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>> welcome to "politics nation." the nation's racial past and future continue to collide in the trump era. as a cross-section of racist hate groups descended on the city of charlottesville, virginia, this week to protest the removal of a statue of confederate general robert e. lee. according to organizers and civil rights organizations, saturday's, quote, unite the right rally was among the largest of its kind in american history, drawing a full spectrum of white supremacist ideologues. the rally prompted a historic response from the state as it deployed its largest mobilization of state police in nearly three decades to keep peace between racist and the multiracial alliance of clergy and social justice groups that protested the rally's message.

despite law enforcement's presence, violence was a constant over the two-day period, culminating in this horrific scene in which a car plowed through a group of protesters, killing one and injuring dozens more. joining me from charlottesville is nbc's tom costello. tom, give us the latest. >> reporter: so we have a lot to tell you about. let's begin with the scene at this moment. it was quiet overnight in charlottesville. police telling me they had no disturbances, and that call from the governor for the white supremacists and the nazis to leave town, we're not sure if they heeded that call or dispersed and fled on their own. but there are -- is no sign of them this morning. there is a very heavy police presence. i am at right now emancipation park, renamed recently, because that is the statue of confederate general robert e. lee, and what had been lee park. and that is or that was, rather, the epicenter for these

neo-nazis and white supremacists to come here and gather and began, as you saw, this protest that really created a very tense environment and ultimately became a very violent situation. by the way, you're hearing the whine, the roar of the street cleaners, because they're coming by right now, and they're cleaning up all of the bottles and the paint and a complete mess in downtown charlottesville. but they're well on their way to that. you mentioned this tragedy involving an individual who was killed when a vehicle came slamming into that row or that crowd of counterprotesters. we have had an arrest as you know in that 20-year-old alex fields of just outside of ohio, has been arrested. he is charged with second degree murder, three counts of malicious wounding, one count of hit and run, and it appears that he was, in fact, intentionally, according to the police chief, intentionally aiming his car to mow down people in that crowd. three more people were arrested, as well, charged with disorderly

conduct, misdemeanor assault and battery and carrying concealed weapons during the protests yesterday. also, tragically, two state troopers were killed yesterday when their helicopter that was involved in overseeing or watching this protest, that chopper went down several miles away from here. with he do not believe that it was hit by fire or anything of that nature. but these two state troopers were killed. their names are lieutenant jay cullen and pilot berke bates. university of virginia hospital center is telling us that because of the conflict and because of, as you saw, that horrific scene with the car mowing people down, they've got five people in critical, four serious, six fair, and four in good condition. department of justice has now opened a civil rights investigation. the attorney general, jeff sessions, said late yesterday, the violence and deaths in charlottesville strike at the heart of american law and justice. the fbi civil rights division

and the u.s. attorney for western virginia, of course, are very much leading that investigation. the civil rights investigation here. i've got tell you, i think what is really striking here is that we had a crowd of 1,500 or so, maybe more, self-described neo-nazis, kkk members, promising to, quote, take back america. or take america back. some of them really expressing just vile, racist rhetoric and anti semitic rhetoric. i specifically heard one of them on a "washington post" interview talking about getting rid of the jews. in addition to that, they were in some cases wearing what appear to be this militia-type apparel. they had weapons and they had shields in many cases. by the way, this is an open carry state. we should stress that. the city council giving the police here complete authorization to essentially put down or stop any protest, any unlawful protest, and also declare a curfew. and i would just take one last

note here, rev. and that is at david duke, the former kkk grand wizard who said, "we are going to take our country back. we are going to fulfill the promises of donald trump." we should stress that these people are not necessarily donald trump's core supporters. but many of them do support donald trump, and we saw many of them wearing donald trump or "take america back" hats and slogans and that kind of thing. reverend, back to you. >> tom costello in charlottesville, virginia. thank you for your reporting. now even more important than ever, on august 28th, just two weeks away, i'll be marching in washington, d.c., with several other ministers in a march for justice. marking the 54th anniversary of dr. king's "i have a dream" speech, and taking the trump administration to task for endangering that dream. to register, visit

