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protest a controversial free speech rally by right wing groups and authorities there they're wrapping up the intense security presence they had today. the operation that was to keep everybody safe, the protestors and the right wing speakers raised a lot of concern about things, and any potential violence. hundreds of police were on hand to secure this event, and there were some minor skir mishz, no major incidences to report. nbc's garrett headache. we still see a minor police presence behind you, but have they been able to get everybody to go home? >> reporter: well, thomas, they haven't, and that's the problem here. i mean, when we last spoke 25 minutes ago i thought that maybe the violent part of the day was over for today, but now i'm not so sure. the police have staged around the outside of boston common. you can see some of the officers, a few dozen of them lined up here. beyond them there are programs a few dozen more in riot protection equipment. they have been dealing with sm

of these pop up skimmer ishz in the neighborhoods around boston common for the last hour or so. and really this event, the counterprotestors which really was the event today was essentially been over for hours. so what you've got here left are i don't think there's any other way to see it but the people who are here to cause trouble with the police in large part or to cause trouble with each other. and i think that's what we're going to see here in the next little bit. police trying to clear out the last little bit of the area here. but it's really important to note as the commissioner did earlier today, despite a few incidents earlier in the day this was almost entirely a peaceful protest. here is the police commissioner at about an hour and a half ago. >> we knew we were going to have some people who were going to cause problems and we had to make the latest is 27 arrests so far today. most of them disorderly, a couple assault and batter riz on police officers, but overall i

thought we got the first amendment people in, got them out. and no one got hurt, no one got killed and we don't have a whole -- in fact, we have no significant at all property damage to the city. >> reporter: so that's the legacy from the day if the day ends now. 99% peaceful. something like 40,000 people on the streets of boston and 27 arrests. but there are some people who don't want the day to end just yet, thomas, so i guess we're going to see what happens. >> real quickly, though, the ratio of the anti-hate protestors that showed up versus that of the right wing or free speech organizers, what was it? >> reporter: we're talking something like 40,000 to a few dozen, thomas, so i'm not great at math, but for every free speech -- >> that's why we're in tv. >> right wing person who was -- that's why we're in tv. but for every one of them there was at least about a thousand counterprotestors. so, again, that's the whole point. the counterprotestors sort of won the day with their message,

if the day ends, you know, now. but if this gets ugly out here tonight with people refusing to go home and clashing with pol e police, it's a different story tomorrow morning. >> i want to turn now and focus on the white house because there's been a lot of news because of the far tour of chief strategist steve bannon and that's drawing questions about what influence his absence will have on the trump administration because shortly following his resignation bannon announced that he was retaking the hem of the alt-right news outlet breitbart and returning as its executive chairman. in an interview with the weekly standard bannon said, quote, the trump presidency that we fought more and won is over. bannon also saying in many ways i thinkic be effective fighting from the outside for the agenda president trump ran on. this is all coming as president trump continued this week to blame both sides for the violence in charlottesville. nbc's kelly o'donnell is on the ground in new jersey.

this is where president trump is approaching the final day of the working vacation. kelly, the president has been active on twitter today and been talking about boston kind of from both angles. >> reporter: that's right. he did say that he hoped that this would be an opportunity that through protests would come national healing. he thanked law enforcement and the mayor of boston for their good work today, but he also referred to some of those present today as anti-law enforcement agitators, which may draw some criticism based on the sort of proportion that garrett was outlining for us about those who were there as counterprotestors. so the president dealing with that topic. notably he began with the law enforcement, then the agitation and nen kind of got to a message of something that perhaps people were looking for from him earlier when charlottesville was unfolding, that message of the country's need to come together and to heel. so he did say that today. the president also talking about

his outgoing chief strategist steve bannon, wishing him well, thanking him for his time and service to the country and to the campaign. and then also calling him a tough and smart voice who will be at "breitbart news" now. and this is perhaps a way for the president to try to keep a friendlier tone from someone who has just been ousted from a very powerful job. because the mega phone that breitbart will give steve bannon with the kind of backing he has from the far right and the populism that sort of lifted the president into office is the same kind of ideology that bannon espouses and that is something that we're seeing at least with smft top advisers around the president. not in that nationalist wing. and bannon called them globalists, so the president perhaps trying to keep a friend on friendly terms despite the big break up they just had on friday.

