, it's this john smith. who we paired with a humana team member to help address his own specific health needs. at humana, we take a personal approach to your health, to provide care that's just as unique as you are. no matter what your name is. good afternoon. we want to continue the break ing news out of virginia. multiple people are injured. this man hunt now on for the driver behind this. and there is reportedly one person deceased according to the mayor of charlottesville. we're working to independently verify that here at nbc news, but it happened after a car rammed through a crowd of counterprotesters at a white nationalist rally in charlottesville. we have the video of this. we want to warn you, it is graphic. but a silver two door charger

with tinted windows plows through the stream of counterprotesters on foot causing multiple injuries in a chain reaction of hitting other cars. people are scream, panicking this this chaos. the car reverses and gets away from the bloody scene, injurying more as it escapes. police are on the scene a. multiple injuries reported. some more severe than others. again, the mayor tweeted rl earlier about a death. we are now able to confirm there is one death involved in what happened, that accident scene there with the car ramming into protesters. officials are investigating exactly the intention of the driver of that vehicle. the vehicle did flee. we are working on information about the driver of that car. there are people on site who said that the vehicle did not have license plates on it. obviously criminal charges would apply in this matter. this is most recent development and potentially deadly

development in a series of violent crashes that broke out. now, sticks were used as weapons. bottles were flying back and forth. armed militia men showed up defending the white nationalists. virginia is an open carry state. president trump just responded from new jersey with this. >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this display of hate, bigotry and violence on many sides. it's been going on for a long time in our country. not donald trump, not barack obama. it's been going on for a long, long time. there's no place in america what is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent li s lives. no citizen should ever fear for their safety. and security.

in our society. no matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are all americans first. >> joining me now is is nbc's maya rodriguez who was on the scene and has been there during the day. this was obviously the most dramat dramatic. now, we know deadly, but explain what you heard from witnesses. >> right, so, witnesses out here say there were a large number of counterprotesters. people protesting against the unite the right rally taking place at a park a few blocks away. they somehow migrated down here because as you know, police cleared out that rally before the start time even happened. which would b have been noon. the group was out here. at some point, a vehicle did plow into the crowd. we have a statement from the university of virginia hospital. basically saying there were 19

injuries and one fatality. so confirming what the mayor of shafrlcharlottesville already s a tweet that someone had lost their life in this incident. as you can see behind me, this is still an active crime scene. police are here, tape is up. there are investigators going through several vehicles because there were several vehicles involved in this accident. they've been kind of going around the scene, checking inside the vehicles, trying to figure out which vehicles b might have been innocent bystanders, victim, if you will, in this entire incident, now, when we got out here, people were saying they were shocked at what they saw. they saw the car plow into the crowd, reverse back out and run over more people. these people were in shock. there had been violence at the ratlll clashes had broken out. water bottles being thrown, but nothing to this level, which es

escalated throughout the day. >> what have we heard from police about the investigation into this charger? it is a gray charger. i understand that there were eyewitnesses saying that it did not have license plates. tinted windows on this vehicle. have they said anything more about the man hunt? >> you know, police have remained pretty tight lipped here on the scene. in fact, they worked hard to clear everybody out from this scene. we were brought back to this area. originally, we were able to walk up pretty much to the corner. that's not the case anymore. they have put up barricades and police tape. clearly, a sign this investigation is just beginning and they don't want anyone over there either interfere iing or around that particular area. but they have remained very tight lipped about what happened here. >> all right, maya rodriguez on the scene for us. keep us posted if you get new information about the upday dates on those that have survived and new information on who this driver could be. thank you. i want to bring in jim cavanaugh

now, nbc analyst, law enforcement expert. know, this was captured on tape, there were protesters on foot. many recording that scene then more people broke out their phones in action as it happened. but i know virginia is a capital punishment state and an act of terrorism would be considered one of those aggrevating factors that would achieve a person getting a sentence like this. is is this the that type of case? >> it looks like a murder case, thomas, you're right. i just watched some video from the "huffington post" that posted from a different angle. just what you're describing. all the citizens with their video cell phones out. and it shows the charger coming back down the hill from the rear and you can clearly see it if you stop the video on that one i'm sure you guys will have it up shortly, but about three seconds in, there you go. if you stop it, you can see how