nationalactionnetwork.net. sign up and stand up. joining me now is the reverend charles williams, the senior pastor of detroit's historic king solomon baptist church, and the reverend vivian nixon, executive director of college and community fellowship. revere reverend williams, last week we had a rabbi of the reformed jewish -- who heads religious action for reformed judaism, who is one of the leaders of this thousand ministers march with myself and you and others. and it seems, as i said, more than ever, i moved this up in the show, because i think the way you answer the bigotry, the racism and anti-semitism of yesterday is showing black and jewish and other faith leaders together, nonviolently, going to

washington, saying, wait a minute, we are going to uphold what doctor king and the rabbi and others stood for. i mean, we are -- announced this weeks ago. rabbi was on last week. rabbis and ministers and priests and all organizers. but i think in light of yesterday, it brought back to min mind to me, you put a clean glass next to a dirty glass and show what we really ought to be about now. >> you know, you are absolutely right, reverend. thank you certainly for having me. look, over 50 years ago, we saw bloody sunday. a bloody sunday in selma, where afterwards dr. king called thousands of ministers and hundreds of people of faith to come together and join in selma, as they march down that he hedm pettis bridge. and in that march, they brought a brigade of hope, not a brigade of hate.

so i think it's time for us to begin to organize in ourselves -- organize ourselves in such a way where we are that same brigade of hope. not a brigade of hate that we saw in virginia yesterday. >> you know, reverend, i've got to say, reverend nixon, as we look at this, and we are talking about dealing not only with blacks and jews and catholics and muslims and -- and other faiths, but we must also, unlike many years ago, make sure women, make sure the lgbtq community and clergy involved. but i must say that disappointment would be a mild way of saying to how the president responded. the president seemed to try to say that there was bigotry and hate and all, on all sides. rather than directly deal with

the fact that people armed with helmets, armed with instruments went in with the defined purpose of expressing racist, anti semitic slogans. that's what they marched for the night before with torches. and to defend a confederate general statue, who wanted to overthrow the government that he's the president of. he's not addressed that at all, reverend nixon. >> well, that's absolutely true. but i think, first of all, i doubt that our president is a history buff. so he might not even know who general lee is. but i think that the vitriol and the hatred expressed by those groups deserves the same attention as the rhetoric the president has been aiming at, north korea. north korea has always behaved in this irrational manner. i don't think these two things are disconnected.

i think that the trump administration believes that by creating chaos, they will get to their end result. i'm not sure that this is separated from the fear that was instilled in people yesterday during that march. it is a strategy to instill fear in the people. and when you speak in these violent terms as a state against another state the way mr. trump is speaking against north korea, you're also instilling fear in your own people. and then on top of it, you have this white supremacist movement coming to the front. no more in hiding, as they have been for the last 30 or so years. but coming to the front. i think their strategy here is to install fear in people in order to control them. not to -- >> listen to what the president said yesterday. >> we condemn in the strongest

possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. on many sides. it's been going on for a long time in our country. not donald trump. not barack obama. this has been going on for a long, long time. >> many sides, reverend williams. i mean, i think that you have the responsibility, and i'm not talking about some off-handed statements. i'm talking about you're dealing with a direct called gathering, based on we're going to come out and deal with white culture, white supremacy, calling ourselves, saving white culture. and in many ways, you, me, reverend nixon here, all of us, have had to stand up, even when it wasn't popular in our community. you remember in ferguson, when i said, yes, we're here at the first rallies, but we condemn violence. and some people got angry.

leadership is when you stand up to extremes, even if it's not popular. he will not do it. he did not do it. he has dog whistled all the way from bertha. but you would think with a young woman dead, people injured, some still on critical, that the president of the united states would rise to this occasion and call the wicked out and call them for what they are. and that is white supremacists and anti-semites. >> you know, reverend sharpton, he has not done that, as you said, from the time of his campaign on birtherism. i mean, he has basically spent the last few years in conversation with his campaign audiences, beat them up. that's right, get rid of them. you know what we would do in the old days. i mean, this is conversation. the conversation he had with the police association when he brought up the paddy wagons.

i mean, this is conversation reminiscent of the '60s, reminiscent of precivil rights movement time. and now we are seeing a growing movement who is taking on, by the way, take back america, his slogan. "make america great again." >> and reverend nixon, i think we've got to lead by example. one of the proud things i'm glad we do at msnbc, joe scarborough and i disagreed politically, but have bonded and showed a real friendship that you can disagree on some things without being disagreeable. but this despicable behavior that we are seeing yesterday met by the silence on the avoidance by the president only worsens america. that's not the america that we have fought so hard to become. >> there are some basic american values we should all agree on, no matter what side of the political aisle we are on. donald trump has been dog whistling for much more than eight years. it started when he took out a full-page ad against the central park five.

