strong as he has ever been in iowa and every potentially ambitious republican knows that. i want to go straight to nbc's kelly o'donnell in bridgewater, new jersey, by the president's resort where he's spending the next two weeks. we've seen the president out and about, including in iowa. is that part of the reason the president is pushing back on this pence report, as well? >> reporter: i think there is a big issue about loyalty in the trump circle, and mike pence from the day he was selected as a running mate has demonstrated that loyalty in good times and really rough times during the campaign and does not want that question now, especially knowing how important it has been for the president to lean on mike pence. sure, a lot of his activities have an overlap of campaign, which can go down to the benefit of trump/pence 2020. that's what officials say. the vice president, just like the president, has a new chief of staff. in the president's case he comes from the political operative

world. that raised some questions, and certainly there is fundraising that goes on and mike pence has a good network of fundraising that far surpasses what the president has, because he has not been a politician. those factors brought pence into the conversation. you see republican senators, governors, some of whom have challenged the president on different issues, who also appear to be making those visits to iowa, new hampshire, that raise some eyebrows. we don't know if the president will run for re-election. he has told us he expects to, and it's awfully early. the next big election is 2018. answering all of this today was counselor kellyanne conway, who defended pence's loyalty. >> i worked with him for ten years as his senior adviser and certainly worked with him daily in the white house. it is absolutely true that the vice president is getting ready for 2020, for re-election as vice president. >> and one of the things you see now, even when a story like

this, which might be part of the parlor games and musings about people interested in politics run, the white house and the pence side of that did not want to let this simmer, so it was notable that they put out a forceful statement today denying any intention other than supporting president trump in his own re-election. jacob? >> yeah, and i can see why they wouldn't want it to simmer, specifically with the investigations in congress and with special prosecutor mueller looking into the campaign ties with russia. nbc's kelly o'donnell, thanks so much, appreciate it. let's bring in jonathan allen, co-author of "shattered," also eliza collins, politics reporter for "usa today" and lead reporter for the on politics blog and former cia officer jack rice. thank you so much to all of you for being here. the "times" story offers a list why pence might be in play. one is he started his own political fundraising committee, which is outpacing trump's outside group in donations that

are public. he hired a political operative with no experience in government to a signal that the vice president wants to be ready. and he is making his presence known in iowa, he showed up at joni ernst's event. let's start with you, does this sound like a vice president who wants to be vice president for eight years or maybe president in four years? >> both. i think that mike pence is doing exactly what you would do in the situation that he's in, which is unlike other republicans, he's hemmed in in terms of being able to start a political operation with the thought that donald trump would be weakened or perhaps not in office. he's not able to play that game. and yet as vice president he is able to point toward 2020 and he's doing things that could sort of serve both purposes. there is no advantage to mike pence, though, in getting cross wise with donald trump. would there be a situation mike pence would run for president, it would be donald trump had not decided to run, removed from

office, something like that. no way mike pence is running against donald trump. the backlash against that would be huge. i think he's just doing what you would smartly do to get ready for 2020 and has that double benefit of if in the event donald trump isn't on the ballot, pence is in the position to step in. >> nor could he run against donald trump with how closely he's aligned himself to the president. eliza, not that we're counting, but it's been one year and 23 days since mr. trump named pence to the ticket. of course, it was in a tweet. have we seen number two make moves like the vice president has so early on in his administration? >> i'm not sure if they haven't made the moves, but these are more public and that's because what jonathan was saying, there's a lot going on, there's these investigations, so there's lots of speculation. they may have been making the moves in fundraising and things like that. it's just not as public. >> you're sitting there in washington, d.c. do you get the sense people in our nation's capitol believe the vice president's strong denial? >> i think so.

i mean, i think if you're a trump supporter, the denial was very strong. pence has aligned himself so closely with trump. i think it is hard to kind of see any sort of wedge, but i guess we'll have to see as things go along with, you know, how the numbers show and the different investigations where people believe pence will be in 2020. >> before we get to the russia investigation, jonathan, another question for you, there are other names mentioned in the story as potential primary challengers. tom cotton, ben sass, governor john kasich. who are you watching? >> i think kasich is definitely somebody to watch. he's going to be at the end of his tenure as governor of ohio, somebody who has separated himself from trump already, and somebody who really believes in a different brand of politics than donald trump does. also hailing from a state that is important in a general election. i think he's probably the most likely of the set that have been mentioned. i would be surprised if there was no challenge to donald trump if 2020.