far back the driver sees it's just a street with pedestrians. and if you slow it down, which i did to watch it, the pedestrians are all reacting so much to this vehicle, some even try to throw stuff at it, so they realize it's speeding into the crowd. of course, the other video you showed shows the pedestrians flown in the air. the car backs out. has a lot of damage. bumpers are hanging off the front as the video rolls through. they film it backing all the way up. t bumpers dragging. it's hard to see, doesn't look like there's a rear tag on it. i couldn't see a front tag on it and the windows were tinted, be but you know, it looks like a deliberate and now, as you've reported, cold-blooded murder. so, the question is does the state troopers or charlottesville pd, do they have this kriiller in custody becaus with all these injuries and one death, where is he? >> the incident commander for the police force there captain

mitchell, had said a couple of days ago via their local newspaper, they were prepped for all scenarios. when it came to what was going to take place this weekend. knowing that this event was going to take place, knowing there would be those countervoices out there enforced as well. is this a failure in terms of police enforcement for being able to protect people that wanted to be out both sides though in terms of freedom of speech because the violence broke out. why wasn't there more effort to get control of this situation? >> well, they had a lot of officers there. unless they disperse the crowd, they don't have control of every citizen. they have a lot of officers around. in fact, there was officers who witnessed this vehicle striking pedestrians, so short of blocking off every street in the city with cement barriers, which

i don't think would have been practical, the police were there. what's underestimated by some citizens is how violent these neonazis are. i worked my whole career chasing these guys. they can be very violent, very deadly. shoot people, kill people. maybe today ran over somebody. i mean, there's a lot of, a lot of violence in these guys and people maybe don't see it. they see the hate, but there's a lot of violence behind that hate. and when their plans were sort of disrupted, you know, by the police, by making everybody b disperse, the plans might have changed, these guys could get unbelievable energy from that torch light ceremony last night that mimics nazi germany in the '30s. they would get unbelievable energy from that. if you're around these guys and know what they're like. it affects them deeply because they're so radical and ek treem. so there's a lot of bad power in charlottesville right now and sit senns got to work with

police to understand that. >> in reaction to the president's statement, david duke, who had given remarks prior to this accident happening, talking this is about taking america back. but he says i would recommend you take a good look in the mirror and remember it was white americans who put you in the presidency. not radical leftists. the statement from the president, jim, in terms of your opinion from the law enforcement community, was the president effective, forceful enough in light of the circumstances? >> it's pretty vanilla. i think it's weak. i don't think he's standing up strong against these people. he needs to stand up stronger and condemn this more. he's got people close to him that are sympathizers that have you know, been involved with these people. you can't have that in the white house. that's why these people are empowered. and they feel they have a friend in trump. look, here's the ku klux klan notorious leader calling out the president.

we supported you and you know it. he's got to take more bigger steps. he needs to meet with civil rights leaders and the leaders in congress that know what they're doing, hatch's statement today. there's great leaders in congress. he should sit down with them and get a plan to really put a stop this this because if his is what he's saying today, he's got to change his messaging and change what he's doing because these guys are em bolden by the president. we've never seen a torch light rally like this. in all the years we chase these guys for their crime, not in a city like this, a torch light parade at night, hundreds of them on a university campus. thomas, that is reminiscent of how strong these groups, the klan and neonazis were in the '60s. when i first started, they were wearing the full uniform, the george lincoln rockwell crowd.

it's changed. put a lot of enforcement on them because of their violence, but they're back now. they're strong and they got, they're having rallies and meetings an trying to clean up their act and change their name to alt rig, but it's all the same ilk. it's ko ales to that today. it's really sad for america. >> just because it's a tiki torch from bed, bath and beyond doesn't mean it's just as insind yar in terms of what it represents. also, gorka wearing that type of nazi pin and the rest of the dog whistle flurry iing that happen from this administration that even though president has disavowed david duke, it doesn't seem to stick. jim, i'm going to ask you to stay with me here. i want to bring in "new york times" national reporter, and the president has disajou vowed duke after the interview on cnn where he did not do enough to

distance himself of that endorsement, has had to do that consistently ever since, but it's as if all of these people don't believe it. i think it comes to give lincoln a nod. i believe it comes with a wink and a nod. this is a president whose career began with pushing out the idea that the president of the united states at the time, barack obama, was not born in this country and was pushing out birther conspiracies, then he today did not utter even the words kkk or white nationalists, so i've talked to plenty of people including some white nationalists who tell me they see themselves in president trump and understand he can't overtly say i support white nationalism, kind of this the idea of founding stock of america being white people, but you understand that i'm in your corner. those are the people that i've talked to personally who told me they see that this president as pushing an agenda.

