>> we have some of our favorite friends here today and we could have talked for another hour. our thanks. cool it you two. that does it for our hour. "mtp daily" starts right now. with katy terr in for chuck. >> you can have my guests too. i'm sending -- >> we don't want them. we have our own guests. if it's wednesday, will the real donald trump please stand up. tonight, president trump says he wants to unite the country. >> it is time to heal the wounds that divide us and to seek a new unity based on the common values that unite us. >> but he's still serving up red meat to his supporters, attacking the media. >> they don't want to report

that i spoke out forcefully against hatred, bigotry and violence. >> threatening a government shutdown. >> we have to close down or government we're building that fall. >> and going after members of his own party. >> nobody wants me to talk about your other senator, who is week on borders, week on crime, so i won't talk about him. >> is this the new normal? plus, hillary clinton looks back on 2016 and how she might have handled this moment. >> back up, you creep. get away from me. i know you love to intimidate women, but you can't intimidate me, so back up. >> this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. good evening. i'm katy terr in new york in for chuck todd. welcome to mtp dale yil. it's not our job in the press to

tell the president how to lead the country, but it is our job to ask the painfully obvious question, is this how you do it? by going after who people vote for and how they get their information? by criticizing a war hero battling brain cancer while defending a controversial sheriff battling jail time. by trying to tear down the rules of government that require leadership through compromise, by threatening to shut down the very government that he and his party control if he can't fund a wall along the southern border? here is another question. after last night's skovd effort rally, are how much credibility does this message have today? >> it is time to heal the wounds that divide us and to seek a new unity based on the common values that unite us. as long as we have faith in each other and confidence in our values, then there is no challenge too great for us to

conquer. we have no division too deep for us to heal. together we cannot fail. >> the president's comments today didn't happen in a vacuum. they're commendable. but are they credible? right now we're watching a president claiming he wants to unite the country while at the same time engaging in a slash and burn campaign to discredit anyone and anything that criticizes him or makes life harder, which in a plurlistic society like ours is going to be a lot of people and a lot of things, including the media. >> the only people giving a platform to these hate groups is the media itself and the fake news. >> including arizona's republican senators like snon mccain and jeff flake. >> we were just one vote away from victory after seven years of everybody proclaiming repeal

and replace. one vote away. i will not mention any names. nobody wants me to talk about your other senator who is weak on borders, weak on crime, so i won't talk about him. >> including the rules of gofr nance which were built to force people to actually compromise. >> the senate, we have to get rid of what's called the filibuster rule. we have to. and if we don't, the republicans will never get anything passed. you're wasting your time. >> and including sometimes the entire government. >> the obstructionist democrats would like us not to do it, but believe me, we have to close down our government, we're building that wall. >> that also includes the folks who run the other government branches, like senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, who is privately doubting whether or not mr. trump can salve age his

presidency, according to "the new york times." they report the president berated mcconnell in a phone call that quickly did he involved into a profane shouting match. we should note that a spokesperson for mcconnell does not deny the story but did say the two men are, quote, committed to advancing our shared agenda together and anyone who suggests otherwise is clearly not part of the conversation. sam none berg was one of mr. trump's first political consultants. he's also one of the few people who knows what it's like to be hired and fired on the president on multiple occasions. it's an honor of sorts, i guess, sam. >> sure. >> i want to talk about the jekyll and hide presidency. donald trump today was on a teleprompter. he was saying the things that people wanted to hear from him. last night, though, he kept going off the teleprompter. he was attacking everybody in sight. how does he have credibility today when he had a night like last night. >> if you compare him to monday

night, here he's talking about the afghanistan troop surgery, he wants to -- he goes into a rally paid by his campaign which is he declared he's running for re-election. and those are -- >> hold on. you can't say today i'm going to be president and today i'm going to be a candidate. that doesn't work that way. >> well, he's got to adapt. i've told him -- >> everybody has told him he should adapt. he should pivot during the election too. he's never done that. why would there be any expectation that he's going to adapt? >> there probably shouldn't be. he got where he is acting the way he does and sefls that's a formula that works for him. and until it's proven it doesn't, he's going to go out the way he wants to. >> is he a president or a candidate. >> last night he was a candidate. >> is it okay to switch between the two? >> occasional, yes, it is. i mean, look, barak obama i remember in his first year