>> jack, let's talk russia. there seems to be a truce between the attorney general and the president of the united states after the a.g.'s blistering attack this past week on leaks. of course, many of them deal with russia. presidential counselor kellyanne conway was asked today about a bipartisan bill that would make it harder to remove the special counsel. let's watch that. >> why are we engaging in hypotheticals? the entire russia investigation is a hypothetical. >> does the president commit to not firing robert mueller? >> the president has not even discussed that. the president is not discussing firing bob mueller. >> will he commit not to fire -- >> we are come plyiplying and cooperating -- he's not discussed firing bob mueller. >> let's be clear, conway would only say he hasn't talked about firing mueller. does he need to make a promise right now, or is that jumping the gun? >> well, probably is jumping the gun, but let's be very clear

about where we are right now. we've already seen congress has been very clear about dealing with the sanctions question. they forced the president to sign that, because they could have overridden him on that. they didn't want to see that happen. at the same time you're seeing a bipartisan effort in both the house and the senate to protect the special prosecutor, to protect bob mueller in this case, and i think that's important, because what that really highlights is that there is concern in both the house and the senate, including republicans, by the way, that the president may step in, may try to disrupt the investigation. it seems very clear that what he did with mr. comey on the front end, what he's done at multiple times in the past during the investigatory process, he may be doing something here to thwart him. so it's obvious that they are concerned, including republicans, which i think is really interesting, because we're not seeing much publicly said about it, but they are doing something legislatively. >> the buzz that we hear is john kelly is imposing as much order that we have seen inside this

trump white house. he's, obviously, a general and there's that military chain of command. is that something that you think is making a difference in how the president approaches bob mueller? >> oh, i think it is. it's very, very clear his new chief of staff has stepped in to really control the environment. you can look at the number of tweets that the president has actually put out. they've dropped dramatically. you're looking at a lot less chaotic approach not just inside the oval office, but the white house itself, and frankly it's necessary, because it made the white house in general look really amateur and somewhat incompetent. i think what's critically important for those on the outside watching and certainly for the president, he wants to look like he knows what he's doing. if he's out of control, if his people are out of control, then he's going to have a hard time doing it, but ultimately here's the real problem, you can have a great chief of staff, you can have a great organizational structure, you can have a great communications staff, but if we really look at what blew everything to pieces, what has

continued to light these issues on fire again and again, it's the same guy who is still sitting in the big chair. >> the president of the united states. that's exactly right, refusing to listen, you know, to the conclusions from intelligence agencies like the one that you were a part of. >> very true. >> jonathan, let's talk about this. there are reports that white house senior policy adviser steven miller could be in line to join the communication shop. one of the pieces of the puzzle may be replacing anthony scaramucci, aka the mooch, after his explosive exchange with ryan lizza. we saw steven miller's exchange with that cnn reporter about the immigration plan. let's show that to people, then we'll talk about it. >> public support is so immense on this. look at the polling data in many key battleground states across the country, that over time you're going to see massive public push for this kind of legislation. >> this whole notion of they

have to learn english before they get to the united states, are we just going to bring in people from great britain and australia? >> actually, i have to honestly say, i am shocked at your statement that you think that only people from great britain and australia would know english. it reveals your cosmopolitan bias to a shocking degree that in your mind -- no, this is an amazing -- this is an amazing moment. >> sounds like you're trying to engineer the racial and ethnic flow of people into this country. >> that is one of the most outrageous, insulting, ignorant, and foolish things you've ever said, and for you that's still a really -- the notion that you think that this is a racist bill is so wrong and so insulting. >> so, i would just like to say for the record, me, this cosmopolitan los angeles grew up a stone's throw away from steven miller that went to santa monica high school, so i found that exchange somewhat ironic.

