hate to be the norm in this country. >> jamaal simmons and brian darling. thank you so much. "hardball" with chris matthews is next, chris is back, so stay tuned. silence is consent, let's play hardball. good evening, i'm chris matthews back in washington. there's been an historic evil in this country, it's an evil that began with slavery, of course. an institution that subjugated millions of human beingses with whips and shackles until the end of the civil war. it emerged as the ku klux klan found in slavery. the 1915 film birth of a nation found a national audience

stirring and fueling a resurgence of the klan for decades thereafter. the scenes from this weekend show that the kkk may have been suppressed but not extinguished. the evil remains still in the american soil, waiting for its moment to rise again. >> starting on friday night, white supremacists, including the kkk, neo-nazis and members of the alt right descended in charlottesville in a culminated in the death of heather heyer. for two days, the president of our country not only refused to condemn this rising up of america's ancient evil by name. he built his political career on

claiming the previous president had not been american born. here he is. >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. on many sides. >> on many sides. on the campaign stage, donald trump was quick, stunningly quick to land a verbal punch on any rival who dared provoke him. at the slightest challenge, he would pummel his opponent with nicknames flying. where was this when the country's history clamored for it, when this country, his country was stricken again by the outbreak of the century's old curse. do not doubt that the haters heard that silence of donald trump this weekend. they heard what they expected of the man who planted the seeds of his presidential campaign on the charge that the african-american president was too much to bear,

so it could not be true that the man we elected president was an imposter. hate groups interpreted the words this weekend as approval of anywhere actions in charlottesville. how many days does it take for around american president to call out the violence and hatred hate groups stand for. in this case, for donald trump it is two days. >> racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs. including the kk, neo-nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. >> late today the president blamed his critics saying, i made additional remarks and realized the fake news media will never be satisfied. truly bad people. joining me now, eugene robinson,

derek johnson, president of the naacp. and katherine ranpel is also a columnist. mr. johnson, was this better late than never or too little too late in what the president finally said today after all these days? >> well, words don't matter in this case, actions speak. this president should have made these comments during his campaign season. he set a tone that allowed for individuals to feel as if it's okay to spot racial hatred, individuals who feel it's okay to hold up naziism in a way in which they murdered a woman this week. it wasn't an african-american woman, a white woman, who was saying that all citizens of this country should be treated with respect and racial hatred should not be tolerated. his words today only came after pressure. if he wanted to take real action, he should have taken a look at the policies he's

establishing dealing with affirmative action, voting, the fact that he has a white supremacist as his adviser. his words mean little, his actions will speak loud. >> how do we interpret what happened this week. in the common law, silence is approval. >> silence on saturday was disgraceful, i thought. it's not what you want to hear from the united states. you want to hear him come out forcefully in defense of american values, of the better angels of our nature, in defense of what we aspire to be, and this nonsense about many sides was soft to the right wing, alt-right, white supremacists who formed part of hose support base, let's be honest. they supported him, they've been cheering him on in their march. they -- after his remarks applauded the remarks as -- he

wasn't bad on us, we -- >> he's with us. >> he's still with us. >> and you know, this -- what penalty is there in american politics to say, i hate nazis, i don't like nazis. and yet he couldn't bring himself to that. donald trump has played footcies with racists for many years. >> saying you don't like nazis is a layup. >> it is a layup. >> there's no challenge for it. you just say it. >> he did lead the whole birther movement, he -- i remembered this, i looked at it today. he put out a tweet in 2014 saying president obama is doing such a bad job, we won't have another black president for generations. clearly that's the way he was going to judge future presidents by the color of their skin. >> you won the pulitzer for other things. i remember a series of columns you wrote in 2016 about the historic nature of the election. and part of that was the fire coming from trump about

birtherism. i mean, he was basically running even before he announced for president. we couldn't possibly have an african-american president, it can't be. >> yeah, right. he was -- he didn't want to accept it, and it provided a sort of safe harbor for white voters who are anxious about demography, anxious about diversity, anxious about a country they see changing. and rather than talk about those changes, and embrace those changes. he went with rejection. and, you know, was that political calculation or just the way the guy is? >> i was wondering. >> i think it's just the way the guy is. >> the working class white people who were ready to go for trump, they go, if a rich man like that who says it, it must be true. a billionaire, so-called billionaire says this is true,

