"mtp daily" starts right now. hi, chuck. >> quite the week. there you go. we made it. well, if it's friday, it's apparently a white house staff shake up day again in the west wing. tonight, the departed. the president's controversial chief strategist steve bannon is out. but does this latest shake up really change anything inside the white house? >> they're going to go out the quote unquote globalists in the white house. >> plus the mayor on charlottesville on what he thinks should happen to the confederate statues now. and total clims of reason. what does monday's eclipse have to do with your health, the planet your anus, president trump and probably 1776, probably nothing. but don't tell that to your local atrolg engineer. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now.

good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to "mtp daily" b. we begin tonight with yet another earthquake in the white house. steve bannon seen by some as an elm seas to many on the populist right or alt-right, whatever you want to call them, arguably the driving force behind mr. trump's nationalist identity and to some the driving force to his election victory is now out. the white house said that today was his last day, and they wish him the best. this dramatic shakeup comes amid a growing wave of criticism from republicans in congress demanding that the president change course. folks, to who desperately want this white house to return to normalcy or whatever that means these days are probably going to hope that bannon's exit has everything to do with charlottesville. an official familiar with bannon's thinking says he submitted his resignation back

on august 7th. that was well approximate before charlottesville. also, it's no secret that his influence had been waning for some time. the bigger question tonight is what does this change if anything. the shakeup comes as the republican partied's criticism of this presidency has reached arguably unsustainable levels. senate republicans unloaded on mr. trump in ways we haven't seen since perhaps the "access hollywood" tape. this one called out the racist elements of his support. the this republican senator slammed the president for siding with those racist elements. this senator suggested he was incompetent and said he didn't understand the character of the nation. this one said his moral authority had been compromised. and thun, who happens to be a member of leadership, said the president missed the moment to unite the country. every single republican president or nominee going back a generation rebuked the president. today mitt romney spoke out calling the president to take, quote, extreme action, address the american people, acknowledge

he was wrong and apologize. does anyone seriously think this president would do that just because bannon is gone? folks, this is far from the first major shakeup inside this white house. this is a photo of the president with his stop advisors at the end of january. his national security advisor, out his press secretary sean spicer, out, his chief of staff, out and now his top strategist, steve bannon out too. look at that. just the vice president. did the president change after flynn was ousted or after spicer's resignation. preeb preeb's replacement looks like ease trying to steer a major correction. trump has made it clear time and again that he might be willing to change the people around him, but that doesn't mean he changes. let me first go to my colleague kristen weller. she's in new jersey. so, kristen, i know the question with many is is this tied to

charlottesville? the white house seems to be making it clear that, no, it didn't. is that a fair reading? >> i think that's a fair reading. it seems as though it was set in motion before charlottesville, chuck. if you take that august 7th timeline, this happened way before. and what we understand to have happened is that general john kelly conducted a review and decided that it was time for steve bannon to go, that he was too disruptive -- >> i'm going to interrupt you a minute and let you get your mike -- go ahead. put the mike on. >> sorry about that, chuck. >> it's all right. it's august. >> there you go. so starting again r the sense is that if you take that timeline at face value, that this was effectively set in motion on august 7th, that that's when steve bannon submitted his resignation. this happened way before charlottesville. we know that general john kelly came on board, conducted a review, felt as though steve bannon was disruptive and

ultimately made the final decision that it was time for him to go. it's obviously a decision that president trump signed off on. but, look, as you and i have talked about since the beginning of this administration, chuck, steve bannon has been a lightning rod. he has been someone who has been at war with jared kushner, gary cohn, someone he referred to as the west wing democrats. he openly talked about that, leaked some stories in news outlets. and i think that that infewer rated the president. and then you sort of saw him change course a little bit, but behind the scenes still feuding with mcmaster and other top officials within the administration. so we have long thought that he could be on the chopping block, but he survived all of these near death experiences in part because president trump seize him as a touchstone to his base, who helped him get elected effect til. and i think there's a concern about what is going to happen, will steve bannon be more destructive outside of the white house? there's still a lot of concern