although, i can imagine, jonathan, the president of the united states sitting there and loving that exchange. do you get the sense miller is what the president is looking for? >> the audience of one is going to be, you know, be the president of the united states who seems to like this performance art for his own benefit, then steven miller has a good shot at being behind the podium. if the president wants to eff t effectively communicate his policies to other republicans and to eindependents and democrats, he will not be behind the podium. i don't think he's doing the president a lot of favor in terms of making a broader appeal. >> eliza, on miller, politifact gave him a pants on fire rating, you know, he's got this credibility problem at least in that regard. will he have a credibility problem working in the communications office? >> i think he'll have a

difficult time. the white house and the media have already had a tough road and i think someone that is just such tense exchange, so accusatory, known for things, false statements, the media is going to have a hard time trusting what he says from the podium and taking that as fact. >> all right, from cosmopolitan l.a., i'd like to thank you all. appreciate you guys being here. >> thanks, jacob. coming up, it is one of the worst drug crises in u.s. history. coming up next, a new call for the white house to declare a national energy in the fight against opioid addiction. >> according to the cdc, 142 people a day are dying in america. of drug overdoses. this means, jake, that we have a 9/11 scale loss of life every three weeks. if that's not a national health emergency, i don't know what is. causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain

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americans consume more opioids than any other country in the world, and it is the root of a national emergency now causing approximately 142 deaths a day in the united states. that is the finding of a new report from the federal commission on combatting drug addiction and the opioid crisis. this commission was established by president trump's march 29th executive order and made several recommendations for the president aiming to slow the overdose rates and treat the addiction crisis. joining me now, patrick kennedy, who is a member of the commission. great to have you here, appreciate you being here on this sunday. this draft report that you issued monday recommends that trump declare a national emergency either the public health service act or what's called the stafford act. this is what the kroecoroner ino told me earlier this year. take a look.

>> if you could extrapolate from the numbers that you see here in montgomery county, how many people across ohio are going to be killed by fentanyl this year? >> that's about 10,000 for the state or more. >> how is that not a mass causality event? that is multiples of 9/11. >> it is a mass causality event. this is no different than some kind of mass causality event in any other form. it's just a medical event. >> medical emergency. >> i believe so. it needs to be recognized that way to bring federal assets to help us. >> so congressman, what i heard on the ground there in montgomery county, which local officials say is the epicenter of the crisis is what you called for, a national emergency. what would that do? is this all about resources? >> well, first, it frames the issue in a way that hopefully wakes up america to the fact that we all see these headlines of not only the overdose rate

climbing, but the suicide rate climbing. this is a public health emergency twofold, because, frankly, it's a mental health emergency. we need to deal with this issue because it's claiming so many american lives that literally amongst many demographic groups in this country we're starting to see a decline in overall life expectancy. as americans, because of these illnesses not being addressed and the fact that they lead to these overdoses and suicides in the most extreme cases, but keep in mind millions and millions of americans are still struggling, even if they are not dying. so the fact of the matter is, it's tragic that it takes all these deaths, but unfortunately, it hasn't seemed to penetrate the consciousness of this country, because if this were in the case of your clip a hurricane, a flood, you know, a

tsunami, we would be marshaling all of our resources in order to address it. if it were a hurricane katrina, forget about if it was ebola or zika virus. can you imagine if something was killing americans at the rate that we're seeing at over 142 a day? so it's shocking. it seems there's a disconnect, jacob, in this country, and i think it really stems from the fact that we in our own lives and your viewers right now really don't want to talk about this issue in our own lives. it affects us personally, it affects our family members, and our friends. and what's the usual response? silence is the usual response. we're all in a collective denial, jacob, and that denial that we see in our own families, i think, is really reflected in the fact that congress is in denial themselves about the fact that this is such a huge crisis. so we thought we would do is

really lead with a state of emergency declaration in order to frame people in this context that this is a crisis, and then if it is a crisis, then congress must appropriate the necessary resources in order to meet the crisis. >> i only have a limited amount of time left, but i have two questions i want to get in for you. number one is you all in this report empathize the report of medicaid and treating opioid addiction. it was a big topic of discussion, the rolling back of medicaid coverage would greatly impact the amount of people getting opioid addiction treatment. so how do you reconcile that? how do you convince the president not getting rid of medicaid is critically important to this crisis? >> well, the president's, obviously, listening to those republican governors who are telling him that the only way for us to effectively treat this epidemic is through insurance. if you don't have access to insurance, then you can't get access to the wrap around

