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announcement from martin luther king iii right here on this show as we are just one week away from the ministers march for justice in washington, d.c. with myself and other ministers, marking the 54th anniversary of martin luther king jr.'s i have a dream speech. also, an action to censor president trump a gaining momentum in congress. we will talk with one of the sponsors of that resolution. later, you think confederate symbols and statues are just an issue south of the mason dixon line? think again. we start with president trump's reaction to yesterday's protest. joining me now is yamees yameesh alcindor, an msnbc

contributor. the president started by condemning the protesters then praising then praising steve bannon. it was erratic at best. i mean, get me the president's day yesterday, it was kind of confusing to many of us. >> i mean, essentially i think you have president trump doing two things, at one point he was worried about whether or not there were too many.anti-police protesters at some of these rallies because some of the people obviously are overlapping with black lives matter who aren't anti-police as much as pro police reform. at the same time you have the president going for this idea of praising protests and saying that the nation might need to have protests in order to heal. the interesting thing is that part of the reason why the nation needs to heal, part of the reason why the protests are happening is because the president essentially bungled what could have been an easy opportunity for him on saturday to say nazis and white supremacists were terrible

people and alone were a big problem. instead we had the debacle that played out over several days. now we have a nation pushing back not just on neo nazis and white supremacists but on this president directly and his response to the violence in charlottesville. >> but he talks about a nation healing when he helped to inflict a lot of the injury with his own reaction coming out as he did last saturday, then coming back differently monday and then going all the way back and really in many ways doing what he did saturday on steroids in his statement on tuesday, which has really led to a lot of divisiveness and certainly pain with many of us of color in the black community, latino community and the jewish community. we're talking about neo nazis here and white supremacists. >> i think a lot of people feel

as though president trump as a person actually believes a lot of the things that he has been saying. in other words, this is somebody who started his political career questioning whether or not president obama was born in this country, he's someone who has never apologized for calling for the death penalty when the central park five case happened and those young boys were wrongly convicted. this is someone who people were wary of his racial stands now you have someone in the presidency. tuesday not that he was reading some teleprompter speech that steve bannon wrote for him and he got off script, this is someone who had notes this his pocket and decided to have off on a tangent. what we saw on tuesday was donald trump being donald trump. i don't think he believes that white supremacists are good people, but what he believes is the fact that there are some people, very fine people as you said that would go to a rally

that was clearly a white supremacist rally. that has emboldened the american people and emboldened people that are his critics to really say, look, this is not okay. and his own party, senator tim scott, bob corker, there are people in his own party who have not criticized him for a lot of things that are saying the president needs to change his tone, he needs to get it together. >> and change his policies. more important to people like me are his policies. i was challenged by a reporter, well, are you going to call him a racist? the issue is not his personal bigotry, the issue is his policy. you did a story this week about he used to date a black woman. you can get in debates he is not a racist, he is a racist, the issue is he's president of the united states and how he's residing over this country by defending confederate statues, calling it our culture and

saying there can be fine people at a nzy rally. that is what concerns me, what is in his head is demonstrated in his policies. that's what we should focus on. >> i think and what's also important as i talk to people there are a lot of republicans who said i really support the president's policies even though i don't like his rhetoric and i think that's ll important because people who are actually really worried about his policies you think about the doj and what's going on there with jeff sessions essentially starting up the war on drugs, you think about the epa and them rolling back policies that directly affect people of color and working class people that are going to be the most affected by climate change. there are so many other agencies, you can about housing and the fact they will be cutting millions of dollars, the department of education they will be possibly pushing school choice which might be hurting rural and urban communities that don't always have a choice about where they go to school. it will be interesting to see republicans back policies that people think are racially

