good evening. >> as soon as you finished up on "meet the press" this weekend my phone blew up because any parents would like to adopt you. you have a plan b family ready made. they are already made a seat for you for all holidays. pi parents are so in love with you they won't leave me alone. >> i am prepared to become a maddow. let's do it. >> very good. plan b ready and waiting. >> have a good show. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. okay. if you drive north from san francisco you cross the golden gate bridge you will find yourself on highway 101 headed into the northern part of california. and if you keep going straight up the highway, 120 miles up highway 101 from san francisco you get to a place called ukiah. 33 years ago on highway 101 just

outside ukiah, there was an a armored truck traveling up that highway in broad daylight and the truck got ambushed. it was a portion of the highway on an uphill climb. it was fully loaded, had to slow down as it was chugging up the incline and that's when the robbers struck. there were other drivers who saw it happen. that was in broad daylight and they described a professional operation. two pickup trucks were involved. once the armored car started to slow down on the uphill climb, one of the pickup trucks pulled in right behind it and another pickup truck pulled right in front of it. one right behind and one right in front boxing in the armored car. and then in what appeared to be a well-coordinated action, guys with guns leaned out of the two pickup trucks and they shot out the tires of the armored car. and that forced the armored car

to a stop. there were reportedly six again men all together. all of them had their faces covered. with bandanas or ski masks. three guys in each of the two pickup trucks. aafter they brought the car to a halt, they used high powered guns to shoot out the reinforced glass on the armored vehicle and that's how they got inside of it. they got the doors open and they took off with 10 to 15 heavy bags full of loot. it was all witnessed by other people on the highway. broad daylight. they drove up 101 in these two pickup trucks, dumped them nearby and got in another vehicle and sped off. it was fast, it was professional. i was a very heavily armed operation. and it turns out they got a huge haul from that one armored car heist. $3.6 million in cash from that one armored car.

and some of the money disappeared, was never accounted for again. but when the government filed its indictment the following year after the gang that had pulled off that heist on highway 101 in northern california, the government in its filings said that they had been able to trace some of the cash that was stolen from that armored car in ukiah. and the list of where that money went changed everything. $300,000 went to a particularly veer lent and violent chapter of the ku klux klan in north carolina, another clan leader in california got $250,000, the national alliance, a nazi grouped based in washington, d.c., they got $50,000, the arian nations up in northern idaho, they got $40,000. that one heist, that ukiah armored car heist, it wasn't just a huge multimillion dollar robbery. it was also supposed to fund the

start of the next civil war in the united states of america. the guys who robbed that armored car on highway 101 back in 1984, they were part of a neo-nazi gang that called itself the order. and the order is best remembered now for having assassinated this man, a jewish talk radio host in 1984, a man named alan berg. but most of the crimes committed by the order weren't just murder anassassination which we remember them for now. most of their crimes were about money. when they robbed armored cars and video stores and robbed banks, all of these robberies that they committed all up and down the west coast, they were all designed to collect cash to arm and fund a violent movement that was going to wage a race war in america, creating a white's only homeland in the united states. and these guys in this gang, the order, they weren't the only people who had that idea at the

time. a year after the order was indicted and the whole gang went on trial, it was a married couple in wyoming, a married coupleed this elementary school and took hostages. they took 150 kids and teachers hostage. in exchange for the lives of all of those kids and teachers, the couple demanded a multimillion dollar ransom that they said they would use to finance a white supremacist ref lu revolution. the couple that took all of the kids and teachers hostage, they brought in bombs, homemade gasoline bombs. a bunch of the kids that they took hostage ended up getting burned. but the only two who died that day were the two hostage takers. throughout the 1980s into the

