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family mourn the life lost. >> screamed, i cried. all the way to the hospital. >> and as a nation looks for healing, criticism from both sides of the political aisle that the president's words, push people further apart. welcome, everybody. i'm with msnbc world headquarters here in new york and joined this hour trying to make sense of the tragic events in charlottesville, virginia, has afternoon al sharpton here on msnbc. learning and leaning on insights, reverend, working through the fallout what's happened. first back to seattle and the situation there. nbc steve paterson is on the ground there. steve, an update. the latest what's happening on the ground there. >> reporter: yasmine, countor protestors holding strong in a police line holding the last 10 to 15 minutes now. the scene is tense. counterprotestors clashing with police. trying to push past this line, back to where patriot prayer is. that alt right group that was

sets up to demonstrate here about an hour ago in a square, in a park, they've been holding in place probably about two blocks away from our location. but behind me you can see the police presence. you can see police in full riot gear. police with batons. police at onpoint pushed this crowd back disbursed the crowd once i believe with an that would disburse the crowd, that was tear gas we felt live on television trying to get inside the crowd. counterprotestors angry for one reason. they want to get at the pro-trump supporters and white nationalist supporters in that square and have been unable to. the march started at about 1:30, marching through the streets of seattle, at every point tried to turn to where those pro-trump supporters were. to where the white nationalist supporters were stationed, located. every point along the way there's been a police line.

again, like the one you see here. full riot gear, ready to push this counterprotestors crowd back. that's what's happening. the police haven't moved a single inch. only pushing us back further this way. again, there's a broad sense of frustration in the crowd. a broad sense of anger in the crowd, because they want to draw either a kansas travening conces heard. they've been unable to do that. there may be a disbursal movement from police who may again push the kraut back trying to disburse the crowd gathered here. it's become a very volatile situation just buy police and counterprotestors without even the element of that far right group that is in the square about two blocks away from here. >> and seeing counterprotestors shaking hands of the police. giving them a thumbs up. in light of everything happens,

nice to see an image like that one. talked to us about the prep the city took in preparing for today. considering, also in light of the events that took place in charlottesville, virginia. >> well, there was widespread prep well before charlottesville even occurred. because both of these, both the protest from the white nationalist group patriot prayer, and the counterprotestors had scheduled both of their events well before the events in virginia. i think what happened yesterday is basically to throw fuel on an ever-burning fire, which is now burning very bright. so the city posture at the beginning with seattle is always to come out as a show of force and they've done very well in protests from previous years. even when there have been conflicts. they've been able to hold the line generally with counterprotestors and with those sort of elements in the crowd that may be more negative, that

may be looking for something beyond just getting their voice heard. that what we've seen today. a police pop chers strong, interests in riot gear and forceful if you try to push into them. so far we've seen -- at least one arrest in this crowd. i would imagine there have been a few more because of how sizable this crowd is, how loud they are, and now how passion lit he want to push through at this point. >> steve, stand by. as i mentioned joining me this hour host of msnbc's "politics station" the reverend al sharpton. you're watching this. probably watching this from your office over the last hour. considering what took place in charlottesville, now seeing this in seattle, give me your reaction so far. >> well, i think what is really disturbing is that you're seeing this kind of new boldness from white supremacist groups. i mean, we are saying white nationalists, but they are white supremacists and say that, and i

think when you have this kind of tone where they are coming out of this bowl, one has to ask, where is this coming from? and then when you see that a lot of those, as has been reported, throughout the media, that are tending these white supremacist rallies, attending them, having make america great hats on and are trump supporters, why has not -- why haven't we heard from him? >> yeah. >> denouncing white supremacy, telling people, don't come. if you come, don't wear my hats. i'm not part of this. so i -- i heard you and christina talking about the, scenes like ferguson and baltimore and i was in ferguson day one. and you're right, but not seeing the tanks. you're not seeing the militarization that we saw in ferguson. and you had a president then who said that i may or may not agree with some of what the protestors