discriminatory while you have others that will say, look, while he fired steve a bannon, that's great, but he needs to change the policies. >> let me get into that. thank you as always. let me continue this conversation, though. >> i want to bring in michael stee steele, the former chairman of the republican party and now political analyst here at msnbc and former pennsylvania governor ed rendell, also a political analyst for us at msnbc. let me start with you governor rendell. i'm here in orlando, florida this morning. spoke last night in voe lucia county. here was a county that historically was a blue county, voted blue, voted democrat. this he voted red in the last election for donald trump. how will the fall out now for

charlottesville and his other kinds of situations, including the steve bannon exit on friday, how do you think this will affect him in the midterms and going into '20 assuming he's there in '20 as a candidate for reelection? will all of this matter or are we just too caught up in the day to day drama, governor? >> i think it still hasn't shaken his whole on his base, the 32, 33% of the electorate. i think they're still hanging with him. i think on this issue a lot of them were appalled by what he said, but still are hanging with him because they still think he is their best hope. where i think he has hurt himself electorally is in independence and moderate republicans who voted for him, take the philadelphia suburbs, before comey a announcement

hillary clinton was winging our four suburban counties by 22%, on election day she won by 11%. if she won by 22% she would have carried pennsylvania by 100,000 votes. those moderates are out, they have had enough of him. his policies are bad. rev, what respect i have for you, i think you're always right on the nose, but i think it's just more than policy. i think the president of the united states the way he acts, what he says, his ability to bring the nation together or split the nation apart, i think that in and of itself is a substantive and important part of what the presidency is all about and a lot of those independent voters and moderate republicans have seen this guy, as you said, they saw the real donald trump and they have had it. so i think -- >> i certainly agree, but, mr. steele, let me go to you on that point that mr. rendell made as

well as the politics and policy concern. unlike many people might think, i have a lot of respect for some black republicans. i disagree with you on probably everything including today is sunday, but we have a lot of respect for each other and we can debate and have what we believe are the sincere ways to get to a better nation and a better world. the ugliness and venom that has come out of this president has put people like you, white and black republicans, in an awkward position. will it also affect your political base and how do you feel with it? i mean, you're dealing with one whether he is a personal bigot or not at night on his bed, he has certainly channeled and championed bigotry and he is in

many ways mainstream people getting away with some of the most visceral kind of behavior and acting as if it's some kind of moral equivalence to those that protest hate and anti-semitism and racism. >> well, we can agree at the beginning, reverend, that it is sunday. so we've got that covered. we've got that covered. >> we're making progress. >> we're making progress. we're making progress. you know, i think it's profoundly important, as you mentioned at the top of the show, as a backdrop to this conversation the fact that next week and the coming weeks we will be looking at the words of dr. king again as he marched on washington to remind the nation of its birth right with respect to every american citizen. and i think what we witnessed over the last week and a half

has been an undermining of that birth right for all americans in the sense that the concept of being created equal, while, yes, you can -- you can be a nice person and maybe participate in a neo nazi rally, we don't see an equivalency there. americans who have fought the great wars, both abroad and here at home, have been at the centerpiece, at the epicenter, rather, of finding those freedoms and identifying them for every citizen. so the president has, as you said, put a lot of republicans in a very odd box in that they now have to decide, as i've been reading and listening and talking to people between supporting their president and supporting the very fundamental values of this great nation. for me that's not a question. you know, the reality is those

values were here before donald trump and they will be here after donald trump and this challenge at this hour is for every republican to recognize which side they're on here. this is not about supporting the president. this is not even about a particular policy. this is about what kind of nation do you want us to be and whether or not you will support even the backsliding of an idea that, you know, just because you dress up in penny loafers and an izod that that that somehow justifies your participation in the kind of rallies that we saw last week. so i think the party needs to be very clear about this. i applaud john mccain, tim scott and other republican elected officials who have clearly drawn that bright line for themselves and hopefully will give us a way to draw it for others. >> governor, the fact that the republicans and this president and because of this president