when he's saying barack obama was born in africa, and somehow is an imposter, it must be true, because he's rich. there was a lot of that craziness. let me ask you about the president's behavior this weekend. open ended question, what do you make of it? >> i think it was unbelievably cowardly for him not to condemn in the most vociferous terms possible. it's utter cowardice. the fact that he gave in today is too little too late, it's no coincidence that today was also the day that we learned from fox that trump is thinking about pardoning joe arpaio. this is someone who has been convicted of refusing a court order to stop racial profiling, to me, this is a signal, another signal to his base that racial an mouse is okay. and i think it is no coincidence he's putting out these signals

on the same day he's coming out with more vehement condemnation of the terror that we saw this weekend in charlottesville. >> after making that equivocal statement on saturday, the president was asked specifically about the hate groups behind the demonstrations. rather than use the opportunity to condemn them by name, he said nothing and left the room. let's watch. >> thank you very much, everybody. >> mr. president -- >> white nationalists -- >> do you want the support of these white nationalist groups that say they support you. have you denounced them strongly enough? >> would you call that terrorism, sir? >> that's an opportunity there, and he didn't take it. >> the president received praise from at least one nazi publication. "he didn't attack us, he just said the nation should come together. nothing specific against us. when asked to condemn, he walked out of the room. really, really good. god bless him." mr. johnson, he's making his

views clear here i think he doesn't want to be caught by his most right wing supporters, condemning any of their worst instin instincts. >> this is the equivalent to woodrow wilson -- he's pandering to the lower denomination of this nation, not the values we should hold. if this is what it means to make america great again, it's the 1950s versions of it. we have to decide, are we going to be an america that's looking forward, inclusive, i call on his colleagues. his republican party colleagues to denounce his actions. this is something that has been taking place for a while. we started with dog whistle politics. we are open and notorious with supporting individuals who aspouse white supremist notions. it should not be accepted in this america. >> you're so right about birth of a nation. i just saw a documentary on it

the other night. it's about -- this guy puts out a movie that glorifies the ku klux klan, makes them the heroes of our time. and it goes out across the country and white people go see it and cheer it. this is 1915. i didn't realize wilson had the thing played in the white house. it was outrageous. we don't know the total reaction of what happened in charlottesville, we heard the outcry against it. what's happening in the country? we don't know yet if they're picking up recruits. members of trauchld's party were quick to criticize the president in the hours and days after his first statement. here they go. >> when people have driven trucks through crowds in europe, he has called it radical islamic terrorism. he should say this is terrorism, this is white nationalism and it has to stop. >> i hope after he meets with attorney general sessions he'll say, definitively this was a terrorist attack.

>> he missed an opportunity to be very explicit here. these groups seem to believe they have a friend in donald trump and the white house. i don't know why they believe that, they don't see me as a friend in the senate. i would urge the president to dissuade these groups that he's their friends. >> lindsay is getting better every day. orrin hatch, the senator from utah. my brother didn't give his life fighting hitler for nazi ideas to come here at home. >> good for him to bring it up again today. it's important for the country to hear the president describe the events in charlottesville for what they are. a terror attack by white supremacists. i did raise the ugly question. let them speak. there are people out there, the guys with the crosses and everything. >> we'll find out, whether this was good for the white supremacists, who knows. >> the stormer got a lot of

publicity. the newspaper. >> yeah, they got a lot of publicity and it raised their profile, i guess. >> duke was there. >> david duke was there. even in his sort of make-up statement today, president trump did not call this an act of terrorism. i thought that was interesting. because he's so quick to label other things. even some things that aren't terrorism, he's quick to label them terrorism. he wouldn't say that, although jeff sessions has. takes a lot to make jeff sessions look like a civil rights hero. >> the ceo of merck resigned from the president's american manufacturing council today in a statement, kenneth frazier said, american leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred. within minutes, trump responded with an attack on him, on twitter. now that ken frazier merck pharma has resigned, he will have more time to lower ripoff

drug prices. that's the usual trump -- that's a great example of how trump is on the retort when he doesn't like somebody. >> absolutely. >> he had a real hesitation this weekend attacking the racists. >> yeah, i mean, look at the level of pique displayed in that tweet or tweets condemning or comments condemning a gold star family or anyone else who has attacked him personally. there's no comparison. you know, as to a point you were making earlier. >> what's this with russians and racists? they seem to be the two -- >> they're the only good guys here. >> what's that about? >> they're the ones that have said nice things about trump. the only people trump shields seem to be his family members and those who have said nice things about him. about the long term consequences of the president normalizing racial annie mouse in some respect, whether it's woodrow wilson in birth of a nation or trump. one thing that really terrified me about the events this weekend

