hi, everybody, great to have you with me, i'm thomas roberts here at headquarters in new york. today a protest around the country, in boston tens of thousands marching to protest demonstrators gathering in a unified effort to counter the free speech rally. it is ended though. and then to the west coast. in l.a. as another anti-racism protest is happening there. we'll take you there with a live report. and plus the big story out of washington this week, the removal of steve bannon from the white house and the west wing. the ripple effects that it could

have across the political spectrum. and also the growing controversy surrounding the removal of con fedder monuments in wake charlottesvilles. and we want to start with the free speech rally in downtown it drew thousands out into the streets and organizers say it was not a platform for bigotry and racism. but it petered out pretty early after several right wing speakers backed out. the event taking place a week after a rally in charlottesville which killed one and injured 19 others. president trump apparently watched coverage of the protest, tweeting looks loo many anti-police agitators in boston. police are looking tough and smart. thank you. and then he later tweeted, our great country has been divided for decades and sometimes you need protests in order to heal and we will heal and be stronger than ever before. i want to applaud many

protesters in boston speaking out against bigotry and hate and our country will soon come together as one. so let's go to garrett haake. he's been following the events in boston today. so garrett, here we have the president first kind of characterizing this as the anti-hate and anti-police agitators in boston but authorities we just saw speak about this and they seem pretty proud of how the days events wentz, especially with the thousands that took to the streets. how do they characterize >> proud they should be. by their account, we had more than 40,000 people out here today. and being part of that demonstration. and only a 27 arrests were recorded by the boston police department. so a phenomenal number but you don't have to take my word for it. the police commissioner and mayor just spoke to us a moment ago. let's listen to them having this conversation with the press just a moment ago. >> i was witnessing bottles been thrown at them. i was seeing cones. a lot of insults, but they held

the line well. and although, again, did a good job. 99.9% people were here for the right reason and that is to fight bigotry and hate for the most part here today. >> reporter: all right. thomas, the challenges of live tv here. we're looking behind me at what is left of this rally today. just the signs from the demonstrators. again more than 40,000 strong through the streets of boston. all of them coming here to boston common and essentially squashing that free speech rally. which never really got off the ground at all. just a few dozen attendees. and you did hear the commissioner say there were ugly moments with police and bottles thrown full of urine and not conducive to the kind of dialogue that the folks here wanted to have but if 99.9% are having the positive dialogue and saying they want the president to be president for all americans and based on the

tweets so far today, thomas, it apeer a -- it appears the president was listening. >> there are stragglers left behind and what are the measures to get even out safely as the organizers said it is over? so garrett, i'm sorry. he can't hear us, having audio ieshs. but as we could see and hearing, helicopters above garrett. don't know if they are from local tv affiliates or if they are part of police coordinated efforts but we could see how police units and those on bikes and also just on foot are dealing with some of those that are left behind. again, garrett pointing out there were some 40,000 people that took to the streets today there in boston. but that is not the only place. we to -- we want to take you to los angeles where protesters are

gathering to oppose the alt-right movement. lucy cavanaugh has been watching that and joins us now and tell us what you are seeing on the ground there. >> reporter: thomas. well you could see behind me there is not very much left. a very different picture in terms of what i witnessed from my colleague garrett. we saw 200 or so very vocal but protesters who turned out to protest the so-called alt-right rally against google. the purpose of the rally -- and by the way i should point out that the google headquarters right here in venice beach here in los angeles, the purpose of that rally was to protest the company's decision to fire the gentleman, the engineer who had written that very controversial memo suggesting that women were somehow biologically less suitable for success than men. and this became a rallying cry for some of the alt-right protesters across the country and the organizers of the event have planned nine different demonstrations in los angeles

and mountain view and utah and other places where google had campuses for people to come out and protest google's suppression of free speech. they said. the rally that was supposed to be held here got canceled but the counter protest with people coming out to express frustration with what they see a largely emboldened and growing more vocal white nationalist movement, those are the folks who ended up coming out here even though the protest against google as originally scheduled did not happen. thomas. >> reporting for us there in los angeles. thaurv thank you very much into and joining me now is robert george, taylor maxwell, and republican strategist brian darling. and we have been watching together all of the different protests taking place around the country.