has been in a very negative light in the eyes of many and polls are saying his popularity is at record low, that still does not energy jazz people to come out and vote for democrats. what do democrats have to do? how do they clearly give a message, that, fine, yes, what he's saying is wrong, yes, what he's saying is divisive, but this is what we're saying? because the unleashing of their new theme kind of didn't really launch well, the relaunch, i guess is a better word, really didn't catch on fire. the democrats have to say more than trump is no good. you've got to say this is what we offer and this is why you ought to be passionate about it because frankly i'm hearing a lot of people angry on the ground but i'm not hearing a lot of people saying, i'm ready to

go out there and do what i have to do for the democratic party. >> well, i think that's exactly right. i think even with this latest disaster for trump we've got to do more than say, vote for us because we are not donald trump and we don't support donald trump, because those voters who are disenchanted they are not going to vote for trump but the question is will they come out and vote for democrats? you're absolutely right, we have to be more specific. the better deal press conference didn't have specifics enough. i would have ticked off seven or eight things that we think need to be done quickly in the congress, like, for example, raising the minimum wage. it's a disgrace that the minimum wage in this country is well below the poverty level if you get paid the minimum wage. it's not just people who are at the minimum wage. when you raise the minimum wage it has the affect of raising wages almost all the way up the

spectrum. we have to point that out. we have to talk about a real infrastructure bill that invests real federal government dollars in revitalizing and repairing our infrastructure and making it safer, more competitive, but also in creating millions, literally millions, of well paying jobs that can be held by people without college degrees. so we need specificity, we need to lay it out. >> all right. thank you both. i've got to cut it there. thank you, michael steele, thank you, governor ed rendell. coming up, ken soring president trump. i will ask a member of congress if he believes there is enough support to pass a resolution to do just that. switch to flonase allergy relief. flonase outperforms the #1 non-drowsy allergy pill. when we breathe in allergens, our bodies react by overproducing 6 key inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms.

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trump is gaining momentum in congress. it revolves around the remarks he made about the deadly violence in charlottesville. on wednesday three house democrats announced their intent to condemn the president for saying, quote, both sides were to blame between white supremacists and counterprotesters. joining me is one of the sponsors of that resolution, new york democratic congressman jerrold nadler. congressman nadler, will this be a symbolic gesture or can you really get enough votes to pass a censureship for the president for his divisive statement? >> we don't know yet. since we announced this on wednesday as of friday we had over 100 co-sponsors, the democratic leadership is now supporting it.

so that's substantial support in two days. we have as yet as of friday no republican support. the question really is will the republicans step up and do the moral thing? not only president trump but republicans generally have been cozying up to racism and making racist appeals ever since richard nixon and now it's gotten to the point where we believe -- i think that it's really incumbent on the republicans to show their revul shon at what the president said and did and it's incumbent on congress to say to the world that the president does not -- in this instance did not speak for the country. and we will see. this is a test for the republicans. >> well, one of the things that struck me at the dinner i spoke at here last night in volusia county, florida, that went for trump is there were a lot of whites and blacks and some that had said they were conservatives they were at the dinner. can this censure vote be a roll

call on which republicans refuse to stand up and censure the president on obviously a statement that at best gives comfort to the bigots and self-described neo nazis and who even praised him for the statement? you're running for reelection, do you want to be on the list of those that can be said by the jerry nadler's of the world they won't even vote to censure the president's statement on this particular expression of bigotry? >> well, hopefully this resolution will be exactly that and will be such a test, but the first test will be whether the republican leadership allows a vote at all on the resolution. there are some procedural ways to ensure that, but basically the republican leadership which controls the house makes the initial decision as to whether they will allow the resolution to come to the floor for a vote in the first place, but we certainly hope it will come to the floor and it will be or