are saying, but i denounce the violence himself. you have seen this president make very nebulous statements, almost putting it equal on both sides and has not addressed anyone that would be supportive of him. why isn't the president saying that i am against white supremacy and if you're wearing my slogan, if you are using my name, i denounce it, and those that are with me should not engage in these kinds of demonstrations? because, let's remember, the anti-protestors are protesting an event in ferguson and in baltimore, even though all of us were against the violence, they were protesting a police killing. there's no killing here. there's nobody that was, that caused a spark here. this was a rally called about white supremacy that ended up with one of those alleged

supremacists killing smoob w is coming to a counterprotest saying that america should not be celebrating or protecting the stature of a supremacist who was a general in an army to overthrow the government. >> we're going to continue to watch the situation in seattle as it continues to develop there, but i want to turn more to charlottesville and what's taken place over the last couple of days. attorney general jeff sessions saying we would launch a federal civil rights investigation into what took place in charlottesville, virginia. is that enough? is that going far enough. then what? >> i think it's -- i think sessions has said something that we haven't even heard the president say, that is it enough? no. i think we need to see a real aggressive move by the justice department to deal with the elements of this group. that it has clearly begun organizing around the country. when you see the -- these seemingly organized, the way you had several cars involved, in

what ended up killing a young woman. i mean, are we looking at really just some kind of spontaneous outburst? or why don't we say we're seeing what we have not seen in a while and that's organized domestic terrorism, if, informing, this was organized. that's what he a ought to say. we're not only looking at hate crime but potential organized, intended domestic terrorism. we're going to investigate to see if that's the case. they need to understand that so people lured into their marches and rallies understand this is as serious as it gets when you have a young lady dead and several seriously injured. >> what does an aggressive approach look like? think about baltimore, ferguson. what does an aggressive approach look like? >> you certainly saw, as i said in ferguson, you saw tanks. you saw snipers on the roof. you saw all kind of things. i'm not advocating any of that.

i'm saying it shouldn't be a double standard. but i'm also saying that i think if i was a bigot, and the attorney general was telling me i'm going to investigate whether this is terrorism, whether this is organized, i would think twice before i go out to one of those rallies. there has been nothing from the president of the united states to discourage these bigots from not only attending, because they have the first amendment right, but from identifying with me and associating plea wime with this clearly done it in every one in charlotteville and today in seattle. >> talk about that more. reverend al sharpton stick wig me the entire hour. and david korn, and brian darling, kristen clark, and thank you all for joining me. david, start with you. what is your reaction to the white house statement looking to deflect some criticism the

president received by his choice of words yesterday? should it had come directly from the president? >> one thing we know about donald trump is that he shares his feelings with us. he attacks mitch mcconnell. he attacks the "new york times." he attacks friends and foes whenever he feels strongly about soing. and we can also see what he doesn't do. so the fact that he could not bring himself, not for the first time to condemn white nationalists and neo-nazis and the kkk is purposeful. it's not an accident. it's not an oversight. so then the white house comes out with a statement saying, of course when he condemns violence it includes violence perpetuated by the kk, nazis and white nationalists. he has never been shy before telling us what's on his mind. any statement that doesn't dprum him, from his little tweeting fingers really means nothing. it's like someone trying to provide political cover for him.

republicans and democrats, almost any civilized person is outraged by the fact he cannot bring himself to condemn white nationalists, and there is a reason for that. >> i want to take a listen to the mayor of charlottesville reacting to president trump's alliances and then we'll talk. >> old saying, when you dance with the devil, the devil doesn't -- the devil changes you. i think they made a choice in that campaign, a very regrettable one, to really go to people's prejudices. to go to the gutter. these influences around the country, these anti-semites, racists, aryans, nazis, kkk, they're always in the shadows. it's now on the president and on all of us to say, enough is enough. this movement has run its course. >> how, brian, does the white house deal with the alt right allegiance going forward? >> well, first of all, i think we're hearing a lot of trump

derangement syndrome being espoused. trump denounced bigotry. his daughter put out a tweet denouncing nazis and white supremacy. senator cruz, senator rubio all the republican senators put out a statement but that's not enough. for some on the left, doesn't utter certain words he's in big trouble. i remember when the left was making fun of conservatives because they denounced president obama for not using many term islamic extremism. i'm seeing the same from the left. 's outrageous some made steve bannon like, called him basically a racist, said awful things about him, and tried to say that he's inspired this violence somehow. that the trump administration has inspired this violence. i don't think that's true at all. i think these people are marginalized, on the extremes and i don't think that they have the support of the white house, and i don't think that the white

