lot of racism that exist s in this country. >> gregory spoke to a baltimore audience including president trump. >> you look at trump. there is got to be something wrong with him. you black folks believe that he's anything other than a junk. gregory was 84. that wraps up our show. "meet the press" is next. >> this sunday after charlottesville. president trump makes his argument to blame both sides. he's quoting the nationalists with the protesters. >> what about the alt-left that came charging as you say of the alt-right. >> did the president lose his moral authority by failing to condemn white supremacists, the clan and neo nazi. i will ask jason what the and the ambassador of the nation,

andrew young. and plus those white supremacist in charlottesville. >> news will not replace us. >> we'll take an inside look at last week's mayhem and at the men behind the march. >> sadly because of our rivals are a bunch of stupid animals that we don't pay attention. they could not get away from the car. >> also, a debate, is it better to ignore kkk or con frofront t. joining me is eugene robertson and donna edwards and and peggy noonan point welcome to sunday, it is "meet the press." >> the longest television show in history celebrating its 70th year, this is "meet the press"

with chuck todd. good sunday morning, years from now this is not remembered as a week that steve bannon left the white house. his departure may have consequence in the months to come. he was widely expected even by him. this was the week for choosing sides. president trump seems to choose his. though this may not have been his intention. the president's equivocation over to blame. here are the cover of three national magazines. some may seem liberal biassed and the economists on the right often does reflect international. the largest in boston were some 40,000 people gathered and 33 people were arrested for mostly disorderly misconduct. mr. trump chose to be the president over red america over the country healing.

democrats have it easy. their voters expect them to criticize this president. the elected leadership are desperate to criticize but quietly waiting for permission slip for voter to speak out. all of this for another typical week for president trump both sides now to the bannon's white house exit. >> days after the president would not commit to keeping him on. >> mr. bannon came on very late. i went through 17 senators and governors and i won all the primaries. >> steve bannon is out. captured on the cover of "time" magazine and "saturday night live" where bannon was the puppeteer pulling the president's string. >> and casualty of the fight he

started inside the white house. now, bannon tells the weekly standard, the trump's presidency that we fought for and won is over. i feel jacked up and now i am free. i got my hands back onto my weapon. that weapon, bannon is back on breitbart. many believes that president trump and not steve bannon is the problem. >> the president has not yet able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. he also recently have not demonstrated that he understand the character of this nation. >> what we want to see from our president is clarity and moral authority. moral authority compromised when tuesday happened. this after trump's bla blamed b

sides. they came at each other with club and vicious. you had many people in that group other than neo nazis and white nationalists. >> former mitt romney called for the president to apologize. mr. trump's response should not be a surprise. a year ago, bannon was brought into where i a campaign that was flaring after mr. trump refused to stop attack a muslim gold father. >> i was viciously attacked on the democratic national convention stage by mr. khan and i responded. 18 months ago, mr. trump failed to confront white nationalists on the campaign trail >> i don't know anything about what you are talking about white supremacy or white supremacists. six years ago, mr. trump

launched his career with the false claim that the first african-american president was not born in the united states. >> you are not allowed to be a president if you are not born in this state >> the white house was unable to unwilling to provide a guest right down in the press secretary. one republican who is willing to talk is jc watt. thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me back. >> why is it easy for you to come out. you are here this morning. why do you think so many of your former colleagues who currently are the leaders of the republican party are hesitant? >> well, chuck, i said earlier in the week that i am not concerned of what others are

thinking or what they are saying. my conscious would not allow me to keep quiet and when i was asked, my thoughts on this issue, i chose to speak out simply because i think all presidents have what we call and what i call right now moments and everybody, republicans and democrats and every president is going to have a right now moment. i think president trump had a right now moment last weekend and i don't think he responded the right way. reverend martin luther king say, i am an air to rope, fire and murder. he said i am not angry about that. i am not ashamed of that. i am ashamed at those that would be so inhumane that they would do that to other human beings. when circumstances like last weekend happened, i think we

need more clarity, a president speaks for himself or his values and those right now moments and he speaks for the values of our country and you saw the exodus and many people replies, those are not our values of the country. we have someone from the president faith council that resigned. reverend bernard out in new york. i am quite disappointed. chuck, we did not have more on the faith council to resign or at least speak out and so i just felt like when you ask me, would i? >> i said that i would be delighted and come and share my thoughts. >> let me ask you this, it sounded like you think the president lost moral authority, how does he regain it?

