hi, everybody, i'm thomas roberts here at headquarters in new york. breaking news with the u.n. security council nell a rare display of unity taking a hard

line against north korea. voting unanimously to vote to slash a billion dollars from the annual export revenue. the u.s. sponsoring the resolution passing with both the support of russia and china. now president trump is spending the next 17 days on vacation at his own property, a golf course in bedminster, new jersey. and kelly o'donnell joins us now not far from the property. how is the trump administration reacting to what we witnessed out of the u.n. during the 3:00 p.m. hour? >> well this is good news for the trump administration. where dealing with north korea, con fronting that threat and trying to get support from world partners have been a trop priority. we've seen the president tried to encourage help from china and at times publicly very solic solicitous of the president and critical of them not doing enough in his words. now today there was actions. the united nations has limited

tools at its disposal and what it is trying to say it north korea, if you continue with these provocations, testing the kinds of missiles, incontinental ballistic missiles that could reach part of the united states, have a capability, if they were weaponized with a nuclear warhead, that is a very scary nightmare scenario, then they could try to put up economic sanctions in part because the weapons program requires revenue in order to build it and in other ways to more broadly punish the dictator there, kim jong-un. and to try to cause him to change and course correct. how successful will it be is hard to say but it is significant that what is described as some of the biggest changes in a decade have been put forward, you mentioned russia and china on board, that is significant because it is often difficult to get that cooperation. here is how ambassador to the united nations for the u.s. nikki haley described it. >> the united states will continue to stand up for the human dignity and rights of the

north korean people. it is the continued suffering of the north korean people that should remind the security council that while this resolution is a significant step forward, it is not nearly enough. >> reporter: and they are emphasizing as we have also heard from rex tillerson the u.s. is putting up pressure against the regime but not the north korea people, trying to extend some humanity to the north korea people who are penalized under that regime and making the distinction it is war with the people and not the leader. >> kelly reporting for us. and joining me now is chris downing and former prosecutor and alexis mchammond who is a deputy news editor and charlie savage from the new york times. and good to have you with me. and we have china and russia agreeing to the resolution against north korea.

this is a move in the right direction and in terms of foreign policy and the concern of north korea for the trump administration, connect? >> absolutely. and it is a break from what you would expect from president trump himself, with his own rhetoric of america first and we can solve our problems. this is clearly going the diplomatic route, looking for allies and people in the case of russia and china, not allies but people and other countries with a stake in it and persuading them to come to the table and put pressure on north korea. obviously this is a almost attractable problem that just grows worse by the day, if not the year. i'm not sure anyone thinks that sanction as loan sanctions alone or set of sanctions will have north korea say never mind and get rid of the program but the world is united in trying to solve the problem in a way i think everyone hopes will be solvable other than war. >> and it is more of the same in terms of sanctions in north

korea while kim jong-un is seeing progress within a military defense department that they've been coveting after alexi for sometime. and forgive me for putting an s. on the putting -- on your name. and now we have new investments from north korea, increased number of workers in other countries, again this goes after a billion dollars in their economy. how is this really going to have an impact against kim jong-un who seems to care the least about his own people? >> right. so i think it is important, charlie's point, that this is diplomatic but the other important thing to note is these sanctions do affect the people of north korea. it is not like the u.s. is saying we are going against the people of north korea. they are going for the leadership. but these economic downfalls and effects will certainly be felt among the people. and i think as charlie mentioned

as well, this is certainly better than nuclear war which would change kim jong-un's life and his leadership as he knows it. but it is really to be seen, the economic impact from the sanctions. >> and that is a great point. because he has little fiefdom going on where he gets to rule in this type of strict autonomy and riches and again the toys of military dense bringi -- defens bringing the world to great concern on how they are able to move forward on this. with russia, chris, jumping in unanimous form with the u.n. on board, we know this week russian leaders are wheeling about congress imposing sanctions on russia. they are not happy about that and they seem to think from the meetings with putin and trump, that they would be able to have this influenced and thwarted. president trump also not very happy about this, putting the blame on congress. but we have robert mueller working with this team of his own folks and the fbi now saying