house, i think the white house looks at these people as something that should be, maybe ignored. may they don't want to give them the benefit of talking about the so-called alt right, the nazis, the white supremacists. it's an awful situation in charlottesville, and i don't think it defines us as a nation and i don't think it defines the republican party. for anybody to try and say that that defines the republican party is espousing hate towards republicans. >> brian, let me ask you this, because there's two points i think we're confused about here. the republican party wasn't the only one saying that president obama should say by name islamic terrorists. donald trump said it. over and over and over again. he set that bar that he is now not dealing with himself. but i don't recall, you can refresh my memory if there's something lacking here -- i don't recall islamic terrorists

running around with change hats on saying obama for president. you have people at the rallies. if anyone is connecting directly trump to these rallies, it's the sue prem i6 supremacists at the rallies he's not saying, how dare you do that. i remember civil rights organizations and the professor can atoast this, in ferguson and baltimore and said, we denounce the violence, even though we understand the anger. we were even attacked by some in the crowd. we made it clear we were we wand not directly. he has not directly addressed that, and directly addressed the use of his name in slogan in these alirallies. >> if you looked at the white house statement today it was pretty clear. ivanka trump was pretty clear. >> what happened to donald trum donald trumps the president. >> exactly wha donald trump said. what you like y. tomorrow. >> oh, maybe we should wait a

day. >> he's president of the united states. >> that's exactly what i'm saying. >> it's a copout, moral equivalency, you know that he's not being direct. and there's a reason why he's not being direct. >> have you been watching what's going on in seattle? seeing left wing violence, anti- -- protestors dressed up with helmets and weapons ready to go to war and beating up on the police. >> i want to brick -- >> and wearing chuck schumer t-shirts. >> reverend al brought up a good point. at one point could have denounced the violence but understand when the violence is coming from. if president trump had said that yesterday, would what have been the reaction? >> it's not just the word and tepid inadequate response of the president yesterday it's his actions. in the first several months of this administration we have seen the president and attorney general sessions take every action imaginable to marginalize

african-americans, lgbt groups, muslims, women. it is the words and the actions, and it is also steve bannon. a person who himself has said that he is providing a platform for the alt right. it is his selection of stephen bannon, a key adviser in the white house that has emboldened white sue prim 1i69prim -- supr across the country. they have a attorney general who did not support the hate crimes prevention bill and it is a toxic combination of both racially charged rhetoric and actions that have made clear that minority communities don't have a place in our society right now that led to the tragic events yesterday in charlottesville.

i think right now it i critical that this justice deparent approach seriously what happened yesterday. we need a rigorous investigation into james fields to figure out, who was he acting with? who financed his trip from ohio to virginia? who gave him the idea of using his vehicle as a weapon to hurt innocent americans yesterday? in charlottesville. did he conspire with individuals? >> yeah. >> are there other acts of domestic terrorism we should be bracing for? that's the critical place that we need this justice department and the president focusing right now. >> and all questions we have certainly and all want answers to. but the conversation also is about, is this from the top down? is this about steve bannon? is it about's steven miller, sebastian gorka and about the response off lack thereof from president trump? my panel along with reverend al

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welcome back, everybody. many wondered why the president didn't call out white supremacists directly on saturday. the answer may involve the president having to drain his own swamp. president trump by white house aides that have ties to the alt right senior adviser steve bannon and stephen miller and sebastian gorka. the people not only advising the president but in some cases writing his speeches as my colleague joy reid pointed out earlier today. >> he has people like stephen miller claimed as a mendte by richard spencen, an avowed open white nationalist. steen bannon, sort of allowed to meld into the normalcy of a governmental employee but who ran breitbart.com which i reread today the post still on their website, they self-describe as the home of the alt right. what is the alt right? a dressed up term for white nationalism.