thomas. >> okay. frenemies for now. we shall see how it goes when the new workweek starts. nbc's kelly oh only live for us in new jersey. thank you. i want to bring in now ozzy cooffender executive director for college of change. rachel bra vard and gop strategist joe watkins. it's great to have all of you with me. let me start with you, carlos, about the fact it looked as if after general kelly got his job as chief of staff, he was going to do an evaluation, kind of tighten things up where they needed to be tightened up. is had this more of a general kelly move or is this bannon self imploding. >> i would give it to general kelly. is he certainly saw what happened with with scaramucci. that happened quickly. general kelly clearly seems to be trying to impose some discipline. the president, though, the president the person who won the election continues to tweet uses words like ageage tart or more.

two or people to keep your eye on i'm really curious what happens with gary cohn. there's been some pressure on him from friends and former colleagues to leave given some of the things the president said regarding charlottesville. >> some of his former clients gathering up a petition -- >> very powerful. the other person i'm really interested in is general mcmaster who is the national security adviser who you know feuded a good bit with ban oon and now that he's gone what happens with questions on north korea questions like iran. you saw "the new york times" this week that talked about iran effectively controlling iraq at this point. and that's a whole conversation we haven't even gotten into worried as we are things going on now in north korea, china and other places. >> meanwhile with steve bannon going back to breitbart was pretty much theage tart going after mcmaster and whether or not he should even be in that role and someone was trying to kneecap him basically and his effectiveness and leadership for the president. but it was during bannon's

interview with the weekly standard he said, quote, i feel jacked up. now i'm free. i've got my hands back on my women's. someone said it's bannon the bar bareian. i'm definitely going to crush the opposition. there's no doubt i built a [ bleep ] machine at breitbart and now i'm going to go back knowing what i know and we're about to rev that machine up. is rev it up we will do. i want to ask you steve bannon obviously expected to go back to breitbart although i think he had an ethics waiver to continue his association with breitbart while he's at the white house. now that he's had seven months in the west wing w what do you expect to take back, the knowledge that he gets to take back and now utilize that or weapon eyes it through breitbart? >> well, he's obviously going to be able to take advantage of his time in the white house knowing what he knows as somebody in the west wing of the white house. that's a very powerful experience to have had. but he's outside of the white

house now. and president trump is freed up to be somebody who isn't handcuffed by the alt-right or by alt-right views. so you've maybe even seen it today in some of his tweets when he, of course, tweeted positive comments to the protestors who were protesting bigotry and hatred today of the there was a very presidential move. the tweet saying we need to come together as a nation and heel. that's what we expect our presidents to do and now with steve bannon gone programs president trump is freed up to do that kind of thing. but nevertheless i think steve bannon will continue to be a force. he'll be heard clearly. but he'll be outside of the white house and the burden will be on president trump to lead the nation and bring the nation together no matter what anybody else says. >> it seems like the president is always trying to impress the people inside his inner circle as opposed to the people in the inner sirng eltrying to impress the agenda or the moral authority of the leader.

but we do have the president tweeting this morning specifically to steve bannon saying, bannon is going to be the smart new voice of "breitbart news" maybe even better than before. fake news needs the competition. but do you think, rachel, that bannon is going to be more powerful outside of the white house than he ever was in now? >> look, i think steve bannon is going to go back to doing what he does best, and that's running "breitbart news." you know, i think the president needs to focus on what he ran on and what he campaigned on, which is repeal of obamacare and infrastructure bill, free trade. you know, i think steve bannon helped them to some extent appeal to a lot of those states that went democrat before happened, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin. and so i think to the extent the president can stay true to what he ran on he will be null with or without steve bannon. >> when we think about the president being freed up so to speak, what is he freed up to do, because it seems as if bannon was the chief strategist. yk. that's the idea guy. there's no talk about who fills that void for him.