>> thank you both. thank you reverend charles williams and the reverend vivian nixon. we're going to keep moving toward august 28th to show america what race should be about. coming up, out of coverage of the state of emergency in charlottesville continues with the mayor of that city. this is "politics nation." (flourish spray noise) (flourish spray noise) (flourish spray noise) (flourish spray noise) the joy of real cream in 15 calories per serving. enough said.

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welcome back. the horror in charlottesville over the last two days put the city at the front of the nation and the world's attention. joining me now from charlottesville is mayor michael signer. thank you for being with me, mr. mayor. >> thank you, reverend. >> could you let us know exactly what the state of affairs are

this morning in your city? >> well, things have calmed down. i would say everybody is tense. the grieving is just about to start. begin with prayers to the families of pat colin and burke bates and heather higher, the civilian who lost her life in that horrific car attack. those are three people who didn't have to die yesterday and we're just starting to mourn for them and with their families and loved ones. >> we join you, certainly, in those prayers. and, i mean, we're talking about a death of a young lady. >> yeah. >> and we're talking about a -- the accident that took the troopers' lives. these people came into your city with the announced intention of really raising racist and anti-semitic kind of fervor they claim they represent the country, and to preserve the

statue of a confederate general that in itself is racism. you have announced unequivocally, called it what it is. so has the governor. are you disappointed in the president's response? >> well, let me begin by telling you about my city. charlottesville is truly one of the great cities of the world. i mean, our history includes thomas jefferson and james mattis and martin luther king jr. came here. we are diverse, we are tolerant. we are -- we have virginia's lowest unemployment. in part because companies like diverse, tolerant places, and we started about a year-and-a-half ago, consistent with our values today. we're a southern city, so we've got all the baggage a southern city has. we started a program and a project to at long last tell the full story of race in our city. and that included some things to celebrate, like we rehabilitated a historic african-american cemetery that had fallen into

disrepair. then we also started telling the truth about the decision in the 1920s at the heart of the -- height of the jim crow era to put massive statues to confederate generals in our downtown public parks. that's necessary work. it's urgent that we know the history of where we came from, that we tell the full story, but that put us -- that made us a target. for a lot of the forces that have been unleashed in this era by donald trump, the folks around him, the alt-right. and that's, i think, how we came here today. but it's not going to stop us. it's not going to intimidate us. if anything, i think it's going to redouble our work for equity and for justice and for truth. >> no, you have done all of that. and it has made your target. do you think, as the mayor of charlottesville, that now has the world's attention, that the president of the united states, donald trump, should have been more forthright and more plain-spoken in denouncing the white supremacists that came to your city and led to what led to the death of a young lady and

others injured yesterday? >> yes. and i'll tell you, i'll go further than that. i mean, al, this has to stop. you know that old saying, when you dance with the devil, the devil will change you. they made a decision on this presidential campaign to dance with, you know, the worst, most angry, most prejudicial parts of american society that had previously been in the shadows. they brought him out in the sunlight and said come on in, we'll dance with you, we'll run a whole politics around you. this i think thing -- i believe charlottesville last night that was the turning point for its legitimacy in public life, and donald trump, the president of the united states, had an opportunity yesterday to say this has to come to an end. this open bigotry, this festival of intolerance right in our public spaces, and he didn't. and that was a whiff, that was a fail. he still has an opportunity. but i think we're all going to be waiting. and if he just sits on the