we have the example of what took place today in boston. and the anti-nazi protests really dwarfed this small group of right wingers. but robert, let me ask you, when we think about the amount of people here in boston as opposed to what we saw in charlottesville, how does this compare in terms of police organization, also event organization for people being able to effectively do what they want and achieve a satisfaction of being heard. >> well that is the key thing. i think they were -- they were -- in charlottesville, aside from the loss of life down there, was the fact that the police lost control of the situation. they didn't keep the protesters and counter-protesters separate and we saw what happened. obviously up in boston they were prepared. obviously having -- they had seen what happened in the week before.

and they kept it the -- the peace and that is the most important thing and we could thank god for that and the organization of the police officers. >> and brian, we know that president trump has sent out this series of tweets today in one of which he said our great country has been divided for decades, sometimes you need protests in order to heal and we will heal and be stronger than ever before. yeah, so he also tweeted that he applauds the protesters in boston about this. but brian, the thing that is different for charlottesville the night before, we had that group streaming down, dark streets with tiki torches toward the confederate monument and then these are the same folks that show up the very next day. police had a beat of knowing what their imagery or their intent may be for saturday. do you think that people who have witnessed what happened in charlottesville and certainly police forces have an idea of what to expect from the intent

of what the groups might do in the future. >> i think so. i think the police in boston learned from what happened in charlottesville, they kept the two sides apart. they didn't meet. they didn't fight. it looks like there is still some straggler troublemakers in boston trying to fight with the police but over all, being against nazis, against white supremacists, not a partisan issue and not hard to do and it should be easy for our country to come together against extremism on both the right and the left and to make sure that the people are marginalized where they belong and not taken seriously. and sadly i think some of these events have given them a platform that they like. and that is unfortunate. but hopefully president trump will obviously who had a bad week, can move on and maybe move on to policy issues and try and right the ship of the trump presidency. >> in boston there were 27 folks that were detained or arrested.

i think right now we are witnessing live images of police detaining another person. this is when we heard from the police just in the last half hour about the day there in boston. so out of the thousands of people that showed up, again the numbers not very large for people that they've had to detain or arrest. but let me ask, when we think about the larger imagery here, taylor, and the fact that in boston we know that weapons weren't allowed, virginia was an open carry state situation, and people showed up armed to the teeth. how difficult is this going to be, state to state, where there are different laws and people will show up with different intent and with a right to be there with some type of weapon. >> it is a great question. and in a majority of the states, it is perfectly legal to openly carry a firearm. without a background check, without a permit, without training. and my manicurist has more legal restrictions than your average person trying to open carry in

the streets. >> well, so do you think that we're going to have more instances of folks that saw charlottesville, that feel more emboldened by not only the effect and the fear, the intimidation that was caused, but also the media attention that they've gotten because of this? >> well, historically, i could tell you from moms for action for example, this is something that has happened to our volunteers for years now where we hold events in southern states and were met with armed extremists who are using the open carry loophole to -- to silence us or to attempt to. so it is a pretty standard practice. that is grotesque and at this point it is definitely being used to silence marginalized communities and intimidate and it needs to be stopped. >> and meanwhile, you wanted to say robert. >> i was going to say, one of the problem we had in charlottesville, you've got the

alt-right people as a militia, possibly to intimidate. unfortunately you also had the so-called anti-far people who come in not with guns, but with bricks and bats and one guy had a -- one guy had a blowtorch. so if you are going to really crack down on weapons, you are going to say there is no guns. >> people were turning flagpole news weapons. >> exactly. and we know brian with trump heading to arizona for a rally next week, how do you think or what would you recommend that the president do to try to clean up the muddy waters he's created and the chaotic message where he stands with his own party members, questioning his moral authority and his competence. >> well, we've seen messages conflicting messages in the past week where the president has said some things that just don't sound consistent. so he needs to have a strong speech. a consistent speech.

