant to the special or the highest level, you are poinld by the president, not by the chief of staff, but the president. but it's appropriate for the president to say i'm appointing

you, but i'm expecting you to have you work through the chief of staff. that's the discipline. >> this white house is unlike any other. and most of that is because this president is unlike any other, and he thrives on chaos. that's the way he's always operated. that's the way his campaign operated, transition up until now. who is to say that john kelly is going to be able to instill order within donald trump when everybody else has failed before him? >> i think the jury is still out on that. but i know that generals don't believe in leadership by chaos. by definition they are asking young men and women to follow tactical commands made by a general, and those commands will not be followed fr they've been ordered in a climate of chaos. so i think the generals in particular understand how important it is tow a clear understanding of the strategic direction you're heading in and the tactical zigtsz that have to be made to get there. >> that's john kelly. >> that's john kelly. and he understands that. >> does the president believe

that? that's the question. >>ible that john kelly is educating the president to the realities of how real leadership has to function. >> do you think he'll listen? >> i'm hoping that he will. now, it won't be perfect and i think the president will continue to reach out to the american people through his ability to tweet. i'm just hoping that he's very careful with the words that he uses and there's a decision to understand the consequence before the words go out. >> so what if donald trump decides to tweet early tomorrow morning late tonight going against something he saw on cable news or deciding to denigrate the republican party for not pursuing health care the way that he wanted them to do that, what does general kelly, now i guess civilian john kelly who is chief of staff, do with a president who has his own microphone and chooses to use it as he has choeds ento use it. >> well, i hope he walks into the oval office, shuts the door and says mr. president, i we need to have a candid conversation.

i was blindsided by something you did. it doesn't help me to help you. if you feel strongly about something, tell us, we'll talk about it, and then we'll help you find a way to communicate the way you want to to to the american people, because that's really important. your ability to communicate with the american people is very important. >> is john kelly taking a risk with his reputation by taking this job? >> i think general kelly, first of all, understands what he's doing. i don't think that he's going into this with his eyes closed. i think his eyes are wide open and is he knows that he has earned great respect and great honor and the gratitude of a nation -- >> will he lie on behalf of the president? >> i cannot imagine that john kelly would lie on behalf of anyone. >> would he sanction his staff to say things that maybe weren't true as we saw sean spicer did when he came out and talked about the inauguration crowds. >> he worked with some remarkable people, leon pan et at that, bob gates right at the top of the list. he worked very closely with congress when he was the liaison -- >> this one is so different. >> no. i think that he, he will bring

john kelly's discipline and character and i'm going to say honor and that hopefully will help the president recognize just how noble the responsibility he has is. the oval office is a special place. president trump is coming to recognize that. today he had an event that demonstrated it with the medal of honor winner. >> very few people in this country can say they know what it's like to be in the oval office and telling the president something he needs to hear when he doesn't want to hear it. you are one of those people who can say that. andy card, thank you very much for letting all of your expertise to us here at msnbc today throughout the hour as i hope you get some time to rest now. >> thank you, katy. >> we've heard the same piece of advice from people close to trump whether it was trump the candidate, the nominee or the president, let him be himself. >> the thing that general kelly should do is not try to change donald trump. chuck, as you know, i said you have to let trump be trump.

that is what has made him successful over the last 30 years. that is what the american people voted for. and anybody that thinks they're going to change donald trump doesn't know donald trump. >> the president himself is always going to be the president. i was in the oval office with him earlier today and we were talking about letting him be himself, letting him express his full identity. i think he's got some of the bs political instincts in the world and perhaps in history. >> we're going to make sure donald trump is comfortable about being in his own skin, that he doesn't lose that authenticity that you simply can't buy and a pollster can't give you. >> why would i change? if you have a football team and you're wing, and you get to the super bowl, you don't change your quarterback, right? i'm not changing. >> an advisor to the campaign. he's also few people who knows what it's like to be hired and i'm sorry, sam, fired by -- >> three times. >> three times, multiple times. so donald trump, you heard him right there. why would i change? why would he change now with john kelly in charng? >> well, change in terms of