1990s is there were regular white supremacist meetings, the arian nations congressing up in northern idaho. they held a big piece of land up there until things started to fall apart for them in 1988. a bunch of the arian nations security guards were out patrolling while drunk one night. they ended up beating up and shooting at a nay tiff american mom and her son who had the misfortune to pass by while the drunk nazi guards were out patrolling the perimeter of that arian nations land. the lawsuit was bought on bhoof of the woman and her son and in that legal strategy they basically came up with a way too bankrupt the nazis into losing that land in northern idaho. they were forced to vacate and the town's fire department got practice and satisfaction on burning down all of the senate zi's buildings one by one after

they had been evicted via bankruptci bankruptcies. the united states of america has a stubborn problem with neo-naziism and overt violent white supremacy. it always seems amazing when it surfaces but we've always had it. and over i'm they go through ridiculous and self important names and iterations and patterns of symbolic behavior, right. but over time it's all the same basic idea and at its core it's always violent. it's the order. it's the clan. it's the arian nations. the christian identity movement. now they want to be called the alt-right. okay, whatever. their ideas are not new. their violence is not new. as a country we've weathered extreme incidents of their violence. the oklahoma city bombing in 1985 killed 168 people, including dozens of kids, brought down a federal building.

today a 23-year-old extremist from oklahoma has been arraigned from trying to blow up a bank in new york city to follow in tim think mcveigh's footsteps. in 2012 a knee neo-nazi, in wisconsin, shot and killed six people in the trump l. in 2015 another white supremacist shot and killed nine people, shot and wounded three others at an landmark afric african-american church in south carolina. he said his motive was they were hoping to start a race war. they're all hoping to start a race war. they're always trying to do that. this is a persistent infection in white american culture and it can be quite fatal. and what i've learned over the course of my 44 years is that this infection in modern american white culture doesn't

get better over time. and apparently it never goes away. we are having a particularly bad outbreak of it right now, this year. february, kansas, two indian engineers shot in a barbie a guy who was screaming racial and religious slurs at them. one of the engineers was killed, another was wounded as was a bystander who tried to save them, in february. then in march, manhattan, a 66-year-old african-american man minding his own business, walking down the street, attacked and stabbed to death by a white man with a sword who drove to new york city from maryland specifically because that's where he thought hi could get the most media attention for his plot to kill rad come black men on the street. in may, portland, oregon o, two girls on a commuter trained subjected to abuse by a guy screaming at them and threatening them, passers by

intervene on behalf of the girls, one of them get killed. that happened at the same week that this young man was stabbed and killed three days before he was due to gararaduate just aft he hads been commissioned as a second lieutenant in the united states army. the young white student who killed him was a member of hard core right wing online groups. and this weekend, charlottesville, virginia, a white supremacist march and rally is followed the next man by described as a nazi sympathizer, driving his car into a crowd killing one, injuring 19 others. we are experiencing something right new that is not new but we are having a particularly bad outbreak of it this year. if you're cognizant and history of the stuff we've got to contend with in this country with this american culture and

politics, there are two things that i think are going on right now in this particular outbreak we're having of violent white so prem schi sprem schism. we've got two things going on that are unusual and unprecedented. that just means it's hard to predict what's going to happen next. even with the understanding of how this has proceeded in this past, there are two things in what's going on right now that have different. one of the things that's different is very practical and one of them is political. the practical difference is it's a very very granular thing but it may end up being important. it's the public identifyability of the participants. robbing a brings truck in 1984,

those guys war ski masks. in hayden lake, idaho, that was so far off the grid that they felt comfortable making their homeland off the grid because nobody could find them. in white power culture and music and gangs, there's always an element of covert organizing. right? that's what the hoods are all about. but when these guys all turned up at the university of virginia on friday night, yes, it was the diagram overlap between stupid and threatening that they're all stand tlg in torchlight. they're all standing there holding hardware store tee key torches while yelling their nazi slogans. however you felt about that emotionally seeing it, those torches always made for some really good lighting in terms of seeing what those guys all look like. and there was, honestly, with cell phone technology and the