where are these fresh ideas are going to be coming from. >> well, there are no fresh ideas. what we're seeing is like a level of skriz forensica that comes out of the white house on ai consistent basis. you have weeks saying they're going to talk about infrastructure or they're going to talk about something else and then you hear these sort of racist tweets or these attacks on celebrities or all of these sort of different things that separate us from actually the work that actually needs to be done. >> the week kind of goes to hell in a hand basket. american business week, infrastructure week. >> and i think the large -- >> they get blown off course. >> the larger thing is this is not about bannon of the this is not about miller or gorka or the chief of staff. this is about donald trump, a 70-year-old man who acts like a child, who is consistently shown us who he is time and time again and cannot be trusted with the presidency. and the question will be is what will the republican members of congress do? will they continue to enable this type of behavior that sets

our country in a bad direction or will they stabbed up and be the type of patriots we need them to be. >> scott come out and questioning the president's moral authority, corker coming out and questioning competent. when you start throwing out the c word you know you're going down some bad ways. even though the mueller investigation is going on in its own right over here, with gop leaders that are speaking out on this, joe, do you think that there is a real issue for the president to maintain or regain any type of loyalty or interest that the gop had in working for his agenda at this point with no legislative accomplishment yet? >> absolutely. he needs to work hard to regain whatever sense of loyalty that members of the house and the senate, republican members of the house and senate may have had for him. he needs to work hard to regain that. you heard all those comments is this week from members of the house and senate. they know that in 2018 a number of them, every member of the

house is going to be up for re-election. a number of the senators are going to be up for re-election in 2018. and they don't want to be tied to or handcuffed by racism and by any kind of appearance of support for the clan or white nationalist. they want it to be known by their constituents that they don't stand with any of that. so the president is going to have to work hard to regain their trust, their confidence. he needs to pass tax reform, infrastructure. it would be great if there was something done about health care, if they're able to pass a healthcare bill that would help greatly. but they're not going to be able to get all that done by midterms. >> if kelly is like santa claus where do you think p steven miller and sebastian gorka are. >> you know, we forget that the laws have to be passed by congress first before they go to the president, so a lot of of focus isn't on the president's aides. it should be on congress and they need to do the things that joe just laid out, starting with repeal of obamacare, moving on

to infrastructure and tax reform. and if they can do those things, the approximated has agreed to sign them. so i think ate lot of this weighs on the gop congress to get done before the midterms. >> you don't think, though, that if there are folks that made his administration and donald trump himself look incompetent or anti-constitution that that is not a reflection on the company in which he keeps and seeks the best advice? >> look, i think what donald trump has shown is that he is an independent person and that's part of the reason he got elected. that really resonated with the voters and i think the closer he can work with congress and the closer he can get those list of priorities done, the better he's going to be and the happier the people who voted for him are going to be. >> yeah, i think that this republican congress has proven that they were pretty good and actually very good at opposing president obama. but they were more upset about president obama wearing a tan suit than they were about the statements from donald trump comparing both sides. they were outraged about that and sent out basically anemic statements about donald trump

playing foot siz with nazis and racists. >> two things, thomas to play on what rashad is sharing here. you've not seen republicans really go aggressively at him and i think in part because of the experience last fall. you remember that even after the bully bush take place, and trump said something very similar to what bannon said i'm free now, i can do any own thing. i think that's still in the back of their minds. tim scott and bob corker coming forward is interesting. what happened to richard nixon 40 years ago when it was the most classic conservative, bare gold water when he walked across the street to 1600 pennsylvania avenue mr. president it's time for you to go. who are the conservatives who have that level of gravitas and can do that. i think it may be someone that's already on white house grounds. mike pence. so i think we've got a long way to go is what i'm saying before