that many of those people in high positions might come in as witnesses. we have a cumulated 85 years of experience from the department of justice on this case. how do republicans really think that they could discredit mueller or at least is it only the trump administration with the president himself thinking that he could discredit mueller? >> i think what we're seeing is president trump trying to discredit mueller. i've seen the republicans be quite careful about going on with that strategy. you know, i think -- i think at trump's detriment at this point because we still haven't seen clearly what exactly the target of mueller's investigations are. we just know about the two active grand juries which imply multiple lines of inquiry. >> so chris, when it comes to -- so we have what is going on in d.c., also the panels taken place in alexandria, is there a

problem and i know that we had ken starr give you statement earlier today talking about this effort of the special counsel saying i do think it is certainly a serious matter when a special counsel is accused and was accused of that, of exceeding his or her authority and that is a serious matter because we don't want to start investigators and prosecutors out on a fishing expedition. >> so how important is it for the integrity of what mule ser doing to not start with whitewater and end at a blue dress, for a lack of a better analogy. to stay in target with looking into collusion, but maybe ending up with something else and at least trying to pervert the course of justice? >> well there is no doubt that the scope of a special prosecutor's authority is the number one target of the opposition to the investigation. but that said, mr. mueller's investigation is -- it was given such a broad scope to begin

with, that mr. trump -- or president trump's complaints about the inquiry into his finances simply don't hold any water. a person's -- or finances and where money was exchanged is a fundamental area and legitimate area of inquiry and is in this case as well. >> and we know that headlines that have come out about the administration for this and other big headline stories that involve leaks, our big concern now to jeff sessions at the department of justice, listen to this. >> i strongly agree with the president and condemn in the strongest terms the staggering number of leaks undermining the ability of our government to protect this country. >> so leaks can undermine national security and great news organizations, charlie, take that into consideration before going to print or on air with anything. but right now leaks about this

administration only undermine this administration. and the fact that it calls so many things fake news and then the news as its originally reported is confirmed to be correct or actually gets things out in the public eye that we wouldn't have had otherwise. do you think trump and sessions are definitely going to crack down on this or is it just an in tim dags -- intimidation or verbal strategy from the a.g. >> there are a couple of reactions. one is we have to separate what kind of leaks we are talking about. the trump and the white house likes to call everything an illegal leak but in fighting in his white house and who said what in a meeting and which faction is mad at which other factions, those are not illegal. that might not be the lines that the white house wants to put out there but there is no crime committed in doing that. and that said, there are some categories of things involving national security information in particular surveillance and information that was derived

from surveillance and therefore could reveal some kind of hidden wiretap. but it is illegal to talk about and disclose to someone not authorized to receive it and that is the kind of thing that the justice department has a writ to look for, it is quite interesting that sessions disclosing yesterday that there has been an absolute cascade of serious criminal referrals from intelligence agencies to the justice department, as many in the first six months of the trump administration as the previous three years combined, i believe he said and they have three times as many leak investigations open now as were existing at the start of the administration. of course we don't know if that means they've gone from six to two or six to 20 but they are not giving us numbers but there is investigation activity and the most concrete thing he said is that the fbi has created a special counter intelligence unit devoted just to news media leak cases and so you are not going to have a guy who is chasing three russian spies and also been handed a leak referral

for a newspaper article that might say this is not important compared to the other more important things that i have to work on when you have a unit which is totally specialized, just in going after leaks, those people do that for a living and they're going to want to show something for their time and that may make this a more serious time. >> meanwhile, so alexa, let me ask you, because based on what charlie is saying, if we just use scaramucci as an example and the interview to chris lista not thinking it was on the record but it was on the record, he would then be considered a leaker, almost, under what the d.o.j. is telling us out of the new avenues of pursuing what they consider to be a leak. >> right. and as charlie said, we need more specifics. all we have so far from jeff sessions is a counter intelligence unit which is certainly important but i think the lack of specifics from jeff sessions suggested to me it was more of a perform act on his part giving the president exactly what he wants. trump tweeted days before that

jeff sessions was weak on the intelligence leaks crackdowns so then jeff sessions does a press conference without taking any questions from the press by the way, in which he says exactly what the president wants to hear. and so i'm not convinced as of now that they are actually going to move forward with this in the way that they say or the way that they think is warranted given the lack of specifics. >> and it is our job to remain skeptical about this but it is tough to get those answers when the a.g. won't take any questions after this. but great to have you all on. i appreciate it. charlie savage, chris downing and alexa sounding. and coming up, we turn our attention to the economy and president trump is celebrating the latest labor numbers or the stock surge and we'll talk about the up tick in our economy next. with hydrogenated oil...