services that are necessary, because keep in mind, jacob, these illnesses of addiction and mental illness are impacting other physical health costs. you know, they are impacting diabetes, cardiovascular disease, even other illnesses like cancer and so forth are complicated. in other words, the costs are skyrocketing because of the impact of these illnesses not being treated. so the point is, if we go to the republican block grant, we're not going to be able to provide the consistency of care that is our only chance of really breaking someone's cycle of addiction. like we would try to break any other chronic illness from continuing to pathology. the only way to do it is through insurance. >> that block grant was about $45 billion. experts say that's not nearly enough. let me quickly get in one more about treatment. some studies have shown medical marijuana could aid the crisis.

uc san diego published this in april, appeared in the journal drug and alcohol dependence, found just legalizing medical marijuana correlated with a 23% drop in hospitalizations related to the opioid abuse or overdose. the commission's report, however, makes no mention to medical marijuana. i know you personally oppose the legalization efforts. there were 7,800 comments that went ignored in this report on the online website and the other comments submitted to the commission. how come? >> well, first of all, we have a crisis, as i said, in mental illness and addiction in this country. we love our addictions in america. i just don't think adding more gasoline to the fire by adding a new addictive substance. what we're talking right now about having prescription drug monitoring programs, which is a way of curtailing the prescribing of things like purdue pharma's oxycontin. the notion we would give a

financial incentive for a new purdue pharma, this is the big tobacco of our time. big marijuana will now have an incentive to marketing to people, which is the same problem we saw that got us into this crisis on the opioid crisis. i don't think we should go down that road again and replicate what we had happen to us with overprescribing of oxycontin and other opiates happen to us now with the over access and commercialization of marijuana. it just doesn't seem to me that it is a logical or sensible solution. and that's my view. >> just to clarify, because we have to go. you don't hold much weight to that study, 23% drop in hospitalizations related to opioid abuse with states of legal marijuana? >> this is, obviously, an issue i care about. i sat with the head of the american society of addiction medicine three nights ago and asked her in great detail.

she says the american society for addiction medicine is apo plek tick, but you don't conform by allowing a new for-proper pr industry, i just don't think that's a solution, especially in a time where we're in such a large public health crisis of suicide and overdose. >> thank you for your work on what is the worst drug crisis america has ever seen. greatly appreciate it. >> thank you, jacob. joining me now, served as the director of the white house office of national drug control policy under president obama. let me put that question to you first. is there a role for medical marijuana and stopping the

opioid crisis? >> i think we need to separate out the legalization of marijuana for personal use versus marijuana for medicinal purposes. under the obama administration, we tried to accelerate research and diminish some of the research barriers to focus on the legitimate use of marijuana for therapeutic purposes. i think quite honestly our politics are a little bit ahead of our science as to relate to what therapeutic purposes are. so i think we really need to do everything that we can to investigate medical marijuana, particularly for instances of pain. >> you are the first federal drug czar to have a personal background in addiction recovery. many of the previous came from police or military backgrounds. obviously, you know, throwback to the war on drugs. you've moved the government's approach to drug use away from a punishment model and towards a treatment model. what does a treatment model look like?

how can that lower this truly staggering death rate, more than car crashes, more than gun deaths, more than hiv/aids now? >> i think my appointment and who i am really represents the president's strategy as it related to drug use in the united states. for far too long we had an overreliance on law enforcement and criminal justice approaches to this, which hasn't worked. this crisis of opioids in the united states wasn't created by a cartel. it was created by the medical community here and we need to deal with this as a health issue, you know, i think that one of the things about the commission's report that we should be grateful for is this really was a continuation of a focus on issues of the epidemic and substance use in general as a public health issue. too much people in the united states still don't get treatment, even with the affordable care act and the new resources that the obama

administration put out. we need to make sure as the commission's recommendations underscore is that every person who needs treatment, particularly for opioid use, gets treatment when they need it and we need to continue to do everything we can to ensure we're diverting people away from the criminal justice and making sure they are getting linked up to those evidence-based treatment programs. >> all right. michael, thank you so much for being here. very grateful to have you on this sunday. stick around, we'll be right back. >> thanks, jacob. electric light orchestra ]

