we're going to win so much you're going to get tired of winning. please, mr. president, i have a headache, don't win so much, this is getting terrible. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." while donald trump is firmly ensconced in his golf club in new jersey for two weeks, and with members of congress home for the august recess, the

corridors of washington will be quiet this week with one exception, the office of special council robert mueller. he is gatoring records and testimony. a recent survey shows that more republicans feel their side is losing than women. some are day dreaming about life after trump. a number of republicans including senators tom cotton and ben sass and john kasich are discarding the respect, it is almost as if trump's fellow republicans might have a loser on their hands. joining me now is evan seigfried. i'm going to start with you right here at the desk we me,

evan. donald trump's numbers are not good to say the least. let's go through this stunning poll. his approval is at 33%. a historic low. his rating with republicans is around 76%. we talked about where that danger zone is where other republicans will begin to abandon him. is that it? >> no, among white, noncollege educated voters, that has been his strongest supporters. when you're talking about what is going on here, why isn't president trump doing well, and why are people not sensing weakness, it's because he has not been delivering. he did what every politician has been doing, he has been under delivering every day. that is why republicans are upset saying they're sick and tired of his whining.

>> the republican numbers are very dismal too, i think 5 to 1 disapprove of the handling of health care. are republicans better off that he didn't manage to repeal obama care because it would have upset a lot of people, or are they worse off because people wanted them to do it. >> politically we're better off in the long term because we're coming to repair. taking away insurance from 22 plus million people would not sit well. short term, the base is very upset. jeff flake, just by standing up to trump, dropped 18 points in arizona. >> these other numbers are stunning. 62% said that donald trump is not honest. 63% say he does not have good leadership skills. 60% say he believes he is above the law. 59% say he does not care about

average americans. 54% say they're embarrassed to have trump as president. the next one, his approval on special issues, the economy, 41%, and the economy is pretty good so that's not good for him. foreign policy, 36%, terrorism, 46%, immigration 38%. and health care the worst of all, 28%. at what point does this become a red flag number just as i asked evan where the base of the republican party gets so small that republicans in the 22 to 40 districts that are more middling start to walk away? >> i think you're starting to see the beginnings of a presidency whose base of supporters are on the rocks here. this is a candidate who promised so much to happen so quickly, big promises, walls were being built, obama care repealed,

everything was easy and fantastic. a lot of the voters were just us from stated with washington, with the whole process, feeling like they were left behind by a establishment, a institution that didn't care about them. they thought trump would be the differencemaker and here we are now, eight months into this presidency, and none of the things he talked about have materialized in any way. i think when people voted for trump, it was about wanting to change washington and have snn there different from the outside that could relate to them that by pure force of nature and will, create the change they felt needed to happen. instead of action, we have seen just paralyzing. they wanted something to happen so quickly. spending his presidency on his phone tweeting about things, this is not exactly what he thought they were going to get.

>> you see him there with a few of his grand kids. i don't know if it is working for them. on the democrats end of it, we're starting to hear about a mike pence possibility. that they could impeach trump, whatever happened, the idea of mike pence, you hear a lot of democrats talking about it. "new york times" on saturday, multiple add visore -- advisors have intimated that they would run. it is overshadowing his own primary outside political group which is called american first action. raising more money in disclosed donations. they responded to the report on twitter saying the claims that v.p. is preparing a run for 2020 run are s ridiculous and fake news. for democrats, what would be a better outcome?

a weakened donald trump in 2020 or mike pence. i know a lot of women are dreading the idea of him being president. >> yeah, mike pence could actually get things done if he were president because he is not as impulsive and inept as donald trump. but mike pence faces a problem. he never ran in 2016, his base is donald trump's base. he has to be really -- if this is true, he has to be careful how he treads the line here because he can't piss off donald trump. if he does, he will piss off donald trump's base and he needs that base to really succeed if it does play out in fruition and he has to run in 2020 because donald trump doesn't. look, i think that democrats need to be really focused. the focus is now on making sure that we beat back all of the horrible things that donald trump is doing. but also focus on the 2018 strategy.

that is what we need to be doing. >> i wonder if the other thing hanging out there is the possibility that donald trump may be able to try to worm his way into the good graces of the american people using, and i hate to say this, national security. he knows which he go to the generals well when he is in trouble. he has three generals around him working in close proximity to his office between general kelly, mcmaster, and mattis. is it possible that he could find his way back through national security. >> there is something that autocrats do when they feel they're not popular enough, and that is declare war. we have a lot of issues going on right now, there are plenty of opportunities for this president to distract the american public from his failed domestic policies and try to build support for a war over seas as.

>> wendy: his commander and chief authority. he can do that, he has generals around him in civilian positions. there was a tendency to not push back. that is the difference between having a general, or a military person versus a civilian. that back and forth dialogue. he likes the pomp and circumstance that comes with military parades. the psychological tendencies are there along with a set of issues that could be distracted by declarations of war. >> the other issue, the breitbart world has been using to try to get trump's numbers back up is a deep paranoia. that people are trurndiying to on him. does that work for keeping his base in place, or at some point

will that even start to wear thin? >> i think for awhile it will keep them at bay. a lot of folks that go to breitbart that are republican voters, that is their only source of information. they're communicating to their own echo chamber there. as long as they keep pumping out that rhetoric, i think there is a good chance they won't abandon trump. i think there is 20 or 25% of republican voters who under no snarely will they abandon trump. i would not be surprised as time goes on, if trump's failures continue to mount up, if he starts turning on everyone in congress. if he is pointing at everyone, throw all of them out in the midterms. if you're trump, through the bums out mentality, that means democrats and republicans will