about that, chuck. >> well, i've got to ask you that because my -- this was a staff that did a lot of infighting and used us in the media to try to settle scores every now and then. mr. bannon may go back to essentially running a media company. >> uh-huh. >> and i'm already seeing now that he's out anonymous staff quoted i didn't like anyway. here we go. is this going to be a two-way skorchd earth back and forth between those on that remain in the west wing and allies of mr. bannon? >> oh, i think that is what they are bracing for, chuck. there's no doubt about that. there are already some indications that that's what breitbart is planning. we think it is likely that steve bannon may return to breitbart. of course, that news outlet that he helped to create, that he referred to as a platform for the alt-right. so i think what you're going to see, though, not necessarily steve bannon taking aim at the president per se, but i think

you could see him get very tough on a number of those inside the white house who he feels are not staying true to the promises that president trump made on the campaign trail, whether that has to do with trade or immigration. and he's going to really hold the white house's feet to the fire on all of those promises. and again, real concern that he could be more damaging outside of the white house. the other unanswered question, chuck, is will there be less infighting inside this administration. that's obviously something that general john kelly is hoping to achieve, and that's part of the real decision -- one of the key issues behind this decision, chuck. >> well, we shall see. it seems to me the president is the one guy who never gets sea sick because he enjoys choppy political waters. it's quite something. any way, kristen weller in new jersey. thanks very much. i'm joined now by someone who has worked closely with steve bannon. welcome back to the show, sir. >> good to be with you. >> let me start -- i know you talked about this with a

colleague earlier, so i don't want to be totally representative on that. you had said your hashtag war, it sounded like you don't want it to be interpreted as breitbart's declaring a war on the white house, that that is more about your -- what breitbart's philosophy has been, you know, whether it's about the media, the democrats, conventional republicans. but is there going to be a war with this white house? i mean, it certainly on one hand you're saying no. on the other hand, you put your own warning out there, don't become arnold schwartz neglect ger. >> that depends entirely on president dut. if he sticks to the issues on which he was elected, if he fulfills the promises that used to hang on steve bannon's wal in the west wing, then i think you'll see positive konk not just from "breitbart news" but from other conservative outfits. however, if this becomes a

sharts neglect ger situation if he swings to the left to apiece then i think you will see a war. >> why are you so concerned about this? i mean, in some ways donald trump and breitbart's philosophy found each other. it's not like -- i mean, because your complication here is you're saying if there's no steve bannon somehow donald trump is going to change his mind? i mean, wasn't he there on some of these issues instipgt actively? do you not trust that he'll stick to it? >> that's a very good question and a good observation. yes, there was an overlap between some of the issues on which donald trump campaigned and some of the issues that breitbart has covered. the concern comes in for conservatives because of some of the other appointments that donald trump has made, some of the people working in the west wing, some of the people at various agencies, some of the national security officials, personnel is policy. and there was concern from the beginning when some of these appointments were being made that these people were not exactly on board with trump's

agenda the way steve bannon was. and i argued at the time well, this could be like a team of rivals like lincoln had. lincoln compelled at using people with different points of view to come out with the best solution of the but now an entire part of that argument is no longer in the west wing, so there's concern as to who is going to represent the voice of the base, the voice of those trump voters within the administration. >> who do you trust in the administration now? >> well, right now you have to trust the president. i think he is making a decision that he believes will correct the media crisis,ible, that they've been in. i think unfairly. i don't think there was anything wrong with the president's statement wrong after charlottesville, the first one second or third one. i think that's also going to mean a lot of pressure on the president. he's asking the base to trust him, and the base will. they will give him the benefit of the doubt even with steve bannon out of the white house, because they're with him because of the issues, not the