calling themselves white i dent terrorism. tribalism inparent in a human spirit ought to be also applied to white people. that is who is in his government. sebastian gorka, wore the medal of a nazi organization. being paid by the taxpayer in the government of donald trump. >> and national security adviser h.r. mcmaster asked about working with gorka and bannon. take a listen to this. >> this gentleman by the name of sebastian gorka. what's his role in the national security council? >> he is not in the national security council. what we have -- >> seems to represent himself as a spokesman on the national security. why is that? >> the scheduling people for the media and spokespeople is not my area of responsibility. >> can you and steve bannon still work together in this white house or not? >> i get to work together with a broad range of talented people. it is a privilege every day to enable the national security team. >> you didn't answer. can you and steve bannon work in that same white house. >> i am ready to work with anybody who will help advance the president's agenda. >> dancing around those

questions. isn't he? reverend? with me all hour, and howard dean, richard painter, former white house ethics lawyer under george w. bush and brian darling, and eliysia brooks anda lawyers committee for civil rights representative. thank you for joining us again. reverend, start with you. what needs to happen, the alt right movement inside of the white house? >> i think the president needs to clearly state that, i am opposed in every way to white supremacists groups. don't sugar coat it with white nationalism, and i want to see the full weight of the justice department on whether there is a movement towards domestic terrorism, organized, financed. i think it was -- what kirsten said is very important. who financed this coming from

ohio? he needs to step up and be the president. we all understand, many of us who have known him for years, how donald trump can be, but we need to force him to wait a minute and respect the presidency. we have people that are dying. we have people -- these rallies are not called in reaction to an incident. like you saw with police brutality rallies that we did. these people are calling for these rallies based on their belief in white supremacy. they have the right to do it but don't have the right to engage in domestic terrorism and he's being used in terms of the trump hats and slogans. he a ut to direct that directly like many of us have had to address when we got involved in situations where our names may have been involved. >> saying the president needs to direct this directly what's happening across the country. what about gorka, miller, and bannon? is it time for one or all to go?

>> well, yes. one of the problems here is people don't understand the distinction between someone like jeff sessions, an extremely conservative southern politician. much more conservative than i am, and i've been a republican for 30 years. but people don't understand the difference between people like jeff sessions, who still are within the mainstream, although far to the conservative end of the mainstream, and people like steve bannon, sebastian gorka. stephen miller, part of the alt right movement. the alt right movement is the a neofascist movement and we see that the alt right movement was behind this rally and many other attempts to stoke racial hatred in the united states. this is an extremely dangerous group of people and it is shocking that any of them have had any positions in the white house. i don't see how h.r. mcmaster can fight terrorism when she

expected to work with someone like steve bannon, who has condoned people who essentially amount to domestic terrorists. these people wereto t used to win the republican primary, and then to move on to the general election. they are only there for political purposes and doing enormous damage to the trump administration, and to this country. they all have to be fired, and if they aren't i think the president's going to have to be removed from office. there are no two ways about it. >> we've been waiting on bated breath here for president trump to tweet, and it looks like he has today. he retweeted, i'll read from my phone. it just happened. he retweeted an axous tweet saying the doj is opening a civil rights invest gration on the car attack in charlottesville. the president's tweet so far today. governor, talking be about the people that surround the president from bannon to miller to gorka. the people around the president,

does he actually share the same views as them? >> well, nobody really know what's donald trump's views are, because mostly donald trump is interested in donald trump. these, richard is right. these three people, i mean, i was rebuked once for calling bannon a nazi. he actually is under sworn oath of his wife, refused to let his children goes to jews. an anti-semite and joy pointed out earlier in the clip has been recognized as somebody who's a major figure in the alt right. i mean, what's the difference between that and being a knots ji i don nazi? i don't know. richard classified it exactly right. a difference between a very, very conservative person. i wouldn't agree with much jeff session has to say, and somebody who is a member of a movement that would like to overthrow the united states. they might not want to overthrow them right now but advocated the overthrow of the government and democracy. these three don't belong in the