way we cove our interactions, there was one camera there for every single human being on sight yelling nazi slogans and carrying a torch. and because of all of those recognizable faces, there has an been interesting side bar of news where the neo-nazis and white supremacists and separa separatists who showed up on tap at the rally, there's an interesting in side bar in the news where you see them all pluzing their jobs today or being denounced from their families or having to explain to their college campuses who they are, what they really think and what they're doing there. that's a prak dal somewhat small granular thing but that will become an ongoing wild card for this movement and for this ongoing violent scourge in the united states that we faced for so long. every single person who showed up at that torch literally

friday night will be forever identifiable as someone who showed up. they were all very well lit. they were all very very well photographed. anybody who was just, you know, flirting with white supremacy, because it's the hot new thing in conservative politics in the trump era, anybody who was there on a whim who is finding themselves and wondering if they're maybe a nazi, they will find for the rest of their life that they're identified as a neosenate zi or a white supremacist for having been at that event. none of them will be able to change that. you think having an embarrassing facebook feed is going to affect your ability to get jobs after grad school. imagine what it's going to do for to you for the rest of your life if you're well lit on camera, well defined, identifiable and named as having been one of the names screaming nazi salutes at the university

of virginia 2017. and that organized strategy to have been done it by torchlight, it may have been genius on part of the organizer to lock in a lifelong commitment to quit literally show their faces at that event on friday night. they're now in it for life. so that's one wild card. that is legitimately new in terms of how the movements have operated in modern history. that's the practical thing. the political thing, the other thing that's new here is of course for the first time ever in modern american history these guys think they have a champion not just in politics but in mainstream politics. david duke ran for governor in louisiana and there has always been a house member her oar there who was willing to associate himself or herself with the malitia movement or flirt with extremes. but we've never had the violent

right in this country associate themselves so openly and so lovingly with a serving president. and there's been a lot of talk today and over the weekend about what that association means for this president and how this presiden president talks about that movement. but it's worth looking at what that connection to a presidency means for these neo-nazis. what it means for this thing we can't get rid of, this persistent source of violence and extremism and terrorism in american culture. we've seen that subculture wreak shaf rock every decade we've existed as a country. we've never seen one align with a sitting u.s. president. what does that mean about where the movement goes from here. that's ahead. stay with us.

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on january 31st, a week and a half after donald trump was sworn in as president, the mayor of charlottesville, virginia held a rally outside city hall and in front of hundreds of people and a number of what local news reports described as fairly vocal protesters. the mayor declared that his city would be a capital of the resistance. he then described ways in which he personally as mayor would work to try to stop the president's agenda. this weekend neo-nazis and white supremacists and white separatists marched on his city, marched on charlottesville, the

demonstrations turned violent and then fatal. the mayor who had declared his city a capital of the resistance was very clear about where he believe those forces got their fuel. >> responsibility for this coarsing of our dialogue and for the invitation of open bigotry and open insightment goes to the doorstep of the president and the people around him who chose to dance with the devil in their press den campaign. >> these neo-nazis, kkk, they were always in the shadows. but they've been given a key and a reason to come into the light. >> the white house says tonight that the president does not plan to visit charlottesville, virginia in the wake of this weekend's mayhem. something tells me that he will not be missed. charlottesville mayor michael

sig near joins us now. >> thanks for having me. >> let mess ask you what you're telling your constituents, how are you talking to the people of your city in terms of explaining what just happened and learning from it and moving forward. >> well obviously it's been a weekend of grieving and prayer. three people died who didn't need to die. and anybody who has been to charlottesville knows that this is one of the world ice gre's g cities. we were just recently rank as america's charming city. we had a weekend called the hook. it hooks you and you want to spend your whole life here. it's very tolerant, progressive, inquisitive dynamic city. we're a southern city too. and about a year and a half ago we made a decision to start the hard but really important work