personalities. many of them as the president rightly points out were there long before steve came on to the campaign. but steve bannon gave that campaign coheerns and he gave it a strategy for moving forward and he believed that trump could win skbh he got him there at a time when nobody thought that could happen. august a year ago was looking very bad for the trump campaign. >> you give bannon all the credit. >> yes. president trump -- >> president trump i think has taken issue with that. >> i don't give him all the credit for trump as a whole, as the whole election. i think it's obvious that trump made it through the primary on his own and that without a candidate like donald trump who had the courage to go against the mainstream media, it wouldn't have helped no matter who was on his campaign. but certainly steve bannon was the one who turned things around, along with kellyanne conway. i don't think that's even debatable. i know trump doesn't like to share credit, but it's obviously true that without steve bannon trump probably wouldn't have won the general election. yes, he won the primary, but not the general.

that doesn't happen without steve bannon. >> let me go back to this question of who do you trust in the west wing. outside of the president, is there somebody that you trust that is going top represent the views of the folks that gravitate to breitbart? >> i think the conservative base trusts mike pence more than almost anybody else in washington. and so as long as he is part of the discussion, as long as he is on board and in the room and helping make decisions, i think you'll see conservatives stick with this president. and again, it's going to depend on what donald trump does. if he can move forward on his agenda, if he builds the wall on the border, which is a fundamental promise, for example, then i think you'll see people stick with trump regardless of the personnel. >> the wall. it's interesting you say the wall. there has been some speculation -- i think goldman sachs put out an add vis other that they think there's a 50% of a government shutdown and part of that reason could be a dispute over whether the wall gets funded, does the

white house draw a line in the sand. is this something -- is that the type of campaign promise that the president should be comfortable shutting down the government over. >> there are times like these when we americans can come together and i think there's a win win solution for everybody. all those confederate statues that they're taking down, you can use those to build a wall. >> you are being facetious, right. okay. not everybody knows your sense of humor. >> i think that's a fundamental promise. i think that is a fundamental promise. the question is whether trump's allies in congress will stick with him on the shut down. but look, he also has the power of the veto pen. he can actually hold the line, so to speak, on his own. and whatever they want to build the wall with, whether it's confederate statues or southerly panels, i think he's going to do that. and by the way, i predicted this back in december 2015 when i was examining the prospect of a trump presidency.

look, looking at his management style, it is possible that this could be a very troubled administration and that the opposition to trump could become emboldened as they should have been under obama. they're going to rediscover their roles. but one promise i said at the time that trump will almost certainly have to keep or will have to keep is the waum. it's concrete, clear and it was fundamental to bringing his support up in the republican primary. he took off after he started talking about the wall and illegal immigration. if trump can stick to the issues that caused him to win that got people over to his side in the republican primary and the general election, then i think he'll be okay. but with steve bannon gone it really is an open question. >> so i know you said is steve bannon welcomed back at breitbart to run it if that is the decision that's made? >> i don't know what's going on with that and i certainly welcome any role he wants to

play. yes. i think he's a fantastic leader and it would be a privilege to work where him again. >> and i guess this -- the issue of alt-right, i thought it was interesting the way you answered the question to my colleague ali velshi earlier. it sounds like you -- do you regret that steve bannon once said breitbart is a platform for the alt-right? do you think the alt-right has now two synonymous with white supremacists these days? >> i think steve probably regrets that quote. i think that he was talking about the degree to which we had developed a new audience for our stories, but it didn't describe the content of our stories. and that was probably because there were many conservative media outlets as you know that refused to support donald trump, national review did a whole issue opposing trump in the primary. so we were one of the few outlets left that was positive toward donald trump, even though we did have some critical pieces as well. and i think for that reason some of the alt-right, which is a

diverse movement. got lots of different elements, approximate but some of the alt-right readers were looking at different articles. doctor yohai benkler at harvard constituted yid it. nevertheless there was this interest in donald trump. i think the alt-right has certainly movld in the public imagination to be synonymous with the people in charlottesville who said those hateful, terrible things. and that's not something anybody wants to be associated with. so i would imagine that it's something that he regrets. but then you can't take things back. the internet is forever. and all we can do is say that our content speaks for itself. >> joel pollack. senior -- i'm going to get your title right. one of the senior editors at breitbart. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> you got it. all right. so with bannon out, is that a win for the new chief of staff john kelly or will bannon just become even more powerful outside of the west wing?