white house and i suspect there are others that don't either. >> reverend, how did this get past the electorate? we all knew about these connections to president trump. knew about bannon, his history and he's in the white house alongside president trump. hillary clinton made a speech about these connections. >> one, we must remember, she did get almost 3 million more votes. so what we ended up with was an electoral college elected president. that's one. i think the majority of americans that voted, voted against donald trp. but secondly, i think that he played to a lot of the emotions and a lot of blame the other kind of politics that we've seen used in very bigoted ways throughout american history. so he drove on people's emotions and fears where they were not looking at exactly what was being said. which i suspect is why he will not say anything now, because he'd have to go against those

that have counseled and showed him how to play this fear, blame the mexicans, blame the blacks. blame the lgbt k people. blame people. blame people, but now it has blossomed to what it really is, and we are superior. i keep saying, these are not just white nationalists. these are white supremacists. there is no incident that's caused these rallies that they're calling, the incident is, they want to proclaim their supremacy. if you believe you're supreme, you don't believe that the laws apply to you the same way they apply to other people in this country. >> and other republicans have -- go ahead. who was that? i didn't hear you. >> brian. >> go ahead. >> i think it's outrageous you are giving a platform to individuals calling steve bannon a nazi. i know steve bannon. i actually have written three op easy this year for breitbart. breitbart is a conservative website. breitbart is a website -- >> a racist --

>> you're wrong. >> platform. >> am i a racist? writing for it? 35 million people read that every month. are they racist? the 35 million who treread it. >> sure are. >> one at a time or nobody will be heard. >> i know stephen miller. i know steve bannon, and i'd love to see your evidence that stephen miller is this horrible person, when you, mr. painter, said that you have deep amount of respect for jeff sessions. what's the offense of stephen miller? he worked for jeff sessions, his chief spokesman. >> and also worked with white supremacists and you know it. >> no. >> don't lie. >> you're wrong. i'm not lying. you're saying outrageousthings. >> he has worked for white supremacists. >> your reaction to what brian just said? >> how do you -- how do you excuse what bannon has to say about jews? lied like to hear that, brian. >> you know that breitbart is run by, two jewish editors over

there. if he's such an anti-semite. >> nobody is going to hear you. one at a time. brian, your answer. >> isn't. said an awful thing he regrets now part of his divorce proceeding but hired two jewish individuals to run breitbart. he doesn't seem that anti-semitic to me. >> governor? >> that's like saying people in the south had black slaves, therefore weren't anti-black. don't be ridiculous. >> you called him a nazi. that's outrageous. >> he fits the description, i think he fits the description. >> i think clearly i don't know miller or ban cnon but i think e basis of saying it, you have to admit, his wife said he said it. the mother of his children said he said it, and if you look at the character of the campaign. you cannot deny the dog whistling that started even before the campaign with birtherism all the way through. that is now being demonstrated and not directly being

denounced. i don't see it you being far more defensive of their reputations than they are. i don't see any of them addressing any of this, and this is now going on, what? the second day of people questioning this? and people at rallies saying, they're supporters of donald trump. so why are you so aggressive when they seem to be so quiet when they're not quiet about anything? he attacks people in this station by name. he can't deal with people that have disrupted this country? we're dealing with north korea and all kinds of crises and look how we look in the world, where you have a person running a car and kill someone at a demonstration and he can't address directly what they're describes themselves as? i don't think you can sell that to the public. >> and weigh in on this conversation. >> those people will be removed from the republican party. they are, pathetic with racists and why supremacists.

gave the alt right a platform breitbart knows they will be removed from the republican party. it is a matter of time. we are not going to tolerate those kind of people. >> leisha, a voice here. go ahead. >> let me just say that all we need to know is that steve bannon himself said that breitbart was the platform for the alt right. mr. bannon knew very well what alt, what the alt right was, what it stands for and as everyone made clear, the alt right is a new word for white supremacist and white nationalist. so he said, bannon said, that breitbart was that platform and he was the editor. we can stop there. but furser to the conversation i want to mention a couple of things about's stephen miller, who, brian, you mentioned. he did staff for jeff sessions. i'm in alabama. he was on jeff sessions staff and helped him move, push forward very aggressive polici.