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eddie huang, don't turn to him now, stay here with us. how are you? >> good, how are you doing? >> good, this latest episode that played on wednesday, you went to cape cod to explore the world of this unusual place. i want to show everybody a clip from that. >> yeah, sure. >> i heard you talking about trump. i was just at his rally down in florida. >> oh, why? >> can i sit? >> sure, sure. >> first of all, we are a judeo-christian country, i'm christian myself. they opened the rally with prayer before anyone got up and did any speeches. >> i don't think this is a judeo-christian country. the puritans came for religious freedom and, of course, they have religious beliefs and the values come from those beliefs, but they are immigrants and so many other people have come to america and built this country and contributed to it. i don't think this country belongs to any one person or one group. >> when i say that, i'm talking about the founding fathers and the back of our dollar says "in

god we trust," so we were built on that stage. i think we're losing the core values that our country was founded on. >> so this episode is really fascinating. the dichotomy in cape cod is interesting, because really rich people go to vacation there, but may not be the situation with people who live there. >> cape cod, the hamptons, interesting places, because you have a lot of working class people in the tourism service industry, the fishing industry, the lobster fishing, it's not as lucrative as it used to be, but you still have extremely wealthy elites coming in the summer, and i think there is a lot of tension and there's an interesting thing going on socially and politically on cape cod in the hamp totons and grow up in orlando it's not as extreme, but everyone that grew up in orlando, you know, we were all in the service industry and a lot of people in your city are

tourists. >> you also see when i was there this past summer, candiddly, th struggles people have, the opioid crisis is a very big deal out there. you're the son of taiwanese immigrants, you wrote about this in your book, "fresh off the boat," it was turned into a tv show. president wants to create a merit-based system instead of the one that's there now. what do you think of that? >> well, you know, i like to use sports analogies so that people can get outside of their heads and their parties for a second and think about these things, but this would be like saying we only want lottery picks coming into america. how many times do you pick the wrong lottery picks? isaiah thomas is a second round pick, you know, trevor ariza is a second round pick. >> deandre jordan was third round, i think. >> second round. >> yeah. >> rashard louis, late round pick. people miss all the time.

michael jordan, i believe, was the third pick in the draft. what if you only picked the first player? i don't think it's possible to have an entirely merit-based thing and also if you buy into the capitalist society, which all of us living in america have, capitalism depends on competition. without competition, without an equal starting line and without new people, new blood, new culture and ideas to come in and compete, then we are not a highly efficient functioning capitalist society. so to keep people out, there's been tons of studies that show immigra immigration is a boon to the economy. >> recent reports say the justice department plans on investigating universities over affirmative action. there was a report in the "l.a. times" that said asian-americans are divided on this. where do you come down with this department of justice looking into the issue of affirmative

action? >> this is a really interesting thing. i'm a firm believer in affirmative action. it's not just about -- affirmative action is extremely important, because having diversity and multiculturalism in schools is a benefit to everybody, right? when you have too many people of one group of one background dominating class discussion, dominating the resources that are available in the education system, then you only have that perspective being represented in our world today. i believe some of the people that are bringing this case are asian-american groups, and something very funny is going on, because conservatives, republicans, trump himself, they are allying with these asian groups saying, oh, it's not just whites, it's also asians. asian-americans out there, don't get duped. you know what i mean? these people complaining in these groups, there are some kids i read about, i think joe zoe was his name. he had a 4.44, perfect s.a.t.

score, i believe, did not get into harvard, now attends uc berkley. sorry, joe. but, like, the thing is, i understand the asian-american anger over this in certain of these groups, because people have told you, you have high test scores, you have good grades, perfect test scores, you're going to get into this college, you're going to get into these colleges. when someone has practiced their whole life and gotten that score that's so hard to get, it feels like the rug has been pulled out under you when you don't get what you think you deserved, but that sense of entitlement and privilege can strike any race in this country. the difference in an asian-american contexter ha ver white context, it's important to understand that while no one should feel privileged or entitled, asian-american have a starting line that is further back from white americans and affirmative action helps