get kicked out and we'll have a new unflux of membinflux of mem. >> it is an interesting strategy, coming in with a fresh congress, maybe even democratic that he could maybe make easier deals with them. let's talk about the other thing that he is trying to do, go back to the clinton we'll. this is donald trump in west virginia going after a familiar foe. take a listen. the russia story is a total fabricati fabrication. what the prosecutors should be looking at are hillary clinton's 33,000 deleted e-mails. they can't beat us at the voting booths, so they're trying to cheat you out of the future and the future that you want. >> dr. jason johnson described this as donald trump can't quit

his ex. i wonder to what extent the clinton well -- they beat her, is the base not sated yet with enough damage to hillary clinton, or is she still a potent message? >> she is still a potent message because republicans for decades have hated the clintons. after the race, when there was photos of her showing up in normal places, she was still being mocked on social media. so it does work, but it doesn't change the fact that dude, you won. let it go and get over it. you're president now, put on your big boy pants. >> do republicans think they can use this -- you house republicans trying to even float the idea of a independent council go after hillary clinton. do republicans really think they can win the midterm based on issues from the early 2000s.

>> you have to excite your base, and when trump starts to trend away. he doesn't refer to republicans as we. it's they. he doesn't identify as one. it's trump and republicans are with me until i turn on them because they're the problem, not me. >> how long -- cult personality gets you 25% or 30% of the el t elector rate. do you think if he is down to his 30%, do democrats have what they need to get it back? >> democrats need to not turn fire on each other. they need to really stick together and focus on trump and all of the bad things she doing and also figure out what is the strategy? can we win the house back? focus on those districts.

what else are we doing. we need to come together and focus. 2020 is down the line, we'll have a lot of time to figure that out but that is the thing that i think democrats, i hope they don't lose their focus on. >> we'll have all of this when we come back. coming up, jeff sessions is playing tough with leakers. my next guest says bring it on. m maxine waters is here after the break. ♪ ♪ hey, is this our turn? honey...our turn? yeah, we go left right here. (woman vo) great adventures are still out there. we'll find them in our subaru outback. (avo) love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. get 0% apr financing for 63 months on all new 2017 subaru outback models. now through august 31.

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have this warning for would be leakers, don't do it. >> he may be cracking down on leaks, or make his boss think he is cracking down, and it may be working. donald trump took time off of his vaca and said after me years of leaks in washington, it is great to see the ag taking action. >> my next guest says keep the leaks coming. live in studio, the great maxine waters. we're not allowed to admit who our favorite guests are, but you know -- >> i enjoy being here. >> let's talk about this. so sessions, of course his way of getting back in the good graces of donald trump is to go after these leakers. i want to play a little of you on "the view" this week. >> we have to bo b bothered by

these phone conversations, these confidential conversations that were leaked, are you disturbed by it? >> not at all. i'm so glad they're telling us what is going on. >> but these conversations are confidential. >> i need to hear these conversations. i need to hear. >> so you don't agree with those who say wait, this is a national security problem, we should not be leaking these conversations? >> not really, the first thing they need to do is start with the president. he gave classified information to russians in the white house. our ally, israel, was very upset with us. start with him, number one. number two, if people around you are leaking in the way they're doing, they're trying to tell us something. of course we don't want classified information leaked out, and i don't think they would do that with a credible

president. they're doing that to this president because he defined himself as someone that cannot be trusted. someone that will get this country in trouble. so i welcome the leaks. i welcome the information. that keeps us focused on him and talking about what is wrong with him. >> were you embarrassed by the content of those communications with mexico. >> it was so embarrassing. can you believe that the president of the united states would call the president of mexico and try to get him to act against his own best interests by saying please, don't say that you won't pay, you know, for building this balwall. you're getting me in trouble. how dishonest can you be. >> it is ironic that the current vice president of the united states when he was in congress with you proposed a shield law. in the bush administration when judy miller would not say who

leaked a make the to her. do you find it surprising that he even wants to go after journalists? >> not only should we be concerned about this, but there are some in this administration that would like to shut journalists down. the business about having them to take lie detector tests. having them be subpoenaed. that is so dangerous in a democracy and we should not stand still for that. so i'm not surprise thad they would attempt that, but of course those of us who understand the importance of the press, and who also understand that we're dealing with the likes of which we have never seen before in a president that does not understand or appreciate our allies that will leak himself, we have to push back, resist, and we have to work to getting this president out of office. >> i have spoken to you so many times about this question, if your colleagues on the other side of the aisle are prepared

to reign this president in with article one powers. you saw the vote to limit his ability to roll back sanctions. are you seeing a willingness to stand up to him? >> i don't see it in any profound way, but i talked with a few of them that are uncomfortable. i think some of them have not known how to handle this unusual situation. others of them are just waiting to see if he is going to impl e implode. them they will know what to do. many of them are not comfortable, and i believe if muller does his job, if he is able to connect the dots, able to show collusion, then we have him, they will move away. >> if donald trump makes a move to fire rod rosenstein. >> if he fires mueller, would republicans impeach him? >> i believe if he moves on

mueller, he has crossed a line and i think they're going to move away from him. and it is a combination of that kind of thing and the information that is going to come out about him that would cause impeachment. i believe that many of our republicans see him as being very patriotic. i think when their patriotism is questioned with facts and information, that they're going to move away from him, i believe that impeachment is possible. >> and you tweeted about it, mike pence is somewhere planning his inauguration. priebus and mispicer will lead e transition. they said when and if mike pence runs in 2024, i would gladly support him. >> the fact of the matter is we know that he is alt-right.

the fact that he knows public policy. he understands how government works, and so he would certain i will be a threat, however, given that he is the vice president and he is tied to trump, we will beat him. i think he can be beaten, but i also just want to say that the rumor is that he is getting ready. maybe he believes that something might happen and he should be ready to step in, or that he can run in 2020 and win. so i don't think we should be concerned about him. trump should be concerned about him. >> you are obviously very bold in terms of pronouncements about impeachment. democrats tend to shrink from the idea of talking about impeachment. >> it's a big idea, a very serious one, and i think they're very careful. they don't want to alienate

folks thinking we're just picking on him. what i think is those of us who have been early and who have been talking about this, we have done the job that has gotten us to this point where we have mueller. we have done the job where we have gotten to the point where we have exposed donald junior and the meeting they had, and thank god for the press that worked on the issues and took a look at what is going on and i believe that because of that, we have moved closer, and that the democrats are fsatisfied with that. i think they tpt to happen. >> congresswoman maxine waters. backbone implant surgeon and congresswoman from california. thank you. >> thank you, i enjoy being with you. >> i heard you rocked at black girls rock. >> we're going to try to get some photos from that.