>> well, chuck, i think any president always has to have multiple advisers in council. i think that's important. not only should you have them, you should listen to them and when i don't know anyone in a circle would be able to say to him, mr. president, when it comes to civil rights and race issues, let me give you some hindsights and some insights and foresights on these issues. the last several months, he has more than one right now moment. when you coronet to gintinue to impression that you don't understand of being the

president of the world. those are the values of your country. people around the world takes note. >> it feels like the party is stuck politically. we are a little bit stuck as a country. what you are saying o f the president and you are not alone and being concerned about this. how do we get unstuck or repudiate in his comment or some people misheard him to be genero generous. >> chuck, one thing i will agree with president trump is this. the racial divide did not just happen when donald trump got ele elected. they did not just happen when president obama got elected.

they were heightened and intensified over president obama and it carried over the trump's administration. jc watts as an elected official and a leader if you will and president obama or president trump, we all have obligation as leaders to not put salt in the wounds and bring a decency and respect to the wound. when you have people like my 2-year-old granddaughter because of her skin color would say she should be eradicated or on the face of earth. we don't want to live in harmony with her. chuck, she does not know those people. when any of us speak to the side of evil or we maybe intentionally given the impression that we are siding with the evil --

>> that's a tough ditch to get out of. >> if you are serving in congress and you are in leadership, how would you handle president trump right now. >> would you try to work with him? if he does not repudiate, would you have this uncomfortable distance from him? >> what's your advice to paul ryan and mitch mcconnell to these folks? >> first of all, there is opportunities to use your words to repudiate the president over the last seven or eight months and obviously, during the campaign. he got elected so he's the president. and over the last several months, there is opportunities to disagree with the president on many issues and you know this is not a time for us to be afraid of being tweeted. you know this is not a time to suppress our conviction. i know a lot of those members of congress and they don't think

like that. they don't think the way the white supremacists or the kkk. however, if you are silent, they wear the cap of intentionally or unintentionally, they wear the cap saying we agree with that and thank god for being sad or rand paul or john mccain or lyndsey graham. those members came out and said we totally disagree with that. that's not who we are and not the country that we live in and not the party that we want to represent. jc watts, i am going to leave it there. congressman from oklahoma, good to see you, sir. i appreciate it. >> yesterday i spoke with one of the early leaders, andrew young. he was the executive director of the southern leadership conference, afterwards, he was also the u.s. ambassador of the

united nation. today he's chairman of the andrew young's foundation. when i spoke to him, i asked him to put of this week's in context. >> we originally redeem the soul of america from the triple evils of race, war and poverty. most of the issues we are dealing now are poverty. we still want to put everything in a racial context. the reason i feel uncomfortable condemning the plan type. they're almost the poorest of the poor. they're the forgotten americans. they have been used and abused and neglected. instead of giving them affordable healthcare, they give them jobs and they're happy.

that does not make sense in tod today's world. they see progress in the black community and television and everywhere else. it is not our fault. we had a struggle from slavery but -- they're not militants, they're chicken. we never try to take advantage of anybody else. our job was not to put down white people. our job is to whip everybody up together to come so that we would learn to live together rather than perish together. >> it feels like we are in a moment where we are stuck and we are stuck for a lot of reasons. the president, you have some even said that there is a growing folks who lost his moral

authority to be a healer in all this and to help with reconciliation of all this because of what he did. if he called you this week, how would you tell him to fix it? >> i don't know what i would say. i think he's caught in a trap. >> i don't think there is any easy answers. >> what's the trap? >> he's still politicking and thinking nationally. and so is everybody else, including those who's thinking back and blame it on the civil war hundreds of years ago. the problem that we have is we are not living in a nationalist environment. his business is all global.

his business is in a global economy and he's trying to run the country from a national economy. >> you just say, you don't know what -- you don't know how he can get out of his trap. what would you tell him now? >> i don't know. for instance, i think -- i mean it is hell to pass a bill and hell to change an attitude. and almost any changes i tell you what, i admire his family the things that the president had to do is think of the american people. i try to think of him as a potential leader and not as the united states. a leader of the free world and

of the enslave world. you co >> you come from the non violent movement that was successful. what do you say to those activists to generations later who thinks violence is the right way. >> no, it is more than five generations later. >> there is those who thought violent then. they were killed by their own anger and inability. >> and if i swung back at it, he would slap me on my head. don't get mad, get smart and

that served me well. it served me walking in the midst of the clan and alone at night without a gun and without police protection and the only reason that i did was the only ones who were courageous enough to go with me and insisted that go with women and children. the men, you know hide behind all kinds of solutions but we have to keep our eyes on the prize. and the prize is not vengeance, not getting even but the prize is redemption. >> also, mr. young, the confederate symbol debate. he says removing these symbols can be more trouble. because of that, it stayed lost millions of dollars. >> the shocking video that