sidelines, the rest of us are just going to move full steam ahead. i mean, this represents an amazing opportunity to redouble our progress toward tolerance, reconciliation, healing, bringing back some of those principles that are so crucial to democracy that got us here in the first place. civility. tolerance. pluralism, the first amend, religious toleration. he's no the going to do it, but we are. >> well, i would hope that he would. i mean, i have had my criticism of him. when you see people dying, you want to rise above that, and i hope he does what you and governor mcauliffe has done. i talked last night with reverend alvin edwards and others that are really beginning healing, and we're going to be participating with them. thank you so much, mayor signer, for being on, and for your leadership. >> thank you. joining us now is a former racist skinhead, who is now on a

crusade to stop others from doing the same. he's also the author of the book, "my life after hate." let me ask you. you, self-described former hater, former skinhead. yesterday, what you saw and what happened is a life you know and knew. explain to us that -- from behind the scenes how these kind of groups organize and build and what are they really trying to get done with this kind of mass hate that they displayed yesterday? >> good morning, reverend sharpton. thanks for having me on. it's -- i think it's really important to understand that the motivation behind the alt-right groups is to present themselves as if they speak for all white people. their other intention is to terrify people.

so as reverend nixon mentioned earlier, we have to be very aware that this cultivation of fear is our opponents' intention. and if we are aware of our opponents' intention, we're going to be better positioned to fend them off. and to divert other people from joining those groups. the white supremacist ideology, like all violent extremist ideologies, is based in a sense of oppression. and is as ridiculous as it may sound, especially to people like yourself and others who have been involved in civil rights struggles for so long, the idea of white people being oppressed is the bread and butter of the alt-right. and if we allow them to speak for all white people, and if we, as a society, especially if we as progressives allow ourselves to see the alt-right in all white people, then their objective is accomplished, and that fear and hostility is cultivated. >> now, let me ask you, what

gave you the courage to step up and step out? you've written a book that is really exposing. what changed you from this feeling of being oppressed and resentment and blaming others that has now gone into some elements of mainstream politics? the blaming others, which festers this kind of bigotry and, in my opinion, racism. >> it's important to understand that blame becomes a vicious cycle really quick. so things are going wrong in your life. rather than face your own actions and say, hey, what can i do to make myself better, it's easier to blame other people. and, of course, the more you blame other people, the less power you have to change what's going wrong in your life. so that's what's happening. that's the cycle that all of these boys running around the virginia state campus friday night and in charlottesville yesterday are going through. and knowing this from being in

their shoes, i was in that exact same cycle until i was very fortunate that people i claimed to hate, people like a jewish boss, lesbian supervisor, black and latino co-workers, treated me with kindness when i least deserved it. even as i denied their humanity and my connection to them, they were determined to provide me with an example of how human beings should treat each other. and it was because of their bravery and their forgiveness and their compassion that i was able to change the course of my life. that's something i'm grateful for every day. and it's really a central part of the message that i hope to get across, is that it's never too late for anybody to turn their life around and that we have so much to learn from each other, as well as a lot to teach. >> i certainly agree. and we've got to not even identify. i've learned that in my own growth, that even though you may not feel a certain way, you

can't even give credence to it, and you've got to denounce it. and sometimes it may even mean your friends. thank you. >> thank you. >> and again, your book, is very revealing. coming up, the deadly violence and confusion from the ground level in charlottesville. i'll speak with a reporter who was there. this is "politics nation."

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following one of the group of protesters around, and two groups met at a corner of water street and second street, and then kept marching towards fourth street. so i was behind when the car accident happened. and i kind of saw everyone split, and then people started running towards me. i saw a few people limping towards me. i heard a woman say there were bodies flying everywhere. so i ran up and i couldn't get very close. but people seemed to be kind of either in shock or crying. some people were yelling at everyone to get out of the street so the fire and rescue could pull up. it was pretty tense few moments there yesterday. >> the horror that the people that were telling you they saw bodies flying, they must have felt. what do you think could have been done, if anything, to

prevent this, avoid this? after all, it was announced they intended to come in with the largest white supremacist rally of its type. they came in with helmets. i mean, clearly, they were not talking about a nonviolent protest. was there anything that could have been done to avoid what happened in terms of the violent clashes yesterday? >> reporter: i'm not sure if there necessarily was at the point they were at. they had tried to get it moved to another park, which they -- the protesters did utilize that park. they walked over there at one point. but i'm not sure if they ever really could have cancelled it all. they did attempt to move it, like i said, but i'm not sure if cancelling the whole thing would have ever happened legally, with first amendment, which everyone was talking about a lot in all of this. i don't know if they could have