before the midterms he used to try to hold these allies as well, but when he's making comments -- whether or not we agree with him but to target -- if you want to talk about senator mccain, senator neighbor flake, if you're in arizona, that's not going to help get the agenda passed. they're going to have major problems at the election. >> that may be that you think that you can do one and then do the other, but let's be honest, if he last night went after two republican senators. he went after the system of government that forces compromise, which very far people, i think, would like to see go in this country. and then he went after those in the press saying that we don't love this country, which is just completely absurd, saying that we are stoking the fires of racism and hatred in this country. given that, how does any of that unite this country? >> well, that's a good question. he was elected under strange circumstances. even though he had a humongous electoral win, it was a very

contentious election and he doesn't, unfortunately, take criticism well. >> no. >> and even if you look at that press conference, that problematic press conference in trump tower, the question kicked off where he gives this inarticulate answer is because he was put on the defensive. and sometimes he's just age to not get over thing. i have that same problem too, unfortunately. >> saying respectfully he's the president. >> exactly. whether it's right or wrong, and he sometimes -- it hurts him and it hurts his agenda. and the problem is is that it's not going to help if they cannot get dlibls from are the voters they will sufficient at the ballot box. >> or do they believe that dlt can go out, he can blame everybody but himself and still maintain his base. >> with some of the base it works like that. polling has shown -- >> and it doesn't matter go on if he doesn't get anything done, that it's congress's fault and on and on. >> at the end of the day, he was elected to certainly he was elected as an outside

personality. he's a unique person, but if he can't deliver the goods, nobody can win. and the voters will give you -- you know, they will punish you for it. >> so do you think the voters are going to turn against trump at some point if he can't get anything passed? >> it's "way too early" to know that. i think that if the election were held today, it would be very problematic for republicans. i don't see how it wouldn't be. on the other hand, the way it's made up and the country is a large and more esoteric conversation you can go into, i don't think they would be hurt as much at the ballot box as the democrats because of gerrymandering and things like that. >> is anybody in the white house telling the president and if so is he going to listen to anybody, is there anybody that can get through to him? >> if the president is going to -- if the president will hear you out as long as it's done respectfully and constructively. everybody has asked me that. but he's going to do what he wants to do. it's his decision. he's president of the united states. i've worked for other people in

very powerful positions and they're still going to do what they want to do. sometimes he doesn't understand or it's not told to him that saying something like this does not help you in the senate. mitch mcconnell is almost as powerful as the president of the united states on capitol hill and that's the reality whether you like it or not. he controls an agenda. one of the president's greatest achievements is directly because of mitch mcconnell which is neil gorsuch. >> so this begs the question. does he want to be the president, does he want to lead this country, get things done for people or does he just want to exact revenge on his rivals? >> look, i was with him early on from 2011 to 2015. it wasn't helpful to his career in the public career to act like a conservative and go to these rallies and things like that that he did. he is worried about the direction of the country. the problem is, and it is a problem. i'm sorry, mr. president, is that, you know, you can go in to get big changes done in

washington, but there is certain ways you cannot change the way washington operates. and it's not constructive or productive. >> so what does he really believe in? >> well, the president believes in taking -- you want to go over the taking care of the veterans, securing the border, health care, tax reform. >> he doesn't really understand healthcare reform whatsoever. >> he does understand -- >> the senate plan and the house plan would lose millions of people, millions of people would lose their coverage. he campaigned on making sure everybody would be covered. that doesn't square to see at the end of that health care debate he just wanted to notch a win in his corner. >> the republican view is we're concerned about highsing premiums. premiums -- >> but -- >> he's an independent president. that's for sure. he could have run as an independent third party candidate. he ran in a very contested primary, 17 candidates, and he was able to go on a message which had democrat elements and

