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was given the opportunity to do it on his own terms. bannon is the latest in a series of top advisers to leave the trump administration after very short tenures in the white house. first it was national security adviser michael flynn. then it was press secretary sean spicer. he jumped ship when the president made the decision on hire anthony scaramucci. now, trump's embattled chief of staff reince priebus was forced out after a turf war with scaramucci who was soon fired himself. but the departures could have long term ramifications. he's already back at breitbart news. it reads this. populist hero stephen k. bannon returns home and there at breitbart, bannon could make a strong ally or a very dangerous foe for this white house.

gabe sherman is reporting that bannon friend says breitbart ramping up for war against trump. it's now a democrat white house. and a source at axios said they would go thermo nuclear with breitbart's operations. if there's any confusion out there, let me clear it up. i'm leaving the white house and going to war for trump against his points on capitol hill in the media and in corporate america. and in a report today, late tonight, the weekly standard says, bannon told they will, quote, the trump presidency that we fought for and won is over. we still have a huge movement and we will make something of this trump presidency, but that presidency is over. it will be something else. joining me now is nbc's halle

jackson from bridge water, new jersey. and jonathan swan, a national political reporter at axios and robert cutner with the american prospect. of course they published an explosive interview with bannon earlier this week. thank you for being here. i think everybody right now is trying to interpret the nature of this departure. we know he's back. the there are some reports that it is war now between bannon and this white house. you have bannon saying it is war for trump. but against the establishment, this war he's talking about, what will it look like sf. >> he wants to fight. he wants a battle. there will be likely the war. i think when you say against this white house, we have to be clear. what you'll see is steve bannon fighting for the nationalist agenda that he believes he helped put into place and helped

shape when president trump is a data year and a day ago, brought steve bannon on board. the kindred spirits when it dime ideology. they were sim pat co-. there was this fire lit as then candidate trump was pushing these policies on immigration organization trade, and that really exploded at the time. and let me talk about this departure. multiare sources have been telling nbc that bannon was telling certain people close to him, that he believed he would survive this. but title he was talking about resigning. this was two weeks ago. we are being told it was set to happen earlier in the week. that got delayed because of the violence in charlotte ville. one person said, yeah, steve bannon saw the writing on the wall. but it is not just had a he does at bright b.a.r.t. but what happens to the far right

conservatives who backed bannon in washington. one of them was steve king. he was on a phone call from tanzania and he was extremely concernedest called this a purge of conservatives from the west wing. language that you might see echos. he believed as he disparagingly referred to they will as the northeasterners. he has real concerns on immigration like the border wall and he said this might put pressure on someone like kellyanne conway who he cited as one of the last remaining conservatives in the white house. >> here's something else he said. i feel jacked up. now i'm free. i've got my hands back on my wom weapons. someone said it's bannon the barbarian. there's to doubt i built a blank machine at breitbart.

now i'm about to go back knowing what i know and we're about to revv that machine up and revv it up, we will do. >> you've been reporting this. that kind of message that he's been delivering. it sounds like he's saying, at least to me, i've got some information, some material that i gleaned in the white house that i'm now going to take and maybe share with the public. if you're donald trump, how is donald trump reacting to this? >> i haven't heard from the president today. that i know ev i know that he's been venting about the president. he's saying who does he think he is? one of the things angered trump was this book by the bloomberg reporter, a lot of people close to trump saw as a biography for bannon.

bannon was taking credit for the election victory so trump is annoyed with steve bannon and i can imagine him saying, the trump presidency is oh. it is almost laboratory test designed to enrage donald trump. if you were going to craft a sentence to enrage donald trump, it would look a lot like that. >> your interview this week with steve bannon, he didn't know it was an interview, or maybe he did. this was in the american prospect. bannon openly contradicted the president and challenged members of the administration, despite trump's tough talk to north korea, bannon said there's no military solution here. they got us. he said they'i fight every day. despite reports that he tendered his resignation august 7, effective today, you also bring the conversation ended with bannon inviting me to the white house after labor day to

continue the discussion. so that's an interesting detail. the word was there was imminent bannon departure from the white house but you're talking to him after that happens and he's saying, come see me in the white house. how do you interpret pretty now in light of today's events? >> well, i interpret it, either that he was delusional or that he was proceeding on two tracks. track one is that he is going to have to leave. track two is that he's going to stay and pursue his trade agenda. he somehow thought this would increase his credibility with people at the white house. so my picture of bannon. in interview was a guy who was reckless, a guy at risk of really poor judgments.