and steve mill sir from california, from his high school graduation he has an anti-culture and had a bent towards white nationalism and white supremacy and say this goes far beyond just what's happening now and what the president says now. i'll remind us all of how he ran his campaign. chief, his chief strategist, when, appeared he wasn't going to win, was steve bannon. they got this coalition together. they started getting the attention and the support of people on the extreme right. he didn't reject them then. he doesn't reject them now. he has them on his staff, and i don't care what he says. he needs to fire those people, a mr. painter said, move into action. let me also say that it's disingenuous for him to say, let the country come together when he's the first president in decades who refused to honor, pout out a deck dplasheclaratio

honoring ramadan. couldn't even say the word jew when he came out with the proclamation about holocaust remembrance. so let's -- let's not just solely concentrate on what he said in this particular circumstance. he's, there's already a long history of what he hasn't done. so he needs to do a lot more than just -- reject this current message out of charlottesville. he needs to turn the whole game around, if he truly means to turn this country around and bring us together. he has a lot to do himself, and lastly, let me say something about ms. trump's tweet. i could care less. she was not elected to any office, and if she were taking a stronger stance she would say something about the rison anti-semitism in this country. those shouts that were made friday night at that rally, we will not be replaced. jews will not be replaced. she doesn't say anything. he didn't say anything. this country refuses to talk

about our history of white supremacy, refuse to talk about the rise in anti-semitism. refuse to talk about the increase in anti-muslim and islamic phobia. we have to talk about things if we want 20 turn it around. it's not just on the president or political leadership. it's on each and every individual. every person that voted in this election needs to send a message that this is not why i elected you. maybe we can start turning the country around there. >> why i want leisha to weigh in, certainly. good stuff there. kristen, finally weigh in on this one thing i just talked about the president tweeting out, retweeted, axous tweets talking about the federal civil rights investigation. what will that look like there? >> i think this is incredibly important. the justice department has unique and important powers when it comes to investigating hate crimes in our country and yesterday was a grave national tragedy. we need to look at this not only as a potential federal civil rights violation, but also look

at this as an act of potential domestic terrorism to figure out who this man may have coordinated with and to figure out whether there are other threats we may face in charlottesville or other parts in the country from these white supremacistboldened in this add min stragsz and emboldened because they feel there is a friend or friends in the white house. werther talking about steve bannon or the president, we're at a moment where we're seeing the resurrection of the alt right. you know, the kkk was born in the 1870s. and here we are in 2017, and this administration has, is breathing new life into organizations that should be defunct and a part of our past. if the president wants to do anything, to honor the life of the young woman who was tragically taken away from us tomorrow, he should fire steve

bannon, and all of the individuals in the white house that are tearing apart this country and who have created this tremendous divide across the u.s. >> a vigil noor woman, heather heyer, taking place rights now. 6:00 p.m. in virginia, certainly mourning the loss of that young woman and the loss of so many lives there. reverend al sharpton staying with us the rest of the year. thank you to you all for joining me. we'll be right back, everybody, with the latest on the situation in seattle along with charlottesvie, virnia. you love. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs... you're like nothing can replace brad. then liberty mutual calls... and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement™, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.

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welcome back, everybody. fopping a developing sfwhags seattle, washington. nbc's steve part r pietersen joining us from mister, an alt right rally clashing with police. what are you seeing on the ground? give us the latest. >> reporter: following along with a counterprotest group following the better part of an hour. at thi point the group positioned away froms that patriot prayer white nationalist group. originally we've been following them agency they were butting

right against a police line trying to get into that white nationalist group. they were there hoping for a confrontation that not happen, because police kept that line solid. now they seem to be pushing back the opposite direction. towards the park where they originated, but earlier tensions were really high. there was a police line right between, probably about two blocks away between that white nationalist group and these protestors. pushing back against the crowd and the counterprotest group started shooting the police with silly string. started throwing things at police, and so police started fighting back, pushing back into the crowd. using tear gas to disburse the crowd. we know of at least one arrest at this point. where we are now is pointed back the option direction from where this march originally started. probably about 1:00. a few hours since we've been

going along with them. at this point, sizable police activity behind them. seems police are pushing them, corralling them away from any conflict with the white nationalist group. we have not seen a confrontation between those two groups, but the confrontation and the tension between countor p oor r counterprotestors and police, tensions alleviated slightly because the group is not focused at that second group, that white nationalist group, still espousing beliefs and shouding. as far as we know about a mile awray from here now. back to you. >> stephen patterson live from seattle. with us the last hour or so. thank you for your coverage. we'll continue to follow the story as we continue. keep it here, everybody. you're watching msnbc. the caribbean seas it's a champagne and models potpourri