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very unfairly. >> so we'll see what happens with mr. bannon. so that was the president on tuesday. why do i feel a feeling mr. trump knew what was going to happen with mr. bannon when he made that remark. we bring in our panel. mr. balls, i will start with you. the con naturing of charlottesville and steve bannon is already out there, but it feels as if we really probably shouldn't be con naturing those two issues at this point. i know people want to. >> i think people do want to, especially establishment republicans would like to con nature the two and make that the new narrative as to what happened. >> he's turning the page. >> this is a kind of pivot back to something they're more comfortable with. i think they may be disappointed in the end if that's what they think. bannon's fate may have been sealed longer ago than we knew,

may have happened because of general kelly. it may been before that. it may have been right after that. certainly the interview he did with the american prospect didn't help things. it may have accelerated the timing of it. but is the president better off with him in the white house or out of the white house? i think we don't know the answer to is that yet, and that's a crucial question. >> you know, i was joking with staff earlier, is steve bannon sort of an oh bejuan can observe character in that you can strike me down and i'll become more powerful than you'd ever imagine. steve bannon does fashion himself as a roger ailes like figure. my guess is that's his ambition. >> i think that's his examination. and i think while joel was talking about whether or not he trusts the president i started just scrolling through breitbart and the headlines were welcome to bannon the bar bare yon, is trump arnold scharts neglecter 2.0. this idea is bannon is out and

now he'll be more powerful than ever. gearing up for what will essentially be a war from outside. he saw him as an embodiedment of all the people that i interviewed while on the campaign trail that really expected donald trump to make concrete decisions about what he promised them. and i don't think donald trump really understands the pressure that he's going to be under now that steve bannon is out of the white house. >> john. >> no question about it and i do think that quality is part of why bannon and charlottesville are connected, even if his departure, his firing was not linked to that. the views that those marchers hold, the alt-right, breitbart's audience, trump base, there's a lot overlap there. and i think in that sound bite we just heard from the president where he was saying steve bannon is a good person, he's not a racist, i think he was talking about himself, because the views that steve bannon has that he's getting criticized for are views that donald trump himself holds. and so when the fact that steve

bannon is gone, it may remove some friction between gary cohn, hchl hm and steve bannon, but it doesn't change the character and values of president trump. >> this feels like they lanced a staff boil. there was one person that was determined to be the person that was leaking too much or it seems like everybody was in a fight -- bannon's fate to me was sealed when he was in a fight with kushner, then gary cohn, general mcmaster. at some point you've picked too many fights. >> and one of the issues that was raised, the incident that general kelly came in was is he going to manage up or is he going to manage down, and what we have seen in the brief time that he's there and has clearly tried to manage, he has been more effective managing down than managing up. >> yes. >> the problem is, though -- >> universal quality -- >> not only that, down to he has not been paying attention to everything that the president tweets, we hear, throughout the week. you would think the chief of staff should, but any way, go ahead.

>> well, the chief of staff has a lot of other things he has to do than simply monitor who is calling the president that he doesn't necessarily know about, what he's tweeting. he has real business to do, including shaking up the staff, which he's done. but as john suggests, i mean, steve bannon had views about globalism and the world and immigration and all these things, and donald trump has many of those same views, and they predate the arrival of steve bannon in the inner circle of donald trump's operation. >> what's remarkable here is the problem has never really been that donald trump couldn't find qualified people to surround himself. the problem has been that donald trump hasn't wanted to stick to an issue, a message. he's been completely chaotic. the reason why general kelly needs to look at twitter and needs to monitor it very careful is because that's the primary way that the president talks to the american people. so it would be almost like if people in obama's administration weren't watching when he was talking to the press. this is where the white house press conference is happening now. it's happening on twitter and if you're not monitoring it and if