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what you are asking if we're making plans for a preventive war. a war that would prevent north korea. the president said he would not tolerate that. it is intolerable from the president's perspective. so of course we have to provide all options to do that.

and that includes a military option. >> as trump's domestic troubles deepen, problems abroad can't be resolved as well. the u.n. security council unanimously approved new sanctions on north korea worth more than a billion dollars. nikki hailey warned that doesn't even come close to solving the problem. they say that trump is not happy with the seemingly endless war. they suggested the top military commander be fired for "not winning." >> we'll handle north korea. we'll be able to handle them.

they'll be -- it will be handled. we handle everything. >> evan seigfried is coming back, joe, i'm going to you on this first, "news week" has a piece about a potential for a north korea attack on the united states. they could take out los angeles, chicago, or new york and be the deadliest in history. this is senator lindsey graham talking about a potential u.s. war reuniting the war with north korea. >> there is a military option to destroy their program and north korea itself. he is not going to allow president trump, the ability of this madman to have a missile to hit america if there is a war to stop him, it will be over there. if thousands die, they'll die over there, not here.

he is having to make a choice that no president wants to make. they kicked the can down the road for years. there will be a war with north korea over their missile program if they continue to try to hit america. he told me that and i believe him. >> we're back talking about preventive war. >> this is very dangerous talk coming out of the trump administration. you set this piece up by saying could he make bad situations worse. yes, he could, the trump national security strategy right now is incoherent. you have multiple voices saying different things. secretary tillerson says it's time to talk with north degree. vice president pence says no it's not. mcmaster says preventive war. preventing something that doesn't exist, and this

incredible statement from lindsey graham, one of the most irresponsible i have been hearing -- a war over there. we have 28,000 u.s. servicemen and women in north korea plus families and dependents. we're talking about the destruction of the 11th largest economy in the world. it has to be coupled with plans for talking and plans to freeze the program. general mcmaster seems to just dismiss this, incorrectly states that china agreed that a freeze for freeze north korea and south korean exercises were rejected by china. but he either doesn't know that or he knows and he is saying it anyway. >> there is a lot to talk about in the state department here.

the idea of calf levaliecavaliee would be preventing a war. but the idea of talking in a blustery way about a preventive war with north korea, they didn't mention the people like yourself that have to do the fighting and the dieing in this, what do you make of all of this? >> first, i agree with a lot of points that joe just made. i think if you were to look at the marquee of donald trump's foreign policy, it has to be what shines the brightest. here we have this situation going on in north degree kra. we ha -- north korea. we have him talking every day, talking about deploying a moab or suggesting that we should not even be there. donald trump has no plan whatsoever when it comes to foreign strategy, and two while

being a carnival barker may help you whip up electoral votes, it does nothing to prepare someone to be an effective demacommanded chief. >> he did not serve, it never hurts to remind people of that. back to the point that joe was making about the diplomacy side being a mess, the state department has been described as a "hot mess." that is in the washington post. you also have the fact that rex tillerson, seen by many people as ineffective. he gets one upped by jared kushner of all people. he did meet with diplomats, and there was a press conference after these direct talks with the north korean diplomat. this is one quote from that. they said do not violate the

u.n. provision by conducted miss missile launches. they would also like them to stop increasing tensions. do we have the capacity to do diplomacy? >> no, we don't, and that is unfortunate. at the end of every war you have a negotiation and a peace settlement. as far as the north koreans are concerned, it never happened. they think the united states is ready to go to war any day now. anything donald trump does, that the generals say, that provokes a war, plays right into their hands rather than the diplomatic solution that would bring north and south korea to the table, put pressure on from regional actors and have it settled once

and for all. it is playing right into the psychology of north korea and a lot of other enemies of the united states around the world that want to take the battle to us directly. they don't have the ability to hurt us economically with sanctions or other tools and that is the challenge of diplomats. they have to deal on the ground with the reality of what is going nonthe country. they understand the history. if you don't understand the his ti tory you're determined too repeat it. you have people who are trained, ready to help the united states solve some of these challenging problems, but the only people empowered right now are the ones who want to solve problems with bombs and war. >> and you have a guy who ran for office claiming that hillary clinton would start world war 3. some people that crossed over from the far left saying that he

is the guy who will not have a war. now you have all of this war talk about north korea. they have icbms that can hit the united states. he got advice from a paid consultant at a new york restaurant who has no experience. talking about a shooting war with north degree. and republicans are down with it. >> i can't wait for them to release their "how trump should do foreign policy." that is what he said when he brought in the 21 club analogy. i think there is some very smart diplomacy going on at the united nations. they have been very complimentary to nikki hailey and new sanctions that came in, but the diplomatic staff is not there to advise them about what to do. it is under cut by actions of

china and south korea. they're giving so much foreign a aide it counsels out these. >> who is going to do that? focus the president? we can't even get him to stop tweeting. he is not a focusable guy. >> this is the core problem. the incoherent starts at the top. that washington post sighting is just astonishing. you call him the 2:00 man because his attention wanders after 2:00. this segment is twice as long as what he can understand. he tweets out that with national security tougher is better. no, mr. president, smarter is better. and that unfortunately is the key ingredient that we seem to be lacking in the trump national