of telling the full story of race in our city. and by extension in america. and telling the truth about race. that work is so important, it encompasses things like the confederate statues that were put here. it also encompasses -- like we put $80,000 toward rehabilitating an african-american cemetery near the mall. nose are founding mothers and fathers of the city of america as the white folks have been in your history books. but what it did was make us a target for the forces who converged on us this weekend. these are literal nazis, literal kkk and they all came together in a festival of hatred and bigotry. it was very frightening. people died. but the question, what i've been asking this morning is what do we do next. i think we have a real opportunity to come together and

make something of this moment. i'm reminded, you know, as i've been reflecting on it, it's reminiscent of what happened in charlotte with dylan roof. he came with the intention of starting a race war an what happened. you saw actually a great flowering of racial harmony and unity here. i think you're going the see the same thing here. that's what i've been working on today. that's what i'm hearing from the people of charlottesville and it's the right city to begin to work on our democracy again. >> there's a real possibility that charlottesville, at least in the short term will continue to be seen as a touchstone and as a plat of land to fight over particularly by these groups on the right. i think it's not unreasonable to expect they'll try to come back to show that they're holding their ground. what about lessons learned in terms of the way this was handled this week, in terms of the amount of violence, in terms

of the choices that you have to make in terms of running the city in times like this. >> first of all, remember that high moment when mccarthyism collapsed. jim crowe. segregati segregation. we've come through it stronger. there was a moment when mccarthyism ended and it was the confrontation when the attorney said to joseph mccarthy, you have no long last of decency, sir. i think that moment happened this weekend for the alt-right. you know, people died. the nation watched this. this was like bill connor turning the hoses on nonviolent protesters in birmingham. there are those moments that happen in a nation's vision and their conscience when the worm turns. and i believe in my bones that happened here in charlottesville this weekend and it was time for this to happen. it was time for the horrific

chapter of normalization of white supremacists, bigots coming into the public sphere, they need to go home. go home so we can start turning the page. i think that's what happened here today. there is really important work that we have to do ahead. >> michael sig near, the mayor of charlottesville, dealing with a lot there. thank you for helping us understand what you're going through. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> we have much more to come tonight. stay with us. adults are just kids with much, much better toys. the c-class sedan, coupe and cabriolet. the thrills keep getting better. lease the c300 sedan for $399 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. and life's beautiful moments.ns get between you

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the president is back in his hometown tonight. theist if time he's been back in new york city to spend the night since he was inaugurated as president in january. and this is how new york is welcoming him home. this is what's going on outside his house right now. we've got some -- are these live images? yes. we've got live images. thousands 0 people have been swarming around trump tower tonight to protest the president's return home. people have been parked outside trump tower for hours now. the crowds have been big and loud, moving around midtown, manhattan. not showing signs of fizzling out anytime soon. given the first few months of his administration, him coming back to new york to spend the night since the first night of his inauguration would have had a version of this protest in

some case. but the people are here tonight because of what happened this weekend in virginia and the president's grudging response, his lack of response to the neo-nazi white supremacist demonstrations in charlottesville, va, leaving two police officer's dead in a helicopter crash while monitoring the events. the protests tonight in new york are not the first reaction that we've had. aez the news started to filter into people's news this weekend, people took to the streets everywhe everywhere. in seattle, they marded with a giant replica of the constitution. hundreds of people turned out protesting in seattle, ultimately police used pepper spray to break up the crowd in seattle. that was yesterday. that was sunday in seattle. in denver hundreds of people gathered for a rally under a

statue of martin luther king jr., marched two miles to the state capitol. buckets of rain and hail started falling from the sky in the middle of the march but they kept going. in san francisco people marched down the street chanting "rise up for charlottesville." once it got dark in san francisco, people lit candles and stood in silence. totally quiet except for one street performer playing the trumpet i think it is. all over the country this weekend people railed against the neo-nazis and white supremacists who demonstrated in charlottesville friday night. people surrounded a confederate statute in baltimore, maryland, atlanta, georgia, protests in jacksonville, florida, also in chicago, nlds, also in terrytown, new york, also in downtown l.a. on the steps of

the los angeles city hall. tonight, this was durham, north carolina just a few hours ago. protesters ripping down a confederate moment that had been outside the courthouse since the 1920s. protesters taking out their anger on the confederate statute there. what happened in charlottesville this weekend has been a flash point across the country. as i said, protests continued tonight, showed no signs of slowing down. we've got our eyes on where protests are unfolding tonight, including in new york city outside the president's apartment. we'll keep you updated as more develo develops. stay with us.