what? change hids public when he's at these campaign events? if he's speaking to his people, that base. now, if you're talking about changing.dynamics of the when the white house, changing the way things are operating, i think this is a very good step. you have john kelly who is not i assume would not go into this position unless he had parameters which were accepted by him. >> like what? >> as far as i understand, they're not going to have such a walk in policy. they're not going to have -- they're going to have more order there. >> won't just be able to walk into the oval office. >> right. i won't be able to. that's a good thing. whether or not -- look, one thing i did say and i said this to you privately awe the time. no matter what you think of reince r of sean, they had a very tough job. those first six months of work, for donald trump while he's president of the united states, the first citizen president was going to be very difficult. but i think president trump realized that they had to make an adjustment. it's going to be an adjustment

that applies to every one, including jared, ivanka. >> including steve bannon. >> including steve bannon. >> r one is going to have to go through john kelly. do you think from what you know of the folks in this white house that that is an adjustment, that's a change that they are going to be willing to make in order to sow order in aid place that has been a gotting to put it nicely. >> well, i think a lot of the chaos came from within these factions that are inside the white house and if they're able to operate more as a team. you have to make adjustments. remember, you had a lot of rnc folks coming in, you had a lot of folks from the private sector coming in. frankly a lot that weren't involved with his election s may not have even voted for him. and then you had the people like steve bannon and those people coming in too. and i think bringing somebody in like this like john kelly, his experience in the military obviously shows that he can be a leader. i think we'll see. >> what's donald trump's deal with military leaders? why is he so differ he shall to

them? >> well, he always talked to me about he went to military school. it seemed to him that he was able to bring some order that he was -- he's written about this publicly. i'm not just saying it. that his parents thought he needed a little more discipline. he excelled there and he respects their service. so in terms of him with that and in terms of this idea that he looks at himself like the boss, the general. >> yeah. >> a general type that i think this is going to be a good change. >> so john kelly goes in to him and says you've got to stop tweeting. >> well, i wouldn't do that. i wouldn't advice -- >> hey, maybe stop attacking the republican party s stop attacking people for their looks, hey, maybe stop getting into personal fights on twitter, hey maybe stop doing any of the number of things that donald trump tweets light at night or early in the morning. >> i think if you said to him, look, you tweeted something about foreign policy about north korea about china. >> or confirming parts of the russia investigation that hadn't been confirmed by anybody in the white house. >> i think that he could say that's prop attic.

everybody says to me does he take criticism in the president will hear what your thoughts are as long as you talk to him constructively about it, as long as you say to him, you know, mr. president,let me just tell you some people may consider it this way. it's open to interpretation that way. look at what you're doing here. i don't know if this is going to help us in the long run from what we want to achieve. you can have a rapport with him like that. if you come in to him and you say to him you're going to have to change, you can no locker be the donald trump of the past. it's just not going to work. >> is he sad to see scaramucci go? >> am i -- >> is zt. >> i'm sure he is. this was a gamble. the real tragedy of all of this between anthony and reince is he didn't get in the beginning. tlp wouldn't have been this toxicity that there was between reince and him. it went to a lot of this white house drama too and i think that then it wouldn't have been anthony is on the outside. anthony is a very good man. i know that this last six days,

these were really out of the ordinary from the anthony scaramucci that i know and i'm sure he's going to have a lot of success. but just like the president he had to adapt to this quickly and. the reason liz ainterview was really problematic especially for people like me who wanted anthony in all the time. >> was donald trump wrong to higher him. >> no. >> shouldn't eye white house reporter know when to be on and off the record. >> yes. >> so is that a mistake in hiring him. >> no. it's a mistake that anthony made. he's been suggestionful in the public sector. donald trump is out of the box. this is an out of the box situation. it's not going to work with somebody like i like sean. sean was put in a position where it just wasn't going to work because -- >> because donald trump didn't trust him. >> well, if an rnc type background is not going to work. they need to find a communications director that's out of the box, zbliet good night. >> who is that. >> i have no idea. i think jason miller would be great if he would take it.