the president is really fundamentally shaken. >> when it comes to republicans, who remain silent, how complicit are they in kind of approving of this type of poor leadership, this bad behavior? >> you know, there's two two ways that they are. it's getting harder. i think for tim scott, he's the loan black republican right now, from south carolina. very religious man. he's been stopped a half-dozen times in the last 18 months alone. i think bob corker, you've got to be worried about the safety of the country, right, while that chaos happens internally, what kind of things happen externally. by the way, what bannon said publicly about north korea was not helpfulment that actually put a lot of people at risk. so who am i waiting to hear from in addition to waiting from mike pence, tom cotton in arkansas. i'm even be curious to hear

about tom coburn from oklahoma who still carries a lot of weight with people. >> and also ambassador nikki haley because i was on the ground. tim scott on the ground, lindsey graham on the ground. nikki haley there. and she made distinct efforts to make sure that they were going to take care of business when it came to the representation or the encouraging symbols that led to that horrific tragedy. and she also gave the gop rebuttal during the state of the union, but that was until after donald trump had gone on the record with a few things. and she was really strong right then and there. so i think there are many within the gop who can stand up and say something when they find their voice to do so. but that's enough of me. gentlemen, thank you very much. rachel, thank you as well. thank you, thank you. coming up, life after hate. how one group aims to help white

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so a group called life after hate which helps white supremacists leave the neo-nazi movement is in the spotlight. and not only because of charlottesville and the tragedy there, because of the unite the right rally and the devastation, the chaos that white supremacists brought to charls charlottesville and really exploded this into pun view last weekend in a deadly way, but also because the trump administration recently cut life after hate's funding after the department of homeland security had promised the group a $400,000 grant. so after the violence in charlottesville many are questioning why the current administration took steps this

year to rescind funding that work to counter far right extremism and neo-nazis here at home. with me now from life after height cofounder seam wrangle. thank you for being here. let's talk about the work that life after hate does. explain the program and how you're able to kind of give people back their lives who have been radicalized by this attraction to far right extremism or hate philosophy. >> well, thank you for having us. our group is concerned with two sides. we're concerned with community and educating them and partnering with them, doing what we can to learn from them and to teach from our own personal experience. and on the other side, what the community needs to know is that our group, our entire organization from the executive director all the way down to our volunteers and our reformers, we're all 100% made up of people who were once in violent

extremist lifestyles. all the kounders were, myself included. and we believe that every person has the capacity to change, but we need to create and we know that we need to create a psychologically safe place for them to land once they're ready to go further with their questions about their mep ship, if there is actually life after hate, can they conform, can they change. and we're there to encourage to know that they can and to anybody stuck in those lives that there is a way out. >> and explain just from a personal level what attracted you to a violent and extremist behavior lifestyle organizations and what saved you? >> well, you know, this is our -- this is what we know. we all have this in common. we all had a lot of pain and suffering in our child hoods. we all had a sense of some sort of wound, some sort of abandonness. we felt very isolated, maybe misunderstood, judged, isolated. and for many of us who have come

out, it was the fact that someone treated us kindly while we were at our worst, while we were most dangerous, while we were most vicious, while we were most antisocial. there were people out there who could withstand that and basically dismantle all that hatred with their own hugh manty. and we're trying to duplicate that process through the way we reach out, the way we position ourselves in these communities among these people. >> and sam my, you had this 4 # $00,000 grant for life after hate. it was promtszed through the department of homeland security under former president obama. reas i understanded by the trump office. what was that money going to do for you and what are you going to do now with the logs of $400,000 for the organization? >> well, you know, what we were going to do is what we're still doing and what we've always done even before that award and that was we're going to reach out directly to these people and we're going to answer calls when they come in from these people who are either questioning,