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welcome back. panelists here, washingt welcome back here, panel lists, eugene roberts and mr. hays. welcome. >> no offense, steve, peggy is an nbc analyst. with that. welcome to the team. >> thank you, it is graeat to b here. >> you said concur that the

president essentially does not have moral authority right now. can he get it baa ck? >> one of the things we were talking zaabout and you showed, thought were fabulous interview with jc watts who were so brazen and an grew young who seems so wise at a grandfatherly putting the sub texas of the questioning is has the president lost his moral authority because of the events in the past week. i thought about that and i think the problem for him is that he did not lose his moral authority because he did not have moral authority and you cannot lose what you do not have. the whole twist tale of the first seven months of his presidency is i know i am unusual and i am different and i have things that have been offensive to people in my past and however, i am going to grow

into this figure who was a serious moral. serious guy. this was a moment that he did not do that. one of the baseline things that you want from the president during the crisis is you want a calm in the storm. you want a stable center, you don't want a guy who loses his temper and starts talking like this and gets defensive and making everything terrible and further apart. >> well, you cannot lose or have more authority, you have to have more accomplice and more saying. >> i see no evidence that donald trump has that. >> he flips from issue to issue and position to position and what he probably sees as a big pragmatic way and pragmatic to and disaster and amoral.

and it was maya angelou says if someone shows you who you are, why don't you believe them. >> he showed to us time and time again. steve hayes, whether he spendind or not, he did not mean what we heard. we heard from a reality. good grief. >> pretty tough of what happened with donald trump this past week. here is the bigger question. donald trump is pleased with where we are at this moment. he looks at the praise that he's got and he looks at the em

behold embolderment of the white supremacists. he looks around and he's happy about that. steve bannon says this was a turning point for the presidency in a positive direction. so it is not that the president made the mistake but the president compounded the mistake by the way he handled it since. he's going to say you know what, i repudiate what i said. there should not be any confusion of how i feel about this group. he's happy and those of us who have fought the identity of politics of the left for many years, it is incredibly discouraging of this embrace of the right. >> all right, i am going to go back to the same question that i asked jc watts and jodonald you. >> -- donna edwards.

>> we can see that over the course of the last week and demonstration and the moving remark by susan bro the country has a moral compass even in the president does not. that's how he moved past this. we have a president who started in his early days in business to the birthism and campaigning as president. he's the same president as he was the same man, i don't think that's going to change. >> i think we should no longer expect what we expect in the president in moments like this. >> i think ronald reagan, for example, after the challenger disaster where he came on a

beautiful speech that you wrote for him, and an amazing moment, we'll never get it from donald trump, we just won't. >> i don't think people seriously look to president trump for that. they look for reaction and they're always curious and always looking for a statement for moral leadership and look the way they looked and charlott charlotte, carolina, the day afterwards. it was during the bond hearing of the shooter because the family of the dead showed up and showed who they were as americans and instead it was heartbreaking. i forgive you, i hate what you did but i love you. >> the president amplified those moments and he did not do that. >> you know what, there are more of us who don't engage in hate

than there are with others. >> that's our moral authority. >> yes >> a nice note to end on. we'll be back in a moment. more on this, getting more politics for some things here. the men behind the margins, charlottesville, it is a little tough to watch. just going to warn you. warn yo. >> jews will not replace us! jews will not replace us! >> i'm here to spread ideas, talk in the hopes that somebody more capable will come along and do

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welcome back. sadly, for some time the name charlottesville may be associated with last welcome back. vice news tonight, with the marchers we'll show you a few minutes and we'll bring you discussions on whether how to confront this. a word of warning, it is tough to watch. [ news will not replace us ]

>> bwhen trayvon martin's case happen. every single case and black [ bleep ] behaving like a savage. i am here to spread ideas taught in the hopes that somebody is capable will come along and do that. somebody like donald trump who do not give his daughter to a jews. >> a lot more racist than donald trump. i don't think you can see more race than i do. >> the alt-right is organized, they have a lot of numbers and shields and we have seen tear gas and water bottles. >> what just happened? >> it bakes me. >> who? >> i don't know. [ screams ]

>> there is people on the ground and people running up the streets and screaming and crying. there were many people on the side injured. too. >> i say it was worth it. we knew we are going to meet a lot of resistance and the fact that nobody on our side died, i call that points for us. >> the fact that none of our people killed anybody unjust at the least. i think it is a plus for us. the car that struck a protester, that's unprovoked. >> that's not true and you know it is not true. you have seen the video.