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>> that clean slate phrase made a reappear answer today. the white house press secretary's office released a statement saying, quote, anthony scaramucci will be leaving his role as white house director. mr. scaramucci felt it was best to give chief of staff john kelly a clean slate and the ability to build his own team. we wish him all the best. we are back with more "mtp daily" and more white house chaos in just 60 seconds. showing off my arms? that's cool. being comfortable without a shirt? that's cool. getting the body you want without surgery, needles, or downtime? that's coolsculpting. coolsculpting is the only fda-cleared non-invasive treatment that targets and freezes away stubborn fat cells. visit coolsculpting.com today and register for a chance to win a free treatment.

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they're going to go to the moon pretty soon. >> how do you make that argument -- >> it's the only argument you can make. you know, there's obviously some p personality problems happening in the white house now and it all goes from the top, i think, frankly. look, i think the president has created an atmosphere in his white house where there is no playbook for staying in his good graces or keeping him pleased and that's why it's a leaky white house, frankly, and that's why there's all this cop stantel fighting back and forth. >> is kelly going to be able to put a lid on that. >> for a while i think he'll be able to. and also we keep hearing a word discipline and that's a popular word to describe it. i also think he will be very operational. i think the white house needs to get on track with hires, moving things along, moving their agenda and i think he can be very helpful with getting white house hires done. >> what is the mandate? he needs to go who goes to the white house, the leaks together, or is he going to be in charge of getting donald trump himself

on track? >> they did a profile on james baker recently and he said what you want to be a chief of staff is to manage the staff, not the chief. and in this case i think he's coming in to manage the chief, to manage donald trump. so the left of the staff can actually do their business. that's going to be incredibly hard with the infighting. and because he does not have the liaison to congress, he's going to have -- kelly is going to have a really hard actually kpekting those dots and making sure that they are walking front and center together. >> i mean, put reince priebus had the connection to those in congress and nothing got done. ultimately do you -- >> but he didn't have the president's respect and he didn't have the president all full congress behind him. when he spoke he did not speak with the authority of the president. fending on who you were talking to at that particular time was speaking on behalf of the president. incompetent that kelly is going to really need to show that he speaks with the authority of the president in moving things forward. >> there was a really interesting piece out about the final humiliation of reince

priebus. i think it's a volleyball piece. correct me if i'm wrong. but this story in a way is the story of the republican party itself. his initial wear iness of trump gave way to ka pit lags and then enabling. he swallowed his private qualms to be part of the team. publicly disgrasd, dismissed in a tweet. gosh, i mean, reince priebus really sacrificed his self and his reputation for this job. who is to say that john kelly is not going to be doing the same exact thing, nick? >> it's entirely possible. look, as an important reminder, stfs reince priebus who set trump with the small donor operation that was a success. it was reince priebus who convinced the big donors on the republican side to not jum ship. it was reince priebus who was the glue between this guy and a very nervous establishment for a long time. with reince and spicer gone and with more of their people

perhaps gone in the coming days, there is no more glue or connect active tissue between the tra dibl republican party and the trump white house. it's gone. >> so where does he go? does he go democrat or -- >> he goes trump. what's interesting is right before the show i had a connection with someone that worked very closely with dhs and when kelly was put in they felt that he was basically going to steward that ship, continue a lot of the dotted lines rft obama policy. in retrospect they said it was a trump yes man. and it will be interesting to see if elcontinue to be able to have the ear of donald trump while doing the right thing for the american people. >> what happens when donald trump says i have bigger crowds than barak obama when it's demonstrably false or voter fraud when there's no evidence to support that, what does john kelly do? does he resign in protest because he won't be made to lie to the american public or does he do the yes man bidding and say you know what, i'll find a way to deliver this message? >> well, most of the time the