they're on the brink of breaking and have reached out in a desperate cause. we've had a number of calls like that or when family members, loved once reach out how things seem to be escalating with a loved one -- >> have you had an up particular with people reaching out or a family member concerned of someone else based on what we've been witnessing not just over the last week but over the last year as we've seen politics become more of a visible blood sport? >> absolutely. and we've seen a major up particular coming from community and family members and sorry significant others, because now that they realize what some of the signs are, they start to understand what this could lead to, you know, what pathway this could lead to, even just from making statements at home or online. people are reaching out to us like never before and saying i'm concerned. and we also have people who are saying i'm thinking about doing something that doesn't sit right with me, can i talk to someone? and that's what that money was

intended to do. >> well, sam my, i encourage everybody to check out your website, figure out ways that they can help you and the good work that you are doing. sam my wrangle with life after hate. thank you. i appreciate your time and also what you're doing. >> thank you for having us. we appreciate your support. >> so thank you. president trump is still getting plenty of backlash from the response he gave for charlottesville, including calls for him to be sen surd. we're going to explain that next. also coming up in our next hour joy reid hosting a special politics of hate starting here at 7:00 p.m. on msnbc.

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bannon's ouster from the white house and also wondering what will happen next for this west wing. we do know that the congressional black caucus retweeted one of its founding members john con yers who had stated via twitter steve bannon is the standard bearer for the worst instripgts in american society. he gave white supremacy a platform. so the caucus itself doesn't think that his departure is itself. yes, bannon needs to go as do other white supremacists working in this administration, but the policies need to go too. meanwhile, after the deadly violence in charlottesville last weengd some 80 democrats in congress including house leader nancy pelosi are demanding that president trump be censured for his turbulent response. >> i think there's blame on both sides. you look at both sides. i think there's blame on both sides. and i have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either. >> so with me right now democratic congresswoman robin

kelly of illinois, a member of the congressional black caucus. thank you for being here. you're among the lawmakers co-sponsoring this censure attempt. we know from history there has not been any type of censure attempt since the senate voted to do so against the president andrew jackson until 1830s. there was discussion about it during bill clinton and the monica lieu win ski affair. what will you accomplish. >> i think we need to use every tool we have in the toolbox in dealing with this president and his comments and his actions and his policies. and, you know, we're trying everything that we can, like i said, every tool in the toolbox. >> when it comes to what a censure actually does, it basically just gets the body of congress on the record. it doesn't really have an effect on the president, and he

probably wouldn't even be bothered by it, do you think? >> i don't disagree with you, but, you know, i think the american people want to see us do something. just today i had a gathering and someone came to me and asked me are you going to sign that? are you going to be a parted of that? i think people want to see some action, even though, like i said, i don't disagree with you. he probably will not be bothered with it because that's the way he seals like he treats everything. >> congresswoman, have you reached across the aisle to any of your republican colleagues to gauge their interest in this attempt? >> no, i haven't reached across the aisle. we actually haven't seen each other since july 28th. so really hasn't been a great opportunity to do that. >> when the cbc chair talks about other white supremacists working in this administration, who is the chair referring to? >> i don't know exactly who he's referring to, but i know we all feel that steve bannon was just

the tip of the iceberg. >> what is your opinion of stooen miller or sebastian gorka? >> i think they need to go too. i think that steve bannon was just the beginning, but i feel like they will -- they're following along right with him or they think like he does. >> tim scott brought up the president having lost his moral authority after his response with his charlottesville many sides, first that and then also with that, you know, press availability in trump tower. also bob corker has come out questioning competent. are you interested in getting back to work here shortly after the break and speaking directly with republicans to find out where they stand, about the behavior they've witnessed and specifically over the last couple of weeks, but in totality of what we've seen since

inauguration? >> well, actually, as i tell people, we speak a little bit more than people think. we get along a little bit better than probably most people think. and i have asked people that i feel comfortable with do you think this is right or this seems a little crazy. so i'm sure that they are quite uncomfortable, most of them or many of them, with his actions and things that he's been saying. you know, some people more comfortable in saying it out loud and some people aren't. and i know one person said to me that, you know, he was in his district saying negative things about him. he has no problem calling out people as he just did with senator mcconnell. and he's done with jeff sessions. so, you know, maybe they don't want to deal with that. i don't know. but i know that some of them think that this just isn't right. >> well, we know that everybody is going to be coming back after their long break shortly. and it should make for a very interesting fall when you do get