>> i don't know much about it. >> i understand. >> can you describe the video. it appears to show someone is striking that vehicle. when he's being attacked again. he saw that there is no way the get away from them except to hit the gas. >> rivals they could not just get out of the way of his car and some people got hurt and that's unfortunately. >> i think it is more than justified. >> i cannot believe the amount of restrength that people showed out there was astounding. >> you can see the documentary online. when we come back. is it right to confront alt-right or does that lead to more violence of the kind that we just saw? >> we'll have that debate. as we go to break, more from this week's kentucky state fair. >> i thought the country resolved a lot of these things back in 1865.

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welcome back. i' welcome back, i am joined by two gentlemen with different views of white supremacists.

the new book "antifa" and richard cohen. direct confrontations are leading to more violence that you saw in charlottesville. welcome to you both. we try to have this sort of debate. mark, we'll start with you. you seemed to be a small minority who's defending the idea of violence, considering that somebody died in chitville. >> charlottesville. >> and you know we have tried to ignoring neo nazi in the past. you have seen how they turned out for 2030. >> you need to take it up the most seriousness.

we can see really the why white supremacists grow and neo nazi grows is becoming legitimate and everyday and family friendly and the way to stop that is what you people did in boston. >> you cannot make this normal. >> bet you. >> why do you think it is a mistake. >> it is a spectacular bad idea. you've ichb people tgiven peopl. lastly, leading into terrible spiral. we saw that in fox and the next time, white nationals brought their own private army. >> you know where does something

like that do you buy. >> yesterday werks s saw thousa and thousands of people. >> any other point that essentially, there were those in the civil rights movement. and the not so subtle reminder. they're not here anymore. >> well, there is a big difference between confronting other forms of violence. >> thurg tif you get face ti ouh >> the other thing that i will make is a lot of people don't have a choice whether they can defend themselves or not. >> this spiral or violence started. there were attacks in mosques and a lot of people are under

attack. it is a privilege position to be able to say you never have to defend ourself on this kind of mo monsters. >> no one is saying if you are lapped in a base aand take it. >> it is a different issues zsh perculiar. they're turning to the police who have been infiltrated to misand returning the orderly notion. the idea is the real enemy of free speech are facteost.

>> they don't see it as a different opinions and to consider. they see facts as the enemy and we need to come around and making sure there is no doubt. >> i know the concern is it makes march beble out of the wh supreme sis. >> the anthony movement help his argument. >> do you buy that? >> to some degrees, there were a lot ofing ugly thes. >> we are the ones who are in battle. the answer to bad speech is more speech. we saw it in boston yesterday >> charlottes did give attention to white supremacists.

we could see they were unable to do things that we see and make movement grow. established networks and express their networks. >> i can tell you that there is a lot of this. >> all right, i will leave it there. >> the debate does not stop here. appreciate it. >> coming up, donald trump, won the white house with offset trajectory and three blew states. >> brand new polling on how voters are there? >> it is hard to move forward. a lot of time, the daj is done. no isolate in the united states. we are a aocountry sounded. >> we don't have a place for us to live.

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. welcome back. we're joined on our waxahachie, we are joinelco by our panel. after so, after the election, we found a quarterly american fare. today's new york times, mr. crime says he can no longer standby what he calls of this administration. >> mr. trump boasted that he can shoot someone on the streets and would not lose. >> he denounced the group responsible for this violence of

morally discussing. >> you are split on him on characters and not on policy. >> no. >> and the reason is, even though they were always directional direct and some of the policies and trade and etcetera, and their popularity. >> they never had any cool of how to do about it. >> they dif you need to do trades, you need to have allies on the left and the business community. so tfrs for you is distraught. >> i don't know how i could not be a distraught for anybody. the question is how long can donald trump keep his core. >> there is somebody. here is jewbuileus.

>> we predict the demise of donald trump. i am certain liam believes the policy but has a problem with the man. we've seen, i think, in donald trump taking shots at jeff sessions, for instance, some of the other people who agree with the kinds of policies that julius' publication embraces take some distance additionally from donald trump. the odd thing to me is that at the time when you might expect the republican party broadly to distance itself from donald trump, it's really not. you have some individual senators speaking out about individual issues, but the organs of the party, the republican national committee, they're embracing him even tighter. and it's a perplexing moment. >> but we also noticed -- we noticed this last week that the president also attacked mitch mcconnell. he's gone after any number of republican leaders.