chief of staff isn't responding to donald trump's tweets, but if he is put in that situation -- >> if he's on met the press or any of the sunday shows and gets that question. >> i think if it goes against any personal integrity that he has, he won't go there or he'll go there for a bit or if he has to the television on "meet the press" he's going to answer the question in line with the administration. donald trump has to start worrying about the folks who are going to leave versus the people he wants to fire, because that's going to be the story coming up, the people he loses. so if he does lose, for example, general kelly, that's going to be more attic than him firing anthony scaramucci. >> so reince lasted six months. what do you give kelly? >> you know, i can't place bets on the air. i think that the marine corps and the trump white house could not be more dissimilar.

there is not a kind of esprit de corps that you want to see in this white house. the lines of operational work and accountability you normally see in a white house. and again, it goes back to leakiness. when people are constantly afraid of their jobs and their position and think they're about to be on the losing end of a power struggle, they leak. >> you know something we would have been talking about if it p wasn't just the need tore somebody to go in and get control over this white house, what about all of the generals that are being put into place into what are normally civilian roles. susan, is there a concern that there's just too much military influence right now in our government? >> that's something that a lot of people are concerned about. because, again, all of these people are military backgrounds don't necessarily understand all the way government functions and government works and has the back and forth with people. they're not politicians. they're from the institutional background. and i think that is giving a lot of pause to people. and like we talked about earlier, there's no connection to the republican party.

also, vice president pence no longer has a couple of connections directly into the white house with people he could put in. >> yeah. what happens with pence? >> and that's going to be interesting to see how that relationship goes forward. >> and there's also a lot of speculation that the reason they moved out kelly to chief of staff is sessions might be moved over to dhs. >> on going chess game. checkers game. i'm not sure we can call it chess. stay with us. we have so much more to talk about. still ahead, how will the latest shake up at the white house reverberate on the other end of the capitol hill? and is there new hope for a bipartisan solution to health care? stay tuned. why put another crossover on a road already filled with them? why give it headlights like jewels? a body that feels sculpted? why give it an interior where even the dash is cut and sewn by hand?

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welcome back. so what happens now after republicans last week failed to pass their health care bills, lawmakers on both sides are taking this moment to reflect on how to move forward. late this afternoon reuters reported that republican senator orrin hatch, the chairman of the finance committee, believes senators, quote, are too divided to keep working on health care overhaul legislation and that he and other senior republicans will take that message to the white house. president trump has said he wants republicans to keep trying to repeal and replace obamacare, tweeting this weekend that they should demand another vote before voting on any other bill. and also seem to threaten pulling what are called cost-sharing reduction subsidies that lower costs for people with low incomes, calling them, quote, bailouts for insurance

companies. but some lawmakers like republican senator susan is collins yesterday on "meet the press" have pointed out a move like that could wreek more havoc on the current system. she is just one of a number of members of coming pleading for a bipartisan solution to fix the problems with obamacare. and this afternoon we saw one idea emerge when a group of what claims to be 43 house democrats and republicans called the bipartisan problem solvers caucus release their own proposal aimed at stabilizing the insurance market. joining me now is a republican congressman of new jersey, a member of the problem solvers caucus and also democrat swal we will of california. and gentlemen, it is wonderful to have you both on at the same time. i'm going to start here in the stud weo with congressman lance. you go the a proposal where you talk about bringing those cost-sharing reductions payments under congressional oversight and appropriations. you also want to adjust the

employer mandate from 50 employees to 500. and repealing the medical device tax. do you think that those things will be enough to fix the issues that are out there with obamacare? >> i certainly think it's a step in the right direction, katy. and i think that we should start from the middle and work out from the middle. and i'm pleased to be a part of the problem solvers caucus. and our attempt to say that this system needs to be reformed because there certainly are challenges to it. and this was a give and take and not everybody got what he wanted, but that's the art of compromise. and i think a way forward. >> you are somebody who i think needs to make an effort to work with the other side because your district i think hillary clinton took it by just one point. you live in a place where bipartisanship is necessary, new jersey. what about the others in your