but then after denying for 24 hours that he men this to be on the record, he then spoke to the daily mail of all places and said this was deliberate. he did this deliberately to avoid media attention from the events on charlottesville. here's my takeaway. bannon always had a plan b. the plan b was to go back to breitbart and he would be at the white house as long as that was useful to his agenda. and i do think this escalation from breitbart could very well back fire in terms of trump's response. trump does not like to be pushed around. whether you love him or hate him, he doesn't like to be upstaged, he doesn't like to be pushed around and he could just as well decide the wlins the far, far right, the neo-nazis, it served him for a while.

but if bannon is going to leave, if bright b.a.r.t. is going to kick him around, he might make his peace with the far right republicans. >> we're talking so much about what this might look line on the outside if there's a war of words between trump and steve bannon and breitbart. you have this new chief of staff kelly, he's happy to have bannon out of the way now. is this going to change anything on a practical level? >> i think it will, yeah. the factions have been eroded. now that bannon is gone, and presumably, his staff will go as well. there aren't really factions anymore. you have jared, ivanka, who are basically aligned with the national security team.

it is really in the vice president's office. and it is fairly conservative. then you have a few others scattered around like kellyanne conway. i think you'll have conservative voices. a very different type of conservative. bannon was arguing for higher marginal tax rates on the wealthy, for economic war with china fairfaxly protectionist trade policies, total withdrawal from afghanistan and the use of paramilitary operations. that whole voice disappears. and now the remaining nationalist at the top level of the west wing, steven miller, he works within the system. and he's become very close the jared and others. he's not the disruptive force. >> and i'm trying to figure this out, too.

you have some provocative words from bannon and as jonathan says, maybe these words that could provoke donald trump. you have bannon trying to draw the distinction saying i don't want to fight trump. i want to fight the people who are fighting trump. it is what the conservatives said with reagan 30 years ago. we want reagan to be reagan. we don't want his advisers pushing him off course. what kind of pull would a guy like bannon have with the trump base? if there is some kind of battle between trump and bannon. fits trump versus bannon, forget it. we're trump. >> i'll tell you the one person inside that we've spoken to opposing that question, it's not steve bannon who leads the base. it is donald trump who leads his own base.

the president is the president. they voted for donald trump, not steve bannon. when you talk on folks close to breitbart, there's a sense that they can push the agenda. it is not the kind of faction that you think of. reince priebus, mike flynn, sean spicer and now steve bannon, all of them gone. it is so different than it was seven months ago. that much is clear. it is still donald trump who is the face of this. i looked at the lobby of trump tower. he said this phrase and i have heard it repeated back to me. we'll see what happens with mr.

bannon. it hargens back to the idea of paul manafort in the campaign. beginning the process of distancing himself from somebody who was very close to the president, just like paul manafort was a campaign chair steve bannon was right there with the president in the trenches for a long time. >> you mentioned. this i'm curious about this. bannon's finger prints seem to be on a lot of the campaign. a few areas where donald trump departed from traditional orthodoxy, and areas where it maybe helped make him popular. michigan, pennsylvania, the rust belt states that he picked up. infrastructure spending, a different form of tax cuts. the idea of targeting down the scale and not. so toward the rich. going against traditional republican orthodoxy. trump seemed interested and steamed work in the campaign. why couldn't bannon sell him on

that as president? >> what was going on there? >> well, that i think trump already believes these things and was already campaigning on they will. bannon joined fairly late. if you look at the presidency so far, trump with drew from paris. i don't think that was because of steve bannon. i think it was because he wanted to withdraw from the paris climate accords. i know for a fact, trump is telling his team. he's saying i want tariffs in terms of the trade conflicts with china. so bannon was somebody who donald trump instinctively believes a bunch of things. bannon would say you're doing right thing. >> now he's gone. there's one fewer voice doing that. my expectation, and i know quite a few people at breitbart who know steve bannon pretty well. my expectation is that they're not going to attack donald trump. they're going to present it as