denouncing the hatemongers. and denouncing the awful things that have happen and to be clear and to be a strong leader and also to get back to policy. because the american people want jobs. the american people want tax cuts. they want to see health care reform. they might want to see an infrastructure bill pass. they want to see congress do something and he could lead that fight. he could lead on policy and try and bring the country together. because as we can see, and as we've seen this past week, the american people have lost a little confidence in him. he can stoep -- step up ant get that back if he shows moral authority and give good speeches showing his moral authority. >> go ahead. >> i was going to say, there is also talk and rumors that he might be pardoning the controversial sheriff -- >> joe arpaio. >> and my view is that i think that would be kind of -- that would be a great way for him to get off message. because i think that would stir up a whole new set of

controversy around race and immigration and coming after this week that is not the best thing that he needs. >> no one can predict what the president would do because he if we do you would say you are crazy because there is no way to predict any of it. it is outrageous and sometimes outrageously great and sometimes bad. >> it is the trump reality show. we have to tune in to see what is happening. >> stay tuned everybody. thank you so much. i want to turn back to charlottesville, virginia. we had a moment of silence today, at the very spot where 32-year-old heather heyer was killed. her mom susan bro honoring the message of her daughter and she said she will not speak to president trump because of his remarks about charlottesville and bro was overwhelmed with emotion while talking the to crowd who sang and prayed if unison to show support to her of losing her daughter. >> we're going to keep it going.

we're going to keep the legacy going and i could be strong at times, but this is when she died, this is when i lost her. >> so there is much more to discuss about the aftermath from charlottesville coming up in this hour. straight ahead, we have the fallout from the removal of steve bannon from the west wing. how it may affect the president's agenda going forward and come up joy reid is hosting politics of hate. she will be joined by a special panel to discuss the aftermath of charlottesville and what we saw today with the anti-racism rallies across the nation. watch "politics of hate" at 7:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. (vo) more "doing chores for mom"

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. welcome back. i want to focus on major changes taking place at the white house as the chief strategist and the divisive figure in the west wing steve bannon resigned from his post or was fired. not more than a few hours after leaving the trump administration, he announced

that he would return to the alt-right news outlet brig-- breitbart. and he said, quote, the trump presidency that we fought for and won is over. now bannon went on to say in many ways i think i could be more effective fighting from the outside for the agenda of the president trump ran on. this is all coming as the president continued this week to blame both sides for the violence that we all reported on from charlottesville. kelly o'donnell is standing by in new jersey. this is where the president is nearing the end of the 17-day working vacation. and kelly, we all know after a long vacation, we've had a couple of weeks off and the weekend before the monday and we dread going back to work. but we have the president being active on social media today. but it is a new west wing. literally in some ways that he returns to on monday. >> reporter: yes, the construction project which was quite substantial including refinishing the floors and other

decorative things in the oval office and lots of different systems and when we were back for that one afternoon it was surprising how much projects were happening simultaneously at the white house. so again that is the reason for being away from the white house for such a long period of time. this is day 16 of 17. and today the president, given the timing of steve bannon's departure, the chief strategist and counselor to the president, formerly the ceo of the campaign, someone with the president for a full year, today a note worthy approach on twitter from the president toward steve bannon. as you pointed out, steve bannon is now enlarged in popularity in certain ways because of his time with the president. so he has his own distinct following among those on the far right. and now he is back in a place at breitbart news where he has his own megaphone, not just supporting the president, but litigating his own ideas and he's been so critical of some is of the other top advisers in the white house calling them globalists, not in a good way.

and referring to them as being much too moderate. so today the president thanks steve bannon on twitter, thanking him for his service and reminding everyone he had been there through the campaign period, against, as the president still called her, crooked litt crooked hillary clinton and he said his time was great and talked about bannon having a new voice at breitbart news and saying that he may be bigger and better than ever before and poses a challenge to what the president describes as the fake news media as more competition. so what is notable about this, is that while these separations at the high level can be difficult, the president is certainly praising bannon, encouraging him, acknowledging the kind of megaphone he's now fully in charge of at breitbart which may be a olive branch or a way to try to keep the peace with bannon so he didn't turn his fire back toward the white house. thomas. >> that would be one that is also unpredictable. like our president. so we shall see how this all

works out because it is going to be a new week come monday and a lot of different ways. kelly o'donnell. thank you so much. great to see you. and i want to bring in lexy mccannon from axy os and brian darling, also a columnist for the observer. alexa, let me start with you. because we see the president finally offering thanks to bannon this morning on twitter and also some encouraging words at breitbart with a jab at the media thrown in at the same time but your colleague jonathan swan said there is i reason he is quiet for so long about bannon. what do we know. what is the tension there. >> we reported earlier that he's unhappy with steve bannon. asking associates, who does this guy think he is. and now praise that might be some sort of olive branch. but last week jonathan swan reported that trump suspects bannon is a leaker. which is something he and his administration have gone after