should be a test for republicans as to whether they will go along with this racism or will finally repudiate it and say that the republican party is -- the republican party does not stand for this kind of racism and in censuring the company to say to the world that the united states does not stand for this kind of racism. >> as this coalition builds, we have a lot of people around the country marching next monday, rabbis and imams and others are joining we that are christian ministers in this 1,000 ministers march. can we build and keep that kind of coalition to pressure the congress on policy matters that comes out in terms of protecting voting rights and healthcare and other things that you have fought your whole career in. you are my congressman. >> well, thank you. i certainly hope so, but the fact is that for the last -- well, since about 2006 at least,

in 2006 congress overwhelmingly reauthorized the voting rights act for 25 years, the supreme court unfortunately threw that out a few years later, but that was the last time that we've seen republicans support in any numbers measures to liberalize voting, to help achieve equal rights. since then the republicans in state after state have done everything they could under the rubric, the false rubric of voter fraud to make it harder for minorities to vote, to cut down on voting days, cut down on voting places, to use -- to require voter ids of the type that not middle class people don't often have, like driver's licenses and so forth. so there are active attempts in many states by republicans to this day to cut down on voting rights, to make it harder to vote and we have to fight this.

hopefully we will see republicans joining us in repudiating those actions, but right now we don't see that. >> well, we must people raising those issues and fighting that fight. thank you, congressman. >> thank you. >> jerrold nadler. up next, my conversation with martin luther king iii as we approach his father's 54th anniversary of his historic i have a dream speech. and the new march on washington, that message has inspired. we will be right back, live with martin luther king iii. ♪

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lee. the army denied the request saying that renaming the century old streets would be, quote, controversial and divisive. with a nation reevaluating confederate history this week i want to caution those that associate white supremacist imagery squarely with the american south. that you should understand fort hamilton is only a few miles away from our studio home in manhattan. in my hometown of brooklyn, new york, and it is a story i know very well because two years ago i led a group of activists at national action network demanding those very streets be changed, the names of them be changed in ft. hamilton, but i want to keep your focus on the location because brooklyn is obviously nowhere near the historical confederacy, yet it is also not being alone in a

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racism is an american problem and while boston is far from charleston, both cities have troubled racial pasts and presents and when it comes to race relations, those on the east coast should not think themselves above those on the gulf coast. i mentioned my hometown of brooklyn earlier, while new york state's urban centers gave the state to secretary clinton in november, the rest of the state was bright red for trump support, proof that the southern strategy works even on yankees. i lament the violence that has transpired and may continue to transpire, but i also am heartened by the consistent cry from so many americans that we must be better, but in order to

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welcome back. with this week's events though in seems even more important than ever on august 28th, just over a one week away i will be marching in washington, d.c. with several other ministers in a march for justice marking the 54th anniversary of dr. king's "i have a dream" speech and taking the trump administration to task for endangering that dream. to register visit

nationalactionnetwork.net, sign up and stand up. now joining me live is martin luther king iii. first of all, martin, thank you for being with us this morning as we prepare this march. before i get to the march, though, last night we lost a very key ally of your father and you and myself in activist comedian dick gregory. i know he marched with your father, went to jail with your father and decades later went to jail with you and i in st. louis protesting construction sites on i-70. so he went to two generation of kings, a real iconic figure in civil rights and entertainment. >> absolutely. and first i just want to share my condolences to his wife leanne gregg ri and the ten children that they have as well

as his grandchildren and great-grandchildren. we lost a giant yesterday as you have stated, reverend. i started reminiscing yesterday as i remembered all those times that you and i and he were in jail together fighting for justice, but this man will never be forgotten. fortunately we have on the internet a lot of the body of work that he has been involved in, but he was like a father figure, actually, to me, mentored me on many occasions and i will sorely miss this great, great spirit and i know our nation and world will. >> no doubt about it. as we commemorate the 54th anniversary of your father's speech, a speech that has resonated all over the world, you and i talked the other day and you came to a conclusion that i want you to share for the first time with the public this morning about this ministers