it benefits the plans of white nationalists, everything from targeting affirmative action in colleges, to this idea and this rhetoric of law and order. so while president trump might not believe those things, while he might not himself be a racist, and might not be a white nationalist, he people want him to really utter those words and say i'm not okay with this and the fact he disavowed david duke came only after people pushed him to really say something that was more stronger than what he was saying before, so even with that, dooifd duke was saying they kind of pushed him into saying he doesn't like me, but we know we have the same agenda. >> when it comes to thinking about leadership, when we think b b about what we've bwitnessed and covereded over the years and know the types of police presence or military forces that can show up at things, with terry mccull la and others in

virginia, are they going to look back and think that the charlottesville police department did not do enough in terms of insulation on the front end to make sure something like this, you can't flush out all scenarios, this is a deadly one, but they could have done more. >> i'm sure that the police there are wondering how they could have protected those protesters because they knew this was going to be a volatile crowd. those -- if you're at a health care or abortion rights rally. but that was a kkk white nationalist gathering, so if you understand what that means, you understand what the counterprotesters are up against, you know that that's going to be a place where police presence is going to have to be to keep people safe. now, b of course, i don't think police could have imagined that someone would have been plowing a car through, but reporting in

ferguson, where they overpoliced, police officers around the country had the look at that situation and say how can we do better. so i don't think that just the police in virginia are going to be looking at this. i think police in ferguson, police in baltimore, in washington and other places are going to say how can we do these things better. >> when i was this baltimore reporting with the militarized vehicles rolling in, the gas going off, the lines, brigades of police enforcement, not only for maryland, we're also shipped in from pennsylvania and surrounding states. to actually help with nighttime enforcement there, but when we think about this happening in broad daylight, this went down in the middle of the day in virginia, i think that's what's ooem even more startle ling. certainly from eyewitnesses. i want to hear about this. take a listen. >> this was a terrorist attack. it's what happens in france when

people get plowed into automobiles intentionally. this is a terrorist attack. for the white nationalist cause on american soil. >> i think maya rodriguez interviewed that gentleman earlier and he explained the white substance on him. being caught in the middle of all this. mike, if you can confirm, it was maya who talked to him about what was on him. yes. but -- a terrorist attack. we know that virginia is you know, they have the death penalty in that state and this might exactly fall under the definition for these aggregating, aggrevating factors for it. with the president having spoken just a short time ago, do you think that they are going to have to return to the podium in

bedminister to deal with in a more straight fforward fashion d not in a glib way where there's this moment with the president going over to shake hands of any moment of levity. this is not a time for levity. >> i think of this as a communications department and a general kelly has been empowered to change the way that this white house communicates with the american people, that they're going to have another moment at the podium where the president says more about what he thinks about this incident, about what he thinks this is domestic terrorism. as someone who has covered race and studied race in college, i wrote papers about the fact that lynching in the south was dm domestic terrorism. we in america don't really think of thing that is happened to us, americans against americans as terrorism, but thout our history in this country, african-americans have been terrorized. other racial groups were terrorized. when you had people going into people's homes, dragging them out, a 14-year-old boy in

mississippi named em it till, being dragged out of his bed and getting killed, that was terrorism, so i think americans need to understand what we're witnessing here, it's okay to call it terrorism. >> thank you very much. stay with with us. we're going to continue with our kovrnl here, but if you're just joining us, our breaking news coverage continues as we've been following now from charlot charlottesville with one killed and 19 others injured after a car plowed throw a street of protesters on foot. these were counterprotesters showing up they were there in reaction to a white nationalist group that had shown up. the group was trying to protest what was approved to be the removal of the robert e. lee statue from emancipation park. this was something decided earlier in the year by a 3-2 vote on the charlottesville city council to have that statue removed. we've seen images all afternoon long of the violence that took place with police, the

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we condemn in the strongest possible terms this display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. >> there we have the president talking about the tragedy we have in charlottesville, virginia today. one person has lost their life after the steaccident that happd today, not accident, but the intentional ramming o f a

vehicle into a stream of counterprotesters. this happened in charlottesville after white nationalists were scheduled to have a rally in the emancipation park, they were protests over the pookt pfact t statue of robert e. lee would be removed after it was voted of that statue remooved. we watched a lot of dichbt vie lentz scenes today with these plo testers mingling anding in some very violent fight, police were on scene. clergy were on scene and had to be escorted away. the most heartbreaking video was of what we saw earlier, of this gray charger racing down a street into a stream of counterprotesters on foot. literally bodies flying from the air until it rammed into the back of another vehicle and caused a chain reaction accident. that charger then reversed out of the scene, injurying more people to flee the scene. we're waiting to confirm more