everybody. it absolutely helps everybody. we all have to buy into this. we all have to buy into the fact that diversity and multiculturalism enriches all of our educations. >> last thing i want to ask you about, i could do a whole hour with you, you tweeted about norman lear, one of the kennedy center honorees this year and he said he's going to skip the ceremony, which is pretty unusual. you're now out here part time as a hollywood guy. what's your take on norman lear not showing up for the kennedy center honors? >> i love it. i get flak from people that watch the show. the show has continued to become more cultural and political as i've done it over the four years, and people will say, you know, you shouldn't be talking about politics in your show. just show us the food, eat the food and travel, you have a great job. i say, no, that would be terrible. that would be me misusing these resources. only so many of us have the privilege of doing television shows, working in entertainment, and if you are not taking a stand for things, if you are not

kind of trying to steer people or as gandhi says, be the change in the society that you want to see, i'm paraphrasing, but the thing is, you have to use your art. you have to use your entertainment to speak on these things. so bravo to norman lear. you're still reading about him and archie bunker is a very interesting character that i felt like a lot of people in cape cod or the hamptons would relate to, working class white guy who at that point that group was kind of like separating from the democratic party, right, and you started to see that shift. >> eddie huang, we have to do this again, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thanks, man. stick around, everybody. the next episode of "huang's world" airs wednesday on viceland. we will be right back.

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stock market and positive jobs report, president trump tweeted this, "toyota and mazda will build a $1.6 billion joint production facility in the united states. will spend $10 billion on plants in wisconsin and consumer confidence is at a 16-year high." the government said employers added 209,000 jobs last month with the unemployment rate dropping ever so slightly. joining me now, former deputy labor secretary in the obama administration. good to see you. sounds like this is good news for the president, but i would bet a nickel you are going to tell me he doesn't deserve all the credit. >> look, it is a good jobs report. there were some weakness in manufacturing, construction, retail, but it's important to realize this continues a seven-year trend of job growth that began under president obama. and so, look, you know, i'm always going to say good things about good job numbers, but the president has really done very little in the last six months to keep this job growth going. >> and we've heard for a long time about fox con coming to the

united states and now we're hearing about it again. back in january trump threatened to impose a hefty fee on toyota if it builds corollas in mexico or they would pay a border wall tax. it would appear, i should say, on the surface that the president's pressure tactics may have worked in this case. is that fair to say? >> well, jacob, i think it's important to look at this in context. we have seen this president doing announcements with carrier and boeing and ford and harley-davidson and many of those job announcements didn't pan out. i want to wait and see if this factory ever gets built. i want to see whether the tax subsidies would really merit the number of jobs that are being created, but certainly, yes, any time more jobs come back to the united states, that is a good thing. but the one-off announcements don't take the place for a comprehensive job strategy and whether it's tax reform or infrastructure, doesn't look like the president can get that across the finish line right now. >> what you're saying, there's a difference between bringing an

idea from the press conference to bringing it to completion. fox con, same deal. does he get credit yet? >> well, look, fox con also a couple years ago promised to build a plant in pennsylvania. it never got built. look, i'm not going to criticize any job announcement that comes to the united states, but i'd rather see a comprehensive job creation strategy out of this president instead of simply tweet shaming companies or taking credit for things that would have happened regardless. >> well, the risk in doing the jobs announcement thing is after the election president trump went to indianapolis to work out a deal with carrier to keep their plant open and nine months later carrier started laying off, what, a lot of its staff. what happened there? >> well, that's right. you know, there were large tax subsidies given from the state of indiana to carrier, but in the end that wasn't enough to keep the jobs here in the united states. we need to have a comprehensive manufacturing strategy that's backed up by a comprehensive

strategy, and president trump pledged to cut the budget of the department of labor by 20%, cut job training by $2 billion. you can't create jobs unless you train people to fill those jobs. >> right. always great to talk to you. appreciate you being here. >> thank you always. republicans and democrats reach across party lines to pass a bill on russia sanctions. next we're going to talk about the chances of a bipartisan solution when it comes to health care and tax reform. so when your "side glass" gets damaged... [dog barks] trust safelite autoglass to fix it fast. it's easy! just bring it to us, or let us come to you, and we'll get you back on the road! >> woman: thank you so much. >> safelite tech: my pleasure. >> announcer: 'cause we care about you... and your co-pilot. [dog barks] ♪safelite repair, safelite replace.♪