you can't control what drt is tweeting then it doesn't matter who you leave in the office and who leaves the white house, this white house is going to continue to be in chaos. >> john, i'm going to preview something i'm about to have a little fun with in the next segment, but it was stunning. is wall street paying so much attention to white house staff shake ups that literally there was a gary cohn drop yesterday and a steve bannon rally today? i mean, is it that -- it's that wing of our world that -- >> chuck, i think that the stock market is not particularly politically sophisticated, so what we saw after trump was elected, there was a surge of confidence because people thought -- they didn't think about how this administration might function, the characteristics of the president. they thought, well, deregulation, tax cuts. it's going to be fantastic. >> all republican rule, they're going to get it. >> and then whether they start to see the agenda having difficulty, inability to move health care and other things, then you started to see a disconnection from trump

psychologically and you had a market that was going then on fundamentals and people were saying, well, the economy is growing and we're still adding jobs and all that sort of thing. now when they see the possibility of the whole thing crashing down, then they're looking for something to comfort themselves. and gary cohn became that thing. >> he's a security blanket. >> yes. so yesterday when the rumors were out -- some people think that that rumor was put out people shorting the market, people who thought it would make the market go down -- >> document to know why people don't like wall street, it's that, john. >> exactly. and so -- the sec, go investigate that. >> yesterday that had effect. and then today when bannon was out, there was a rally on the idea that like, oh, okay, now gary cohn can just get that tax reform through. and then what we actually saw was as joel positively look's tweet about war went out and then somebody else had a tweet about bannon is going thermo

nuclear, then the market started saying oh, maybe this won't be so great. >> let me ask a larger question here. look, every white house has somebody who is trying to shape the political narrative, i guess, of the presidency. bannon is out. reince priebus maybe thought he could be somebody that would do that. >> in concert with sean spicer. >> yeah. is it now in this case airs? is nick airs whorks is the chief of staff to vice president pence but probably the most plitically sophisticated in that senior staff, is it now him? is he sort of the political guru now in the west wing? >> well, he is a sophisticated political operator and he has more experience in these things than many of the other people who are now there, but as the vice president's chief of staff, it is enormously difficult to wield that kind of influence. >> but john kelly is not a political guy so it leaves a vacuum. >> i think it's extremely dangerous for the president if

nick airs is the political gain. you know what's on his mind right now that his boss might become president. >> so without him who is. >> there really isn't anybody rig right now. >> that's an interesting gap. >> there isn't anybody and that's going to be a problem which is this idea that republicans really want to pivot, they really want to marry the two and say steve bannon is out, that whole chapter about whether or not nazis, we can just turn the page on that and go back to policy. i think that's going to be really hard for them. i think the democrats are going to make it very increasingly difficult. and i have to say i've talked to some black republicans who are like absolutely are not are we turning the page and go and start talking about tax reform when we really have a real issue with our party and people don't trust our party essentially. >> let's pause there. we're going to get into this republican infighting in the next time we see you guys. stick around. coming up, morale liz are planned this weekend putting a few cities on edge across the country. the mayor of charlottesville

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welcome back. it's been quite the week in charlottesville. just moments ago virginia's governor terry mcauliffe issued an executive order that bars any permits from being issued and prohibits demonstrations at the robert e. lee statue in charlottesville. and earlier today six days after violence broke out at the united the right rally to protect that very statue of the confederate general lee, the mayor of charlottesville says he wants all confederate monuments out of his city. well, the mayor released a statement today urging virginia's governor to call an emergency meeting of the general assembly to allow charlottesville to remove the statue and some other statues. the charlottesville city council already had voted to remove the