is how many of the people there were young white men. not like old racist grandpas who you can sort of write off their bigotry, oh, well, they're a product of their time. these are young people who are going to be with us for a long time, who have seen someone who has embraced racial prejudice use that to pave his way to the white house. and see him as a hero. the lasting legacy of trump is not only going to be the kinds of policies that are abhorrent that his administration is pursuing on many of these issues, it's not just going to be the fact that he's disgraced himself on many levels, but the fact that he has encouraged and emboldened a new generation of people to pursue racial bigotry. or at least to think they can get away with it, if they profess it openly. >> mr. johnson, the naacp made its name big time in the '50s opposing segregation in schools. you won the big fight, your legal action effort. vernon -- who was it --

>> thurgood marshall, of course. today, i guess you'd have to call this something political. something in the political water right now, this guy walking up the stairs right now, i'm not going to war with the nazis and the kkk. what's the reason. there's nothing the naacp can do about that. >> this is more akin to what we call redemption. we finally had reconstruction and former confederate soldiers, still frustrated. organizing the christianitis of the kkk, they were allowed to have a reign of terror. and as a result of that, they committ eted coups detate all o the southern landscape.

we will have chaos, individuals who will be targeted. this is not simply a black and white thing, those individuals also said negative things about the jewish community. the definition of whiteness only became something that expanded when it became politically exceed yen the. for many years, irish were not considered white. these are individuals who are trying to relive a past that has gone. and as a result of that, it could be latinos today, african-americans tomorrow, and any other ethnic group they may choose later. we need a strong federal government with a leader of this country who understands that we are one america. and as a result of that, those who spout racial hatred will have the first amendment right to do so, if they act on it, they will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. >> teaching us history, keep the teaching up, i remember the election of 1876 when the republicans in order to keep the white house in their control gave up on reconstruction all

together. thank you so much, sir. eugene robinson, as always, sir. derek johnson, the naacp and catherine rampell. president trump is headed to new york city, demonstrators are gathers around trump tower. he will spend the night there for the first time since becoming president. when we return, we're going to talk to a former fbi agent who worked as an undercover white supremacist who says trump's words and actions are resonating with hate groups. new information in the russian investigation tonight. seeking interviews with current and former white house officials, including the ousted chief of staff reince priebus. his condemnation of the far right was two days late, and his new ad blames everyone else for

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this represents -- for the people of this country. we are determined to take our country back. we're going to fulfill the promises of donald trump. that's what we believed in, that's why we voted for donald trump. he's going to take our country back. and that's what we got to do. >> that's trump supporter david duke. that was imperial wizard david duke. donald trump rose to political prominence in 2011, questioning president obama's birth place. er here he goes. >> why doesn't he show his birth certificate? and you know what, i wish he would, because i think it's a

terrible pail that's hanging over him. >> if he has a birth certificate, he should release it. >> all i want to do is see this guy's birth certificate. >> if he weren't lying, why wouldn't he just solve it. i wish he would. if i doesn't, it's one of the greatest scams in the history of politics and in history period. >> i love whoopi goldberg's language by the way, that said everything as she held back as far as possible from that guy. candidate trump was subjected to harsh criticism. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists and some, i assume are good people. >> i think islam hates us. there's something -- something there that's a tremendous hatred there. we have to get to the bottom of it. >> you take a look at the innercities, you get no education, no jobs.

you get shot walking down the street. their worse, i mean, honestly, places like afghanistan are safer than some of our innercities. >> get the point? yesterday in the wake of saturday's attack, religious and civil rights leaders called on the president to fire white house adviser steve bannon. also, sebastian gorka given their association with alt-right movements. the president on the civil and human rights said supporters of white supremacists should not serve in the white house or at any level of government. i think we all agree on that. at least those watches. steve bannon is the president's chief strategist. for more, i'm joined by michael german, a former fbi special agent who worked undercover to infiltrate neo-nazi groups. he's currently with nyu school of law.