an administration in the white house captured by the quote/unquote west wing democrats. they're going to portray a picture as the globalists taking over our movement and donald trump is sort of a victim of that. that's what i expect to be the way they drive he this narrative. i don't know that for a fact but based on that, they are fired up to take on. bannon mentioned the media, the corporates on capitol hill. he didn't mention the people in the white house he's going to fire. i'm telling you he's going to take on gary cohn, dina powell, all the people in the white house. >> there's going to be a jail break of these moderates. i will curious, bob, if that's the direction. if what jonathan is describing is the direction that breitbart goes, do you think that has any

effect is this. >> well, i would revise what jonathan said in one respect. bright b.a.r.t. h breitbart has to keep its lines straight. are i would bet my reputation on the premise even though bannon is gone from the white house, he's still going to have a lot of back channel conversations with trump. he'll be less accountable than he was. general kelly can't control him anymore, if he could even control him before. and trump is fails for having conversations in the middle of the night with old friends. so bannon has it both ways. he has influence as both an insider he who is friendly with trump and an outsider. if he's chairman of breitbart and breitbart is kicking the president, and he's trying to have an in with the president, you can only go so far before

trump feels he's fl i mflam. i think it is bannon in some respects but i think breitbart may discover it as much influence as it thinks it does. there is some small part of electorate. but by no means even a majority of republican electorate. and at some point trump will have to figure out how to play this game. does he throw in with the neo-nazis, the white nationalists, will he try mend fences with more conservative republicans and that will be interesting to see how it plays out. >> and bannon is interviewed. he said he thinks he will push toward establishment of the republican party. we'll see if that's the direction it goes. thank you to all of you. some great information. great insight. coming up, the ouster of steve

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welcome back to "hardball." it is day 210 and it could be the worst week for donald trump politically. of course, we've said it before. comments charlottesville which have left the president

seemingly isolated within leaders of his own party. that sentiment being shared by president trump's friend and comfort dante night gingrich. >> i think he's in a position where he is much more isolated than he realizes. on the hill he has far more people willing to sit to one side and not help him and i think he needs to recognize that he's taken a good first step with bringing in general kelly. he needs to think about what has not worked. you don't have people in your own party shooting at you and conclude that serving going fine. and today, newt was called to apologize for his comments. staying president must take remedial action in the extremest should address the american people, acknowledge that he was wrong, apologize, state forcefully and unegive economy racists are 100% to blal for the

murder and violence in charlottesville. with steve bannon's departure, the president risks even further isolation, this time from his political base. i'm joined by the author, right term blood. thank you all for being with us. let me pick up a point that was made in our last block. the idea that steve bannon is leaving the white house today. he is going back to breitbart. he is talking about launching a war against the people around the president. does that mean that his days of having a line of glungs donald trump, giving him advice, talking strategy with him, could that endure? >> oh, yeah. we've seen that with a lot of the people trump has ejected from trump world. corey lewandowski as an example.

steve bannon and the president had a close personal relationship during the campaign i'm not sure it is as close now. in large part because the president has been irkd by the notion that bannon was the mastermind behind all of this. the president wants credit and that's why he was so pre disposed for letting him go this week. steve bannon may leave the white house but that story is being conflated with the other story that makes this, if not the worst week of the presidency, one of they will. that the president just bungled the response to charlottesville so badly. in doing so, he was embracing the nationalism that bannon represents. even as he is casting this figure out of the white house, the president remains, he believes a lot of the things steve bannon has been criticized for as it pertains to white nationalism, general economic

nation nationalism. it is the reason that they're likely to have conversations as this conversation goes forward. you have bannon saying he will be a moderate, an establishment guy. he said trump will be forced to go with what he calls, the sterm standard republican version of the taxes. meaning weighted toward the highest earners. trump had at one point talked about raising the rate on the highest earners. do you buy it? is there an establishment version of trump that could emerge from this? is there a possibility of an administration that can accomplish things administratively? >> well, trump himself is an empty vessel. aside from the racism and the self-promotion, he doesn't really have views on these issues. they're completely flexible