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senior u.s. officials today indicating that thursday's terror attacks in spain that killed 14 and injured more than 100 could have been a lot worse. spanish authorities say the attackers planned on using gas canisters to debt nature a big car bomb in barcelona. those canisters are believed to have been ignited in a house explosion on wednesday of the that happened just south of barcelona. spanish officials say they've completely dismantled the terror cell behind these attacks. four were arrested on friday while five others were killed by authorities. however, there is an international manhunt right now for the alleged driver of the van that plowed through a crowd

of pedestrians. including among the dead 43-year-old jared tucker of california. jared was in bears loana celebrating his first wedding anniversary with his wife when he was struck and killed. joining us now nbc's kristen dahlgren who had an opportunity to speak with jared's wife there. kristen, explain the interaction that you were able to have with jared tucker's widow and how she is trying to deal with the after effect of knowing that she lost her husband through such a calculated and horrific way. >> reporter: right. and she's just an incredibly strong woman to agree to talk to us. she really wanted to share with us a little bit about her husband. she said he was loved by everybody, and they were here on not just their first anniversary but really the trip of a lifetime. they had just been to paris and they went to a gon dough la ride

in ven i didn't say. and then their last stop was here in barcelona where one of jared's best friends lives now and so they were visiting him. it was on thursday. they were here in las ramblas. they stopped and got some sangria. they were having a great time. and then she went to look in one of the key osks here. he was going to go to the bathroom real quick and that's when the van just came through and all chaos broke loose. she was separated from him. she thought for a while maybe he was among the missing, so she searched the hospitals here. unfortunately, she got the awful news yesterday that he was mupg the dead. and here is a little bit more about what she told me about what this has been like for her. >> i mean, it's hard not to be angry. it's confusing why anybody would

want to hurt anybody like that. why would you want to hurt strangers? why would you want to hurt anybody? you know, i can't understand that. >> reporter: there are so many families asking those same questions. 14 people killed in these attacks. more than a hundred injured. you can see tonight all the people out here on las ramblas paying true bought to those who were lost and injured here, thomas. >> kristen, great job having that opportunity today and showing compassion and care in a very tough situation to speak with jared's wife. so thank you for that. thank you for bringing that to us. another anti-racist protests that's scheduled to begin very soon in dallas. want to take you there. this is where folks want to encourage local leaders to take down confederate monuments. a live report from dallas next. ♪

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tonight the city of dallas will see the latest protest against racism. it's coming at the end of a really emotionally charged week. and controversies surrounding a confederate monument. so we know the president trump had spoken about the tragedy in charlottesville and had given many mixed signals about his first many sides comments, then trying to do some clean-up work. and then giving a press conference where he chal lepgd the violence of the alt-left. but there is a lot of work that needs to be done when it comes to monuments, confederate statues that stand in many states across this country. so in a few hours from now, coming up in dallas, it will follow what you're looking right there, the protest that happened in boston today. 40,000 strong showing up on the streets there. one of the organizers of tonight's event in dallas, though, is promising that those who join him will be safe. >> no one should feel fear for their safety to come to this

rally tonight. you know, it is going to be a peaceful rally on our side. but we will protect each other. i mean, if i have to jump in front of you and take a punch or a but to protect you, i will, and no one has to feel unsafe to come to this rally. we'll protect each other. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez is joining us on the ground now in dallas in advance of this. we know that it starts in less than two hours. but explain what the organizers anticipate in terms of crowd size. >> reporter: hi, there, thomas. good afternoon. well, organizers expect a much, much, much smaller crowd than what we saw in boston today. still several thousand people sl signed up to come here on facebook. in fact, i'll just show you something we just saw within the past few moments right now. right now state troopers here in texas are standing in front of this confederate war memorial, which has statues of robert e. lee, stonewall jackson. this monument dates back to the late 1800s, and it's not new that there is a debate over what