caucus who are from more conservative districts who might not have that same impetus. >> i certainly think republican colleagues of mine will favor elimination of the medical device tax. it's a very onerous tax and to up the employees from 50 to 500 is something that will be very attractive. and on the democratic side will attract -- >> let's find out. anything that we've talked about so far sound appealing to you, the csr payments under congressional oversight and appropriations or adjusting the employer mandate or repealing the medical device tax? any of those things work for you? >> thank you, katy and thank you to congressman lance for putting out ideas rather than just seeking repeal. no. i do like a lot of what congressman lance and his colleagues in the problem solvers caucus have put forth. particularly congressional oversight for cost sharing. i'm a democrat who has voted to repeal the medical device tax.

that affects a lot of my constituent companies. also, katy, i had a hike with your rep event this week and i took a hundred of my constituents on a hike and republicans and democrats alike told me, if there's issues, fix it, but don't get rid of it. and they talked about what they've enjoyed as far as the pre-existing conditions protections and seeing their premiums go down in coverage that they've never had before. so i think leonard is on the right track here. let's sit down and talk about what we agree on rather than going right for the repeal button. >> a lot of democrats are coresponse organize a single pair healthcare bill. if you're starting from that extreme, do you think republicans going to be able to come to the table? it's like republicans saying we're going to repeal obamacare, is it not? >> well, no. i actually think we should have a public option also being considered. i'm telling you right now that i am open to working with republicans whatever we can do to strengthen the affordable

care act. i should also point out i think senate republicans understand what it takes to strengthen it because in their repeal and delay legislation, they delayed the repeal of obamacare for two years and they prescribed as a solution the cost sharing pafrts that leonard talked about, tax credits for small businesses as well as put in risk -- so they actually know how to strengthen the affordable care act. we just think you should strengthen it all the way into the future not put take two year deadline on it. >> eric makes a good point about pre-existing conditions. i've held quite a few town hall meetings this spring. we may hold a fifth one in august. and my stit wentsz are uniform that they do not want any change in the provision regarding pre-existing conditions. and i think that that is a matter where we can agree and certainly the problem solvers is caucus agrees on that. >> what about orrin hatch? you just heard him a moment ago saying that -- or i just said it, actually, as saying that republicans are too divided to

find any sort of solution for health care and that they should just essentially move on? >> i think we should move on to tax reform, but that doesn't mean we can't do two things at once. i think the debate on tax reform should begin and should begin immediately when we return to session in september. but that doesn't mean we can't continue to work on health care. >> congressman swal we will, are you concerned at all about those voters in your party who may say i don't want you to help this administration get anything done? i don't want anything that could have potentially the label of trumpcare succeeding? >> no. i think most of my constituents understand that if there's something wrong with the pilot, the whole plane goes down. so we have to root for the success of the country and also we shouldn't just let him bluj on the affordable care act so that he's so unpopular. this actually hurts people if he's able to do that. so as leonard said, we do have to find ways to make it work. and i am concerned about the counties, the bear counties as they call them that have very little competition. and i think we can actually find

ways now to do that. and orrin hatch, i hope, when he tells the white house this is met with a response of, okay, find ways to work with the democrats so that we can strengthen the affordable care act. that would be a positive result for r one in the country. >> would you take that message to the white house if you were given the opportunity? >> i would and i think this can be a win for the president and for the administration, a win for the new chief of staff, general kelly. i think it can be a win for all of us in washington. but most important of all, a win for the american people. >> chld gentlemen, it was lovely having you both on at the same time to talk about ways to find a solution rather than ways for the other side to find a solution. it was a true brelt of fresh air. meanwhile, we will be right back. but when family members forget,