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of people to help al qaeda accomplish their terroristic objectives. al al qaeda, isis also promoted this type of attack and it's been used a lot in recent years, particularly in europe. there have been a lot of instances of al qaeda and isis inspired terrorist to use truck to try to kill people on the street. the worst incident is what happened in nice last year, killing 86 people. this attack this year by a nazi sympathizer killed a 32-year-old woman, injured dozens of others. this was an al qaeda vehicle style attack, a man plowing into a crowd of people using his car. but because of the type of gathering this was, because of what we know about the perpetrator, there's also something very home grown about what just happened here. tactically it looks like international terrorism. as americans we know this as the

latest violent manifestation of a violent white supremacist infection that we've been unable to eradicate in our country forever. joining us now for perspective is carol anderson, the author of "white rage, the unspoken truth of our nation's divide." her story today in "the guardian" newspaper is called "america is hooked on the drug of white supremacy. we're paying for that today". >> thank you for having me. >> i was very much truck by your perspective on this as messasomg that we can't kick as a country, something we have an ongoing problem with that seems to be getting worse but it's something that we latently have. can you give us your perspective on this in. >> the way that the article came

about, i was trying to figure out how is it that we see it but we're not being able to in fact move forward. so we have the republican party, that is the party of patriots. but we see the elements happening with the russia investigation. we see the kind of incompetency but we're not seeing a pushback. and i couldn't figure that out. i couldn't figure out why his supporters were so rapidly for him although a lot of the things in the swamp, didn't get drained. in fact it got filled up. how did that happen. and i began to look through it, e it began to strike me that an addiction works. and that is, that you need to drug so badly that nothing else matters. and so family doesn't matter. god doesn't matter. country doesn't matter. your friends don't matter. your home doesn't matter. you need that drug so badly.

and so as i started looking at this, that's what i saw happening with this drug of white supremacy. and like with addiction, it's not like everyone is addicted to it but it affects everyone around it and that's where we are right now as a society. >> and continuing with this analo analogy, this metaphor, are you arguing that white supremacy is so politically potent, so emotionally potent and emotionally rez innocent for white americans and politicians tapping into it that once they start doing that they can't function in normal politics? >> yes. i really am saying that. when you begin to look at white supremacy has really come to the floor as a full-blown operating principle in american society as the way that the government just openly functions, then what you begin to see is that things go so far off the rails.

the language that we use about american democracy is so far removed from the way that we are actually doing it. and so when i look at, for instance, i'll go back to the republican party in the southern strategy. here where you had disaffected whites, particularly of the solid democratic south but also from the beginning emerging rust belts in the north and the midwest, beginning to move out of the democratic party, because of the civil rights act, because lyndon johnson said african-americans actually are u.s. citizens for all intents and purposes, that that movement -- the republicans brought that toxin into their par party. and at first it was just a little bit, a little hit every now and then. but as we saw, it became more and more veer lent with each strain, each time they took a hit off of it. it was like the base became

more -- moved further to the right, more white supremacist, more rigid, more hard line so that there was no place in the republican party for the moderates were for, for instance, nelson rockefeller, for example. you won't mind a nelson rockefeller now. that movement to the right is what led us into trump. that troll in the ground of white supremacy, taking that hit, thinking that you can only be a weekender and dabble in it but in fact it has taken over. what we have to do as a society is begin to purge that out. we almost need a 12-step program. the first step of that is to admit that we have a problem. that's the first step. >> carol anderson, the author of "white rage, the unspoken truth of our racial divide", professor, i really appreciate your being with us tonight, reading your words about this, reading your book, reading your

