f e way. so you can focus on what you do and we'll handle the legal stuff that comes up along the way. legalzoom. legal help is here. let me remind everyone what the president has said about this. it's a witch hunt. it's fake. last night i believe he called it a fabrication. >> i worry about the government having that kind of power. notice what muler is doing, changing the targets. >> i'm going to say something right now, nobody has ever said before "god, i wish i had jury duty." i'm available. i'm available. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." no, you cannot get out of the trump era with jury duty. sorry, stephen. while you're settling into your weekend, donald trump is

beginning the second day of his 17-day vacation which also happens to be his 59th day at one of his own properties, since he's been in office. his particularly lengthy excursion to his garden state golf club will enable trump to finally beat president obama at something -- vacationing. by the end of august, trump will have spent three times as much of his presidency on vacation as obama had at this point. which is interesting, considering the trove of old tweets from then television personality donald trump such as barack obama played golf yesterday. now he heads to a ten-day vacation at martha's vineyard. nice work ethic. special counsel robert mueller is tapping multiple grand juries in his investigation of russia's interference in our election. grand jurn jury in al sand alexa

began subpoenaing documents months ago. the "new york times" reporting investigators working with mueller asked the white house for documents regarding former national security adviser michael flynn. nbc news has not verified "the times" report. former prosecutor sima ayre, elizabeth holtzman, paul butler the author of "choke hold: policing black men" and former white house ethics lawyer richard painter. i'll start with the ladies here. talk about the significance of the second grand jury as opposed to the one in the eastern district of georgia. why is it important to have the second grand jury in d.c.? >> this is a special grand jury and it's appropriate given a high, high profile case but not that extraordinary. this happens all the time in any high profile case even when it comes to state and local type of prosecution. so it's not that extraordinary. >> elizabeth there was a discrepancy between the three sort of versions of the story

that came out. the "wall street journal" story said this is a special grand jury impaneled for. the "new york times" story said it's an existing grand jury one that was already existing. is there a difference, a material difference between the three? >> well, could affect the time that it runs out, because grand juries only serve for a particular period of time. >> certain amount of time. >> but other than that, i don't think, that's not the real issue here. the real issue here is that mueller is seriously and methodically and thoroughly moving forward with top prosecutors, and they are going to investigate. >> general grand jury hears a lot of case, that was the flynn grand jury. this grand jury is just impaneled just to hear the russia investigation, that is it. they won't hear anything else. >> paul butler, we talked about the significance of it. jay is he cue leewas on fox thursday essentially saying that the scope of this grand jury's investigation should not include

donald trump's finances. let's listen to donald trump's lawyer, jay sekulow. >> there's supposed to be an investigation as it relates to russia interference with the election and whether they were working with the trump campaign. that's kind of the general mandate here. so to look at a real estate deal from ten years ago, which is what some of the reports came out from bloomberg news or "business insider ogs or both would be way outside of the scope of the mandate and we'd certainly object to that. >> paul butler, is that true? >> the president's lawyer is correct. there's always mission creep when there's a special counsel looking at everything you've ever done but you know, grand jury investigations are supposed to be secret. i don't think robert mueller minds this leak, that this investigation is going on, because that kind of boxes the president into a corner. reportedly he was considering firing robert mueller, going through the attorney general's office to do that. now if he does, know being this grand jury investigation, it more evidence that he's trying to impede this investigation.

that's obstruction of justice. so i don't think he wants to go there. >> richard painter, in case he wants to go there despite that, you now have two different senate proposals that would protect bob mueller, one would be on the front end allowing him to object to being fired, the other -- object to being fired and another that would create a panel where he could object after the fact. do you think that these proposals will give the white house pause about trying to push mueller out? >> well, i would think so. i think those are good bills they ought to pass through the senate and the house, but i'm not sure we need them, because i can't imagine that the president would be stupid enough to try to remove his attorney general jeff sessions, who has many friends over in the u.s. senate, and then put someone else in there who would fire bob mueller, which would be an act of obstruction of justice, and would make the acting attorney general be vulnerable to criminal charges. that plan just isn't going to

work, and the white house needs to stop talking about this. hearing the president talk about the russian investigation, kellyanne conway and the rest of them, it's not helping. the policy in the bush white house was don't talk about a matter that's under pending criminal investigation. no comment. that's the only appropriate response rather than shooting your mouth off and saying stuff that's not true, and this attempt to try to keep people from talking about non-classified information, this attack on so-called leakers of non-classified information is really getting out of control. they are trying to cover things up, and now they're talking about bringing lie detectors into the white house, at least kellyanne conway was talking about that. i suggest they put one on the press podium. that would light up like a disco it's crazy. >> you have the attempts to discredit the process seeman. there's a reality donald trump

did not do well in the district of columbia and alan dershowitz go on wabc radio and attempt to discredit the entire process based on race. let's take a listen to alan dershowitz. >> there's only one other nation in the world other than the u.s. that employs a grand jury, it's liberia and there's a reason why, because everybody now realizes that grand juries are an undemocratic farce. >> that of course is not alan dershowitz. that's gregg jarrett, a fox lawyer, saying the whole thing is undemocratic. >> i don't think people are talking about this, joy. the grand jury process is inherently biased and i spent a very long time in the grand jury bureau. it is a one-man or one-woman show. >> the prosecutor's show. >> the prosecutor's show and the witnesses don't even get the benefit of having their lawyers in the room. there's no he said/she said. it's only one-sided and for that reason, it is a bias function of

the government. >> and i'm not a fan of grand juries in general in the way they operate necessarily paul butler but one of the ways that trump's supporters and backers are trying to back him up is by saying the competition of this grand jury is unfair to donald trump. on friday, on wabc, alan dershowitz told rita cosby the racial and ethnic makeup is stacked against donald trump because d.c. has so many black people in it. that seems one of the more absurd arguments against the grand jury process. >> alan dershowitz was my criminal law professor but i'm here to teach, professor dershowitz you're just wrong on that issue. period before the grand jury many times. they take their job as objectively as any other group. you know, people can complain the grand youry process is unfair because the prosecutor controls it, but why complain in

this case? why not complain in literally hundreds of thousands of indictments that grand juries bring every year especially against people of color. we don't hear trump and sessions complaining about the process then, only when it applies to these rich white guys who are implicated in russiagate. >> indeed. we never hear -- we hear the opposite. jeff sessions wants to go after people more. elizabeth holtzman, what do you think we'll see come out of this? we have a d.c. grand jury which suggests the things they will be investigating have to do with potential crimes committed in d.c., in the white house. who are we potentially talking about here, is this kushner, is it manafort? >> keep going. >> donald trump, michael flynn -- >> roger stone. >> roger stone, everybody whose name has been mentioned and those names who haven't been mentioned yet. this is nonsense about finances. they're going to be looking at the finances because in the end, if they find a connection between trump and russia, they're going to want to try to understand the motivation and