thank you so much. your expertise is called upon now by everybody. what did you learn when you were undercover with these white nationalist groups about how they listened to politicians? >> thanks for having me, chris. i learned a lot about this movement. i learned how they look at our country. and they know their history very well. and believe that this period since the civil rights movement is an aberration from what should be. and they have been suppressed by that, but they have always been there. this is a persistent issue. and the idea of politicians appealing to them through dog whistles is nothing new. this concept of right wing populism has been part of our political discourse for a long time. >> do they vote -- do they tend to vote? do they get the most right wing candidate they can get and vote for what's there. even if they don't go the full

route to their right wing position. they vote? did david duke vote for trump? does that sort of thing go on? >> of course it does. trump was a candidate that was different. this was no longer a dog whistle, this was a bull horn he was talking to these communities through. when he made the types of comments you showed at the beginning of this segment. i think they realized this was going to be a different presidential candidate, and were happy to publicly support him when typically that would not be the way they reacted. if you look early, they were skeptical of him being somebody who would support the causes and policies they're interested in, that's what i find most troubling, not just of the relate rick, but actual policies are being put in place, that are discriminatory, that are having dispar at impacts on muslim communities, latino communities and communities of color across the country.

>> careen your thoughts? >> i agree with michael, i think this was a bull horn, what donald trump did for 18 months. but i would also argue that it went deeper than just his 2011 foray. let's not forget the central park five, he falsely accused them of being guilty, asked for their execution. >> they were all acquitted. >> they were teenaged boys when he asked for that, brown and black boys when he did that. >> that's when a young woman was raped in central park, and these guys were rounded up quickly and judged guilty. >> that's exactly right. back in the '70s, the trump organization being fined for racial discrimination. this is -- i think this is a long history, it didn't start in 2011, and i want to talk a little bit about his actions. his -- the trump administration has actually changed some policies, the countering vingt

extremist program that's under the government, he has narrowed the scope, so now it doesn't target white supremacist groups. now you have, you have after hate -- >> remind me of that -- >> you have after hate, that was getting $400,000 to fight that. now they no longer have that money. it's a long list of groups that are now without funding. >> let's give some merit and applause to hillary clinton. she gave a speech slamming the radical fringe that she said was taking over the republican party thanks to trump. she had this warning. >> from the start, donald trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. he is taking hate groups mainstream. and helping a radical fringe take over the republican party. his disregard for the values that make our country great is profoundly dangerous. >> in the wake of her speech,

candidate trump came under intense pressure to condemn the alt-right movement himself, but refused. in the book "devil's bargain." we polled the race stuff and it doesn't matter. michael, i've got to get back to you. i'm fascinated by what you overheard. i understand nationalism, our country is in a world that has to compete. i think we get involved in wars we shouldn't get involved in it or not in our national interests. how do you exclude african-americans from america. they've been in this country, not exactly by their own volition, but here since the 14th, 15th century. they beat all of us, most of us, to put it lightly. white people by several hundred years. my family came here in the 18th century. and i just wonder how in the other half in the 19th century. how do they explain their nationalism as being anti-black? >> this is a long history.

they see their history going back to european dominance, going back to the british empire. >> so it's not to america. it's to europe? >> yeah, certainly. absolutely. right, i mean, we always talk before this as a domestic issue, but naziism wasn't invented here in the united states. this is -- has been an ideology and philosophy and in some cases a theology that has been around for a long time. and justified slavery. it justified segregation in jim crowe. it justified the anti-immigrant acts that targeted other groups. and i think that's -- it was very relieving to hear so many republicans come out and strongly denounce the violence and strongly denounce trump's refusal to denounce the violence. but, you know when we talk about immigration, i would hope they would look at their own language and how they talk about other

people. and when they talk about terrorism and the way they talk about muslim communities. that they would realize how much that rhetoric divides our society in ways that become dangerous and provide fuel for these hate groups that they live on. >> i think they want division, but thank you to your service for our country. michael german, thank you -- i know your beliefs are along the lines of opposing these groups. we'll have much more on charlottesville and trump's failure to show leadership later in the show. new developments in the russian probe. robert mueller's investigations want to talk to current and former trump administration officials including white house chief of staff reince priebus. he could be back in the news if he starts talking. this is hardball, where the action is. liberty mutual stood with me

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meeting between the campaign and the russian leadership. robert mueller is in talks to interview current and former west wing officials, including ousted chief of staff reince priebus. mr. mueller wants to ask the officials about president trump's decision in may to fire james comey. i'm joined now by the national security reporter who wrote today's report. and senior associate general council at the director of national intelligence. let me go to this question. why do you think -- what leaps to mind when you hear that the special council wants to interview reince priebus? >> well, obviously, he's looking to find out what people in the white house or people who were close to the president knew about a variety of the different aspects of his investigation. on the collusion piece, the russian collusion piece, he's going to want to know what reince priebus and others had access to the president knew during the campaign cycle.