details about who that driver was, if police had been able to apprehend that person and that man hunt continues at that moment, so we want to keep you up to speed on that. joining me here onset is congressman from arizona, member of the armed services committee and sir, just your reaction, we know one person has lost their life. i believe it's almost 20 other patients have been admitted to the hospital. 19 injuries. the confirmation of the one fatality. why would this happen? why would these groups turn to this level of violence? >> the quote unquote alt right, a nice term for nazis, has been growing to point of this situation. they myth liz or mbase clis brig up what society call losers in general as fighters as these

iconic book hieroes. you see this in portland, other altercations. they have funding pages where they collect money from all across the country to be able to go to these kips of events, but at the end of the day, the most important thing to understand, this is terrorism. an act of terrorism conducted by the alt right and by nazis. the department of justice of fbi should be investigating all agencies involved in this quote unquote rally, but we need to be investigating them to the fullest extent because there are conspiracies occurring all the time. this type of violence is not coincidental. it is planned. i trained for many years in the marines. we did a lot of riot control training. it's very difficult situation to handle. but clearly, a lot of the prothe testers, especially the nazis that showed up, were really to fight rk fight, knowing the police would be there with riot control gear. whoever helped this person

should also be thrown in jail. whoever helped probably this person who most likely is unemployed, a loser, on the edges of society, get their money to actually go to this protest should be prosecuted. we need to make an example of these types of terrorists because they're only going to continue to grow. >> when we think b about how the president reacted to this in his remarks earlier and i just want to make sure that i have his exact statement correctly, he talked about employment and unemployment, but in reference to this attack, he said we condemn in strong e terms on my side, it's been going on for a long time in our country. not donald trump, not barack obama. this has been going on for a long, long time, it has no place in america. what is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. did the president come out with the type of lighthouse leadership that a country needs at a time like this where we are

witnessing american on american violence over very deep old wounds. >> you saw what the total opposite of leadership it needed at this point. what he should have been clear b about was he stands against white nationalism, rejects their support. he should fire people like gorka, who is a known nazi at least this europe and he should call for investigation of these groups as well as the nazis involved through the department of justice. that's a good example. >> you made a statement the other day where you said the president is an absolute racest, in direct reference to the fact he has not come out with any type of condemnation for the attack of a mosque that happened just last week. >> not just that. it's a history of statements and actions. this is the man that started a helped accelerate a conspiracy theory against the first black president of the united states.

this is a man who said that a mexican american judge could not be impartial because he is mexican american and always seems to he hsitate when it com to white nationalists terrorists on other americans or other people of color. but seems never to hesitate in terms of when it comes from the opposite end. attacks a white person or church or anything of that nature. look how quickly he acted on the lonened attacks. within minutes. >> even mayor. . >> he finds a way to hold back. that tells me a lot about what the character of this person is. zpl but if the president won, won the electoral college, won this white house, are you missing the ball on what sentiment around this country feel and are imbolden by in a

reputation of the trump white house! it does not represent the population of the united states. hillary clinton won that by almost 3 million votes. >> that and you know, buck's going to get you a cup of coffee somewhere cheap. won the white house and their tactic won. and doesn't that concern you that there is a part of this country that feels that they have somebody that has their back that will allow something like this to take place. >> absolutely. this is why it's important that leaders or so-called leaders like president trump come up and say that no u, you are imboldened, we are not ak cementing your racism and big bigotry and the american people do not think this way. even the majority of donald trump voters do not think this way. the it is a small sector of largely men that are largely unemployed, probably living in their parent's basement that are finding way to socialize and feel like they're important. in the end, they're the judges of american society and once the

page turns, they're going to go back to being obscure and lost and forgotten. congressman from arizona. thank you, sir, for being here. we're going to continue our coverage. the events that have unfolded in charlottesville, virginia today. the tragic and deadly events and i want you to join joy reid for a special report tonight. that's at 7:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. we're back in a moment.