since the beginning. they suspect he's after this anti-mcmaster campaign that breitbart has been pushing. that breitbart is expected to double down on and it is expected to get uglier. so that is sort of why trump is quiet and why this breitbart tweet today is so confusing, given everything that he knows or suspected about the leaking to breitbart. >> and do you think that -- is that one of the main causes here. he had his been steve bannon had a mooch moment basically with the the interview that he didn't think he was giving on the record that was pretty damning in many respects. a call that he made himself to a reporter based on that reporter's reporting about china and china policy. do you think that bannon has been a problem all along about being a leaker. >> well first of all, let's give credit where credit is due. steve bannon was very helpful with the economic national message that reached out to

disaffect disaffected middle class voters in wisconsin and ohio and and so he did help president trump become president trump an clear tri -- clearly there were some problems. he's been fighting over foreign policy. agree with steve bannon. i think we need a more restrained foreign policy, reports indicate that mcmaster is pushing for a surge in afghanistan, wants a stronger stance versus the syrian government and believes that possibly being more aggressive toward north korea is a good idea. and i think people who are more restrained, more libertarian like they don't think that is a good idea and don't believe in nation building and we think that is a mistake to go in that direction. >> but basic wially in the exam that i was talking about where he spoke with robert cutner, who is the co-founder of american prospect. he was very frank about his conversations when it came to north korea.

and he said that basically bannon went on to talk about economic policy, what he feels is the coming trade war as china and trump's posturing toward north korea which bannon called a side show. so brian, he's revealing back the layers of the president and his competence over that engagement and the type of language that has been used while he's on this working vacation against north korea and their ability for firing a ballistic missile, for having a nuclear capability. >> right. i think he was stating the case that everybody knows, that if we were to go to war with north korea, south korea could be in grave danger of an attack. so i think he was obviously undermining the public posture of the administration. but maybe he did it on purpose. we don't know -- there are conflicting reports of when he gave notice and when he got fired or resigned and maybe this interview is something that he did where he wanted to get the

message out there and knew this was going to be publicly reported. maybe it wasn't a mooch moment. maybe it was something calculated and now look at where he's at. he's at breitbart where he could go after the establishment leadership in the house and senate and he could push back at mcmaster foreign policy views that are nation building and other individuals in the administration that he disagrees with so he could maybe push the administration in the direction he wants to see them go. >> he has a megaphone to be more instructional with the west wing shackles oval office so he had a waiver and this is not new to have him go back to breitbart but technically he never left but jonathan swan also saying that basically that this is going to do nothing to create this truce between bannon and the west wing. so is this time for ban won to

settle -- steve bannon to settle scores that he might have bones with. >> certainly. i think we reported that the mooch was on the loose when he was sort of emboldened as director and steve bannon will be on the loose and go forward with the war against the west wing democrats as he calls them when he is back at breitbart. this liberates him to push ford on the nationalist and the attack and smear campaigns against people in the west wing that he disagrees with. and he's not going to have other west wing officials telling him you should cool it or maybe you shouldn't say those things. he's free to do whatever he wants. they've done it against paul ryan and mcmaster and with steve bannon back at breitbart, the campaigns will only get worse. >> and i want to leave with everybody with this quote to the weekly standard. i feel jacked up, now i'm free. i have my hands back on my weapons. someone said it is bannon the

barbarian. i'm going to crush the opposition. there is no doubt. i built a -- a machine at breitbart and now i'm going to go back knowing what i know and we're about to rev that machine up and rev it up we will do. so, yes that sounds like a free man right there, ready to go rock and roll. alexa and brian, thank you. coming up next, back to boston and we'll update you there about the thousands of protesters that took to the streets, estimations that 40,000 and there were some arrests. nearly 30. but we'll explain what is taking place there as they are working to clean the streets of everybody that were involved today in this and get kind of order back in the boston city for a saturday night. and the growing debate over the removal of confederate monuments across the country. that is next.