to do with this monument. this debate has been going on for years. there was a renewed push to take it down following the murder of nine black church goers in charleston, south carolina back in 2015. but it's taken on a renewed urgency here in dallas following the deaths in charlsville last week. city council members came out and said that this monument had to be taken down right away. the mayor here in dallas had said that there needs to be a process here. and so he's saying that a vote on this could come before november, some people are saying that it has to be much sooner. so as for tonight's rally, it's expected to last about two hours. the organizers say it's a rally against hate, and they say, they expect it to be peaceful. however, police here in dallas are taking this very seriously, you can see the barricades in front of this memorial. the rally itself will take place about a few blocks down there here over at city hall where counterprotestors are expected, but they're expected to be

separated from the main rally as well. everyone here hoping that this remains peaceful. thomas. >> gabe, keep us posted and welcome back to you. okay? thank you very much. up next, after the barcelona terrorist attack, president trump told everyone to study general pershing. this is a very interesting thing that the president told us in terms of who to study for military history. so was the president right? critics are saying not so fast. i'm joined next by alan lick man, presidential historian. cha. erin "the sharpshooter" shanahan fakes left. she's outside of the key, she shoots... ...she scores! uh... yes, erin, it is great time to score a deal. we need to make room for the 2018 models. relive the thrill of beating the clock. the volkswagen model year end event. hurry in for a $1,000 apr bonus and 0% apr for 60 months on a new 2017 jetta or passat.

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but the difference between us and robert e. lee is we also did good things like i wrote the declaration of independence. >> you might have heard of it. >> yeah. >> not to be a jerk, but i won my award. >> yeah. >> and i'm sorry, robert e. lee, but i prefer generals who win wars. that is my thing. >> so the folks there at weekend update that airs on thursday

nights right now on a summer series on nbc, poking fun there. we have jimmy fallon dressing up as george washington and seth meyers as thomas jefferson an there is controversy surrounding the president and confederate war memorials but the president responded by telling people to study general john j. pershing. an american military icon but critibs say he's wrong to recommend people study a specific story and allen lichtman joins me, a professor at american university and the author of the case more impeachment. and explain why the president using the general pershing story would make a historian or anyone that knows the reality of that story flinch. >> yes. you know, in opposing the taking down of the monuments, president

trump said we need to learn from history. but in telling this general pershing story, he has in fact not learned from hisory, but fabricated lift -- history. he claimed that he executed muslims using bullets soaked in pigs blood and the result was -- whoever he tells it, sometimes 25 or 35 years of peace that followed. doesn't matter because the story is simply made up. it has been debunked time and again by historians. donald trump doesn't care. he keeps repeating it because he thinks this serves his politics. and there are deeper problems with this made-up history. the philippines war is not a model for today. we weren't fighting some international terrorist group like isis. this war in the early 20th century was a nasty, brutal war

for americans, colonial control over the philippines. it is not a model. and yet even more deeply, this notion that by being as brutal and as inhumane as your adversary works is totally debunked by history as well. just look at the french and algeria. >> and when it comes to just american history, and president trump trying to defend himself and also defend confederate monuments by bringing up george washington and explain the difference between george washington and jefferson to jen lee. >> it is one of the president's false equivalency just like between nazis and but they are in des pinsible to american

democracy. we wouldn't have had our constitution because he provided over the convention. and of course thomas jefferson was the great author of the inspirational declaration of in dependence. a general lee made no such contributions to our democracy and our freedom and unlike either washington or jefferson, a general lee turned trader. he fought against the united states so uphold the institution of slavery and the great myth is the civil war was fought over states rights. if you look at constitution, it establishes states at property and says the states can't interfere with that. >> and i have 20 seconds left but the ghost writer tony swartz tweeted that the circle is closing at blinding speed. trump is going to resign and declare victory before muller in congress leave him no choice. you would predicted he would win and what do you predict he will do.

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