march and about where we are at the 54th anniversary of your father's speech. >> yes, rev. as we approach the 54th anniversary, number one, let me applaud you for already -- this demonstration was called long before the charlottesville, but i think it's important to actually engage in this sway because in my always judgment our religious leaders have the moral authority and when religious leaders come together, i mean, if we could ever just get the church and i'm just talking about baptists to do one thing together consistently we could change the planet. the fact that christian leaders to jewish leaders to muslim leaders to others are coming together is significant and i am honored to be able to lead with you to lead this effort of

religious leaders. the time is now. there is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come and certainly this idea before, as i said again, charlottesville, was already brewing and i think is going to be extraordinarily significant because these leaders will go back to their communities and mobilize and organize their communities. ultimately change will come. it only takes a few good women and men. i think dad showed us that throughout his life and his example and my mom later on showed us that as well. >> now, you coming to help lead this march of rabbis and ministers and imams and others means so much to us. i mean, you are dr. king's son and you bear his name. i think that the significance is twofold, one is that two weeks after the ugliness in

charlottesville we will have rabbis and baptist ministers and other christian ministers and buddhists and muslims on the front line with martin luther king iii at the memorial of martin luther king not robert e. lee showing america unity. the other part is that this president you tried to communicate with, you met with him, you took flak for it, but you said that you come out of a tradition of your father where you reach out and you try to create understanding. it's going to be hard for him to demonize you making this appeal. how do you navigate that in and what do you hope comes out of your statement, your speech? you are probably the only non-clergy person making a major address next monday, but i think the president will have a hard time demonizing you, martin. >> well, i don't know if that's the case. i'm not even concerned about that. i think the fact of the matter is as dad often did, as well as

my mom, you don't attack an individual, but you have to be concerned about the policies that the individual will actually promote. and the policies are what we are dealing with. we've got to change policy in this nation and then work to change minds and hearts. i think my father and mother would have been a part of this effort, would have been pleased to be a part of this effort because, again, it's a moral authority. and i think the nation shows us, i think yesterday in boston, the nation showed us that women and men, good people, i mean, masses of people came together, probably over 50,000 people were marching in boston yesterday. that shows us that men and women and families in a positive way, there was no -- i mean, there were arrests, but there were very minor arrests compared to what was going on. so, you know, i just think we are at a unique juncture and let me finally say this, rev, we are

at a time next year as we approach the 50th anniversary of dad's assassination where non-violence needs to be heard and introduced in a little bit of a different way and one of the things we expect to be able to do and hope to be able to do is to launch a non-violence initiative. not just here in the united states, but throughout the world. i believe that far more people want to embrace non-violence than not. dad used to say man must learn non-violence or face nonexistence. we are at that critical juncture with so many things, whether it's north korea, whether it's iran, whatever is going on, whether it's the middle east, we must learn non-violence or we might face nonexistence. >> martin luther king iii announcing here he will help lead that ministers march monday week on august 28th, the anniversary of his father standing in watching giving the world a dream, a dream that we

will not allow to be endangered policiwise. thank you so much, martin, and we will see you on the 28th. >> thank you, rev. coming up, the challenge to remove symbols of the confederacy across the country.

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of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strive. to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered. despite the hoards of white supremacists we saw defending the statues last week even a confederate like lee understood the thin line between retrospect and resentment when a nation it at stake. on monday the city of baltimore voted unanimously to remove a statue of lee and three other confederate monuments. the response of its mayor and mostly black city council who seemed to get lee's message better than his so-called defenders. by wednesday morning the statues were gone, removed overnight due to public safety concerns and the prevention of civil strife.