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health care bill collapsed last week. relationships with capitol hill are souring. and there are dueling foreign policy crises, one with russia, the other with north korea. and with that, it is time for the lid. the panel is back. theresa, and nicholas. and susan. nicholas, that sounds so formal. north korea, donald trump was asked about the missile test, you know, testing a missile that could potentially reach chicago a little bit earlier today he said they're handling it, they're handling it, they're handling it. what does they're handling it mean? >> that they just received the memo that this happened. no, seriously, they're trying to figure out how to get out of the mess of engagement and become friendly once again with the chinese. but they are blaming this all on the chinese. >> are they trying to get mad at the chinese? the president tweeted that china is greatly disappointing him, something to that effect. he tried to use the carrot and now he's using the stick?

>> you know, we started out thinking if we engage with the chinese, we throw them a nice dinner, but they fail to understand that china does not have an interest in peace on the korean peninsula, for one thing. two, their own agenda -- >> why not? >> because they want a divided korean peninsula. >> it strengthens them? >> it strengthens them. more importantly, trump has an agenda on trade, where they're constantly fighting with china. >> yeah. >> we saw the breakdown of the discussions over economic reform with china recently. they haven't really got a card to play with here. >> still, there's a lot of talk about the first strike, that america might make the first strike on north korea. however, that might look. the white house is refusing to say yes or no to that, only that all options are on the table. susan, what do you think of

that? >> well, i agree with nick in that -- you know, unrest in the peninsula is a good thing for china. but they're only going to go so far until it's really bad for them. the issue of, if it gets that close to a first strike, china will have to take some moves against north korea. they don't want to see that. >> how do they know we'll get close to a first strike? do we give them a heads-up on that? listen -- >> they have more information on north korea than we ever will. they fought them off for decades. that's the reason they can keep a certain amount of stability or even change a regime if necessary. they can also stop by -- there's a lot of options for china to take action. the question is, when i hear the president say, oh, we'll handle it, really? people have been trying to deal with this for decades. this is not an easy slaugs. i think those simple off-the-cuff comments are really problematic, how we approach not

just this problem, but how we handle -- >> how are we getting peace in the middle east? >> katy, i think this is more of the president projecting. ronald reagan basically was able to shift the focus of american people when he wasn't doing so well at home. is donald trump starting to basically prepare himself and start projecting engaging in a country perhaps -- >> a war with donald trump? >> when you get closer to the elections and people feel their security is at risk, 99% of the time the americans go after the commander in chief. what other countries can it be? i think this is where we have to be very wary. but i do not -- i would not put it off the table that this is something that they are considering. >> it's certainly possible. the problem is, a strike against north korea or conventional attack on north korea means instant death of thousands of american troops in the dmz.

there are no good options. >> the international policy, we can't rely on our allies to have our backs on other things. >> it's so -- it's a reminder that there's chaos in the white house. we're talking about this intrigue every day, who's up, who's getting fired, who's getting ousted, who's the next chief of staff, what's going to happen to so-and-so come monday. but ultimately there's some serious business going on, not only north korea, but look what's happening in venezuela, what's happening in pakistan, russia, talking about spelling a number of our diplomats. there is serious stuff happening around the world. and with that, we have to go. thank you, guys. after the break, los angeles gets the gold. what's with him?

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it seems early, but you can catch the 2028 summer olympics right here on the nbc family of networks. be sure to set your dvr, or whatever you'll be using to record television in 11 years. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily," the beat starts right now. hey there, ari? >> katy, thanks for the hot tip on the dvr. >> only for you. a big show today. donald trump reportedly loved anthony scaramucci's vulgar attacks on other aides. but in the trump white house, it looks like loyalty is much more expensive. put aside the vulgarity and the most substantive of anthony scaramucci's interview was his boast that he reported directly to president trump. but the news this evening is that trump's new chief of staff