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so partisan bickering appears to be wearing thin in washington. the average from a series of recent polls suggest only 15% of americans approve of the job congress is doing, a new quinnipiac university poll finds just 33% of americans approve of his performance. that's the lowest rating so far in his presidency. with the country so dissatisfied and our politics so split, can bipartisanship actually make a comeback? i am joined booed a bipartisan

panel, adrian elrod for hillary clinton for america and rick tyler. before we start, i want to get your reaction of what governor jerry brown said this morning on "meet the press." let's watch that. >> you'd have to say the leadership has not been clever enough or strong enough or perhaps visionary enough. >> all right. do you agree? >> well, look, i do think that it's important for democrats to have a broader vision going forward where rebuilding the party, that's something that we've been working on since the presidential election, but look, democrats are united like never before because of the resistance. chuck schumer just unveileded a really smart economic policy agenda to not just get more americans back to work, but raise wages. we're doing a good job, and we have a lot of work to do in front of us.

>> in the spirit of pointing fingers at ourselves, i want to listen to what jeff lake said this morning. >> one particularly ugly hings that are ries goes out or demonstrably false, we have to stand up and say that's just not right. >> so what do you think about the senator's criticism of his own party? >> think he's exact look right. jeff has been talking about this for a long time, but it's about time that more people recognize that we can't be delving into these conspiracy theories and bashing other people and calling the other side clowns and so i think he's right. i think we need to have a grown-up, conservative intellectualism if we want to govern and lead and have real ideas and not be based on personalities. >> we had these two maps which reflect the congressional election in 1998 compared to 2016. i'd love to put those up, if we can. adrian, take a look at these. has this become too much of a ideological fight for democrats?

>> well, you know, the thing that i as a concerned democrat, and i want to see my party progress going forward, we've got to do something to really reconnect with middle america and white, working-class voters. i worked for the campaign committee during the 2005-2006 cycle when democrats took back the house and part of what we did we recruited smart candidates that fit the profile of their district. that oftentimes -- those oftentimes were candidates who were pro-life or more conservative than, you know, democrats running on the east coast or the west coast, but that's so important, smart recruitment is so important to getting more democrats re-elected and once we actually are in a position where we can take back the house and i think we're working toward that direction, we can actually really effect policy and stop some of these divisive pieces of legislation that donald trump and the republicans are trying to get through. >> so we're talking here about tailoring candidates to particular districts, but, rick,

let's talk about on a national level, what do you lose or gain in the republican party and then we'll ask about the democratic party from moving to the center at a time like this? >> reagan always got things done by getting as much as he could get from the other side without compromising his principles. he always said take 80% of what we can, and i think that's the right approach and i think both democrats and republicans agree on this, is that we need to get some things done. on healthcare as you were mentioning and talking about all day, we can get things done with the democrats, but we're not going to get comprehensive reform and repeal and replace on obamacare and i don't think there's any interest in that. there are groups that are working to change some things about obamacare so that you can relief the premium increases on the population of americans who are paying way too much for the coverage that they're getting. >> adrian, you can't move a presidential candidate to, i guess, work for every congressional district in the

country. you've got to pick left or center. what do you do at a time like this? >> well, look, again, anybody who can predict who exactly should be running to take on donald trump in 2020 is barking up the wrong tree. there's no way that we know right now as democrats or as a country in general who the right person is to take him on. we've got to find -- democrats have got to find candidates who can connect across -- not just across geographical line, but across party lines as well. going forward we have to find candidates who areaible to communicate effectively and not just to west coast or east coast democrats, but to people in the middle of the country who are feeling left behind by donald trump who are open to returning back to the democratic party, but we've got to find the right messengers to communicate with them. >> adrian elrod, thank you for

joining us. >> that does it for us. i'm jacob soborov. thomas roberts joins us. ferguson, three years later. what's changed since michael brown's death. that's coming up next on msnbc.

hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts at msnbc world headquarters in new york. presidential ambitions. the story that's making mike pence out to be laying ground work in 2021 has the vice president fighting back that story. tonight acting like a kid and caught with his hands in the cookie jar because he clearly knows this won't sit well with his boss and his twitchy twitter fingers. we have pence saying no. that's not happening. then we have the economic shots that were fired and the trump administration with a foreign policy victory, getting russia and china to go along with major sanctions against north korea, but how will the rogue regime react? next ur