security doctrine. >> this president could wanted on the strong support and polls show among members of the military and military veterans this direction that he is going in, i cannot imagine is relished by the people who fight the wars in this country. >> absolutely not, you will find among people who have been in areas, combat zones, that the reality of those situations often lead one to pursue those diplomatic situations. and going back to regards to north korea. one of the things so important to recognize, these negotiations seek to prevent, not necessarily immediately north korea deploying a nuclear weapon to the united states as soon as they have one, but doing so as a result of escalated military

action from a shooting car. the kim family, their main objective is to stay in power. that is more important to them than anything. and that needs to be remembered at all times. >> this is a great panel, we'll will back, hope you will all come back. i think we will talk on this again. thank you. coming up in our next hour, a fox news host has an anthony weiner problem. and move over, mooch, it's miller time. "a.m. joy kwtsz. . ". you always pay your insurance on time.

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give me your tired, your poor, huddled masses. doesn't say anything about speaking english. >> the statue of liberty is a symbol of american liberty lighting the world. the poem is not part of the original statue of liberty. >> this week donald trump and his republican colleagues got to pitch an idea they cleemd about for years. a plan that would cut illegal immigration in half within ten years and instate a merit based system to grant green cards and admissions into this country rather than the system we have now which emphasizes reuniting families. joining me, journalist and immigration rights activist jose antonio vargas. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> you and i exchanged e-mails after you sent a series of tweets out that i want to put up for the audience because they are what inspired this segment. you tweeted u.s. immigration policy has always been white

centric, immigration national nalt of 1965 correct and the rais act is ritrying to overtur it. we have a clip from history.com, that the immigration and naturalization act of 1965 abolished a quota system based on national origin. had a profound impact on the population as immigrants entering the united states under new legislation came from asia, africa, latin america as opposed to europe. you believe that alct, this is backlash to that. >> the race act is ethnic cleansing as political policy. i would really want to know how many republicans in congress in offices across this country agree with this. is this really what kind of america we want, that would

unwelcome these people and family members? i'm in california now. there are 4 million filipinos in the state of california. most of us are here because of that 1965 act. if you change that, what would the makeup of this country look like? i think this is where race as you know, joy, has been a sub text in this entire administration so far and my big worry is we're not asking the tough questions about what they're actually doing. i find it interesting by the way as i travel this country to define america in the past six years, people keep telling me just do it the right way, do it the legal way. to me this is exposing the fact that for a lot of people, including republicans in power in the white house, there is no difference between legal immigration or illegal immigration. they just don't want us here. >> right. it is interesting because steven miller a few years ago was on

the radio with steve bannon was talking legal immigration, legal immigration saying you have to reduce it, you used to have a period of assimilation in the past, and that's -- that and this thing about the huddled masses being able to yearn, that's nationalist talk, they'll say that poem is not relevant to statue of liberty because it doesn't apply. and interesting statistic for people watching, before the 1965 act, nine out of ten immigrants came to the united states mostly from europe, and it changed dramatically after that. you could see the change on these interactive maps, it flipped after 1965 that nine out of ten came from europe to nine out of ten came from other parts of the world. we sped this up, i don't know if you can see, shows you from 1800s to today. do you think this sort of sense

among a lot of americans, even if they don't see it as racist that the country used to attract europeans, now it attracts others is what the tension is about? >> for me this is the cold words being used here that are not at all subtle. this idea of assimilation. i would want to know the grandparents of steve bannon, steven miller, kellyanne conway, president trump, how do their great grandparents assimilate. wasn't german a different language? why is that different than chinese or mandarin or spanish. that's why it is important that we call it out for what it is. this is ethic cleansing as political policy, and it is a question about do we want this country to continue to be a multi ethnic, multi racial country that it has always been. i have to say, by the way, joy, we talk about facts.

one of the things is the act says it will cut welfare services, public assistance. as it is, public assistance is undocumented immigrants and green card holders are not eligible for public pbenefits. i don't know where they're coming off getting that immigration from. >> and you have immigrants creating businesses, including yourself, contributing to the economy. >> but again, that's not part of the narrative. the narrative, you know, you and i have talked about this, this is a campaign and now a presidency that won on the back of anti-immigrants in this country, legal or illegal, documented or undocumented, right? they campaigned around a lie, a lie that they've sustained and organized people around that we are the enemy, that somehow we're the problem. and we're not asking here, not only the root cause of what the issues are, right, but this is blatant ethnic cleansing and a

racist political policy. >> what can people do to counter people's discomfort. >> you can't change the discomfort. we are in the middle of this shift, as you said. the country looks different than it used to pre-1965, right? we are seeing in my opinion, you look at the state of california thaesz now latinos and asians make up the majority in the state of california, so that's something we're dealing with. why don't we see kind of the positive contributions of that new reality. why is it so negative. the question now is if you're at home, do your congress members, do they represent this ideal? do they agree with this? mayors, governors all across the country, this is not a time to be silent about this, this is not a time to overlook the racist overtones of what this

is. >> i will say back in 1965 north carolina senator said the people of ethiopia settle the same right to come to the united states as people from england, france, germany, holland. that was his dplantcomplaint. >> this is where we have to grapple, as you know, joy, we have been asking these questions for a few years now. how do we define american in this country. what does american look like, sound like, feel like. >> always love to talk with you. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me, joy. another fox news host suspended over sexual harassment allegations. more "am joy" after the break.