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all right, so really is the summer of love for the stock market. since trump took the oath of office six and a half months ago,s dow has jumped and 209,000

jobs added and the unemployment at 4.3% and the president said excellent job numbers just released and i've only just released and regulations continue to fall and movement back to the usa. so joining me now is peter maursy from the university of maryland. thank you so much. so from your opinion of having watched our economy for a very long time and now under this administration and president trump, is he having the effect on the economy, can he take credit for it. >> he could take some credit for the numbers. they will all agree these are good numbers. i think barack obama -- he had similar numbers at times. i think that trump has been with us long enough that he has instilled some confidence in business that the government is not going to be excessive in regulation. and that was a big sore point about mr. obama, that he went a little bit too overboard. and so they've pulled back some. now he hasn't been able to put in place his tax program and

that is vital to growth and to the extent he hasn't got his tax programs and his spending program from the point of fiscal policy, this is just barack obama policy. >> so when it comes to where we are for the july numbers that came out with 209,000 jobs added and with how those predictions come out of dc and the cbo, are we on track for what they forecast for this year? >> well actually in terms of jobs, we're more on track. and some economist are starting to wonder whether the gdp numbers are too low. for the labor force to be growing this rapidly and we have some productivity growth it would indicate that growth is a bit stronger than we've been seeing in the numbers so this would be positive for the fewure. i'm looking forward to a very robust third quarter. >> and when we think about that projection of a robust third quarter, and now we have a switch with the chief of staff in the white house, john kelly, the general now in place of

reince priebus, how does that change an economic priorities that we know that maybe reince priebus had been involved with with the gop as opposed to general kelly and his economic policies. >> general kelly doesn't have economic policies, and neither does reince priebus. that is in the hands of steven minutia and kohn and my feeling is that what kelly does for us is provide us with some assurance that the trump white house isn't going to be such a circus. that he's actually imposed a management model with clear lines of communication and authority and decision-making and so forth, so the administration could move somewhat more decisively and reach a conclusion on what they want to accomplish more effectively. still, at the end of the day, if the republicans think they are going to effect the kind of fiscal changes they would like to accomplish simply through those budget resolutions and reconciliation and so forth, i

think it is an ill conceived notion and they'll have to find a way to do business with chuck schumer and i have news for mr. schumer, he will have to find a way to do business with donald trump. i think we started to see that this week actually. the republicans made it sound like what schumer was putting on the table on taxes was draconian and it wasn't. i could work with them on that. and i'm good conservative economist and schumer has made it clear democrats are going to stop obstructing since we are moving back to regular order on health care and taxes. i hope the republicans are serious about that. because i think schumer is as well. >> we'll wait and see. again they get a little breather right now for all of this. >> they need it. >> they come back ready to go for the fall semester. like a new school year. great to see you, professor at the university of maryland. thank you. >> take care. >> so the phrase we all know, see you in cord, that's a group

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ten days after president trump tweeted that he would no longer allow transgender americans in the military, the nation's largest legal organization working for lgbtq rights tweeted a response saying we're suing president trump. and they announced they plan to file a lawsuit against the president even though technically there really is no ban on transgender americans being exceaccepted into the military. john davidson, it is good to have you with me. we got a reaction out of the army chief of staff saying that after the president went to twitter about the transgender ban, he said this in reference saying we'll work through the imlementation guidance when we get it and secretary mattis hasn't received these written directives yet. is your case and this suit being filed premature if they haven't received a directive? >> we did not sue based on the

tweet, we waited until it appears that that is actually going to become policy. but what we learned last night was that a guidance has been drafted, that has passed muster with the white house counsel's office last night and is being sent to secretary mattis. and that, we believe, is enough to indicate that this actually is becoming policy and will be the basis for the lawsuit that land of legal intends to file with our partners at sldn. >> and do you have any nuggets of detail from this directive sent through the white house counsel in terms of not only americans applying for military service, but transgender military members already serving and how it impacts them? >> we have not actually seen the guidance itself, but from people