argument today in "the guardian" helped me think about this with a lot more clarity. >> thank you so much. >> we've got more ahead tonight including a couple of important developments today that got kind of submarined in the news because of the reaction that's happening to charlottesville that i think are likely to drive the rest of the week, at least in terms of what the white house is most worried about. that's next. stay with us. just like the people who own them, every business is different. but every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow. whether it be help starting your business, vendor contracts or employment agreements. legalzoom's network of attorneys can help you every step of the way so you can focus on what you do. we'll handle the legal stuff that comes up along the way. legalzoom. legal help is here.

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you want to know why we don't do cocktail moments on this show on friday nights anymore? honestly, it's because nobody needs any more encouragement to drink over and above what is being offered by the world on a daily basis. this past friday night this president randomly started threatening that he might order the u.s. military to invade venezuela. that was separate and apart from the threats to start a nuclear war with north korea. then asked to respond to the russian president kicking out more than 700 people associated with diplomatic facilities in russia, the president responded by thanking vladimir putin for doing that, thank you, sir. announced a completion of the nation's stockpile of nuclear

weapons. he also spent three days attacking the voomajority lead the united states senate, a member of his own party, at one point suggesting that senator mitch mckonld should resign and that is before the president responded to the neo-nazi torch literally in virginia with a bizarre statement that all sides are to blame. and all of those things have happened just since wednesday. but don't forget, john kelly is the new chief of staff and he's whipping things into shape and really getting the white house under control now. there is a lot going on in the news right now, frankly almost all of it terrible. but as we head into this week, looking ahead at this week, there are three stories that are cooking out there right now that are likely to be uh-oh stories if are the white house and that are all therefore worth keeping an eye on no matter what else is going on. okay. three stories. first of all, the news broken by

the "the new york times" this weekend about the man who used to be the white house chief of staff before john kelly. reince priebus, who was just fired as chief of staff. the "the new york times" now res that the special counsel investigating the russia issue, robert mueller, is getting ready to interview reince priebus. now, reince priebus was not only chief of staff for the white house for the first six months of the new administration, he was also in a central senior role during the transition, during the setup of the new administration and, of course, he played a very key role as chairman of the republican party during the general election campaign and during the republican primary. now, if you're the trump white house and you're at all worried about what the robert mueller investigation might turn up, you probably are not psyched about robert mueller interviewing somebody who was, a, recently fired and humiliated and publicly blamed by the president after, b, that same person spent

the previous 12 months sitting in on almost every significant meeting that happened anywhere involving the president and his top staff. that is a very bad combination if you're worried about an investigation, right? a person with really good reason to want to spill the beans, who is also a person who has a lot of beans to spill. so mueller wanting to interview reince priebus, and that causing major shpilkes in the white house, that is one uh-oh story from the white house that is worth keeping an eye on. second potential uh-oh story for them happened today in israel. back in april, "the new york times" broke the news that the president's son-in-law, jared kushner, in 2012 had done hundreds of millions of dollars worth of real estate investing in downtown manhattan properties, using financing from the steinmetz family in israel. now, that is potentially a legal concern for jared kushner because of legal proceedings in at least four countries that

have put the steinmetz family's money in the crosshairs due to allegations of bribery and money laundering. the kushner family real estate business has dropped its public association with the steinmetz companies, but they are definitely still in hock to them for hundreds of millions of dollars, which is potentially a problem for jared kushner if he did those deals with money that turns out to be dirty and that he either knew was dirty or that he should have known was dirty when he did the deals. we knew about that potential problem for jared kushner as of april of this year. well, today benny steinmetz got arrested in israel. he and four other people. here's the financial times today. quote, benny steinmetz, the israeli billionaire, has been detained by police for questioning on suspicion of crimes including fraud, breach of trust, money laundering, and forging documents. quote, police said they'd been investigating a number of people on suspicion that they had