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actually injuring more people trying to escape. maya roadway is back with us ton scene there in charlottesville and do we have new information on the man hunt? >> the associated press is reporting that a state official told them they have the driver in custody. this is not something we have been able the independently c confirm by nbc news. i can tell you of course that this is the scene where one person dieded injured according to the university of virginia hospital putting out those numbers. there were another 15 injuries today related to the rally that led to this entire situation. that rally started earlier this morning as you know, at emancipation park, that's where the robert e. lee statue is. it was known as robert nechlt lee park and it was the epicenter of this entire day. that is where the unite the right rally decided to make their stand, they had a rally there basically opposing the

removal of the confederate monuments from public spaces. there has been discussion in charlottesville ant removing that statue. of course, that rally was broken up after some clashes happened at the intersection near that park. all of the protesters went their own way for a few hours then about two hours after that, came word that a car plowed into a crowd of counterprotesters here this this area. those counterprotesters were against the rally. the unite the right rally. when we came out here, we saw people who were in shock, people who were crying, people who were hugging one another. they could not believe what had transpired out here and all three kaurs involved, the one that did do the ram ramming into the crowd and hit two other vehicles, you can see those two behind me. we have police out here just starting this investigation. they've been going through the this area with a fine comb.

thomas? . >> the governor of the state had put out a statement earlier. we have it now, the toernlg for virginia. saying the violence, chaos and apparent loss of life in charlottesville is not the fault of many sides. that's in quotes as attribution to the president's statement. it is racist and white s supremaci supremacist. it's coming from tattorney general from virginia. from your reporting and being on the streets today, do we have any hard figures on anyone that was arrested or taken into custody for any of the violent behavior we saw prior to this accident? >> prior to this accident, believe it or not, despite everything that had happened, there was only one reported arrest. which seems hard to believe considering everything going on at the park. i mean, people throwing bottles at one another, people vandal idahoi i

izing a pink police car covered in some pink goo at this point. but only one arrest was reported up until this happened. >> how would you characterize the visible strength of police on the scene today? >> well, i can tell you that virginia state police, charlottesville police, were out at the scene of the park where the rally was going on. but as those two side were confronting one another, they did not step in right away to sort of break them apart. there were about 20 to 30 feet a apart throwing projectiles at each other, screaming and yelling. bull didn't jump in right away, now, at some point, it got dangerous there. we were told to pull back. in fact, we had some tear gas smoke canisters coming our way. projectiles being thrown towards so we had the to pull back behind a building. by the time we reamerged 30 minutes later, the entire area had been cleared out and state police were there if full force.

we saw both sides. they sort of held back then went forward, cleared out the entire park area and by the way, they did the same here. b obviously, there were a lot of counterprotesters here right after this incident happened. where that car plowed into the crowd. but they did clear out the scene. again, because they are working and you can see that we have more state police arriving here as we speak. >> all right. maya rodriguez on the scene. keep us up to speed again. i know we are working diligently to confirm what the ap has put out about a person in custody, a in custody in relation to that accident that happened today in the 2:00 hour there. thank you. back with ♪ ♪

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welcome back. we continue to follow what took place today in virginia and i think it would be proper to characterize the tragedy as an act of terrorism. and there are 19 others injured.

one death as i said because of a car ramming into a stream of protesters on foot. they were counterprotesters. who were there to have their voices heard over that of white nationalists, who were protesting the fact that a statue of robert e. lee was voted by the city council to be removed from emancipation park there. violent day in charlottesville. clashes as you're witnessing right here, captured on camera. all day between these two factions with police according to our maya rodriguez, only an lending one person, taking them into custody, but it was just over two and a half hours ago when we first realized what had happened on a side street in charlottesville. a gray charger speeding down a street into a stream of people on foot. and not stopping. hitting people along the way and sending bodies flying through the air. that car then reversed and sped away, injurying more people.

we do have information about what the man hunt has consisted of. we have not verified it, but the ap reported they have a suspect of interest in custody. we are working to independently verify that. eyewitnesses on the scene we're talking about the vehicle, describing as a gray dodge caller, say iing that the windo were tinted. didn't have visible license plates on the front of that vehicle. but the hospital where those injured were taken confirms that 19 people are being treated. they have one person who was killed. the most severe were taken to the hospital, some had to be triaged on the scene, but it's a city that remains in shock after witnessing the horrible imannals th we watched today and police had an liincident plan in place. they had gamed it out thinking

there could be something like this, but i don't think anybody would have thought it would have gotten this tragic with a death on their hands and we wait for an update from the hospital about the others injured. joining me now is the director at the study for hate and extremism at california university. it's awful when we have to get together b and talk about incidents like this in real time, but when it comes to why white nationalists feel they have to represent themselves the way that they are, what is the root of it? >> well, there are many. first, we have polarization and distrust in government and the institutions that have held us together. plumeted from 77% in '64 to under 20% today. we also see racial divisions at its lowest according to a variety of polls, that we've seen in 25 years. but more than that, we have fear of change and what has happened is we now have the ko ales ens of a soes owe political force