who have seen it, we understand that it is essentially a purge of a vulnerable population of individuals who simply want to continue to serve their country. what our understanding is, is that the guidance would prevent transgender service members currently being deployed from reenlisting and so would essentially try to phase them all out. i think they understand that discharging those individuals would be blatantly unconstitutional, would violate their due process rights. but we believe that simply not allowing them to reenlist for no good reason, these are individuals who have been serving honorably without creating any disruption under a policy that was carefully crafted by the military's top

leadership and that has been going fine. so there is absolutely no reason, except for bigotry, to not allow these people to continue to serve. we also understand that it would lead to termination of transgender officers in the military who are currently up for promotion. this is really unamerican. and it is shameful. a president who has never served in the military is disregarding the considered judgment of the top military leadership who have made very clear, it is on the defense department own website that open service by transgender individuals is consistent with military readiy ness. >> in terms of the president's military service, he did not serve. he avoided i think five draft notices because of being in college and also bone spurs, a myriad of different reasons why he didn't serve during vietnam

but a q. poll out of americans said that 68% of them think that transgender americans should be allowed to serve in the military. how much are you counting on public sentiment if this directive really moves forward and your case then moves forward. >> well what we are going to be appealing to is basic constitutional values and guarantees to all americans of being treated eek wat-- equally our government and not being kicked out of your job based on bias, based on prejudice, which this is nothing more than and i think that poll shows that americans recognize that. these are people who are courageously putting their lives at risk for our country, and the reward is that they are going to get a pink slip. it is really quite outrageous. there is no justification for this, the military itself carefully studied this policy,

this change in policy that has allowed transgender service members to serve openly for the past year. >> and this is only been recently and we know that thousands of folks have done that where they've come out to serve in the sunlight, there are a myriad of others that we don't know that might serve in silence and continue to do so because of this and this type of stigma. john, we'll continue to follow this case. i appreciate your time. john davidson of land of legal. thank you. and so president trump is being pushed back in his own party for the proposed merit based legal immigration bill and up next we break down the bill and the all-star cast of celebrities getting ready to tackle climate change and world hunger once again as we go back to central park for the global citizen festival, we get a preview straight ahead.

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hi, everybody, i'm thomas roberts here at msnbc headquarters in new york. we've been following the u.n.

security counsel approving the new economic sanctions against north korea. they come as the direct response to north korea and their aggressive military testing. and they've been advancing here. now we have the u.s.-led resolution banning north korea exports and cutting the annual export revenue by one-third and then we have the search on for three u.s. missing u.s. marines and their aircraft crashed off the coast of australia. it was conducting routine operations when it won't down and 23 of the 26 people on board were rescued and a search and rescue mission remains for the three others and as long as congress has left for the august recess, president trump has also left on vacation. he's going to be staying at his government club in bedminster, new jersey, a 17-day working vacation as it is described but still the russia investigation from bob mueller and the white house undergoes scheduled renovation during this time of president trump's departure. so we have the president now announcing new immigration reform this is week that could

cut legal immigration in half in favor of educated english speakers coming into america. this is the merit based system as the president described it and is a shift away of admitting people with family members already in the u.s. and trump touted the change to help curb welfare fraud. >> you can't just come in like in past weeks, years and decades, you come in immediately start picking up welfare for five years, you have to say you will not be asking or using our welfare system. >> the president getting push back from members of his own party with senators lindsey graham and tim scott and jeff flake all having criticized the plan. >> the argument is that these foreign workers are hurting american wages and job opportunities and i think that is not accurate. >> the legal immigration system has not been the focus nor has it been the problem for us for the last several years. >> i think this would cut it to

about half of the current legal immigration just isn't the right direction for the economy. >> immigration reform has been the cornerstone of the president's campaign about building this border wall for rallying cry, but it is always about illegal immigration and now we have this being about legal immigration changes. also these leaked transcripts, the conversations that the president had with the president of mexico, that would suggest this week the steadfast refusal that we had from the mexican president to pay for this wall and then trump saying, well i just need to you look like you are paying for the wall. but u.s. taxpayers are footing the bill for it right now. the house approving $1.6 billion in funds toward the wall's construction. so joining me now is maria tracer kumar, president of voter latino, it is great to see you. it is a minute. it has been too long. >> it is great to see you back. >> but we have a lot to talk about because this coming out by purdue and cotton, and the president saying this will help