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peacefly i might say. president trump was supposed to come to new rk today, but he did change his schedule yesterday, not because of anything that had taken place in charlottesville, virginia. that was planned beforehand. see heading to washington, d.c. tonight, will come to new york tomorrow. from what we understand, he is going to be heading to trump tower later tomorrow evening. but as you see a peaceful protest happening there outside of trump tower. just a couple of blocks from where we are right now. all right. turning back to the events that have taken place over the last couple of days, america's racial divide back in focus following yesterday's violence in charles vil charlottesville with many asking how we got here. let's bring mcreverend al sharpton, christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university, and david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones. welcome back to you all. some of the images we've seen over the last couple day, it sort of echos the past, the civil rights movement as well.

when it comes to race relations in this country, where do we go? it's such a big question to ask you. >> i think we've got to deal with the fact that we've never gone anywhere. a lot of people deluded themselves into feeling we were in a post racial era with president obama. that blew up in everyone's face. and i don't know why we would expect any blatant kind of bigotry displayed during the campaign, why people didn't think sooner or later we would start seeing people emboldened to come out the way they have come out. let's not forget, the issue this weekend started around their wanting to protect robert e. lee statue, who was the general of the confederate army, fighting to keep blacks enslaved, and who was leading an insurrection against this government. and we don't even know that donald trump has ever in any forceful way denounced these statues, denounced celebrating the confederacy.

so where are we going, when are we going to realize that we are still not dealt with the fact that there is racial inequality institutionally. he comes from a city that he never opened his mouth for any race issueother than when he called for the death penalty on five innocent young men in central park. he never spoke from howard beach to eric gardner. we never heard from donald trump. but he came out against those five boys who dna proved were not guilty, and he still said he doesn't accept what the dna reports came with. that's his new york history. >> christina, reverend al brings up why this thing started, because of the robert e. lee statue which is now emancipation park, the name having been changed. i spoke to the vice mayor at the top of the show. he said yes, it started because of that. but that's not really what this was about. this gave these white nationalists, this alt-right group an excuse to get out

there. >> to gather and assemble. because they know that there won't be any real repercussions for them. they are white supremacists. and as reverend al has said, they fundamentally believe that this is their nation. and there will be no consequences for them because it's theirs. and we shouldn't belong. all the marginalized groups that donald trump has systematically gone after since he has been in office these past 200 plus days. we have to ask ourselves if this is the original sin of this nation and we've had ebbs and bl flows, but it has never gone away. i don't think donald trump will solve this problem. but he has to be fundamentally aware he stoked the flames of the racial animus. as we made progress over time, donald trump is welcoming people. he said initially this is the silent majority. you can come out of the shadow, and i will be here to support you and pay your medical bills if you get in trouble. >> david, i want to bring you into the conversation here as well.

the president and his initial statement condemning hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. and the white house issuing another statement this morning, sort of clarifying what the president said, calling out and condemning white supremacist, kkks, neo-nazis and extremist groups. what are these two different messages, the white house then having to further what the president is saying, say to the country. say to the african american community. >> it says the president doesn't really care about this. you know, that some nameless white house person put out this statement when he himself is always very eager to attack and denounce when something is wrong he thinks from "the new york times." when he doesn't say anything about this, when he doesn't say anything about vladimir putin and the russia hack, we know that it's purposeful. and it's not surprising. this is a fellow who rose to political prominence as a conservative champion by promoting the racist birther

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this sunday -- violence in this sunday, violence in virginia. >> if you do not disperse, you will be arrested. >> white protesters clash with protesters in charlottesville. one person is killed when a car plows into the crowd. we'll have a report from the scene this morning and i'll talk to the mayor of charlottesville, michael sigler. the president denounces the disturbance, but not the neo-nazis nor the klan participants. >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. >> did the president fail his first test as