finances are going to be the motivation or they'll look at finances to see if they can follow the traits and the mandate for the special prosecutor is not just the russia investigation but what comes up during his investigation of the russian interference. >> yes. >> so if he finds other things, he's got full jurisdiction, and i agree with the point by the way dershowitz was my law professor, too, family law, not criminal law. he should have stayed in family law. >> richard painter there is this looming possibility donald trump may try to get folks out of this or get his former campaign team and former national security adviser out of this with pardons. how do you think that that would go over if donald trump started pardoning people to try to extricate them from having to go before the grand jury or would that extricate from having to go before the grand jury? >> no, it wouldn't extricate them. once they're pardoned they can't plead the fifth amendment not to incrim nate themselves because they're not going to get

prosecuted so he'd go right in front of that grand jury. that would not work. that would end with his impeachment. i find alan dershowitz's comments about a grand jury very offensive. black people could be just as fair to donald trump as white people. this race bait something unacceptable. i'm a graduate of the university that employs him and for him to be shooting his mouth off talking about the racial makeup of a grand jury it's offensive. it's offensive to our system of democracy, and the united states and of course he doesn't like grand juries because he spent most of his life defending very rich people who were very guilty going back to the von bulow trial. he doesn't like grand juries but doesn't need to bring race into it. the race bait something unacceptable and we should not be encouraging that and president trump has been doing a lot of it, people working to are him. i'm shocked to see a prominent law professor engage in the

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we are cracking down strongly on sanctuary cities that shield criminal aliens. we are building a wall on the southern bordeborder. our proposal prevents new immigrants from going on welfare for at least five years so you don't come in and go on welfare. our plan favors applicants who

can speak english, who can support themselves financially. >> clearly donald trump knows which lines will get the biggest applause in places like west virginia, one of the few places where he remains very, very popular. trump spent much of his campaign speech there on a republican plan to slash legal immigration by half. it's a bill that would need 60 votes to pass the senate and thus is almost certain to fail. but with no power on capitol hill, a party that no longer fears him, policies ham strung by his own agencies or by the courts and polling that could best be described as dismal, it is i think fair to start to think of donald trump's presidency at this point as mostly performative. in other words red meat theet is all he have. joining me, jason johnson, noel anyikpoor, maria teresa kumar

thanks for being here. the performance aspect of what donald trump is doing now has gone back to where it was in the campaign, very much directed at immigrants, the implication being immigrants of color coming in and getting on welfare. what do you make of him returning to that well? >> first of all it's a year since he announced his presidency and he's back where he started in large part because he realizes he keeps losing in the white house. this fact that he has so much theatrics and chaos and upheaval in his own rank and file in the white house, he realizes i need to give something -- we can't underestimate how painfully difficult it was for him to lose health care reform. he's saying look over here because i don't actually have legislative agenda is basically what he's doing. >> noelle it's interesting, this is happening at a time donald trump is finally starting to bleed white voters. there was an extraordinary set of numbers from quinnipiac showed in february up plus 4 with white voters overall, now

down minus 17, dropped 17 points. he's dropped one point with white men, his strongest base of support and even among whiters with no college degree he's negative seven, gone down. he's starting to erode the base. is that why you're starting to see him go back to the well and is that a cynical take on his part on what will motivate white voters? >> the numbers that you put up, if he is starting to lose support amongst his base, what do you naturally do? you do what attracted them and you go back pretty much on the campaign trail, even though you are president, you go back and you rally that base. did you look at the background of the people when he did that? they were like, rah! that actually exhilarates donald trump, and he feels like that rallies that base, and it keeps him on tilt. now, the other thing that i thought was kind of funny is the fact that the republican party as a whole has had a problem attracting minorities and hispanics or whatever to the

party. with this immigration bill i think this is going to drive a wedge, so i'm not sure if they have thought about the true implications and how this is going to affect not only some of the people that crossed over and added to that base but newcomers are going to be like wait a minute this might not be fair to me. >> we were talking about bringing our conversations out but people who are in business, small businesses aren't going to be thrilled about this bill even if they are republicans. >> this is what we were talking about and this is true. it's that in this bill, the immigration bill, did you guys know that they snuck in a wording that kills the eb5 financing. it does a lot of tricky things. >> that's a kind of visa. >> what's so funny is the eb5 finance savannah guthrie the trump family and kushner family enjoyed, not only just them but i've got people that i know that are in it. i've got a lot of donors in it. if it's a program that worked right it's great. it gives $18 billion worth of

foreign investments that comes into this country, and not only that, but it helps the gdp. the more foreign workers that we have, the more that the gdp, the growth productivity depends on that. so all of it goes hand in hand and he's taken credit. he sent out a tweet on the economy, he's taking credit for that. part of this has to do with a lot of the good workers that we have. >> chris metzler on the affi affirmative action, i'll inspire my base, based on attacking affirmative action, you have the justice department that is supposedly going to, they're seening job listings for investigation, suing universities on reverse discrimination. even if you look in higher education, people who are republicans who work in the field of higher education are saying don't do this. how is this helpful and what does it say about what donald trump thinks of his base? >> well, first of all, it's not helpful at all, and let's just kind of clarify some language

here. i for the life of me don't understand the concept of reverse discrimination. it either is discrimination or it's not. when we talk about reverse discrimination, what we're saying is, there is regular discrimination, and when it comes to discriminating against white men, this is a special and kind of sinister form of discrimination. so as a purely legal term, that makes absolutely no sense. that's number one. number two, as it relates to the whole question of affirmative action, so here is the issue. based on what the proposal is for this new immigration status, that is, in fact, affirmative action. you are giving preference to people based on being able to speak english. so here we are, having legislation talking over, out of

many sides of its mouth. it makes no sense. >> yes, and you know, at the same time, jason, you do have to, noelle's point, donald trump what he needs are the emotional, he needs to be rejuvenated himself. >> right. >> does go back to it. i have to play this, which is going to look like it's from the campaign but it's actually from this week in west virginia. this is donald trump in west virginia and his crowd. take a listen. >> what the prosecutors should be looking at are hillary clinton's 33,000 deleted emails. >> now is that going to be enough to keep the base -- they're not going to lock up hillary clinton. >> he cannot get over his ex. it's like get over it. she doesn't need you anymore. this is donald trump. here's the problem and in all of these different policies he's rolled out this week apply to this. so he's lost the republican party but gained a grand jury, right? he's lost white voters and now