done more to keep people separate. i'm not sure if that was something -- i don't know if they actually expected a ton of people to show up. when i was at the rally in july in justice park, and the kkk was there, and they kept the groups very, very separate, but there were many less kkk there than there were protesters yesterday. and they did have an area blocked off, and i think many were in that area. with but it kind of trickled out, from what i saw. they were only steps behind me, and you can see the area over there where they had been kind of contained in. but i don't know if there was anything they could have done to really stop everything. >> well, we are so certainly praying for the family of the victim, certainly of who was killed. and of the officers, as well as the injured. thank you, allison wrable.

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welcome back. with me now, democratic congressman, dan kildee of michigan. congressman, the president has responded in a very general way, denouncing the violence, denouncing bigotry and racism. but he says on many sides. not really specifically dealing with the called white supremacist nature of the demonstration that started the

events yesterday, and motivated this young person that has now been charged with murder, and with being investigated for hate crimes. attorney general sessions, who i have not always agreed with, made a stronger statement. i must give him credit, and more specific. as a congressman of the opposition party, how do you respond to the nation's government's response to something like this? i mean, we've gone through the charleston massacre. now we're seeing a blatant anti-semitic, anti-black rally by hundreds in virginia. and the violence that comes out of that. where are we, and how should government officials of both sides be responding? >> well, the president has really failed. and this is one of those instances where the president stands alone. many republicans have denounced this violence and have been willing to say it in clear

terms, that these were a group of ignorant, racist thugs who came to this city with violent intentions. and it's not violence on all sides. the president's willingness to equantitative indicate on that indicates that he and he alone intends to pander. to basically stand with david duke, who in charlottesville said they were there to pursue donald trump's agenda. so i was proud to see senator steve danes from montana yesterday, my friend who i disagree with on a lot of issues. he was willing to repudiate this behavior, and call it what it was. for whatever reason, and i think we can sort of speculate as to why, the president wants to create this false equivalency that somehow those people in charlottesville that were victims of violence, that these thugs came with the intent of attacking, are somehow, you know, creating violence on all

sides. the president failed. today is sunday. he ought to look himself in the mirror, and if he's listening, i would ask him, look yourself in the mirror, mr. president. ask yourself whether or not you want to stand with david duke, stand with those thugs, or are you going to stand up for what's right, for justice in this country. let's pray that he gets it right. >> you know, when you raise that, isn't this kind of dog-whistling from birtherism, on and on, and saying at one point in an interview he didn't know who david duke was, and then kind of repudiating him mildly, but not repudiating a lot of the sentiments. doesn't this speak to that he's playing to a basic community of those that really border, if not

totally submit -- many of them, if not most, to a bigotry that we had thought we were past, but many of us have kept saying is still here? >> there's no question about it. he wants to have it both ways. he wants to be able to say that he spoke up against this, but he does it in a way that gives comfort to david duke, gives comfort to those who were perpetrators of violence. gives comfort to nazi sympathyizers. gives comfort to kkk members, as if somehow they represent some legitimate side of a two-sided debate. they do not. they are ignorant, they are dangerous. they represent values that are not american. the and the president of the united states of america has a moral obligation to call it that. this is a -- it's a sad day. it's -- of the many days that i've seen this president fail, what i saw yesterday was a

pathetic performance by a man whose core values apparently are not strong enough for him to stand up to the sort of ignorance, violence, bigotry that we have fought -- you, i know, reverend al, have fought so hard to put behind us. this president is giving them comfort, and it's a shame. >> thank you so much, congressman kildee. >> thank you. up next, you won't believe what this 10-year-old girl -- 10 years old! did to help other kids get ready for the upcoming school year. we'll be right back.