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a lot of my fan support, fan base says i like donald because he says what he means, means what he says and it's refreshing to hear it, but i get up, even from people in my own tent for defending some of the things you're saying. you called yourself thin skinned at times. how do you handle the attacks? >> as one of the first fox news personalities to climb aboard the trump train, eric bolling has seen his star rise, taking the lead supporting trump, eventually followed by the rest of the network helped bolling to land a multi year contract and spot co-hosting "the specialist" a new program created after cancellation of bill o'reilly. he was ousted after reports of multiple sexual harassment lawsuits with payouts totalling at least $13 million according to "new york times." now bolling faces a scandal of his own. fox news announced they

suspended bolling pending results of an investigation. after huffington post reported he sent lewd, unsolicited text messages to at least three colleagues, based on reporting from 14 unnamed sources within and outside of fox news. nbc news has not independently verified the accusations and bolling denies the allegations. his attorney telling nbc, the anonymous uncorroborated claims are untrue and terribly unfair. we intend to cooperation with the investigation so it can be concluded and eric can return to work as quickly as possible. after that was announced, carolyn hellmond claimed that he frequently harassed her on and off the air. joining me, senior writer with share blue, and gabe sherman who joins us by phone. eric, for people who are not familiar with mr. bolling, i

want to play cut three from my producers, this is eric bolling talking about a woman that's a fighter pilot. he did later apologize to this, let's listen to it. >> i'll take a woman doing this any day to them. i hope that hurt extra bad from you, some arab countries women can't even drive. her nickname, lady liberty. >> she can park it. >> i salute her. would that be considered boobs on the ground or no. >> there were two vile references by a fox man, the last one, boobs on the ground. eric bolling knows this kind of talk. >> yeah, he is part of the hannity crew in terms of just all you expect with fox news, and the sub culture is the cesspool of mi soj knee and sexual harassment. fox news seems incapable of

having any moral compass. i wrote a piece 12 months ago, said the myrurdocks have to cle house, this was after roger ales refused to do it. i don't know what they're afraid of. the channel is imploding piece by piece. >> he seemed to think he had moral compass talking about anthony weiner. >> a sick human being, to continue to do this time and time again, continue to get caught, saying he's not going to do it again, gets caught again, he is an pathological. >> and meanwhile, this is a guy who politico talked about running for senate last june, somebody who was talking to donald trump about a job in the commerce department during the transition, gabe. this is somebody in quite good standing in the white house. >> yes. what's interesting about this

episode is obviously this is a problem that's been endemic to fox news' culture since roger ales founded it in 1986. the fact they suspended bolling so quickly is recognition that the pr nightmare that they have endured over the last year, they can't just look the other way. on one hand, i as a reporter who covered this story, you have to see the swift action about the suspension as progress. the down side is that here we are again more than a year after roger ales's ouster, seeing a drum beat of grotesque allegations. >> this is a company in the last nine months from april, 2017, paid out $45 million in settlements for accusations against roger ailes, and five received 13 million in payments.

this is a guy who has been retweeted 31 times by donald trump. it is not disconnected from the republican party. >> no, they are connected. bill shine who overseas fox news after ailes's ouster, showed he was involved in the cover yucatan peninsucoverups. he not only wasn't fired, he was promoted. now he might have a job at the white house. this is a cultural movement they are both leading and it often resembles a criminal enterprise at the same time. >> joy, i'll add this really, the problem for fox news is again as eric pointed out, their audience is so intertwined with trump's base. if you rewind in the campaign when megyn kelly got into her feud with trump, that they had to take donald trump's side because any time she did

segments that were critical of donald trump, ratings went down. producers in the control room saw there was a net negative effect on the network's ratings when donald trump wasn't being praised. >> absolutely. one more piece, one woman came forward and said she was the person harassed. read a bit of a facebook post by care line heldman. she wrote bolling would contact me by phone and text after shows, sometimes to apologize for his behavior and then do it again and sometimes just to talk. he wanted to fly me to new york and do studio hits. once he took me to his office in new york, showed me his baseball jerseys, let me know his office was his favorite place to have sex. here he is in 2011 talking to mr. heldman on air. take a listen.

>> boycotts are the most american thing you can do. >> i am shocked the great doctor said it is the most american thing you can do. >> joining me, former fox news guest who is the accuser i was talking about, accusing him of sexual harassment. thank you for joining us. >> good morning. joy. >> can you tell me how far does this daylight back, this kind of treatment of you. played a clip from 2011. did this begin immediately when you were on fox or over time. >> it began immediately. it was part of the culture, part of the environment. i worked at fox from 2008 until 2011 and it was definitely something that was accepted, so i experienced it from three different men, also frequently experienced it from guests that would come into the green room. as i noted on my facebook post, i think a lot of makeup artists,

people who can't speak up who would lose their job because they're contract people, they experienced it pretty routinely. as andrea put it, it was the wild west of sexual harassment. i think the fact that top down folks are immediately suspending eric bolling when the allegations came out is a sign of sure progress. >> three other men you said, who are the other two? >> the other two were bill o'reilly, and woody fraser who was roger's right-hand man. i published or participated in a piece published earlier this week with mother jones about woody fraser. that was perhaps the most significant for my life, it was a quid pro quo arrangement where i believe i was denied contributorship because i wouldn't sleep with him. there's a lot of evidence,

e-mail evidence, and other evidence from my journals, i am a meticulous journaler that indicates yeah, my career at fox was cut short because i wouldn't sleep with roger ailes's right-hand man. >> did you complain to anyone at fox? >> no, it was clear to me the culture at that time was different, it is not like it is now. i would have immediately been off air, had i complained, had i not made jokes and humor about it in order to deflect it which is a common strategy for people that experience sexual harassment. it was abundantly clear to me that i would have immediately been off air had i complained or reported anything. >> and i will caveat this by saying it is never a good idea, i do not support the idea of putting the victim in the hot seat as to why they put up with harassment. however, i think a lot of people ask the logical question, why