>> joining me now is catherine pugh. mayor pugh, you did it in the stillness of the night as the kids in baltimore say with the quickness. what would you advise other mayors to do and how they should operate both in the interest of public safety and in the interest of so many of us that see these as symbols of fate and bigotry? >> well, you know, i think that what we did was for baltimore city and i think that everybody has to make their own decisions, but for me it was about removing them quietly and as quickly as possible. i had a great meeting with the president now of the u.s. conference of mayors, mayor landrew who removed four statues in may and talked about what he had gone through and we had a process that had been set in place in 2015 through a

commission task force that studied the issue, made some recommendations but it was will the the climate i thought that was occurring in this country, the hate that we do not need to exacerbate in this nation and that we ought to be focusing on how we unite our cities, how we unite and o country, how we unite the world. there's so much violence going on and i did not want to see that he can you are in our city. we have gone through hard times, we're moving our city forward, we have great efforts in our city so i'm looking at how we increase employment in our city, how we deal with those who are coming out of our institutions who need jobs and so forth and how to make sure that we understand that inclusion and diversity is really important to all of us and the more that we acknowledge that the better we all will be as a country, as a city and as a state. >> but as we move as you desire and as mayor landrew in new orleans dealt with this way before charlottesville and dealt

with it with a lot of backlash but he stood up anyway, how do we move forward with inclusion? how do we move forward with healing when you have the president of the united states saying these monuments represent our culture, represent our history? represent our culture, he never defended these st statues on tuesday. >> that's why we're mayors, we're congress people, we also have responsibility for the direction of our cities, our states, our country. i felt in the best interest of this city, and i think every mayor, every governor will take a look at this tarl situation and how it relates to the confederacy, nobody wants to see violence, nobody wants to see these kind of marches taking place because, one, they impact your cities and states in a negative way. we must as leaders assume our role and responsibility. according to my city's charter,

i have the responsibility of protecting the citizens of baltimore. >> as you have tried to deal with the problems in baltimore from gun violence in the street to police reform, even the consent decree and all, as we move forward and as you try to wrestle with this as a newly elected mayor, what are you challenging the people in your city to do to do that? because none of this can happen unless everyone puts their shoulder to the wheel? >> first of all, we have to stop the violence. i think martin luther king jr. said it best. you either stop violence or end of destroying yourselves. we have to look at the destruction taking place in our neighborhood and communities because we have too many illegal guns on the streets but at the same time when i look at baltimore and how we look forward, it's as how i as a

mayor goff eavern up. look that we're being diverse, we give those unemployed an opportunity, you look at colleges and institutions, you ask the question, are there opportunities for those who cannot afford to go to college to be able to do that. we opened up baltimore city community college in our city, made it free. another college, four-year institution, has followed us in that effort. and if our students -- if they finish community college, they can go to a four-year college for free. i think it's how we realize economic opportunity has to be spread. we just recently got $10 million to expand minority businesses in our city. we're grateful for that. i'm just telling you, its how we all work together, looking at of aspect of our administration and making sure that we're leading and not following. >> well, thank you so much for joining us this morning, mayor katherine pew of baltimore,

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when word came to me last night that dick gregory, the iconic activist and entertainer, had passed, i thought about the words of mark twain, saying the two most important things in life is the day you are born and the day you find out why you were born. dick gregory found out why and never deviated. from the height of his entertainment career, he became i civil rights activist, stood up with martin luther king, was in jail in the early days of the civil rights movement when entertainers and people that had been able to perform in clubs with the rich and the wealthy

and the white could not do it, dick gregory was one of the few that could, but he gave all of that up to fight and become the civil rights icon that he was. he knew why he lived. he never stopped. because even the next generation, those of us that were 20 or more years younger than him, he fought with us. i met him when i was 16 years old, just three or four years in the movement myself. i used to have a poster of him at home in my little bedroom. when he ran for a write-in candidate for president and all the way through he and martin were going to jail, all the way to just a few weeks ago, went to see him at b.b. king's perform, dick gregory was constantly there. now, he'd get in your occasion he'd spank me, he'd correct me, but he always was moving forward. he always was determined.

he always wanted to fight for justice for everyone. he gave up an entertainment career of materialism to gain a life that meant so much to so many. he'll rest in peace because he lived in peace. he knew why he was here. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next sunday.

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