he's going to gain fights with universities primarily predominantly white institutions, what he's going to be fighting if jeff sessions goes along with this plan. none of this is productive. this is the key thing joy, great job numbers on friday. excellent job numbers and yet his poll numbers are dropping, why? because he's failing to provide the enthusiasm and the pass activity that he claimed he was going to bring when he got to the white house. so this is -- i'm not going to say it's a failed presidency yet but you can keep throwing things at the wall and it's not going to work and that's what he's realizing these race-based white nationalist steve bannon policies he's promoting aren't enough to get white voters to support him. >> he seems to know they're not real. one of the most extraordinarier in things about his, the leaked transcripts of his conversations with the president of mexico and with the australian pm, he admitted in the january 27 call, i'm willing to say on the wall that we'll work it out, meaning who is going to pay for the wall, but that means it will come out in the wash and that's okay but you cannot say anymore

that the united states isnyouni to pay for the wall. it's like it's the least important thing -- >> throw me a bone. everything donald trump is doing with the help of jeff sessions is basically trying to disenfranchise people of color in communities quickly to dismantle the systems we put in place. >> or at least say he's going to. >> but the idea, this idea that all of a sudden we don't want affirmative action, for example. we are actually not preparing the leadership that we need in the next 25 years. we have a majority minority group of americans coming in in less than 25 years but we're not ready. this immigration policy is completely anti-american. it's elitist. it is saying the american people we're no longer asking for the best, the brightest, the people that come here with five bucks, we want the rich people. that's how we should be leveling. >> from an academic perspective and college professor this is hurting the country financially. students with money from abroad are like i don't want to come here anymore. they're going to school in china

and europe and other places because this administration is saying you, and now your money are no longer welcome and you're exactly right. 40% of the american population under 15 are brown. these kids are going to college no matter what kind of policy. >> let me let chris in. >> yes, so here's the problem. the problem is this. there is no cohesive strategy. that is what i'm waiting for. what is the strategy? instead what we have is a m mismosh, like shooting in the dark, like shooting fish in a barrel. as a strategist i would have to say there is no strategy. there is a lot of talk. there is a lot of random policies but there is no strategy. the result is going to be a collapsed economy. the result is going to be further division. so let's not pretend that because what we now have is a general as chief of staff that

that solves all of the problems. >> yes. >> the white house is one thing. america is another. >> noelle? >> one of the things that i think is going to be very interesting with this immigration policy coming forward is the fact that what's this going to do in theed a mid elections, you have legislators populated by immigrated districts. are they going to support this or break and go rogue and say i'm not -- >> eight republican seats in california alone, you've got seats in florida. it's not as if all districts are white. >> there are 56 districts that have at least 7% latino population in seven states. it's not like they're not paying attention. all the red meat they're throwing people are feeling under duress in these communities and the only way they're going to be able to fight back is participating at the polls. i do think this is part of a larger strategy of disenfranchisement. this is why jeff sessions is trying to ensure that we have

voterorfeitures, you're going to prison for a minor weed violation. until the american people come forth and say this is not on our watch it is going to be dismal. >> last word to you chris metzler. >> i think that's the shallissu here. we're going down a rabbit hole here rather than moving america forward. we can, you know, take credit for jobs and we can do all of that, but at some point, what's going to happen is that the base is going to realize that these policies, so-called policies, these rallies, all of those kinds of things, is not making their lives better. >> better, yes. >> and that's where we lose as republicans. >> yep. >> and until we realize that, and start taking action towards that, we are sadly mistaken as

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jobs, jobs, jobs. the unemployment rate is at the lowest point it has been since 2001. we saw the dow hit an all-time high this week. the stock market is up. the economy is booming, ladies and gentlemen, and jobs. there have been almost 800,000

new jobs created in this country since donald trump took office in january, and speaking of jobs, foxcon is a company who has promised up to 13,000 new manufacturing jobs in wisconsin. >> well, that was donald trump's daughter-in-law, lara trump, who works for his 2020 re-election campaign. you can never start too soon and this week hosted a new facebook live broadcast to counteract all the "fake news" with reliable pro-trump messaging. the economic headlines do certainly look good right now, more than 1 million jobs have been added since trump took office. the unemployment rate narrowly dropped down to 4.3% and the economy grew at an annualized rate of 2.6% in the second quarter. now, is this all evidence of trump's success? he certainly seems to think so. but since trump hasn't actually implemented any policies affecting the economy or pass, signed any legislation related to it, does he deserve the credit? joining me is tim deher of the

heritage foundation and austan goolsbee. this should be fun. tim, i'm going to start with you. you wrote a piece in "the daily signal" a conservative news website, this is what you wrote about the strong jobs report for july "it gives trump momentum for fax tax reform. since trump's inauguration we averaged nearly 184,000 new jobs per month without any substantive reforms. instead gains of likely come from reducks in harmful regulations that make it easier to run businesses in the u.s." you believe there's no affirmative policy by donald trump that's made the economy grow. >> there's nothing passed through congress. several attempts by the white house to do that but really you can't credit obama for something he didn't do, i mean he grew -- >> obama or trump? >> you can't credit obama for something he didn't do and what you said is his economy, and trump's growing at 2.6% at this point. he's seeing over 1 million jobs created so far.

this is a big win for americans. this say big win for coal miners in west virginia, this is a big win for manufacturers right here in detroit where i am and so i don't really see this as something of obama's. this is definitely of trump's. >> hold on a second. you're saying that trump hasn't signed any legislation that's made the economy grow, but he deserves credit for the economy but barack obama, who had eight years of signing legislation in policy deserves no credit. could we show the chart for job, obama deserve no, sir credit for this, started off in the red and finished quite well. he deserves no credit but donald trump in seven months deserves all the credit? >> i'm saying that donald trump has projected a posture not only through speaking but also through regulatory reform, regulatory action throughout the agencies, to sort of unleash businesses and letting them thrive and letting them produce, letting coal miners go back to work, letting manufacturers hire again.

>> how many coal jobs are there in the country? take a guess. >> there's several. there's millions of coal jobs and those attached to the coal industry. >> not millions, but it's about 54,000. >> but those attached to the coal industry, and mining industry and all those, there's millions of jobs there, and these are jobs that are coming back. there's been 7,000 jobs per month average since donald trump was electriced in november. this is directly related to president trump's policies and his posture. >> i'm -- austan, i'll let you take this. essentially what is being argued by your fellow tim donald trump just the way he speaks has made the economy flower but that barack obama in eight years did nothing. economic growth at 2.6% which is true, and tim pointed that out, however the economy has grown 2.6% or more in 81 of the last 145 quarters since ronald reagan became president including 14 times during the obama administration. so given that, austan, does

donald trump get credit for the 2.6? >> look, we've had, i believe, 84 months in a row of job growth and the last six of those have been under donald trump. it's like a guy built a house and sold it to someone and that person walked in and turned the lights on. it's like look at this house i built. if you take the job creation under donald trump, it's actually slightly slower than the equivalent just last year, so the first seven months of last year we added more jobs than we have in the first seven months of this year. i would say the economy overall most of the economy as you know has nothing to do with washington. to the extent that it does have to do with washington, it's totally obvious this is merely a continuation at exactly the same rates as what happened under barack obama, and i would simply point out that when it happened under president obama, it was