it had independent elements, ross per oh elements. >> what was that message you had for the president? >> what was the message? >> yeah. >> the message was to be like democrats, to be anti-government cronyism. >> learn how government works. >> to operate the goth as a business. and that's, you know, somebody was talking about today, one of the major problems we'll look back in this first year is the transition. they didn't really concentrate on the transition until after they won the election of the it was something that's had a lot of problems. and then they started out and they agreed to this paul ryan plan of going after obamacare first. imagine if they had started with infrastructure, and this is hindsight 2020. >> yeah. >> it would have been much different. it would have put the democrats on defense. >> i think you and i had that conversation a number of times. >> maybe you were the one that gave me the idea. >> i don't know. curious. sam, thanks core coming in and talking to us. joining me now is james fal lows, national correspondent for the atlantic.

zwrams, you went on quite a tweet storm last night in reaction to the president's speech in phoenix. you talked about all the things you've seen presidents do, all the ways you've reacted to presidents speeches and yet you had never seen anything like that. >> it's true, because there is a certain gravity, a certain responsibility that comes with the unique responsibility and the unique opportunity of being the president of the united states. and as your previous guest was saying, of course other presidents have had times when they've spoken off and on teleprompter, they've been candidates, they've been, you know, they've been there as commander in chief. but there is a certain kind of constant i of tone they have kept. and it's interesting as well that when some of them went informally unscripted, say ronald reagan, it was with a sunny message, jimmy carter for whom i worked, it was sort of a pieous message, george w. bush, it was an earnest message. whenever donald trump is off the

script, it's angry. it's self magnifying and angry and that's what we saw last night. >> your reaction to sam just now saying that on one day he is being a president and the next day he's a candidate. last night was just a campaign speech. >> the problem is when you are president during those four years or eight years or however long it is, every sing sell second of the day you have the attention of the world and of the entire country as being the president of the united states. and so, yes, there are different modes. you can have things that are more or less informal, but your words are always watched. they always have a certain weight. and if you're attacking the leader of your own party in the congress, if you're attacking your host state senators, if you're saying the press is illegitimate, that these are very, very bad people, very sick people as trump was saying last night, those inevitably come from the president. so every second you're on that jobl, the secret service protects you and you have the weight of being the president. >> and the taxpayers all pay for

that. he says that he wants to unite the country. he says it over and over again. he says how his rallies have more love in the room than anywhere else in the country. does he have the credibility when he says i want to stop the divide and i want to heal? >> just as a matter of performance and sort of the eq you read from a person, the times when donald trump is talking about unity and we're all in this together he has been either reading from a piece of paper saying i said this a couple of days ago or reading from the teleprompter. whenever he's playing to the crowd going for it, it's this old the crooked media, the swamp, these people are against us, they don't give me a chance. and you can see which one is the real him. so, yes, he has occasionally said the words of unity, but it's very hard to connect tomorrow to his essence for me. >> is it even possible to unite

this country. >> i have a little contrarian take on that. my wife and i have been traveling around to smaller towns. if you ask people about national politics they will say they love or hate trump, hillary, republicans or democrats. if you don't ask them about national politics, they will say we're working together on the school system or working together to get these refugees settled, working together to invest for our kids. so there's a way in which the country is really divided and the level of national politics, my impression is the rest of the country is sort of day by day, the way it's been for quite a while. so that's the strange, you know, cognitive disdense we're in right now. >> we keep saying how unprecedent the behavior of donald trump is and how we've never seen this from a president before, but ultimately his behavior is nothing different than what we saw during the campaign. in some ways it's taper, in some ways it's wierld, but for the most part it's the same.

he still won. >> i are agree. he won under these strange circumstances, lots of things all going in one direction and you reported in the entire campaign as i was chronicling as dozens of other reporters were, this is the guy we saw for the previous two years from his announcement on the escalator talking they're sending rapists and things of that sort. very few surprises from donald trump except that he is entirely consistent with his past self. the surprise, i think, has been from the republicans in congress. they have not stood up more yet for the standards that predated trump and that we hope will post date him too. >> and the open question, which nobody has an answer for, frankly, and if you say you do, i don't know where you're getting it from is whether or not he can survive any of this. james fal lows, thank you so much for joining us. >> yeah. >> i'm not going to make you answer that question. don't worry. >> go ahead. >> thank you. see you later. thanks so much for coming on.