would you stay. why continue to appear on fox if this is what you were experiencing. >> joy, i think for the same reason a lot of women and men who experience sexual harassment stay, because you want to work, because this is your life's work, because you have spent years gaining expertise so that you can do this and i wanted to do it at fox, even though it is harder than other networks i have been on because i wanted to interrupt the script. for me it was my life's passion and my life's passion was cut short because of sexual harassment, and had i spoken out about it, it would have been cut short years earlier. >> did you talk with other women at fox, were there conversations happening between women who were experiencing this kind of behavior, including from eric bolling? >> yes, there were frequent conversations. i find the makeup and hair artists to be the most knowledgeable about it, also i had many conversations with

contributors and hosts about the inappropriate behavior. we would compare strategies for managing the men, that's how bad it was. i don't want to say every man at fox was bad, that's not the case. in fact, there are many, many people at fox that i respect. pertaining to eric bolling, i know of at least one other person that had a very similar experience, i hope she speaks up, if she doesn't, i don't hold it against her, because goodness, you want to know what victim blaming culture looks like, go to my facebook page, read the comments. >> please stay with us. i want to talk with you, want to bring gabe back in. this seems to comport with reporting you've done over time, that the culture was so blatant he could call them boobs on the ground and dr. mchotty on air without consequences. >> no question. this goes back to the culture roger ailes built from the top

down, and allegations that have come out of his right hand, long time friend and colleague woody fraser, a former fox executive told me that around the office, ailes would joke that woody was a quote, walking lawsuit. we have roger making light of the fact that woody fraser's reputation and behavior, alleged behavior toward women was such that it was opening him up to litigation, and he even promoted him. i can empathize for those that worked at fox in this impossible position of wanting to pursue their career but understanding the culture would not tolerate them speaking up. >> is this only coming forward because of the merger, that there's a desire to merge the company and that now they have to clean this out? do you get the sense that's the reason we hear this stuff come out? >> if this is them cleaning it

out, what took them so long. what are the murdocks afraid of. dozens of women talking about harassment, being afraid to be in a room alone with him with a door shut. why haven't they cleaned house? what is it that they're promoting people that are engaged in this. they can run a conservative news channel without it representing a sexual harassment criminal enterprise. why can't they decouple themselves. if you look at the hacking scandal that rocked them in england, we don't hear reports of people or murdock breaking into e-mails. they fixed that problem. why are they afraid to take drastic action to fix the problem? >> carolyn, were you ever able to talk with any executives, even off the record, about this culture? because it does seem it was promoted as part of the experience of working at fox and

being on tv there. >> it was definitely part of the culture, it was definitely top down, and there were people standing by and knew this was happening, i have had conversations with a few folks over the years about that who are no longer at fox, but it is very much like a tight knit family where it feels like, and i think this has been borne out, they will retaliate if you complain, somebody goes against a family member, if you will. i am heartened to see swift action in the case of roger ailes and bill o'reilly and now eric bolling. we do think it is a new day, regardless of what the motives are, i hope it effectively shifts that culture. >> i have to ask you this, too. we've had tamera holder on the show, one of the things we noticed, i talked to lisa bloom about this, women like yourself come forward vanish off tv. how has this impacted your

career, and are you able to pursue your life's work, do you worry it will make it impossible or difficult to do what you want to do? >> well, absolutely. i think that, i can't speak specifically but i'll say i'm trying to get a position on another network that i have successfully been on recently and i know how institutions work, i know they look at people that blow the whistle or come up years later as being troublemakers, and that's a fact, right, so every woman or man that goes through this knows they run a risk of hurting their career. i would say i definitely had that fear for my own career. i hope that's not the case, but i understand how institutions work. >> i hope you'll accept our invitation to come back, not just to talk about this, there's an open door for you to be on this show. we appreciate you taking the time. >> thank you, joy.

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may of this year, fox news published an article claiming it was rich who leaked all of the internal dnc e-mails to wikileaks during the 2016 election, not russian hackers, implying he was murdered for it. the suit was filed by rod wheeler, a detective that regularly appears on fox news. he was quoted in fox's story, saying he uncovered a link between seth rich and wikileaks, quotes we learn now were fabricated. fox retracted the story a week later. wheeler's lawsuit says foxconn kokted this to show russian collusion. they said the retraction is being investigated internally and we have no evidence that rod wheeler was misquoted. wheeler's lawsuit claims the

white house was involved in getting the story published. wheeler claimed he and ed butowski met with spicer. wheeler claims he later told him the president read the article before publication, wanted it published immediately. the white house denies trump had any knowledge of the story. butowski says the lawsuit allegations are false and he has never spoken to trump. adding more to the drama, news that the russian site sputnik pressured its own white house correspondent to advance the fake se fake seth rich story and then was fired. beverly hunt, spokesman for sputnik says the following. andrew willingly entered into an

at will employment agreement. sputnik elected not to renew his agreement. joining me, andrew fineburg, former correspondent for sputnik. thank you for being here. >> hi, joy. >> we read the statement about your firing. i want to allow you to walk back, tell me about it. did tweet in may i no longer work for sputnik, i would love to tell you why. seems sputnik isn't happy with real journalists, they would rather have propagandaists. they don't want reporters to have their own reputation, it is easier when it doesn't come with a by line. >> you look at their website, most stories don't appear with by line of the reporter that wrote the story. i was able to push back on this policy that wasn't in their style guide or anything like that, it was just as i was told the way things are done.

but they do this because when there's no name on a story, there's no accountability, when no one is accountable, they can write whatever they want. >> what did they want you to write about this seth rich conspiracy story? >> my last week there was when the president was on his first foreign trip. on friday, may 26th, last day there, i was called into a meeting with my editor, the guy who supervised me day to day, and a man i never met, older man who later would identify himself as the bureau chief, which was interesting because i had never once seen him in sputnik's washington bureau. i came to this meeting, i was told next week when the president comes back we'd like you to ask about seth rich, the story during briefings and what not and i said no.