donald trump himself saying you can't trust the statistics. these are all lies. there aren't this many jobs getting created, and literally with fewer jobs being created in the same statistics, donald trump is now saying look what i did. >> what do you make of that, tim? you put the chart back up the average in the first six months of 2016 when barack obama is still president the average was 187,000 jobs a month. the average in the first six months of 2017 is 184,000, slightly less. so isn't, doesn't austan have a good point there? >> look, the stock market tells it all. it rallies when there is good reports, and including the nfib who reports that small business confidence is the highest at all-time since donald trump took office. i'm not arguing that there hasn't been some residual lingering effect. i that's not my point. now is the time to act on this posture from the white house p now is the time to do tax

reform. now is the time to continue doing regulatory reform. now is the time to repeal obama ca care and remove the leash on small business and business around america. we have the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world? now is the time to act on that. now is the time to dig in. we're seeing these numbers respond. that's my whole point. >> if there was higher -- hold on if there was higher -- >> my point is we've added 15 million jobs since obamacare was passed and now the approach is hey, let's do the opposite. look, do you actually think that if we do the opposite and we go back to the old well of let's cut taxes for billionaires and let's try to do the things that george w. bush did before the economic recession, that that will give us a different outcome this time than the last time it did. >> now look austan you know better than anyone when ray dan d reagan did what i'm advocating we didn't see 184,000 jobs

average. we were seeing 300,000, 400,000 jobs a month. we know this works. >> your timing is confused. if you recall the reason we had a massive boom in 1984 is because paul voelker cut the interest rate ten percentage points in the run-up to the boom. when george w. bush most recently did exactly the thing that donald trump is proposing, we had the weakest recovery on record followed by a massive recessi recession. >> didn't we have a recession in '82 and '38 after ronald reagan had his huge reslashing budget? this is e10 for my producers. . is the employment growth in the economy, the change since june of 2009. you so he that blue line, that's full time employment, really going up high. we also have seen finally income growth start to go in the right direction. i think we have that chart as well. so we are seeing numbers that began going in the right direction under president obama. tim, you have to admit that the

economy recovered. it didn't just recover in the last six months. it recovered in the last eight years. >> look, president obama's growth in the gdp was pathetic. >> it's 2.6%. >> last year the economy grew at 1.5%. that's not good. that is not good. the economy has not been growing. you can choose and pick all that you want but the bottom line is that gdp has been stagnant. we have an average -- sorry go ahead. >> you bragged about donald trump having 2.6% growth. the economy has grown at 2.6% growth 14 times during the obama administration and 81 out of 145 quarters since reagan. i'm not sure the statistics are with you but we loved having you on. sorry we're out of time, tim doescher, austan goolsbee appreciate it. >> thank you so much. coming up in our next hour, more on robert mueller's investigation of possible ties

to russiagate. more after the break.

one more note about our last segment on job creation thanks to the amazing producers here at "a.m. joy." a net of only 600 coal mining jobs were created during january and july, not the 7,000 our previous guest alluded to. also according to "the washington post," the entire coal industry which i said employs 54,000 people. it employs about 76,000 people. however, that is fewer people than actually are employed at arby's. not saying those jobs aren't oimportant. saying there aren't this many, it's a small industry compared to retail and some other industries. so we just wanted to make sure we're accurate with our numbers. meanwhile up next, for an administration that was all about draining the swamp, it looks like the trump team are having some challenges with a leaky drainage system right inside the white house. more on that next.

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intelligence community. the department of justice is open for business and i have this warning for would be leakers. don't do it. this nation must end this culture of leaks. we will investigate and seek to bring criminals to justice. we will not allow rogue anonymous sources with security clearances to sell out our country. >> on friday, attorney general jefferson beauregard sessions announced his department of justice is getting tough on leaks. he said the doj is pursuing three times as many leak investigations as the obama investigation in its final days. this crackdown comes one week after trump publicly lambasted him and threatened his job in part for not going after leakers tough enough. well, it also comes ten months after this. >> wikileaks, i love wikileaks.

they want to distract us from wikileaks. it's been amazing what's coming out on wikileaks. this wikileaks is like a treasure trove. >> back with me is maria temporaries kumar and paul butler. he loves wikileaks, just not leaky leaks. listen to more of jeff sessions because one of the things he wants to do caused some learn in first anticipate circles. take a listen. >> one of the things we are doing is reviewing policies affecting media subpoenas. we respect the important role that the press plays and will give them respect. but it is not unlimited. >> paul, what he's talking about is potentially going after journalists your thoughts. >> first we have to note that the attorney general is all in on leaks when there are issues out there that could use the attention of the department of justice including police

brutality, corporate fraud, violence against transgender women of color. yet, he's focused on leaks. there are first amendment concerns because now he's going to start subpoenaing the journalists who are reporting all of this vital information about how our democracy is not working under the trump administration. for a long time the department would not subpoena journalists about their sources unless there was some vital issue of national security. the justice department before sessions was following not just a letter of the first amendment but also the spirit. the trump administration is backtracking on the first anticipate. >> even paul ryan who has been a huge defend ker of trump said regarding those comments, intel leaks are the problem of the leaker not the journalist. moving on to another thing he talked about, he talked about the leaking of troes transcripts of the phone calls between donald trump and leaders from

australia and mexico. take a listen to that. >> no one is allowed to surreptitiously fight to advance battles in the media by revealing sensitive government information. no government can be effective when its leaders cannot discuss sensitive matters in confidence or talk freely in confidence with foreign leaders. >> now, that's actually true. people that i have spoken with that come from the national security world say it's alarming if conversations between the american president and world leaders are going to leak out it, makes it difficult for other world leaders to have any interest in talking to the president. is that a problem of need to investigate and find and attack people or arrest journalists or is this just more of the problem with donald trump and his administration? >> i think he's absolutely right. it does erode trust among world leaders and their bait to ensure we're going to be part of our bargain. i think the challenge is there

is so much chaos within the house, the people don't trust the president. many people say the reason they're thinking is they think this is their patriotic duty so the american public can be aware of what's happening. sessions is on thin ice with the president. when he says he wants to go after leakers he's saying i like my perch at the department of justice where i can expand and throw people back into jail because of minor weed violations. i like the fact now i can investigate affirmative action. he's going to hold on to it as much as he can. >> this feel like this has his way of getting back in good with the president is going after leakers. at the same time, he is also spuring this agenda that has to be alarming to people of color because it seems to be directed a lot at people of color. >> he's going after affirmative action. he said he didn't read the ferguson report about police brutality. what's he focused on? last week, the president said that sessions is so weak on

leaks and now we secessions all focused on leaks. so he's injecting politics into the department of justice in a way that undermines the rule of law. i worked under two administrations, republican and democrat. i was so proud to say that politics didn't come into the work of prosecuting people for crimes. i don't think people who are there in the justice department in the sessions administration can say that. >> and also, maria also on the issue of immigration, there's a lot of people concerned he's going to go after revealed daca, young people who revealed themselves to the government because they thought were protected and they're now another target. >> sessions is confused of the attorney general. he's not supposed to abide by the law and supposed to protect the most vulnerable. by going after daca recipients, he's basically breaking what the government promised to do, to protect them, come out in the