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honor jay cullen, veteran pilot killed while his helicopter crashed while on the way to charlottesville, virginia. he leaves behind a wife and two sons. and several incidents of violence against police officers this weekend. and in kissimmee, florida, two police officers were killed. officer matthew baxter and sam howard were shot late friday while conducting checks in an area known for heavy drug activity. the 45-year-old suspect was take nin custody a short time later and two police officers in jacksonville were shot after responding to a domestic dispute. they returned fire hitting the suspect who later died and they are being credited with saving the lives of three women and a baby inside of that home. and a pennsylvania state trooper is listed in critical condition after being shot in the abdomen while trying to arrest a burglar suspect and another trooper was also shot during this incident. the suspect was later killed. and as officers returned fire. we do want to give you more information about the shooting

deaths of two veteran officers that happened in kissimmee, florida. speculation indicating they were surprised by gunfire upon arriving at the scene. so here is the police chief, jeff odell, on increasing difficulties facing law enforcement. >> it is getting tough. it is getting tough to do the job that we've all sworn to protect and uphold and maintain liveable neighborhoods, keep people safe and these senseless acts are going on. >> so joining us now by the phone is ken jacks, a reporter for the osceola news gazette so give us the latest on what we understand about what happened there. >> well, about 9:30 last night, officer baxter basically did a -- a suspicious person check and called for back-up and sergeant howard was that back-up and then like you heard from chief odell, this quickly turned

into an ambush. they were -- may have been some kind of scuffle and ultimately there was the shooting. you had the suspect who is in custody and has been charged with first-degree murder, everett glenn miller. he actually ran about two or three blocks away to a bar where he was -- he was caught there by sheriff's officers who when we then to detain him, miller actually went for his waistband, where he had a 9 millimeter and a .22-caliber pistol on him. what odell called the heroic acts of three or four sheriffs deputies, they went in, attackled him and apprehended him and he was taken into custody about 11:30 last night. >> and ken, quickly, what more do we know about why police were called to the scene. again this is an area known for

drug activity. do we know something that was happening or something that h had -- gone down that -- had had gone down that brought him there in the first place. >> you had miller and a couple of others who were standing on a street corner. i have been mining my police contacts, we can't confirm whether there was actually drug activity going on at the time. but that is what baxter originally was responding to. and had howard come in as back-up. >> all right. ken, keep us posted. we'll let you get back to work. that is ken jackson, reporter with the osceola news gazette. and back to boston with authorities pulling off the dueling rallies in the city. protests against a controversial rally of right wing speakers. they raised concern about potential violence but in the end this was mostly a peaceful day with tens of thousands

on-site. hundreds of police were on hand though to make sure that everything went okay. went smoothly. there was some minor squirmishing no major incidents and garrett haake has been following the events all day and joins me live from boston. so garrett, over all, give us an idea of what has taken place and any updates about arrests because we did have some aerial footage a short time ago that seems like police were taking someone else in custody. >> reporter: starting on the arrest. that is entirely possible. the intersection right behind me had a sort of a knot of protests in it and a little while ago and they broke off down side streets. they are regathering and police are very anxious to clear the streets around boston common and get traffic moving again. so while i didn't see at rest that you are talking about, it would not surprise me. we've seen a small uptick in police activity as they try to button up what is going on out here today. as for the tenure of the prft and the events of the day.

we're standing in front of a wall of signs left behind by the counter-protester,s i what pan down the line but there are a few that have language not appropriate for television show in this time of day. but only a few and that sort of matches up with the general breakdown of what we saw here. mostly 99.9% came because they wanted to give a message of unity, a message to the president to the country that they weren't going to tolerate hate speech and division. now there were some people who took out their anger on police officers. some people who got arrested and some people acting inappropriately. but all day long i've been thinking about something that one of these counter-protesters said to me this morning about who he wanted to see in the crowd of marchers with him. take a listen to this. >> they should by a majority of white movement. i mariean blacks should only be here supporting white marchers

is what needs to happen is kkk and neo-nazis, they need to look out and see themselves and see that they are not safe in their own skin, they need to see there is no shelter in whiteness that they are not going to see camaraderie. >> reporter: so thomas, just one perspective of many out here in a diverse city that has largely handled it self-very well today. according to the mayor and the police chief and the folks out here today for this march and the counter-protest. >> and garrett, the appropriateness of the signs, you what mean is they could be too descriptive in terms of feelings against white supremacists and against nazis so i think we get it. >> there are some four letter words that look good in sharpy but don't look good on television. i would say. >> can you just -- you just e-mail me some pictures, brother. just let me see what you got up there. >> sure. >> make it funny.