monument, but it was halted by a lawsuit from conservative heritage groups. mayor significant nor also called for a moment to memorialize and asked the state legislature to consider bang low kalts to ban weapons at events. mr. mayor, welcome back to the show, sir. >> thanks, chuck. good to see you. >> i want to start with the chef order which was just issued. and the governor calls it temporary, and he says in the aftermath of this tragedy several groups have requested permits to hold similar style events at the lee monuments. state and local officials need to get ahead of problem so we have the proper legal protections in place to allow for peaceful demonstrations but without putting citizens and property at risk. let me be clear this executive order has nothing to do with infringing first amendment rights. i understand that he put that in there, but mr. mayor, what if the president you know what, we have to temporarily ban

demonstrations around rallies that the president goes to because we're worried about public safety. there's a slippery shoep when you issue orders like that, sir gloo yeah. well, first of all, i want to give a lot of credit to my friend governor terry mcauliffe. he started the ball rolling earlier this week. i was with him a lot over the horrible events last weekend, and he got to business very quickly with a lot of leadership and a lot of courage on all aspects of this problem, including with calling for the -- you know, for the removal of these monuments and what you're seeing today, which is some very specific actions on public safety and he's talking about reconciliation. so he's really been a great leader for virginia in this. on is this particular question, i think this is a great development. we are in an emergency situation. what led to my announcement today was i believe that those statues were transformed forever into touch stones of terrorism,

into magnets for monsters basically coming here. and i think the governor recognizes it. i think that we all have work to do in coming up with an interpretation of the first amendment that adequately addresses in this time of these groups that are organizing online for hate, that are adopti adopting terrorist techniques that are coming here with shields and weapons and uniforms and imagery that is meant to insight mayhem. that's what we saw here. and it's happening two blocks away from here, and it's not acceptable even for public officials like myself who have a sworn duty to uphold the first amendment and even the most unpopular forms of speech, but we're going too far here and i'm glad he took that step. >> all right. let me ask you this. so how do you plan to legally bar protestors? let's say once you do reopen the permit process, how do you plan to legally bar protestors from carrying any weapons with them?

>> well, so this was one of the first -- you know, one of the major initiatives i announced today in this statement. every locality in the country has a balance to strike between the first amendment and public safety. a city of 5 million people will be looking at one kind of balance because of the public parks and the nature and size of crowds they have. a city of 50,000 people is going to strike a different balance. we are faced with a unique situation here. i've said that we need to do a thorough and swift review of all of our rights here in ways of achieving more public safety when these groups are really targeting us. that could be the size of the rallies when a rally is allowed, it could be what's allowed there like with these firearms. it could be the kind of garb that people are using when they are actively posturing asthma lisha or guard members which we saw here last week.

and i want to explore also -- you know, the thing is their speech really isn't being limited if they can go elsewhere, which is what the city of charlottesville tried to do in the week before this event happened our city manager and police chief tried to move it to a much larger park that was just a couple miles away so that more speech koosh heard, but in a way where the logistics were easier to handle than all these armed people coming here trying to insight mayhem. a federal judge at the eleventh hour literally stopped us from doing that. and that shows us that our ideas around the first amendment could use some evolution to really get at the threats that we're faced with today. >> let me ask you about the request you made to the state, because it sounds like you need the state to give you the power to remove these statues. explain that. why is this not a local -- why is this not totally a charlottesville decision? >> yep. so we have had virginia, first

of all, is a -- it's called the dillon's rule state. fancy way of saying low kalts don't have much power to do home rule. much of what we do has to be authorized by the legislature sitting in richmond which meets once a year for a couple of months. secondly, the lejs lay stur chose to pass a law prevent having low kaltsz from removing or disturbing war memorials. and they go through in the stat ut a whole bunch of different -- so they're preventing a locality from doing what it wants to do with a statue. that is one of the grounds that we were sued on and we are currently under a court injunction to prevent us from removing the statue. so i think that law simply should be changed because it will be in the interest of democracy. it will allow low kalts to do what they want to do with these statues that are within their borders. >> in hindsight, you were a voting member of your city