and to hear this week senator bob corker, who has been right down there with him, and to hear him also say this president has a problem with stability, then that signals to me that there's something deeper that's beginning to go on in the republican party. and i think it's tough to separate character from policy. the way that you accomplish policy is by having character in the white house so that you can drive things that need to draw attention from the left and the right. >> one thing we've always overlooked or a lot of people have overlooked with the trump phenomenon from the beginning and even now, however unpopular trump is after his horrendous failure, the congressional republicans and congressional democrats are far from popular. and the never trump republicans, the pundits, the leadership, they're exactly right with respect to his character, but they have still been wrong about every significant policy decision for the last 25 years, and that hasn't changed. they have also failed to accomplish any of their own self-professed goals. that's why they had no credibility during the election

and no one really respects them now and they can't move independently. >> and that's why donald trump won. i think julius is point out why trump won. >> yeah, certainly those policies are very important. i think a big part of trump's base sticks with him for reasons of identity, for reasons of emotion. they're with him. they think he's with them. and to that extent his policy failures i don't think have made a huge difference for those people. i don't think charlottesville will make a huge difference to a lot of those people. some of them will leave, but i think there's a core. and i think we fool ourselves if we think that that has dissolved. >> core? i feel like he just read your column, peggy. core. you refuse to call it a base. >> yes. base is here, core is here. i feel that's happening with mr. trump's supporters. one of the things i would like to see is that sometimes senators and congressmen on the republican side come forward and they say interesting words and phrases in opposition to

president trump. but sometimes they look a little fertive. it's a little side interview off a fund-raiser, do you know what i mean? it's badly lit and your head is down. it is time to come forward standing up straight with pride and disagree with what you disagree with. and when you agree with something that he is doing, say and i'm going to support this. but make a very clear distinction between what you see publicly from the president that you don't like and what is going on in washington right now is a bill that you can support. >> yeah, steve hayes, i look at senator ben sasse. on one hand probably the best columnist in the united states senate. but is that -- but there's plenty of people who are now going your words are great, but they're just words. >> well, i mean if you're talking about his voting record -- >> no, but i'm talking about all of the criticism. >> see, i'm not critical of people like ben sasse. i think he deserves a ton of credit for standing up and making a moral argument about donald trump.

i will say it's an odd time for julius to be attacking never trump republicans given what he wrote today. but i think we're missing to a certain extent a bigger phenomenon here. donald trump is running away from the republican party. republicans are trying to hold on to him desperately. >> yes. >> he is saying to them i'm out. i'm leaving you behind. he's purged a lot of republicans from his white house. you look to what steve bannon told my colleague, peter boyer in this week's "weekly standard" and steve bannon said i'm going to go after establishment republicans and donald trump said to him good, i need that. and we know they have a very broad understanding of establishment republicans. it includes people like ben sasse. >> all right. i've got to sneak in a quick break. back in 45 seconds, end game. i'll show you those new polls out of the states that gave donald trump the presidency, wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. what do they think of the president now? >> announcer: coming up, "end game" brought to you by boeing. continuing our mission to connect, protect, explore and inspire.

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feel embarrassed rather than proud. look at those numbers. 63, 64, 64. that's a lot of trump voters in there. julius, i want to give you the first shot out of here and ask you specifically about the bannon exit. does that add to your concern that this presidency is over, as bannon told "the weekly standard"? >> i've always been fairly critical of steve bannon. even though he was directionally correct on some of the policy its, he had no idea how to do it and only made it worse. so i think he should have been gone long ago. the problem is now it's too late. >> where does this white house go? i just don't know where this white house heads next. >> well, i don't know that anybody does. i'm not sure that anybody inside the white house knows where it goes. you know, with bannon out, general kelly can organize things and direct the flow of people into and out of the oval office, but he can't control donald trump's cell phone. you know, whom he calls, what he tweets, and he can't control the president's instincts.

>> by the way, what happens tuesday in phoenix? if he pardons arpaio at a rally in phoenix? >> i don't know. >> look, i do think, you know, he is well on his way to clarifying the 48% of americans who won't vote for him again or won't vote for republicans. the question for democrats is whether we can get to 50 plus 1, and i think we still have some work to do. >> i have to pause it here. that's all we have for today. this is one week i wish we had another hour. thanks for watching. if it's monday, enjoy the eclipse safely. we'll be back next week, because if it's sundays, it's "meet the press." you can see postgame on the mtp facebook page. you can see postgame on the mtp facebook page.

it was very exciting. >> they met in vegas. a professional poker player. >> was making good money. >> a former trapeze artist. she fell for him but didn't gamble on this. >> i could smell the odor of decay and blood. >> married with a child and women in multiple cities. >> what else is he capable of? >>