garrett, thank you, sir. i appreciate it. so we have this renewed effort to take down confederate statues following last week's violent clashes. and this morning we have duke university in north carolina reef moving a statue of general robert e. lee from the chapel. following the growing calls from students, the statue had been vandalized earlier in the week and then early on wednesday in baltimore they removed three confederate monuments there, including a statue of former supreme court justice roger b. tanny. he was the one that authorized the dred scott decision and that monument stood for 145 years but he was upholding slavery, denying slavered citizenship. and the mayor ordered a confederate statue covered with plywood because they prolibt the removal of such structures. but this is a handful of 718 monuments and statues on taxpayer funded properties across the u.s. and not everybody agrees that

they should be taken down. most notably president trump who tweeted on thursday that it is sad to see the history and cult your ofure country be ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues an monuments. but when he was candidate trump in 2015 after the horrible shooting in charleston, he was for the removal of the confederate flag, on the state house grounds, which then governor nikki haley was successful at having that flag removed from the state house grounds in south carolina. because of roofs affiliation with what that flag meant to him and why he choose the mother emanual church to commit such a heinous crime. and joining me now is and rue newton, member of the group louisville showing up to support racial justice and new york daily news writer robert george is back with me. but andrew, let me start with you. we have again this large number of 1500 publicly sponsored

symbols honoring the confederacy and the president is saying the monument should stay and moving them doesn't change history. but isn't there a way to learn from our history and respect what it means, to make sure we don't make the same miss tick -- mistakes of the past as opposed to the monuments which typically what we learn growing up are a way to celebrate or to honor the memory of truly great leaders for america. >> you're exactly right. thomas, thanks for having me. what we know about the sought statues -- when they were erected it was during the height of the jim crow in the south and they went up in the 60s and 70s and they are commemorative, yes. they are also really symbols of white supremacy to terrorize black folks and get a very clear message across that white

supremacy will reign in the south and it is moving to see that from charlottesvilles there have been campaigns that sprung up and ongoing campaigns across the south as you mentioned and folks are asking the question what does it mean to have community self-determination. do we have to stand for having images and symbols of confederate folk and white supremacists everywhere or can we take place in envisions public spaces that are nor inclusive the loving communities we hope to create. >> and robert we mentioned what took place in baltimore this week, the way they went ahead to remove the monuments there overnight. not a lot of fanfare to it. the mayor katherine pugh expressed frustration with her predecessor about this, the mayor for not solving the issue herself before reaching the office and i reached out to stephanie rolling blake today and she wrote back saying she was pleased to see the

confederate monuments come down if baltimore. but that is not enough. the deliberate steps need to be taken to own our troubled history and teach it and learn from it and grow stronger as a nation and if our country committed to a better education of ow american history possibly we could have a president that understands it. so while the current mayor isn't so pleased that the former mayor wasn't able to do this. at least it is done. and how could other states and other cities use these examples that was initiated by nikki haley after what happened in charleston so see this happen and be sure they end up in a museum as opposed to being destroyed so we don't forget where we came from. >> i think that is a key issue. and i think all these have to be done on a case by case situation. and where there is actually a lot of public debate and discussion about this. i don't think it is a good idea

when you have some just groups decide to destroy -- >> to vandalize. >> to vandalize them and destroy them. because that just engenders more -- >> they lose the moral high ground. >> that is right. and go anddown in baltimore. ten tenny was the author of the dred scott decision and he was also somebody who thought it was important to push back against then president lincoln when he was trying to sort of in fringe on civil liberties during the civil war as well. so he is a complicated -- he is not just simply like a generic slave holder or confederate hero. so i mean i think it is important to have real debate and discussions about these. i'm not sure if it is necessary or a great ideaer not mayor to just sort of swoop down and remove them without public

discussion. even though it is good that they are gone. >> so i think as you point -- out there is a lot of complexity involved and if people do show up and raise their voice about this, they could make a difference. we are covering something like that going in on dallas coming up later and wee seal if they get their way in trying to express their opinion with local leaders. thank you for joining me. straight ahead, spain still on high alert following this week's terror attacks that left 14 people dead and more than 100 wounded. we take you there for a live update on that investigation straight ahead. what powers the digital world. communication. that's why a cutting edge university counts on centurylink to keep their global campus connected. and why a pro football team chose us to deliver fiber-enabled broadband to more than 65,000 fans. and why a leading car brand counts on us to keep their dealer network streamlined and nimble. businesses count on communication, and communication counts on centurylink.