on the obstruction piece, he's going to want to know what conversations took place, and what they knew when they were in the white house, to the extent 245 the president or others around him, took steps to obstruct the russian collusion investigation. >> fbi agents sit down with you, special agents sit down with you, they can ask you anything you want? what did you hear? hearsay or whatever? what was the scuttle butt in the hallway. when did you first hear about the russian problem? we all heard about it. what was the worry, what did you hear? are you entitled to ask any question even hearsay? >> sure, they can ask questions. anything that's relevant to their investigation. here's what might be going on. normally, what would happen, the investigator, the prosecutor would do subpoenas, request documents, sort of get all of the written materials or electronic data in front of them first, and then go interview witnesses. what might be happening in this place, because it would be so dramatic and unusual to issue

search warrants to people connected to the white house, they want to do some interviews first, starting with somebody who's no longer in the white house, it's a good place to start. >> he's going to provide leads. he might be able to give them more ideas about who they want to serve a subpoena too. who else they want to interview. what other documents -- >> chief of staff to the president would know the president's worries every day, about exposure for what he might have said or ordered with regard to russian collusion? >> depends on how many conversations he was in. certainly according to the reports, reince priebus was present for a lot. that will bring in the issue of executive privilege. weather or not communications that took place between reince priebus and others are able to be uncovered through the questions that the investigators are going to ask. >> let me go to carol anne, we got a great story for you about this guy papadapolous.

how about i set a a meeting. why russia, russia, russia? why is there always -- what's the chicken and the egg answer. were the russians telling this young guy, we'd like to meet or did he come out of nowhere and say, why not the argentinians, why not the cubans. why are they always with the russians? >> that's the huge takeaway from the little sneak peek we've gotten into this trove of e-mails, why the frequency of discussions about meeting with the russians. now, i want to keep in mind -- >> why would they want to meet with the russians? >> it looks at least in one instance we have clear evidence that a group, an ngo that's tied to the putin government, and to the kremlin, that that group which was created by the russian government, an ngo, a soft touch for -- if you will, the kremlin, reached out to george papadapolous and said we're thinking it would be cool to

meet mr. trump and his team. we would happily host you. we think putin might be willing to host trump and his team. >> how does this affect the meetings in moscow with michael flynn and jill stein even there, and the meetings in june at trump tower. >> some of these e-mails are stunning, because again the frequency. you have a couple instances where the senior campaign officials are going, this is a bad idea. why are we considering this junior aids idea to go to moscow. >> who was this person who blew the whistle? >> well, paul manafort says i don't know if this is such a good idea, let's make clear that donald trump is not doing these meetings. >> he owed 17 million to the -- >> yeah, that's another story. >> this is so messy. thank you for your expertise and what might be coming with reince priebus. up next, president trump took two days to condemn the neo-nazi's response in charlottesville. this weekend he reflexively

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president trump didn't speak out this weekend and condemn the white nationalists involved in the charlottesville attack. he did release an ad calling journalists his enemies. let's watch it. >> democrats be instructing, the media attacking our president. career politicians standing in the way of sung ses. but president trump's plan is working. one million jobs created. more americans working than ever before. unemployment lowest since 2001. the stock market, all time record highs. the strongest military in decades. the president's enemies don't want him to succeed, but americans are saying, let president trump do his job. >> i'm donald trump and i approve this message. >> he sure did, and when cnn

reporter jim acosta pressed the president today on why he didn't denounce the hate groups in charlottesville, he called the reporter fake news. >> can you explain why you did not condemn those hate groups by name over the weekend? >> they've been condemned. they have been condemned. >> and why are we not having a press conference today. you said on friday we'd have a press conference. >> we had a press conference, we just had a press conference. >> can we ask you more questions, sir? >> that doesn't bother me at all, but i like real news, not fake news. >> you can't help laughing at some of this stuff. i don't know what he's up to, but he's not having a good time. this is not working. i think his party has finally turned on him on this one. the republican party is after all, you go way back, the party of lincoln. it is in fact the party of lincoln. they're not proud of this guy right now. >> it's been clear that

republicans are not happy with how he responded, cory gardiner, orrin hatch deciding to come out very aggressively against it -- >> why do you think they -- let's play basic life here, basic american life. why would a politician who runs statewide, not with a right wing group of people, across the board in some states, really not want to be anywhere near this guy on this? >> this is one of those things that becomes an attack ad. it's something that's unsettling for people. there's a quick and clearance that people were expecting trump to give, he didn't give it, and when that happened, you don't want to be the guy that gets accused of positioning yourself with -- >> supporting by silence. >> i think we see people who feel that way. >> you would hope they would come out, because it's the right thing to do. this was a side where the one side was white supremacists and white nationalists doing violence, domestic act of terrorism. this wasn't one that had a question of politics. and we still -- >> why did he blow the layup