our welfare system and people fraudulent on that. if we think about people that have come to this country through legal immigration, they are now saying they want the best educated, the ones with money and the ones that speak english. is this a dog whistle for something else. >> it is absolutely a dog whistle. every time when trump is losing his base, he a horrible last two weeks from losing health care to what was happening in the chaos in the white house, he decides that he is going to throw a bone and go after migrants. but let's be clear. there is nothing merit-based about this. this is very anti-american. he is basically saying that he wants an elite immigration policy and doesn't talk about the work force of the future. the difficulty right now, thomas, is that we do need immigration reform. we also need to identify what are the future flows of that immigration reform and for us to say that we don't need a mixed group of skills in order to actually meet our population needs and our economic needs, then we are not leveling with the american people. this whole idea that he's in it for the little guy because of the american workers, if that

was the case, he would actually ensure we're having a real conversation on automation on the horizon and a real conversation on how businesses should actually have wage enforcement and if they violate paying people poorly, they should be penalized and he is not enforcing the issues that he has and come toe to toe with the unions because they represent the american workers and for all of us, learning new skills as the future changes so that all of us, no matter our education, educational levels can kind of keep up so we can take care of ourself. >> and he cut that out of the budget. he cut -- his budget right now as it stands basically cuts retraining programs for middle america. that is not leveling, that is not saying that he's on their side. >> and paul ryan spoke out about this saying it is arbitrary cuts to illegal immigration that don't take into effect the economy need as boomers are retiring and leaving the work force, that will have labor shortages in certain areas an that is where a well reformed legal immigration system should be able to make up the difference. so he is not a fan of this.

>> because he sees what is on the horizon. the majority of americans are 56 years old. if we cut off legal immigration, which are decades younger than the current american, who is going to take care of us. you said a very -- at a very basic level, we don't have the work force today to actually meet the demand of tomorrow. >> the chain migration that they talk about as well, about not being able to have family members come in, president trump is the son of a scottish migrant, also his paternal grandfather was from germany. >> right. >> and fled here penniless, not speaking english. >> and he should look back into his history and recognize what makes america unique is that we don't go for the richest, we go for the best and the brightest and the ones with the great that have come with $5 in their pocket and build empires that is what we want, the hunger and anything different is eating into our dna, but at the same time we are not going to be competitive on the stage.

>> and with members of the president trump's family. and we're pulling the ladder up and building walls. thank you. appreciate it. so we have the u.s. pulling out of the 2015 paris climate agreement and the state department told the u.n. that the trump administration will withdraw, but back in june the president confirmed his attention -- intention to depart voluntarily from the deal but the withdrawal process couldn't start until november 2020, the day after the next presidential election. meanwhile, as president trump steps away from climate change, his foreign counterparts are stepping up. during the recent g-20 summit, canada's prime minister and macron took part in events from global citizen and trump did not. savannah sellers is here to talk more about this. so what do we have coming up. again back to central park in september, correct? >> exactly. but as you just mentioned, we did have the festival during the g-0 so global citizen is the global action platform that is aimed at ending extreme poverty by 2030 and it is unique because

it is about taking action and not about raising money. so they will tweet at world leaders putting pressure on them to give football commitments and sign petitions and since 2010 global citizens have taken over 11 million actions that have resulted in over $30 billion in financial commitments and then those music festivals like we saw are sort of the reward for members of the community. so one such event did just happen in hamburg, germany and justin trudeau took to the stage advocating for women's rights an motivating young people to get involved. >> women and girls have health risks associated with pregnancy and child birth and malnutrition, it is a constant concern in societies where women and girls eat least and eat last. we look at a room filled with inspired and inspiring young people, i don't want you to think of your selves as leaders of tomorrow, i need you to understand that you are leaders

today. >> another world leader involved with the organization is french president macron. he met with rihanna and the ceo of global citizen, hugh evans to discuss initiatives in africa which is another focus of the platform and trump has not been involved and climate change is a focus of the organization because of the impact on extreme poverty and as noted the united states is joining only syria and nicaragua as the three countries not signing the paris climate agreement for very different reasons than we are. that is what global citizen is all about. and a stark difference there and the festival is on the 23rd. >> and nicaragua didn't think it went far enough. meanwhile, savannah, could trudeau and macron do something more to take care of themselves. they need to do more. great to have you with me, msnbc and comcast are proud to partner with global citizen for the global citizen festival. it comes up september 23rd in