which has people that have retransmitted messages into the mainstream and some of these folks, gorka, simon and bannon are in the white house. that's why it is so disappointing that the president did not take this opportunity today to condemn euro nationalism, this white nationalism, not just here in america, but in europe as well. indeed, greek bigots tweeted their support for this rally today. and i think what we're seeing is this is the biggest rally of white nationalists and others including neonazis and clansmen we've seen in decades. we look at things like back in '64 where crosses were lit in mississippi. two people killed. greensboro massacre in '79. five people were killed. this is now historic marker for

this group, which is so imboldened that people like david duke who were there are tweeting to the president saying we put you in office. it's important for him to o condemn this white nationalism root and branch. >> i would recommend you take a good look in the mirror and remember it was white americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists. that from david duke. we know the president had the to disavow any type of endorsement from david duke early in the primaries and into the general election of itself. david duke on scene today was saying that they you know, thanked president trump, that he is helping them realize their agenda. but when we see what's going on with this, brian, and you said that there's fear of change, this was over a statue of robert e. lee being taken down. the city council voted to have

that statue remooued. what is changing? we are beyond a country that would celebrate slavery. why would white national iss wt do these groups feel like they're lieuing? >> look at what they've done. there was some nazi symbol ji and confederate, but a lot of this is shrouded to those loose ch cherries of fearful disenfran whites who out of everybody in europe and north america are the one with aascending mortality rate and they're playing on the fears of these people to expand their base, but to be sure, they're using nazi terms. blood and soil. something from the third right. this is a terrible day for america. and my hearts go out to those injured and the family of that person killed. but what we have here is basically a confederate homecoming for white nationalism

who have now coalessed into a vibrant social movement beyond just merely one clan group here and there. what we saw was a convergence of the white nationalists alt right and it's time for leadership to matter. words matter. we did a study showed that after president trump made his muslim ban proposal, in the five days after that, we saw an 87.5 increase in hate crime. >> because of what this group was representing, the white nationalist group, there's a fine line between free speech and hate speech and how things can be deleanuated and separated and vilified, but how do we try to balance that fine line in what was going on today in charlottesville between what is the right of free speech and what would be considered hate

speech? >> hate speech, even under our institution, is constitutionally protected and while i abhor the message of these bigot, they have the right to peaceably a constitutional right to asemble but in california we've seep 24 violent confrontations since december 2015 and the largest white nationalist gatherings have taken place just in the last two years. we have to go back decades to see gatherings of this size. so the bottom line is, while they have free speech, we have free speech to condemn their hate speech. and we have to do it from the bully pulpit. president trump has to do more. the republican party of john mccain and bob dole, the wonderful people who have done things for our country, would not have allowed this. and indeed, the alt right said as part of their movement, they

had two goals, one, white nationalism and disrupt the obstacles put in their way. they appear to have been runned down, if you will. and don't mean to use that in a -- >> in light of today's tragedy. >> in light of today's tragedy. but we've seen these mechanisms which prevented these hardened bigots from entering mainstream politics have come down and we've even seen people like gorka and miller and bannon enter the white house. this is abhorrent to the conservative ideology to folks like john mccain who spoke so eloquently in his concession speech and we need leadership, and the bully pulpit matters and to have the sustained stereotypes that enter the policy debate when we talk about immigration and criminal justice embolden -- >> brian, i want to say real

fast, as you dedicate yourself to the study of hate and extremism and while we need strong leadership, i mean, bottom line, as americans, the rest of us are complicit, if we don't do something. if we don't take a stand or allow this to happen. because white nationalists who want to take up the -- this type of mantra of all white people, they don't represent all white people just like certain minority groups don't represent all minority groups in a broad brush. >> absolutely. and with regard to anti-semitic incidents which went up last year aand in our own research for 2016, we saw mostest cities that we look at either had a increase or multi-year highs even though they are off the previous highs of 2001 and our research shows that in half a dozen cities that we looked at increases significantly in major

cities throughout the united states. so we have to approach this at the community level. you are absolutely right. but it starts from the bully pulpit, from the top down. what do they say -- the fish rots from the head first. we have to have our president condemn white supremacy and while nationalism and root and branch and he has not done it. he is too tepid. >> scaramucci brought back the phrase we've become familiar with over the last 20 days or so. >> unfortunately, thank you. >> brian levin, thank you. our coverage will continue dedicated to the events in charlottesville today. a special edition of joy reid tonight, a report of hate and violence in virginia at 7:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc.

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