depending upon the moment. we'll have a three or a four corner war. you'll have the brit barr people laying into jared and ivanka and the president because you can't insult the proposals they put out without in some context, insulting the president. you'll have the business community who is already running from him. two business councils abandoned him. you have members of congress who are about to get shot at by the breitbart people as they go into a very tough mid material election. then you have the people inside the administration who are trying desperately to get something done so that trump has some claim to have accomplished something. and that the congressional republicans can run on something

in 2018. then you have the debt ceiling coming up next month. will they get through next month and the debt crisis? >> for lack of a better term, the establishment forces jennifer is describing there. particularly per te lly perturb she was saying. is this a political offering? a sacrifice here? and is it a way to hit the restart button to allow them to say, okay, he respond in the some way? he got nationalist guy out of the administration? >> i think there will be some people who buy that line. a number of republican there's say at least this person in his ear all day represents white nationalism, advertised his website as the hole of the so-called alt right.

i think that they would be fooling themselves if they actually believed that. there are a number of crises up ahead and the president is uniquely unqualified to confront them. what you see with the handling of charlottesville. those were his words, not steve bannon's words. >> when you had the new chief of staff coming in. all the talk he will establish order, get things under control. does today's development with steve bannon say anything in that regard? >> i think it means that he can manage down. but can he manage up? can he rein in the

self-destructive ways of a president? who always has his phone and twitter at arm's length away. that's the challenge for john kelly. and that's one of the things that will consume his days day, in and day out. the other thing may inflame steve bannon and breitbart, this is a white house increasingly being run by generals. those people will be driving national security policy. they met today on afghanistan and that that you are turns steve bannon and his camp who said they run on an isolationism. they don't like the idea of a more hawkish foreign policy being run by establishment figures. so that will be another point of tension. >> i think he'll be wondering if steve bannon is calling that phone. thanks to all of you for joining

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trump. the earlier statement he read was like a hostage video. you saw the real donald trump come out. he says i'm the least racist person you've ever met. well, steve, time youngest person you've ever had on this show. he and his father were sued years ago for all right race i. it was found that he discriminated against blacks, women and others. and including the stuff he said this week which was full of vile racism. >> are his attitudes on race, this is a guy in his early 70s, 71 years old, he is an outerboro guy from new york city, queens. you go back a couple generations, people think of the famous television character archie bunker. all in the family, is that the

world trump came of age in? >> even worse than that. his father, remember, was arrest in the 1927 flfs a pitched battle between kkk in hoods and the police. trump makes the point that his father wasn't prosecuted. he was only arrested. >> trump flird with a run for president as the reform party candidate. that was ross perot's party. he denounced him as a neo-nazis. >> what do you see as the biggest problem with the reform party? >> you have david duke just joined, a bigot, a racist. these are not the people you want in your party sflfl so here's the thing i'm a little confused on. if you go back in time, donald

trump essentially ran for president. he dropped out in 2000 but he did all the things a candidate would do. one of his major items, he was running against pat buchanan. and he was calling pat buchanan a racist. he was calling him anti-immigrant, a hitler lover, an anti-semite. and everything you heard, it sound like hodge individustage . it didn't sound like that when he was talking about pat buchanan. it sounded like it was genuinely coming from somewhere deep inside. >> donald has no principles. there's no moral core to this man. he will say and do whatever gets his interests at the moment. zonld at heart a con artist. he has conned banks into giving him money and said i knew i wouldn't to have pay they will back.

he's conned many, many small businesses to do work and then didn't pay them. if i turned out tomorrow it would be good for donald's career to go to a mosque, you would see him do that. he does whatever in the moment he thinks will advantage his interests. he doesn't think ahead two, three, five steps. when he embraces the faction of the muslim religion in his trip to saudi arabia, he doesn't think through what that means to others in the muslim world and particularly qatar where we have our most important military base in the middle east. and that's because he doesn't know anything. he just has instincts from which he operates. >> it is a fascinating topic. one that i want to find a way to explore. trump from 2000, to 10 or so.

if he says his transagencial as you're saying, what happened between 2000 and 2010 to get him from the guy who condemned pat buchanan to the guy who back's birther? whatever else you say -- >> the country moved to the right. it moved to the right and he saw big zpunlt donald went after that opportunity. >> thank you. up next, we've seen one major departure after the next. will the door stop revolving now that steve bannon is gone? you're watching "hardball."