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the united nations security counselling sanctions aimed at striking back at north korea in their pocket books. the unanimous vote with the 15 member nations approving a resolution drafted by the u.s. it bans many of north korea key exports and this is in response to the pyongyang incontinental ballistic missile testing and expected to slash $1 billion off the annual export revenue. it is a big figure but will the sanctions work. and joining me now jack jacobs and joesera coney -- excuse me, cericioni and author. so joe, it is great to you have with me but let's talk about the sanctions and will this have an impact on the progress of their aggressive military ballistic missile testing.

>> thanks for having me on thomas. well kudos to ambassador hallie, she handled this very deftally and negotiation with china and with the others to achieve a significant sanction step. this is a billion dollars hit taking serious money out of the north korea export earnings. but as she says, it is a significant step but not nearly enough. sanctions cannot coerce north korea into compliance or collapse. they are a -- a big stick but a stick to do what. what we're lacking still is the rest of the trump policy. what is the end game here? where do you go from here? there is no military option. a strike on north korea is not like hitting syria, you hit north korea, they hit back. and it could only unleash war unlike anything we've seen. so the goal here should be to go back to the negotiating table

and that is why china is supporting the sanctions and south korea wants to use the sanctions to get north korea back to the table. will the u.s. be willing to come. secretary tillerson indicated a couple of days ago, this week, that he would be willing to have talked, there is conflicting signals have the administration, but the talks are on the table, we'll have to see how tillerson handles the counterparts at the asean meeting on sunday. >> let's talk about the influence of china and how that country is supposed to be the conduit that the administration expects to get north korea in line. i mean they provide north korea with technology to make these weapons. why isn't it just that simple to have china not produce this type of technology for north korea to advance its military might? >> well, they don't get all of the information and technology from china. they've gotten it from, among other places, pakistan and iran and they've also delivered

technology to these places. now the real independent variable here with respect to china is its role in refusing to participate in stopping north korea from developing weapons because it is terribly concerned about turmoil on the korean peninsula and agree with joe, talks is where we are headed and china is the route to get there and it may very well be the first step. >> >> so when we talk about the what the secretary of state is doing in the efforts for our allies within the region, whether it is japan or south korea, but the visit to manila and the topic of north korea is most likely going to come up, but when we think about china, they are more interested in their own growth as a country and also their own military might in securing that region. why do they want to take direction from the u.s.? >> well, they don't. and they don't really want north korea to become a consolidated nuclear weapon state.

as colonel jacobs points out correctly, there is concern to put too many sanctions to cripple the north korea economy could cause the collapse of the regime and chaos on the peninsula and millions millions of refuse u gees, maybe a unified korea under south korea will -- that's not something they want. so they're willing to increase the pressure to get what they call a soft landing, a negotiated settlement. what would that be? >> right now it's a freeze. it seems that the north koreans are willing to discuss this. they have the capability right now to strike the united states with a ballistic missile. probably with a income warhead, but they still have to test it, still have some significant hurdles to achieve. you want to stop them before they perfect that technology. that's why it's in our interest to talk about a freeze on their weapons program, even though it would leave them with a rudimentary nuclear capability. >> and then when we think about that option of what north korea would face in terms of retaliation, hr mcmaster had

spoken to our colleague earlier today talking about the fact that america certainly reserves its right for any type of military option, and that would certainly be devastating to that region and the little five domestic that kim jong-un currently has. so we continue to watch this. sanctions certainly a major dimt attic unified approach from the u.n. but will it do anything. great to have you both with me. thanks very much. >> thank you. >> we've got the new white house chief of staff in general john kelly marking his mark this week in the oval office. up next we break down his first five days on the job and what it means for the trump administration going forward. rheumatoid arthritis like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a medication... ...this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain... ...and protect my joints from further damage. humira has been clinically studied for over 18 years. humira works by targeting and helping to...