then. >> that's the question for him. this is a shocking kind of -- it took him so long to denounce this, it's shocking in a way. someone died out there. someone innocently died. >> you're right. picture the car ramming into a crowd is terrorism. and that's what we think of in the south of france or in charlottesville. >> but chris, he didn't blow the layup, because he wasn't trying to score points. donald trump is never shy or reluck stant about calling out any insult or offense that fits his world. >> why would he say i don't like nazis? >> because he's playing to the base. when people tell him the right thing is to do this, he doesn't want to do it, he has steve bannon by liz side. >> okay, explain. >> explain? >> what's the politics in not condemning natszdyes? >> white nationalists, the alt-right were all part of his electoral base. it's a small part, but by not attacking them, he's taking a stance against being politically

correct. from their point of view. and so you have steve bannon who wants to have a right wing conservative populism, with a racial or nationalistic approach. and so attacking these people undercults that message. donald trump -- you ran the tape, he came to prominence as a birther, he played with -- didn't just play with race, he used race during the campaign. he doesn't want to be a traditional politician called upon to denounce racists, because he doesn't care. if he cared about this, he would say something. he does not care. >> clearly he's decided if he's going to run for re-election, or eastern survive these four years, he's going to circle the wagons. it's going to be a conservative white person's party. i don't want minorities, liberals, anyone who cares about this country's history with race. i'm willing to exclude 60% of the country here maybe. >> when we talk about him playing to his base, we're talking about the president who has largely only catered to a

specific white population. when you're saying circle the wagons, that abdicates what he said on election night about being president to all americans. we have seen presidents even population, take the responsibility to comfort others. and even in his statement today when he's denouncing the kkk and neo nazis there was never a word to those non-white americans who were specifically targeted by these groups and who he took two days to even come out and denounce. where was his word to them? >> we know that donald trump thinks that if something works to keep doing it. he thought that the way it worked on the campaign worked and why would he change now? >> i like basic thinking. it got me here. the round table is sticking with us. this is "hardball," where the action is. this time it's his turn.

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we're back with the round table. ginger, tell me something i don't know. >> republicans think they're going to move to tax reform when they come back in september. and look for an easy win might go be to just go to the personal income taxes but they're going to face a fury of opposition if they try to make big changes to the personal income tax. they could find that it's actually harder than the corporate tax they've been fighting over for the last six months. >> one of the dog whistles you may have missed over the weekend came in trump's speech on saturday. he said he wanted people to cherish our history, which white

nationalists love. they thought it was a reference to the confederate history and the robert e. lee statues and monuments they've been fighting to preserve. >> good decoder there. david. >> off what we talked about earlier, i ran into a prominent washington republican today and i said so it looks like trump is going to bring your party to a crunch point. he said to me, well, he's still learning to be president. i said really? he said yeah, the problem is he has no values. i go, well, doesn't that bother you? he goes, well, he's just president. so this shows me that washington republicans are still hanging on tight despite the discomfort with his response this weekend. >> a prominent republican saw you coming and held his ground, right? >> they wouldn't give. they're standing by trump. >> it's republican culture to go along. i'm afraid ginger rogers -- i was watching old movies. thank you, gentlemen. thank you, david corn. when we return, with trump watch, he's not going to like tonight. i think the country will, though. you're watching "hardball."

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trump wants monday august 14th, 2017. it took a while, didn't it? when white supremacists including the kkk and other groups held that torch march on friday, we had a president but he didn't say anything. when the car charged into that crowd down there in charlottesville, we had a president, but he didn't say much. he called it a display of hatred and bigotry on many sides. many sides. we had a president with two days

to think about it. he said the right thing. he said racism is evil and those who cause violence and n. its name are criminals and thugs including the kkk, neo-nazis and white supremacists and other hate groups. but it would be better if we had a president who got it right on instinct, who called it as he saw it and called it as an american, who didn't need 48 hours of the country telling him what to say. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence -- >> two days late, the president changes his tune on charlottesville. >> hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides. on many sides. >> tonight trump's defense for delaying his condemnation of white supremacists. >> they have been condemned. they have been condemned. >> plus, reading between the lines. >> cherish our