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so the release of balloons right there, we see the growing memorial that have been happening in the streets in barcelona for the victims of thursday's deadly terrorist attack there. spanish officials say they have completely dismantled at terror cell believed to have carried

out at tack that left 14 dead and more than 100 injured. four suspects were arrested and five others were killed by authorities and a manhunt does continue for the alleged driver of the van that plowed through a crowd of pedestrians in lass ramblas, including among the dead a 34-year-old american, jared tucker of california. tucker was in barcelona celebrating his first wedding anniversary with his wife. when he what struck down and killed. and joining me is kristin dahlgren from barcelona and give us the latest on the manhunt for the alleged driver. what are investigators saying? >> reporter: hi there. thomas, veecinvestigators are keeping things close to the vest. they don't want to give up too much npgs on the ongoing investigation and tweeting on they have operations going on around the area but if you see anything not to tweet out the specifics so anyone who they are looking for doesn't get a heads up they are in the area. that said, we do know they have

named at least one of the suspects, younes abouyaaqoub. he is a 22-year-old moroccan born migrant here in spain and he is believed to be one of three men that they are still looking for. and i have to say, thomas, you just mentioned jared tucker from america. i was able this afternoon to sit down with his wife, heidi and our full interview tonight on "nbc nightly news." if you have a chance, please watch. such a picture of grace and strength in the midst of this incredible tragedy. and really a reminder to all of us to hold those that you love close because they were here on las ramblas, and he stepped away for a minute, and that was the last time that she saw him alive. so really powerful interview and a reminder of what this is all about, those 14 who were killed here. >> well, it is a reminder of just how precious life is. and we look forward to seeing yeah report. we will look for you tonight on

"nbc nightly news." 6:30 in most local markets for everybody. kristen, thank you. another anti-racist protest is scheduled to begin just coming a short time from now in dallas. 3,000 people are expected to gather in response to charlottesville and encouraged local leaders there to have that city's confederate monuments removed. we take you there, a live report from dallas next. this is crabfest at red lobster. dive into the classic crab lover's dream or new dueling crab legs with dungeness and snow crab. only during crabfest. now this is seafood. and hurry in to enjoy our new crab melt

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accidental better johnston and jefferson davis. it's more than 120 years old. nbc talked to one of the rally organizers about why the monuments need to go. joins me now for more on this. because we've seen the examples of other state leaders removing confederate monument, do organizers for this rally feel optimistic that local leaders are going to take action at their request? >> good afternoon. well, the organizers of this rally do hope that within the next couple of months some of these confederate memorials might come down. this confederate war memorial in dallas, as you mentioned, it has statues of robert e. lee and stonewall jackson. the march that's going to happen in just a few hours is going to take place a little bit away down there in city hall just a few blocks down. and organizers expect, at least according to facebook, several thousand people have said they'll shown up. although from prior experience the actual people that do show up will be much less.

the question will be is how many counterprotestors there miebl. again, i asked the main organizer why he thinks this monument should come down. here is what he had to say. >> well, it's important because these monuments celebrate the confederacy and the preservation of slavery and the treason act that led to the civil war. a lot of people say, look, you're just trying to erase history, but these monuments aren't history. i mean, we p don't put up a statue of adolph hitler to study world war ii. we're not trying to erase history, but we are claiming the foot and we're not going to be bound by this mythology of white supremacy. >> now, one of the groups that has on which fought to keep these monuments up, the sons of confederate veterans here in texas, they say they will not be at this rally. however, they did want to point out that these monuments, in their view, have nothing to do with racism. we've spoken with several people that have started to show up here and plan to be here throughout the afternoon. they again want to stress that message that they simply want to preserve history.

in their view this has nothing to do with racism. again, this rally is set to get under way around 8:30 tonight eastern time. back to you. >> all right. keep us posted. i'll just remind our viewers that we will follow gabe's story out of dallas, but texas is a state because of the governor there greg abbott sign a law last summer saying you can open carry a hand gun in a ship or shoulder holster. that's going to wrap up this hour. much more coming up in the next hour. also, at 7:00 p.m. joy reid hosting a special politics of hate to discuss the aftermath of charlottesville and also the rallies we're covering today. that's coming up 7:00 p.m. right here msnbc. award winning interface. award winning design. award winning engine. the volvo xc90. the most awarded luxury suv of the century.

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