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that cause. joining me now is maury copeni, known as "little miss flint." by herself she's raised more than $10,000 to distribute more than 1,000 backpacks. in the interest of helping others and her community. she goes well beyond backpacks with that. joining her is gailian miller, the president of pack your back. you know, i looked at a lot of your reposts and stuff. you're involved in. even at 10 years old. i started really young, so i really, really was captured by you. but you're in a city where a lot of young people your age, even a little younger and older, are going to school that had been contaminated with this poisoned water. but you chose, rather than to

just deal with what has happened, which is wrong and egregious, you said, i'm going to do something positive to help them go back to school. what motivated you to do this? >> well, people. i mean, well, kids needed -- >> kids needed something to go to school with? >> yeah. backpacks and school supplies. because not a lot of parents could afford their kids' school supplies. like backpacks and pencils and all of the things they need for school, to have a better school year. >> so you, therefore, knowing that a lot of the parents couldn't afford it, you decided to raise this up and get support. how did you do it? >> maury?

>> yes. >> how did you get it done? how did you raise this money? how did you get people to help you do this, giving all of this away? how did you get this done? how did you convince people to help you? >> well, people know me on twitter and stuff. or on social media. so they wanted to donate some backpacks and school supplies. so we got a whole bunch of school supplies and backpacks. >> now, tell me, gail, how effective has this been? just her sitting there, and not only is she charismatic, and all of the above that you could think of, she's really effectively done something here. >> she is extremely effectively helped our organization. at the beginning of july, before any of this came about this year, we were only going to be able to help about 500 students in flint. but with her assistance, we've

been able to help double that number in flint this year, and help with thousands of students. she has such a pull on social media and it's helped our organization succeed. >> you know, what the -- i mean organization. >> with the catastrophic situation that we saw with the flint water and howdy sas rous that has been and will be for a while, would the hate we saw yesterday, i wanted to show -- i want today show that there is a crack of light, even in this dark hour. here's a 10-year-old young lady in a city that was absolutely wronged and she finds a way of saying, but i'm going to break through anyway, and i think that's a real message for kids to go back to school with. we have to have hope even a dark hour. >> for sure. our organization has been working hard this year with

maury to basically shed light on everything that's hachg in the world. we need more of this positive news coming out because it's so negative right now. we need people to focus on the good because we're never going to get anywhere focussing on hate. >> thank you maury, aka little misflint. >> you're welcome. >> up next my final thoughts on charlotteville, stay with us. (flourish spray noise) (flourish spray noise) (flourish spray noise)

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as i watched what unfolded yesterday, the displays of hate and bigotry, of white supremacy, my mind went back over the decades i've been involved in civil rights. i thought how in january of 1991 i was leading a march in brooklyn, new york against the racial killing of a black youngster in that part of town

and a while male stuck a knife in my chest and tried to kill me for leading the march. but what really stuck many my mind is i forgave him. it was a moral challenge i had to come to terms with. when i visited him in jail, he told me you have to remember reverend al, i would have been a hero in my community for killing you. these people feel like a hero for hating people. this is the polarization we must fight and all of us must grow beyond it. i've laid in that hospital and said i used racial language, i hung with people who talked about violence and you have got to stop that. we all have to look in the mirror and build ourselves. i hope the president does that.

do i have a lot of face? i fought donald trump from central park, but i have a right to expect the president, not the person, to rise up and do what's best for the country. that's why i've decided to stay on the team that is clear. when i saw those ministers in the oval office putting their hands on the president, donald trump, praying for him and blessing him when he's being dog whistling and been divisive, i said, no, we must stand as clergymen, ministers and show we are on the team of dr. king's dream. that's why we're going to washington. they went yesterday to stand for a statute of the past, a confederate general. two weeks from tomorrow we're

going to stand for the dream. clergymen, which side are you on? we can stand against hate. to keep the conversation going like us at facebook.com politics nation and follow us on twitter. i'll see you back here next sunday. what's team spirit worth? (cheers) what's it worth to talk to your mom? what's the value of a walk in the woods? the value of capital is to create, not just wealth, but things that matter. morgan stanley

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>> good morning everyone i'm alex witt here at msnbc headquarters in new york. here's what's happening we have new details and reaction today to the white nationalist rally which turned deadly in charlottesville, virginia. crowds stood in solitary with the victims of the violence that broke out. the justice department have opened a civil rights investigation in the attack. five people injured in the car attack remain in criminal condition. jeff sessns