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we do business where you do business. ♪ ♪ welcome back. as we mentioned, president trump returned to campaign form last night in phoenix, which meant returning to an old stand by, launching baseless attacks on the media for assorted perceived sliets. the president made several false statements on policy and issues, a lot of which you can find online on politifact. so right now we're going to narrow our fact check to just those claims about the press. >> so here is what i said, really fast. here is what i said on saturday. we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in charlottesville, virginia. this is me speaking. we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. that's me speaking on saturday. >> yes.

that was president trump on saturday. but he left out three little words. >> we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in charlottesville, virginia. we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence, on many sides. on many sides. >> on many sides. there's more. roll the tape. >> but they don't report the facts. just like they don't want to report that i spoke out forcefully against hatred, bigotry and violence and strongly condemned the neo-nazis, the white supremacists and the kkk. >> okay. here are just a few headlines that debunk that comment from president trump. and then mr. trump went after the coverage of his phoenix speech in real time. >> look back there.

the live red lights. they're turning those suckers off fast, i'll tell you. they're turning those lights off fast. cnn does not want its failing viewership to watch what i'm saying tonight. >> and how -- you saw all three networks carrying that live, including cnn. and finally, an old classic. >> i hope they're showing how many people are in this room, but they won't. they don't even do that. the only time they show the crowds is when there's a disrupter or an anarchist in the room. >> i can go on about this, but i'll limit it to just this. for the record there's the crowd as seen on tv last night for a few moments. not a disrupt or or an anarchist in sight. one more fact, the president is doing worse, especially with his base. you heard the roar of the crowd. we in the media may shake our

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but we won't get there without you. visit alz.org to join the fight. we are not defined by the color of our skin. the figure on our paycheck, or the party of our politics. democrats in congress who oppose a border wall and stand in the way of border security, you are putting all of america's safety at risk. you're doing that. we have no division too deep for us to heal, and there is no enemy too strong for us to overcome. for the most part, honestly, these are really, really dishonest people, and they're bad people. >> welcome back to "mtp daily" and let's get right to the panel. michael steele is the former

chairman of the rnc and msnbc political analyst. kaitlyn hugh we burns is a political reporter for real clear politics and joan walgs is a national correspondent for the nation and a political analyst. i know you guys have been working on telling me something i've never heard before. i'm excited. michael steele. >> start with me. okay. >> yes, i am. who is the real donald trump? the one we saw today or the one we saw yesterday? >> it's the one we saw last night. that's the one, you know, the one who gave the speech after charlottesville, the one who gave the speech before the military audience talking about afghanistan, that's the guy who is asked to go out and to perform a role, to be presidential. but the guy you saw last night, this is the guy that you covered for almost two years. >> yeah. >> and the one that we watch unfold in our living rooms during that same time. and the one that his base clearly fell in love with and

the rest of the country still scratches their heads about. >> we just did a fact check. i'm sure you saw it. there's fact checks every day about what the president says. politifact is working overtime. do they matter? >> i don't think they really matter. i think we've been talking about this for two years, that his base, it's not huge. it was enough for him to win in a very freaky election year. but it stays with him. they like the lying. you know, they -- >> they like the fighting is what they like. >> they like the fighting, the baiteding, the attacking. you feel it when you're in those rooms, which we all have been. and it's not going away. i mean, what i've been struck by, though, is that he seems to have gotten worse with the racial dog whistles or fog horns, whatever you want to say, ever since the news that he was about to fire bannon and then he fired bannon. it's like he's had to double down on his own rhetoric to prove that he's not going soft, he's still the racially divisive