i said i wasn't comfortable with that and they said in that case we have a termination letter for you and handed it to me right then. >> the bureau chief you never met before, was he american? >> no. >> did you know where he was from? >> i assumed based on his accent and name that he was russian. >> you said you never met him before. >> not once. >> when you went to work for sputnik, did you know it was owned and operated by the russian government. >> of course. here's the thing. i said this many times. there are many state owned outlets, al jazeera, voice of america, that do wonderful, wonderful work. and when i interviewed at sputnik, first thing they asked me what would you do telling you to write something that's not true, i said i would quit. they were satisfied with that answer because they hired me. as it turned out, they never until that point asked me to write something that wasn't

true, that was a blatant lie, they're more clever than that, it is always half truth and shading the truth and leaving out part of the story. >> was the shading of the truth you saw there as we got to the ramp up to the election any direction that favored donald trump? >> well, i didn't work there during the election. i joined january 23rd. >> once he was already president. >> yeah. i was hired to do that particular job. i was told that i would have the same editorial independence as i would have at any other publication. >> why were you uncomfortable asking questions about the seth rich story? >> because it is not something that at the time, there have been other revelations that say he might have been the leaker, may not have been the leaker, but idea that he was murdered because of it when on may 26th there was no evidence saying that, and that story had

actually, that fox news story had been retracted, i wasn't comfortable asking questions in a live briefing to advance a narrative that was not grounded in reality. it is very troubling, this lawsuit, because it reveals that the trump administration, then press secretary sean spicer was involved in pushing this discredited story, the murder linked to allegations that he was the leaker. lot of things have been said about sean spicer. i always thought he was a good man, and this is very disappointing to me as someone who thought he did as well as he could in a tough job. >> appreciate you coming down. hopefully you'll come back. thank you very much. up next, the alt right.

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this notion of well, they have to learn english before they get to the united states, are we just going to bring in people from great britain and australia? >> actually, i am shocked at your statement that you think only people from great britain and australia would know english. it reveals your cosmopolitan bias to a shocking degree that in your mind, no, this is an amazing moment. this is an amazing moment. >> wow. steven miller's verbal showdown

with jim acosta, including his use of the term cosmopolitan, which is considered an alt right dog whistle in some circles was apparently a hit with the white house. reports that the senior policy adviser is up for promotion. but the search is in early stages, miller is not reportedly the top contender. if the 31-year-old former mentee of steve bannon is chosen as communications director, he will be the third comms since he took office. including anthony scaramucci who was fired ten days after that appointment was announced and that interview with "the new yorker." miller has his own style and way with words. >> do you feel like you and your staff there are in control of events at the white house? >> i think to say we're in

control would be a substantial understatement. we have a president that's done more things than most have done in an entire administration. i am prepared to go on any show any time, repeat it, say the president of the united states is correct, 100%. the end result of this is that our opponents, the media and the whole world will soon see as we begin to take further actions that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned. >> the president will not be questioned. joining me, republican strategist, evan sigfried, and let's go to tara first. in a sense, i get the sense that steve miller is the perfect communications director for donald trump. >> yes, condescending, check. gas lighter, check.

racist, check, abrasive, check. i think he definitely ticks off all of the boxes. >> cosmopolitan. jim acosta, son of cuban refugee parents or grandparents. are you kidding me? >> exactly. this is exactly what trump wants. the difference between steven miller and scaramucci, there are many differences. number one, he actually has a background in communications, so he is a little better at moderating himself, moderating for the consumption of moderate republicans as well as the base. he knows how to throw out a dog whistle but knows how to do it in a craftier way, except the media is onto his tactics. that's going to be a problem for him. he knows how to tone it down, attack when he needs to attack. but better at playing the game. >> except when it comes to lady liberty, why does he hate the statue of liberty? immediately after this rant that happened, what he said

specifically, attacks on the poem, frequently echoed by white nationalists, that's not something new for steven miller to echo white nationalist talking points, but he did it again. some said get him off tv forever. why would the white house say this is the guy we need. >> you're missing something. they saw jim acosta versus steven miller, many anti-trump republicans went and said they side with steven miller, they thought it was right and that jim acosta overstepped. he was making the argument terrorists are making, not a reporter. when you have the white house in disarray in general, steven miller is qualified to become communications director, but it still starts at the top. there's no direction coming from the president, no leadership. that's why you're seeing the fracture and chaos. >> i would assume the alt right, there's a story it is steve bannon, that he likes the idea of miller for the job, and

miller was the hero of the west wing to the point evan made after he attacked him as a cosmopolitan for views on immigration, alt right thought it was amazing what he did. i assume breitbart will be thrilled to have steven miller running the communications department. >> absolutely. this is having one of their own, a lot has been written and documented about the long-standing relationship between steven miller working for then senator, now attorney general jeff sessions, and steven was the go between between the reporters and senator sessions, talking, strategizing. also think this appointment would signal a little healing between the damage that may have been done with trump's attacks against jeff sessions and bringing in his guy, session' long time communications director as white house communications director, a sessions ally, that would do a lot in their estimation to

smooth over that, you saw trump tweeted something complementary, first time in weeks. one is laehealing the rift betw some on the right after the attacks on the attorney general. >> from a stratergary, guy that was aenlt lady liberty, that that's the person on the left for the face of the white house? >> remember this, joy. the white house has no credibility behind the podium. they lost credibility on day one. the other part, donald trump doesn't want a communications director, he thinks he is better

at it than anybody else. he wants people going on tv and attacking the press. that's what it is. he wants people to defend the crazy things donald trump says. and also i think there's this other piece to this as well, it is going to be an interesting test for john kelly, does he have the power or is steve bannon and white nationalist, white supremist wing of the west wing, are they still wielding all of the control? >> as a strategist, i would think this is something you might welcome. it is simple if they're running the west wing and communication. >> for people on the left, democrats, it is christmas time. one thing we need to understand as democrats, this may appealtoo us, the type of behavior, the gas lighting, the lying, racism, all of that appeals and energizes trump's base, too.