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in this week ratcheting up the war and the man leading it robert mueller. >> let me remind everyone what the president has said about this. it's a witch hunt. it's fake. a fabrication. >> mueller has put together a democratic hit squad that has donated tens of thousands of dollars to let's see, democrats including hillary and barack obama. >> even julian assange of wikileaks which u.s. intelligence agencies view as a nonstate hostile intelligence service that played a role in russia gate got in on the game tweeting on friday is robert mueller a dirty cop? hmm. of course, all these attacks won't stop the fbi and mueller from digging into team trump. nbc news that the special counsel is using those two grand juries to obtain records and further his investigation. and from what we know so far it appears mueller and the fbi are leaving no stone unturned. subpoenas have been issued for

records of business transactions by former trump campaign manager paul manafort on michael fine line. and according to reuters, subpoenas have also been issued in connection with the june 2016 meeting between donald trump trr, his son-in-law jared curb nurx paul manfort, a russian lawyer and other russian nationals. "the new york times" reports investigators have also asked the white house for documents related to flynn and have questioned witnesses whether he was on the payroll of the turkish government while also working for trump. nbc news has not independently verified the times report. while the investigation vepz completely out of his control, donald trump finds himself boxed in on capitol hill, as well. the united states senate with the full support of republicans who till now have generally protected trump at every turn have blocked hip from potentially replacing his attorney general with somebody who could end the investigation while congress takes its august

break. in other words, trump finds himself mired in problems no stump speech, no friendly cable channel and no tweet can fix. malcolm nance, noel nick poor, maria kumar, that vide jamali and richard painter joining me. cnn reported on friday that robert mueller is pursuing information about donald trump's financial ties to russia. a quote from that piece sources described an investigation that has widened to focus on possible financial crimes, some unconnected to the 2016 elections. just take us into sort of spy world and the way that russia works. why would that matter financial ties unrelated specifically to the election? >> this is -- everyone has said follow the money. this seems to be the crux of a lot of speculation. i think it's a logical road to go down. what's going to end up happening, the big question here is what if mueller comes across

a crime that isn't directly attributed to the russia investigation. i know mueller is limited to investigating things that are set forth in his mandate. if it's not something in his mandate, he has to either ask permission to investigate or refer to the doj. this will be an interesting political battle. this question of collusion, this question of financial ties if they don't bear out which we don't know what he knows, there are these second crimes, we talked about flynn and kushner, let's assume those are in fact stand alone events that do rise to the level of criminality but don't trace back to russia, what happens then? that is a real danger to embroil us into a larger political debate. you can't let the crimes go. if they don't trace back to russia, there's going to be a pretty big push backing. > pitched painter, what does happen if in the course of this investigation the mueller team were to find crimes not related directly to the election but go to things like money laundering?

we've heard lots of stories of trump doing business was rush r russian oligarchs who allegedly tried to launder dirty money through his properties. if those kinds of crimes are found and not related directly to the election, what happens? >> they'll still get prosecuted if we're within the statute of limitations by mueller's team or referred over to the department of justice. we do prosecute serious crimes in this country. the special counsel should focus on the money trail. we're not going to do what we did 20 years ago and have the special counsel get involved in the president's sex life and whether he lied under oath about his sex life. if it's about money and russians, he's going to pursue it. i'm getting tired of hearing kellyanne conway and the others attacking robert mueller who was our fbi director when i was in the bush white house. i've. a republican for 30 years and many of us are very proud of the service that robert mueller has done for his country over many,

many years. and these attacks on the special prosecutor are uncalled for. the policy in the bush white house was not to comment on pending criminal investigations. no comment by the president or anybody else. and they would do themselves an enormous favor if they focused on doing their job and focusing on policy while robert mueller does his job. >> malcolm, you have the "new york times" reporting mueller is looking into various things about michael flynn's finances, who was paying him, whether turkey was paying him. that's not directly related to russia. how does the financial entangle thes of this team relate back to potentially to russia gate. >> every time i come on i have to explain to people because lots of people say it's just an fbi investigation, hillary had one. no, it is a national counter intelligence investigation. from june of last year, they started looking for americans who were cooperating,

coordinating communicating with russian intelligence officers and by extension, the kremlin. the first thing that u.s. counter intelligence is going to do is we're going to scrub your little financial world. we're going to throw a circle around you, go back 20 years and they are going to determine were you picked up in a dangle. that's where they hang out money in front of you or some other inducement. there's suspicion that donald trump's palm beach mansion purchase, i believe that was. >> for the sale of like $50 million. >> he won $50 million profit on that in a building that was raised soon afterwards. that could have been the dang to see is trump a player? is he the kind of guy if we drop money in front of him, he'll do whatever we want. after that, you have miss universe. counter intelligence people assume that about every individual that they meet whether it was my security clearance, naveed's security clearance. when they see us, they determine do we have a financial link to a foreign intelligence agency.

they must do this. and it explains why he hired one ex-fbi counter intelligence director and 16 financial crime lawyers. >> right, right. you know, for the republican party, this has been sort of an gordian knot because they want donald trump there to sign the legislation they want to pass and they want to protect him. you also have the dow's morning news reporting you've got republican who have taken money from this or that, big ukrainian sort of russian connected person. they're not exactly clean hands when it comes to taking money from similar kinds of people. but at the same time, how long can they hang on to a guy whose approval rating even when you get to republicans is now down at 76% which sounds high except it had been 88%. >> i think a lot of people are wondering what's going on with the brand of the republican party with donald trump because donald trump has his own brand. and i wrote a column basically that said you know, we've got

the golden crusted elephant which is donald trump and you have the old gray elephant which is the republican party. who wraps around who. with donald trump's personality. >> reporter: think that ep is changing the republican party's brand. i don't really think the republican party's gray elephant brand is changing donald trump. remember when he got elected he said all this is for show basically. he said when i get elected i'll be more presidential. i understand. that's not the case. he's still doing his 3:00 a.m. tweets. that's donald trump. that's what he is. but i'm not so sure that's the republican party. like i said this before, pundits like me go on the shows and talk. it puts us in a strange position because we want to protect the president. this is the president of the united states. he's a republican. and we want to also be respectful and protect the party but sometimes they go against each other. it's almost like uh-oh, do we just choose to go behind him or