council. you didn't declare that the robert e. lee statue go. it was a vote of the city council and you actually voted against removing it at the time. >> that's right. >> and you were very eloquent and i remember there was some people who almost created a virtual debate between you and the mayor of new orleans. do you regret that vote now or do you still think you made the right call? >> no. i think that my vote then was taking in the facts as i saw it then. our blue ribbon commission on race, memorials and public spaces which met for six months, had 17 public hearings had recommended that transform in place, which meant putting more monuments, more context around a monument was the right path. and i took the measure of it sounded like a pretty good idea. but i think charlottesville, virginia, the country, the world changed on this weekend when we saw these monuments literally be transformed into these kind of

twisted toe terms for these people for nazis and kkk and alt-right and all the rest of them in public. and i think their meaning has been transformed forever and they do not brong in civic is spaces like wonderful, beautiful downtown mall of charlottesville where i'm sitting right now. we're a toll rant, diverse, welcoming city that values being who you want to be. and what those monuments have been transformed into there's no way that they can have a place in our civic space. >> all right. mr. mayor, appreciate you joining me. i know it's raining outside. stay dry. >> our spirit is dpriet. we're still one of the best cities in the world and we're back on our feet. >> we're all uva fans at least for a little while now. >> there you go. >>. thanks very much. something that really is fake news, that millions of americans believe and why it's getting a lot more attention this week.

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we heard. there may commence to an unraveling of our national fabric. >> mitt romney is not the first time he's warned about donald trump. people can debate is he credible as a voice of this. i think his credentials speak for themselves. is he right? >> yes. he is credible whatever his credibility within the republican party. he's credible as a person of integrity and decency. he is calling upon president trump to do things that most of the country would agree with. the problem is that donald trump doesn't agree with them. donald trump's statement on saturday, which we all parsed and people talked about how will he clean it up and he tried on monday. it wasn't a mistake. he was expressing what he

thought. we found out the next day when we had the press conference that he was saying what he thought. for him to come out and apologize and say that i was wrong and do something different would be an act of self-negation that we have never seen from him. >> let's assume we can talk him into doing this. i don't think he's believed on day one but would there be some like, at least he's trying or at least he's faking it. >> i think if he came and did an hour long conversation with you or another anchor, something that felt really big. something that felt like it was not just him coming out. something like a come to jesus moment. he needs to go back and say what was in my heart then was something i thought on tuesday but i've realized through listening to the party, through listening to the outrage that i was deeply wrong in what i felt. he can't at this point make the

argument he didn't believe this. he wasn't speaking from a teleprompter. everyone in his party is questioning he can be morally a leader for his party. >> dan, it was a little bit chilling to hear heather heyer's mother to say i don't want him to call me now. he still hadn't done it yet. that in and of itself felt a mistake. >> emvery instinct he's had, th public has judged wrong or a big majority of the country have judged wrong instinct. why would this be any different from the first statement? why would this be different from the press conference? every step he's failed the test that people think is an easy test to pass. >> i think there's some republicans that are hoping they

can use bannon like maybe this is what gets us past this. how many republicans on capitol hill have that feeling? >> i don't think a whole lot. i was talking to some people on the hill, they were saying bann bannon's departure might make the white house run smoothly but it's not going to change who trump is. the problem is who trump is. i have to leave it there. thank you very much. we'll be right back.

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that's all we have for tonight. hope you enjoyed infrastructure week. we'll be back monday with more mtp daily. the beat with ari melber starts now. >> chuck, infrastructure is our top story tonight. >> i do what i can to tee up, brother. the news tonight, he's out. the most controversial staffer in a controversial white house. steve bannon ousted today and right now new details coming into our news room about all of it. the white house using another friday afternoon to deal with its bad news. bann bannon's first statement as an ex-white house staffer came within the last half an hour after the workday ended. he's telling bloomburg news talk of political war is good for trump and that's because he wants to go to war with