if democrats don't have something to push our base out in addition to this, it is still not enough. i wanted to echo the point that i think it is a big test for kelly because kelly has someone in mind for this position. this is his first major test to see how much control he has. so this is what we'll see. he is public about who he has in mind for this position. >> interesting. the strategist here, from the point of view of people whose job it is to get republicans elected next year, better to have the kelly wing be front facing donald trump look or is it better to have the base all excited with the bannon, breitbart. >> i think that what is happening in the white house, when you see them come out and do theme weeks which is positive to do, the message is just hey, here's this great thing. but they don't have anything to

back it up. should be working at the other end of pennsylvania avenue, having other members of congress introducing legislation for goals like made in america week. in terms of strategy, whether or not it is to excite the base, we have to do both. >> the breitbart wing despise the paul ryan wing. >> it might be helpful getting something done, it would completely -- the challenge is every time they try to do something on capitol hill, breitbart has a story attacking someone on capitol hill. particularly in the republican leadership, mitch mcconnell or paul ryan, and that spirit of working with congress gets completely undermined and everyone assumes when you see a negative headline at breitbart about a member of congress or leadership that they're taking queues from the white house and west wing and steve bannon. >> another super panel. thank you, appreciate it.

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recently i had the pleasure of writing the forward for a wonderful and heartfelt new book on daughters living without their fathers. he never came home is a collection of personal essays from a diverse group of women who have been separated from their fathers through divorce, abandonment, or death. their stories reveal the significance of the

father-daughter relationship and what happens when that bond is broken. joining me now, one of the women featured in the book, emmy award winning 5:actress regina king a the author of "he never came home." thank you, both of the reginas, for being here. i'm very excited ability this segment. i need a minute. i know regina robertson a bit, so i can talk to you calmly. this is the book. it's gorgeous, it's beautiful. it's a beautiful book and also beautiful to read. what make you came up with this idea, regina? >> first of all, joy, thank you for having us. we're so happy to be here. we haven't seen each other in a while, so it's really good to be here. the book came about because i wrote an article in "honey" magazine in 2002. i worked with an editor that said write what you know. i never met my father, and i said, you know, i think i could write this story.

i didn't tell my story, though, i told stories of three women, i interviewed a psychologist and an author who had written a book on the subject, and after the article ran, it was october of 2002 i got calls from women asking me why i didn't think to interview them. i think up until that time i thought it was just me, and i'm like, maybe, you know, maybe there is a book here. but i'm a different woman now, different writer, and it's taken these many years for it to come to fruition and i think this is a book i probably needed when i was 15. >> push from friends. >> push from friends. >> i'm going to sask you some o the other people that wrote essays for you. regina, your essay is beautiful, it's well done. "girls need their dads in their lives for so many reasons. there are certain things about life and relationships that only a father can teach his daughter. when he's not available to her, she ends up learning by trial

and error." people know you as an incredible actress. tell us, does your own sense of absence, is that part of what you allows you to emotionally go in the places you go, and how did it impact you? >> i guess you would say that it's part of it. i think my entire life is part of why i can tap in to emotions and places that i go as an actress. i also think it's my god given talent, as well, combination, of all the of the above. but i do feel that when you talk about me as a mother and the importance of making sure my ex-husband is still in his son's life, you know, there never was a moment that he wasn't, but i think my experience with my father played a big part in me letting go of my ego and my anger through my divorce and

realizing that the most important thing and the biggest thing is him and raising him healthily and building his mind and spirit. and letting go of our personal stuff to do that. >> and regina king, were you one of people pushing regina robertson to write the book, or a recipient of the surprise request? >> pushing and recipient. both, yeah. >> can i just say, regina king, i love regina king. we share a first and middle name. >> regina renees. >> we greet each other by saying hello, queen, all the time. she was actually working on two shows. she was working on, i believe, "the leftovers" and "american crime," and we edited her story, we interviewed, can you talk now. she would call me between set and we'd e-mail back and forth while she was winning emmys and shooting two shows and she's been supportive since the first

day i called her and said i think i want to write this book. so she's been amazing. now she's a two-time emmy winner. >> yes. i was at home cheering and tweeting about it. tell me some of the other people in the book, regina robertson. >> we have simona smith who's a jewelry writer, she wrote the most amazing essay. sarah tomlinson, who wrote a book called "good girl." she's from maine. when i read her story, i thought i have to call her, she has to be in the book. i have a young woman whose dad was in prison most of her life and has been deported, but she has a great relationship with her father. i have a woman out of north carolina who is lebanese and her father got remarried and she missed him so much. her essay is called "every time you go away." i actually found her online and she was wonderful. gabrielle reese, who is the fitness instructor -- fitness

expert and model. and i found her, i googled her. i want her in the book, and i e-mailed her and called her and she -- one e-mail, one phone call, and her essay is beautiful, as well. >> it's a great book. i recommend everyone read it. regina king, regina robertson, thank you so much for being here. highlight of my day, thank you. >> thank you. >> that is our show for today. be sure to join us next week for more "am joy." up next, the white house's reaction to more terrible poll numbers. more news at the top of the hour. wondering, what if? i let go of all those feelings. because i am cured with harvoni. harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. it's been prescribed to more than a quarter million people. and is proven to cure up to 99% of patients who have had no

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