choose to take the party? what do we do? >> at the same time, you have a party, maria teresa that is by wrapping it self around donald trump and this idea it is actually okay for a campaign, a presidential campaignton seek help not just from a foreign government but from a hostile foreign government, that has been mind blowing to a lot of republicans. >> i think if we first lay out the fact that donald trump is not part of the traditional republican spectrum and ideaologically, but the fact that the republicans are going behind him it's because they want to hold on to power. they're putting power over country. that is dangerous. i think there's a lot of republicans that are no longer in office scratching their heads saying what is going on? why aren't you standing up to him especially increasingly members of your base are at thing you they want governance. this idea that folks are going after civil servants because they're leakers they're servants because they believe in the institutions in which they serve

and want to put again country over party. >> richard, you as probably longest serving member of the republican party, is that the disconnect that you feel? it does feel strange as somebody who is old enough to remember when ronald reagan existed, that this posture toward russia that is washing over the party and part of the base, it is weird. and i wonder how had you sort of receive it as a republican. >> well, i'm old enough to remember, i was 12 years old when nixon was forced out of office. i'll tell you, he did a lot of damage to the republican party but the damage being done by donald trump is much more severe. the republican party has stood for a strong national defense, has stood for our independent of foreign interference in our elections, and in our democracy. we've always been vigilant about the attempts by the russians to

destabilize the american political system and also western democracies. and trump is focusing only on one person, donald trump. and he was never really a republican. and he took over our party. a lot of people in the republican party do not support him. quietly. they are thinking very seriously about whether mike pence would be a lot better president for the next three, three and a half years. because if we have much more of this, i think we're in very, very serious trouble. >> one little bit of perspective. is he a republican in the sense that he understood that the base really wanted policies that go after immigrants, that go after muslims. it's very popular with the base. >> that's not our base. that's not a republican base. that's a racist base of people who for years didn't even vote republican. that is not the base of the republican party. we don't want those people in the party because they're not going to make america great again.

they're going to want to turn this country into a racist au white dominated regime. that's not what the republican party is all about. this is the party of lincoln. i do not want people describing steve bannon, breitbart as the base of the republican party. >> they are attached to the party now, noel. >> well, every kooky group looks for attachment to a party. the surprising thing for me was the fact that i really believe that donald trump was a moderate. i kind of believed he was socially liberal. and economically fit on the republican plat for conservative. i was shocked to see about the lgbtq ban in the military. >> transgender. >> that's one thing to me i don't know why, but i really was like what? i came away wearing the suit of the riddler. this is not the donald trump that a lot of new yorkers knew as somebody that was supremely tolerant especially with ivanka. >> except on housing where he

didn't want the blacks to move into his building. >> you know what i mean? this was very surprising to me. i actually thought because of hip being more identified to me with the moderate side of our party, that he would -- that we had a chance to kind of pull more of the moderates into the spotlight and change the republican party brand as more of kind of a tolerant come one, come all and they were being more open minded and then the lgbt. >> but i think it depends how you experienced him. if you were black in the '80s and early '90s and you experienced donald trump, you knew this was the guy. >> i was a republican most of my career. i mean, i was socially liberal but hard on defense. i mean, i'm right up there with colin powell. we're both flaming liberals now. the party has shifted to this nativist base of you know, from the 1950s and '60s and they want to go back there. but the worst part is, i mean, richard painter put it right.

there was a time where we're all old enough to remember where the republican party stood for defense. the republican party stood for nato, stood for a strong united states and financial interests worldwide and most importantly, stood against russia communist influence. now they adore the exdirector of the kgb, adore him. >> what happened to the working man? >> part of the challenge is we're looking at donald trump as in a vacuum. he didn't happen overnight. we had an effort and a propaganda machine conditioning americans for the last 12, 15 years and helped rise the tea party which is part of this. >> what happened to the working man in the working man got behind that base. so what about that? >> i'm going to give you the last word, naveed because i wonder just from the point of view of where you come from, you as well as malcolm, you know, how destabilize is it for people who spent probably their careers

fighting against what russia is trying to do to find that the commander in chief, the guy at the top, he's never said a bad word about vladimir putin and he can't seem to. >> that's absolutely right. we've gone back and forth on this. the thing i've always gone back to is the protection of the institutions. i'm really concerned what this is a moment we're all in a car on major degreen in august with the kids screaming in the back in traffic and there's that temptation to go around all that traffic and there goes that speeding black suv in the break down lane. we all stay in the traffic because we know it's the right thing to do, we're scared of seeing a cop around the corner. those institutions function the same way. whether by design if you're in an institution you sort of suffer the rules. but you kind of fall back to the application of those rules are applied evenly, equally. when you see someone like jared kushner who has done things that would disqualify malcolm or i

for a cure the clearance to get a hard pass, that is fundamentally, it doesn't happen top republicans or democrats, it is fundamentally undermining the institutions and saying there are two separate traumpbls of rules that the president of the united states can be held to a separate standard, his family can be held to a separate standard but people like malcolm and i are not. that has an impact to the institutions the people that work at them and have lasting damage to this country whether you're a republican or democrat. >> well said, my friend. malcolm is sticking around. this is a great panel. you guys are great. we'll have you all back. coming up, the deep state strikes back. mike and i are both veterans, both served in the navy. i do outrank my husband, not just being in the military, but at home. she thinks she's the boss. she only had me by one grade. we bought our first home together in 2010. his family had used another insurance product but i was like well i've had usaa for a while,

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allow susan rice who is investigated for -- for unmasking like samantha power, like ben rose, like the general counsel james baker of the fbi like comey and so many other deep state people, why would he possibly grant a waiver? >> they're looking into there deep state. the fear there are people within the bureaucracy that are still pushing out these leaks that are working against the president's policy and they're asking -- >> i'll be blunt. is mcmaster one? because it's explicable that decision. >> the dreaded deep state. national security adviser h.r. mcmaster has become hannity and company's latest target. the outrage this time is over a bloomberg report citing two intelligence officers that mcmaster concluded susan rice did nothing wrong in the famous unmasking and another one from pro trump outlet circa that

mcmaster allowed her to keep her security clearance. he angered the alt-right with his purge of several of michael flynn's hires most notebly the ezra cohen wat nick who mcmaster tried to fire previously to be overruled by donald trump. hannity and laura ingraham in addition to anti-muslim activist frank gaffney and, of course, trump consigliere roger stone, a new site devoted to tracking the activity of russian bots notes a 5300% uptick in the use of the hash tag fire mcmaster by russian bots and tros this week. malcolm is back with me. joining me rick wilson. rick, i'm going to go to you first. you have this coordination where breitbart went after h.r. mcmaster and their headline was

nsc purge, mcmaster deeply hostile to israel and to trump. trying to paint him as anti-israel. interestingly enough, donald trump's reaction to that was a statement which he said general mcmaster and i working well together and very pro israel. i'm grateful for the work he copies to do. what do you make of that? >> well, i think that is a sign of general kelly, general mattis and h.r. mcmaster all forring the axis of adults and telling donald trump that the gametime is over with this silly inside the white house alt-right conspiracy group that had been leaking like crazy to the lunatics on the info wars side of the fence and it's interesting also that these guys got a pushback from the very top. it's caused a great rift inside of the alt-right where donald trump has said mcmaster is good