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reported requires all information going to the president to be cleared by him first, and he announced that all staffers, including family, need to go through him to get to the president. he orlandoed the oval office door be closed so no more casual look i lose just dropping in. he's also keeping meetings very short and to the point. he reportedly has no problem cutting off rambling vifrs mid sentence. so i big difference from what we've seen before. joining me now, great tow you both with me. so dallas is this exactly what the president needed at this point? >> i think this is a good thing. it actually reminds of when another north carolinian -- well, when a north carolinian irskin bowls became the chief of staff to then president bill clinton. he went in there and installed, you know, a very regiment routine where people had to make appointments. they couldn't warned in and out

of the oval office. and gave some structure to the white house that was needed. so far i think it's been a good week. you don't often have a governor from the other party make a party switch and come to your party. that's certainly big for republicans and president trump. so so far so good. >> so do you think, chris, that this is really going to make a difference? we know this is happening in the white house, but is this going to make a difference in the front of the house? basically the way that the president acts and conducts himself, especially since reportedly the general is not trying to manage the president as much as he's going to manage those trying to see the president. and he's not taking twitter away. >> well, it's not going to make much of a difference unless john kelly becomes the president of the united states. the fundamental problem here is you're not going to change who trump is. and you can maybe contain it. you can definitely bring some order and structure internally to the white house, but in terms of changing his policies and his positions and his politics and his rhetoric, how is that going

to change? it's not likely. we just saw that last week in terms of his immigration policy. rolling that out the way it was rolled out, the way it was -- you had republicans criticizing it as much as democrats in some respects. so the fundamental problem here is you're going to get rid of some of the internal drama that has clearly ganld a lot of media attention, but you're not going to change who trump is and that is the crux of the problem. >> dallas -- >> nor do republican voters -- republican voters don't want strum to change, but they like like to probably see him and congress be more effect i have and kelly can help do that. >> but when you think about this, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the same result. right now it's six and a half months in. there is no real major legislative accomplishment by this president right now. do you think that he changes, almost a second strategy here, because there have been people disposed of in this white house

because they haven't worked to advance any type of successful presidential agenda? >> look, here is what i think. i think republicans have to pass substantive legislation, and i think if they don't, they will likely pay for it at the ballot box, as often is the case in american politics. and it should be that way. so we have to deliver to the point that the president needs some fine tuning of his operation, he needs to do that. and congress needs to do what i believe they will do and pass good tax reform and eventually get back and do something with hell care. these things can still happen. i believe they will. >> and we know, chris, when it comes to what the current state of affairs with -- how republicans are working with each other or not working with each other on the same page when it comes from congress to the senate, they worked, you know, in a unified approach when it came to sanctions against russia, something that the

president had to begrudgingly sign off on with no fan fair, no cameras, no real signing ceremony about this, but adding his own words to talk about he was unsatisfied with this and even the tweet that said, you know, thank congress for this and the problem with russia. jeff sessions that he's called weak as the attorney general, we now have kelly reaching out to him to say his job is safe. you made that point about, you know, unless the general is really the president, nothing is going to change. is he taking authority away from the president? >> well, i mean, that is going to be the real test of john kelly is, you know, a month from now, if he lasts that long or two months from now, you know, at what point do the stories start questioning, you know, john kelly and his role and his authority. those aren't going to be stories that are coming from external. they're going to be coming from internal. to me one of the things i think is really interesting was "the new york times" story that i read today about republicans already thinking and planning for 2020. now, if this president was a functional president, one who had a normal bump, he would not

be concerned about potential challenges from his own side. >> well, look, he's already got his eyes on 2020. we know they're raising money for that. we'll see where it goes from here. >> hey, tell my counter guest to get his former boss to joip us. >> all right. i've got to jump. we're out of time, but that's going to wrap things up for us herement of thanks very much. breaking news and news as it happens. joy reid is next. >> are there any russians here tonight? any russians? democrat lawmakers will have to decide. they can continue their obsession with the russian hoax or they can serve the interests of the american people. >> despite terrible poll numbers, leaked transcripts that have many in the world laughing or cringing depending on your point of v