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donald trump's presidency is looking less and less like finely tuned machine. almost all the senior staffers have now left the white house. will this mark an end to the constant upheaval to the white house? let's bring in the roundtable.

voice of the republican party. we'll start with you. obviously there's a soap opera quality. a symbolic role he plays and a lot of speculation. it is a big story. in terms of what we'll be talking about a month from now, is this a big moment the say something changed in the trump white house, the trump administration? or will we be talking about the same stories? >> no. the president is not going to change. that's what would require the mayhem to calm down in the white house. steve bannon will probably be the story down the road when he starts attack president or people within the white house.

until the president are decides to have a real agenda, the more chaos he'll create. they're maybe taunting him saying you'll get a establishment agenda. is that right? do you think something will emerge that is tax plan we would have gotten why cruz or rubio? >> i think we should keep in mind is that donald trump came to the campaign with no preestablished plans. no policy. he was proud that he didn't have any set policy that he planned as president. what has been asked repeatedly, what do you want? donald trump has never been a policy giflt i have to laugh when i say. that of course he's not a policy guy. that's not who he is. therefore whatever agenda he

signs no, matter who is with him at the white house. >> how this looks to the outside, to the public, there was all this attention had week the donald trump. the comments to charlotte. bannon has been a lightning rod. does it look to the public like donald trump is getting rid of the guy who was linked to thought charlottesville stuff? >> i think for john kelly, that might be the image they want to pledge. you have this new chief of staff. let's get rid of the guy for what donald trump said. i go back to even well before that. the racial animus that donald trump has portrayed, central park five, the birtherism while obama was president. bannon was not in his life at that time. that was donald trump speaking.

it perhaps enshrined the alt right when bannon was brought into the white house. so his departure i don't think changes anything. >> as a republican, seeing them take him to rest yesterday. i think republicans stood up to the president and create their own agenda and rally against him. this now with bannon leaving, i think it gives a lot of excuses to say hey, wait, calm down. and i think it is so unfortunate. >> i have to say, the first thing i thought, it is old news now. mitt romney said the same thing. >> a quick break here.

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donald trump's skin because steve bannon played a critical, strategic role in the rise of donald trump. it bothered him to the point he wanted the guy gone. >> we have seen that. people that had a part in donald trump's rise, he gets mad at them. this is the guy during the republican convention said i'm the one guy alone who can fix it. he tries, with the exception of blaming everything on mitch mcconnell, he tries to put it forward that everything that is good is because of me and everything bad is because of someone else. >> for somebody who might be asked to join this administration, a credible, solid resume, not just bannon, look at the roster of the last eight months, what do you take away? >> the amount of people who left about the people within who is attacked. that would have me most concerned going into the white house. this president will never fully

have your back. why would grow in for that and risk your reputation? >> basil, that's the possibility, a public feud between bannon and trump. >> i think there will be. with the folks in the white house that may feel they have or may be the focus of his attacks, do they run to donald trump for cover and does donald trump give them the cover they are looking for? >> not unless it's good for him. >> there you go. self-interest principal. up next, these three are going to have the easiest job in the world. i don't know. this is "hardball," where the action is. let's see,

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. we are back with the "hardball" round table. philip, tell me something i don't know. >> this blew my mind, it's only been 101 days since james comey was fired. seems like 1,000. >> tomorrow there is a free speech rally, they are expecting over 3,000, possibly 500 cops on board. it could be a very explosive situation and take steve bannon right off the headlines. >> basil? >> supreme court may take up janice versus asby. does the individual who is covered by union benefits have to pay union dues even if they choose not to be a member and the union is fighting on their behalf? if the supreme court decides

with them, it could affect new york and california. >> were you offering non-trump news? >> i was. >> thanks to all of you for joining us. that is "hardball" for now. thank you for being with us. all in starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> i like mr. bannon. he's a friend of mine. >> he gets bounced. >> it is going to get worse every day. >> inside the departure of the white house. threats of war from the world of breitbart. >> is there going to be a war in this white house. >> why he doesn't fix the problem with race. >> you have to ask yourself, where does it stop? >> another mass resignation from a white house counsel. >> excuse me. excuse