with me and i'm good with him. all these guys expected the same games they've been trying to play of revving up the frog meme guys and moving that up the weird chain of the alt-right to fox and having it blasted out by fox and rush and all that, all those folks, they thought that would keep working and the grown-ups have put the brakes on this thing hard. >> the interesting thing about it, malcolm, do you have mcmaster who had not been able to dislodge ezra cohen wat nick. he is one of the people alleged to have leaked to devin nunes information trying to essentially obscure the russia gate investigation and exonerate trump on this charge that president obama wiretapped trump tower. you do have this ecosystem, the daily caller putting out a headline, everything the president wants to do mcmaster opposes. but then you have it hit the troll world. there's a troll tracking service that essentially said, it's

called secure democracy. it shows today's top messaging priority from the kremlin is fire nsah.r. mcmaster. >> that's clint watt's team that is now tracking the propaganda trends as they come out of russia. >> former fbi agent. >> awesome guy. but most importantly, is that what you see now is there is this unspoken alliance between russian intelligence because that's who runs these trolls, this is what they call the boys from olinka, russian bots controlled by the fsb and they infiltrate and flood data into the united states into groups that want to see that message. they amplify messages and ping-pong messages. in mcmaster, whatever he is doing, moscow wants him out of this job. they want the steve bannon jared kushner wing of the axis of incompetency so to speak to go there and push what they want done. but mcmaster, he's a soldier.

and like mattis and kelly, you notice we now have three flag ranked officers now running things inside the white house. things can only get more difficult for moscow at this point. so i believe that there is this is whole network that needs to push the jared kushners and the steve bannons and breitbarts to the top in order to continue meeting the goals of moscow. >> so is there a real deep state? it's interesting to me, rick, why we've nope each other on twitter for a long things. back when you and i first starred tweeting, it seems like there was a -- it was the left that more had this sort of paranoia about the keep state, this idea there was a sort of embedded permanent military style bureaucracy constantly pushing the country war, that pushed the country toward the iraq war. then you had the metaleft right, the sort of glenn greenwald, wikileaks, the era, the snowden

sort of meta i don't know if they're left or right that said we have to fight the deep state. now it has become a totem of the former conservatives saying they're afraid of the deep state. what do you make of that? >> i think the migration that's happened here particularly on this alt-right section of our politics is one that they always feed on the classic hoff setter paranoid style of american politics. there's always a sort of underpinning in our society of concern about unaccountability in government. and the fact that it's moved over to the right tells you a lot and the fact that they believe the deep state opposes ruch for all these baroque conspiracy theories whether it's the international jewish conspiracy which is right under the surface of all these things, on the cover of the mcmaster website that was set up, they go after george ser rose basically

as the jewish banker controlling mcmaster. all these things that they have that paranoid streak and deeply freaked out sort of fantasy, this dark fantasy world that doesn't really exist. the folks in the quote deep state are the by and large american patriots who are seeing there's vast russian influence over the trump administration and there's vast russian connection to the trump administration and that's why they're speaking out. >> and part of these same left right you have now people that are generally left, people like me saying wait a minute, are we now saying that the sort of only hope for the republic at this point is the cia, the nsa, you know, and generals that are now sort of infused at the white house? you almost have military generals inside the white house that the right sees as a coup in the making but that many who are freaked out by donald trump quite frankly think maybe this is who has to save the republic. >> i would love to have stepped

back time and gone back to watch mad some and jefferson discuss this in a bar somewhere in philadelphia because they had to have thought at some point, we're going to get king george iv and he's going to take over as president of the united states and we'll have all three branches of government. what can we do to ensure that. the bureaucracy of the government of the united states is the continuum that maintained this government since washington. the right -- alt-right right now views the government that puts out your social security checks, that delivers your mail, that comes out and defends you against the horrible muslim terrorist hoards you're always terrified of, that make your roads are now the enemy. we are just appreciating government is good, government does stand for us. government, our tax dollars do have a function and a use and the steve bannons of the world who want to dismantle that are not the people we want to continue giving government to.

that being said, secretary of defense mattis put out a memo this week about ethics in the defense department which everybody should read. it should be the standard for the white house. obviously, it isn't. there you have it. >> we have to get you to tweet that out. malcolm nance, rick wilson, thank you. we've had good panels today. next up, members of the left come for kamala. stay with us. i wanted to know who i am and where i came from.

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>> since i have you, are you running for president in 2020? >> i joke often i'm running from the president right now. the reality is, look, we got a real job lady of us down here throughout this nation with

donald trump at the helm coming after civil rights, voting rights, undermining health care. this is a full-time job. this is my focus right now. right now my job is being new jersey senator. >> that was a good one. for dras and even some republicans, the next presidential election can't some soon enough. with trump's approval ratings plunging, the democratic party is in a key position to mobilize for 2020. but the party's rising star still have an uphill bat with prerogative infighting and the trump machine working hard to undermine them. will the next leader be someone like cory booker or kamala harris? not if symptom progressives have their way. joining me now is director of progressive programming at sirius xm and former dnc chair howard dean. what basically happened this week is on monday, there was a mike.com article. the headline of which was rising

star kamala harris has a problem. people saying her recent anointing is is telling. these donors will line her coffers. blah, blah, blah, she was upset she was get all this treatment and ryan cooper on thursday saying why leftists don't trust kamala harris. cory booker and deval patrick. three people of color, three black democrats ca malharris is black and asian-american and saying they are the problem which set off a whole thing. you had a lot of people get involved tweeted a tweet storm. got attacked by several people and britney said wait a minute, i was in a meeting with busy and he had issues talking about race. now you have the two sides back fighting again. what is happening here? >> the ideological purity that some busy want to implement in the democratic party is a

manifestation of privilege. people of color and women running for office can't abide by purity tests because of the difficulties in running for office. the bottom line is you need money to win an election. if harris needs to talk to some big money donors in order to win an election so that we can overturn citizens united, you can't do that unless you win an election, i'm not opposed. we need to give her an opportunity to shine or not shine. we shouldn't undercut her before she begins. >> a lot of people prelitigating her saying she was a prosecutor so we can't trust her. on prison issues she's bad. setting her up saying he's already unacceptable. >> here's the thing and this is the part some people on the left have forgotten. kamala has her own bay hive who love her to death. she is the one name all my friends and family say do you think he's going to run. rather than criticizing that, when you're a state prosecutor, there will be issues, the democrats should this be

embracing anyone who elicits that sense of excitement. rather than being critical, let her do her job and build her resume up because the democrats need as many stars as possible to go against trump. >> howard, the howard dean phenomenon. 2004 was genuine. you were the outsider guy saying you were the democratic wing of the democratic party. you eventually got to the point where you were attacked by some of the people saying you're establishment now. this line between who is establishment gets blurred. is there any pleasing a certain set of progressives who essentially think anyone who isn't bernie sanders is not progressive enough. >> it's not so much about bernie sanders. this has been going on forever on the left. let's remember the vast majority of bernie sanders support others ended up supporting hillary clinton. >> correct. >> that's what's going to have to happen every time. we have to come together.