worked with their main suspect, who officers did not name, to produce fictitious contracts and business deals, including a real estate business in an unnamed foreign country in order to transfer and launder money. an unnamed foreign country where real estate's being used to launder money. which foreign country is that? it has been reported since june that special counsel robert mueller is looking at jared kushner's business dealings as part of his investigation. if those reports that kushner's business interests are already under investigation -- if those reports are true, then these arrests today on real estate money laundering charges -- this may end up being another big uh-oh story for this white house. i said there were three. here's the last one. one more. adam davidson at the new yorker magazine has been doing some intrepid international reporting this year on trump real estate

deals and the financing of those deals and president trump's potential exposure for things like the foreign corrupt practices act. as am davidson has been doing great reporting on this beat all this year, and he has just come out with a new story. and this new story apparently has the white house's hair on fire, so much so that one of the president's lawyers on the russia matter, jay sekulow, has now told reporter adam davidson on the record that if the special counsel, robert mueller, started looking into this specific real estate deal, that adam davidson is reporting on, the president's lawyer says if bob mueller starts looking at that deal, that would cause the white house to warn the special counsel's office that it is exceeding its mandate. and if the special counsel still persisted in looking into this particular deal, the president's lawyer is now threatening to, quote, lodge a formal objection with deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, who has the power to dismiss bob mueller and end the

inquiry. the president's lawyer is threatening that if this particular deal is investigated by bob mueller, they might see that as cause to try to fire bob mueller. sometimes i feel like the president's lawyers are like big, flashing, neon, red arrows that just wander the earth, pointing at stuff to be suspicious about. don't look at that. definitely don't look at that. don't even think about that. you want to know what this deal is and why they're so bothered by anybody looking into it? me too. adam davidson is going to be joining us here tomorrow night. stay with us. we'll be right back.

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the department of justice has very clear rules about when somebody can apply for a pardon from the president. doj regulations say people applying for pardons should wait at least five years after they're released from confinement before they ask the president for a pardon. now, we learned that president trump is contemplating being be that rule, talking pardons already. sheriff joe arpaio, the ex sheriff from arizona was convicted of criminal contempt two weeks ago. he was found to have willfully violated a court order that would have ended his traffic patrols targeting immigrants. in 2011, joe arpaio was ordered to tell his department to stop those patrols, but he didn't give that order. he allowed it to continue for another year and a half. and now a federal judge has found him guilty of criminal

contempt. he's due to be sentenced in october. he's 85 years old. he's facing up to six months behind bars, or not. president trump has now told fox news that he is seriously considering a pardon for sheriff joe arpaio, saying it might even happen in the next few days. he called joe arpaio a great american patriot. quote, is there anyone in local law enforcement who's done more to crack down on illegal immigration than sheriff joe? he doesn't deserve to be treated this way. for his part, sheriff arpaio expressed surprise that trump was aware of his legal predicament but said he would gladly accept a pardon because he says he's 100% not guilty. this of course would be president trump's first pardon if he issues one. a pardon which has a nearly 100% chance of being very controversial, not to mention totally against doj rules. the aclu has already said if president trump follows through with the pardon, quote, make no mistake. this would be an official presidential endorsement of

racism. controversial presidential pardons and computations are not unusual. lots of administrations have lots of controversies on these issues. what would be unusual is the timing here if he follows through on this promise. president trump will have hit the pardon button at warp speed relative to his recent predecessors. president obama, president george w. bush, president clinton were in office nearly two years before granting their first pardon. maybe it's just warming up the whole pardon idea. last month "the washington post" reported that president trump was already asking his lawyers about his power to pardon his staffers and his family members, even himself in conjunction with the russia investigation. so maybe he's just, you know, trying to work the kinks out, trying to get good at it before he has to did it for the really important stuff. buckle up. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, rachel. so you think it might just be that president trump's first pardon, he wants it to be someone not