there has always been a section of the left which i call the whiny party, and the party that doesn't really want to win, they just want to be pure. if they go down swinging purely, that's fine the problem with that is it leaves behind it the people who need their help. if we're going to have a single payer or medicare for all or whatever in health care that covers every american as every other industrialized country has, we all have to pull together. people who sit out or crank on some candidate because they did this or did that that wasn't to their purity test is turning tear back on the very people they claim to represent. i don't have a lot of patience with this wing of the progressive party. a lot of this is a media creation. the media creates this to do. there are not a lot of people that feel the way that you all described about kamala harris. you know, i think we have to get a life and pull together and do what's right for the country

instead of have silly fights among ourselves which are perpetrated in part by the media into it is true. the mike article and week article quoted the same three people. >> right, exactly. >> i think to howard's point, it's important to understand that the people who are like i don't like donald trump or hillary clinton so i'm voting third party, thank you very much. now we have president donald trump and the people who are being most impacted by the policies are people of color and lower income people. if you are truly progressive, you don't want a president donald trump because you're supposed to care about those people. >> let's talk about the big old black he fant in the room. these are a lot of african-americans and the future of the democratic party has to be black. it's going to have to be fee pail and brown. this fear, i hear this all the time from democrats, look, we're going to lose working class white voters. democrats have been losing white people for years. it's not worse if you have cory booker. >> jason johnson, zerlina maxwell howard dean, we'll do it again. up next, the movie that rolling

stone calls a hard-core masterpiece. i will talk with the stars of "detroit," when we come back.

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>> let's not be stupid in this situation. you need to tell me where the gun is. >> the central event and academy award winning director katherine bigelow's movie "detroit" in the midst of the riots may be largely forgotten. the contents and its aftermath will feel all too familiar 50 years later. i had a chance to speak with two of the stars. i want to read you the review of the film "detroit." it is based on real events drama determined to pummel the view we are a tough unvarnished perspective on a violent episode in american racial annals that is deeply unsettling to say the

least. i'll start with you algee your age to see a deeply unsettling film, pummeling as it is. >> that's a very good review. but you know, i think it's just, it's easy as saying this is an educational tool, and this is a tool about not just white history or black history. this is american history. i feel everyone should know their american history. i didn't learn this in school. i wasn't fortunate enough to go and read this in a book. i had to wait until i'm 22 years old to find out the truth. i would simply say this is the truth about america and then also this is a tool we can use to further our conversation on how question make our justice system better. >> chris, you know, not even just the 22-year-olds. i had never heard of this either and i consider myself very well read on history. we've been, i've been covering black lives matter. this is a story that should be a part of that narrative with the emmitt till narrative and others but people didn't know it. for you, how difficult was it to approach this subject matter and approach this set of facts

playing a police officer? >> that's a good question. it's really tough. i tend to be in these roles you're not quite a sellout but you're the guy that's just kind of following the rules. you're just the everyday guy getting the job done, and then it triggers into something terribly tragic and it's a tough thing to take on, because i'd like to think like i will be that dude. i'd be that slave that said no. no, i'd probably get hit one time and be like no, sorry, sorry, you know? so i think it's a tough role to jump into. >> absolutely. algee the role that you play, it's incredibly impactful both because your character has so much talent. you have so much talent. you do the singing yourself. >> yes, ma'am. >> you get to see this is an incrediblytalletted young man, incredibly hopeful with all these dreams and then just watch it beaten down over the course of an hour and a half. how difficult was it to play that role? >> it was very difficult, one, because i've never experienced that type of brutality in my life before, so i was just trying to get myself to a

glimpse where i felt like who larry actually was but you're right. it's so just heartbreaking to see how he has so much, he's so humanized in the beginning, with the dream and what his passion is, and then as you see he gets so dehumanized as the film continues on. you wonder how someone's spirit can be broken that much. >> larry, these are real people. these are real people. have you heard from him or his family? have you had responses to your portrayal of him? >> me and larry we have a good relationship. we talk every now and then but the first time i actually met him was about a week from being done with shooting the whole film and he walked into his house and bust out laughing in my face. "you got the swag. you going to play me real good. they did good on you." he let me see all the gashz tes his body still and the cracks in his skull and took me through the memorabilia he had. >> chris, one of the controversies about the film while the portrayals are majority by brillian african-american actors including the two of you, the film is directed by katherine

bigelow from "hurt locker "brilliant director but white woman and written by a white writer. how do you respond to the criticism? >> i'd normally have a big issue with it but dr. dyson and i said -- >> michael eric dyson. >> he's amazing, and he said what better use of privilege than to honorably tell a story with the ult cimate truth which kathryn is known for and she opens up her humanity. it feels like brown skinned perspective, let me move my stuff out of the way and use this pedestal, this privilege to tell the story. she's doing ultimately what we want people to do with their privilege, tell all the troorut. >> algee, you're pursuing the dream of music. you do it in real life. did that inform in some ways the way that you approached this

role? >> it did. it made it a little easier the music side of it. i feel like the music in the film gives a sense of tranquility and takes away from the chaos. >> it does. 'a weird tranquility. you know something bad is coming. you're like this can't last. >> but it helped me a lot. that actually helped get me through it the music part of it. it was fulfilling in the theater and to sing and all the fellas and leon and jo jo and ephraim and be able to do that and bring in that part to the film. >> that is your real voice. >> that's my real voice. >> this young man really can sing. >> i try. >> check him out on itunes. chris chalk and algee smith great to meet you guys. i had a friend text me she saw some of my tweets about the i film "i don't know if i can do it." she's from michigan. see the film. it's worth the pain to have the experience. >> definitely thank you so much. >> you guys are great. good luck in your careers. chris chalk, algee smith thank

you all. "detroit" is in theaters nationwide. before we go a happy belated birthday to former president barack obama who turned 56 years young on friday. the former first lady michelle obama celebrated the man she called a phenomenal guy with a throw-back photo of the family. obama's bff for life and former vice president joe biden thanked him for his service and for his friendship and lots of celebrities also sent the former potus best wishes. actress zendaya tweeted "happy birthday to the fliest to ever about to" and george takei probably smoke for many when he tweeted "happy birthday to president obama whose grace, thoughtfulness and compassion we miss every day." we'll just let that marinate for a moment because it will mac a lot of people feel that way. that is our show for today.

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