guy he always was. >> sam none berg is a long-time president obama associate, used to work for him. still has lines inside the white house. he was saying that, yeah, the president might have the base on his side, but ultimately he's got to show something for it. he's got to get something done. do you think that that's true. >> well, i think that's why we saw last night he has this mo where he goes to his base and he engines up support and i think this is a particularly important time for him to do that because he's heading into a lot of legislative headwinds next month. put aside the basic agenda like tax reform and health care. they have to fund the government. they have to raise the debt ceiling. and he wants a show down. he intimated that last night. and -- >> more than intimated. he said i'm going to close down the government if you don't build my wall. >> the republicans, the kind of trump that they saw this morning is the kind of trump they want. they wanted this kind of vessel,

right, for their agenda, and they're not seeing that. so i think because you have this kind of, you know, we've talked about it before jekyll and hide donald trump, that complicates their relationship even further and i don't think there's a single republican plai book to handle this. >> do you think republicans actually think that he was going to be on their side when he won? >> no. i think what the republicans on the hill thought is that they could manage him. i think -- >> why do you think they thought that. >> a lot of the conventional wisdom at the time says the office changes you. >> why would you apply conventional wisdom to donald trump? >> because you do until you can't. that's the reality of it. >> yeah. >> and so you don't assume that the guy who is sort of the gad fly outside the box running for president is going to be that same person inside the confines of the oval office. what trump has done is he's basically stufrpd them on that and he's made it very clear i'm the same guy who is still on that stage who bested the 17

republicans that bested the democrats had to offer. >> and he did it with insults and it worked and they're going to keep working. >> defining you, defining your agenda for you and making it very clear who is in charge. and i think that's been a realisticing point. >> how does john kelly sit there, you know, so trump did -- there was a session last night he did not flat out pardon sheriff joe arpaio and we were told in advance he's going to be presidential, he's not going to do something that divisive from this stage. >> they said he won't even mention it. >> he won't even mention it. it's not going on here. and then not only does he say it in his speech. he elbell lishz, he basically says i'm not going to do it tonight -- >> he was trying to find out what the reaction of the crowd would be. he was crowd sourcing, should i pardon joe arpaio. >> being he should in that crowd. >> not just sourcing, baiting. >> yes. >> because i think he had a good handle by that point in the evening where this crowd would stand on that question, but it was just to show the other folks who told him you can't go there. >> don't do it, don't do it.

>> i can go there if i want to. >> there was just a moment of -- there were several moments that had to be really humiliating if you're the chief of staff who really is the last chance to right this ship. i don't believe he can. no person can. but he has had a few successes. he did drive bannon out, but then he's not going to mention joe arpaio, but he's going to. >> we never saw john kelly on stage even though he called for him. >> he went to the men's room. >> he was disappearing into the bush like that simpson's people. so he also went after jeff flake. he didn't say his name. what if kelli ward ends up prime ariana grande him? do the democrats stand a chance of beating kelli ward? >> certainly republicans even say that a bloody primary would help to crack that door even further. >> sure. >> if you're a republican, though, watching what trump did last night to someone like

flake, you know that he is an unreliable partner to you in the midterms and he actually kind of gave a flavor of how he might campaign in the midterms, particularly if he doesn't get legislative accomplishments. you can totally see him running against the republican party. >> yeah. eats going to go after everybody he can. the fault will not lie with him. the fault will lie with everybody else. >> well, the question is -- >> hold on. we're going to come back in a little while and continue this conversation. i enjoyed that. you told me a few things i didn't know. which is good. that makes me sound so i am modest and crazy. ignore me. still ahead, hillary clinton opens up about a memorable campaign moment and what she might have done differently. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations

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how she felt. >> two days before the world heard him brag about groping women. now we are on a small stage and no matter where i walked, he followed me closely, staring at me, making faces. it was incredibly uncomfortable. he was literally breathing down my neck. my skin crawled. do you stay calm, keep smiling and carry on as if he weren't repeatedly invading your space? or do you turn, look him in the eye and say loudly and clearly, back up, you creep. get away from me. i know you love to intimidate women, but you can't intimidate me, so back up. i chose option a, i kept my cool, aided by a lifetime of dealing with difficult men trying to throw me off. >> clinton acknowledges that perhaps she had, quote, over learned the lesson of staying calm and biting her tongue while

determined to present a composed face to the world. joining me now is "washington post" correspondent ann gather reign, who has covered hillary clinton extensively over the years. ann, let's go back to that moment during the campaign. this was a time that donald trump was facing a lot of issues when it came to women, not just because his poll numbers weren't good, but there were a lot of stories out. >> yeah, sure. it was a few days after the "access hollywood" tape had come out. >> two days exactly. >> yeah, exactly. and during which time there were calls from prominent republicans, among others, that he should drop out of the race. and so, i mean, that was obviously very much on everyone's mind, including hillary clinton's. and then there was the whole drama with the women accusers, women who had accused bill clinton and the kind of drama that the trump campaign cooked up ahead of that debate, which

actually delayed the start of the debate. so by the time the two of them were actually on stage together, there had been an enormous amount of drama and water under the bridge, and he behaved oddly during the debate long before we even got to that point where he was sort of roaming and ranging around the stage behind her. and it was all sort of chalgd up to him being a bully, to him not having a great answer for the "access hollywood" issues and all that they implied. and, you know, i think clinton at the time was really trying to stick to business. >> yeah. >> as she says in these excerpts, she opted to kind of go -- to go to her default, which is keep calm, stay strong and don't let things bother you, even when they clearly do bother her. >> there was a time when

everybody thought that donald trump was drowning, and they were trying to figure out any way they could to lift him back up, and that was the same day they held that press conference right before the debate with all of bill clinton's accusers. they tried to get them to sit in the family box, but the presidential debate commission said no to that. this book is a different tone than we've heard from hillary clinton. certainly everyone during the campaign and those looking back say she should have been more of herself, she should have been more unfiltered. are we going to see her come back and be more unfiltered or is this her version of i'm done, it's over, i'm going to finally be myself? >> well, katy, i wish i knew the answer to that. i think clearly she will be called upon in selling this book to go out and be -- obviously be interviewed, be -- and be herself. this is one -- there's a reason clearly that the publisher has

chosen this excerpt to release because not only was it a very memorable moment from the campaign, but in this excerpt she is kind of peeling back the curtain a little bit and letting people know a little bit about what she was thinking and feeling during the campaign, which is exactly as you point out is something that many observers felt was lacking during the campaign, that it was bloodless a little bit on her part. and they were looking for more personal reaction from her. her campaign strategist and partisans would answer that by saying every time she did put herself out there, she kind of got slapped down for doing so. and so, again, the default was the thing that she's the most comfortable doing and it was the safest, and she thought at the time the best option. >> donald trump fed off hillary clinton. do you think her return with this book is going to boost him in the polls, is going to give him new life. >> i think it obviously gives

him a new enemy. i mean, she's an old -- >> old enemy. >> she's the old enemy returns. and eli have absolutely no doubt he will use that antagonistic relationship to what he views as his betterment, particularly with his base. i mean, i can sort of imagine a campaign style rally like the one last night in which he talks about things that she said about him or other things that she will say in this book, which is, you know, just coming out in less than a month. so i think there will be ample opportunity for him to try to use it against her. she's clearly making a stroke to try to use her version of events against him, however. >> her book comes out on the 12th of september. it's not an aus suspicious day, not at all. i'll leave you to figure that

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today the humble hashtag celebrates its ten-year birthday. an entrepreneur sent a tweet with the first ever hashtag as we now know it. back then it was just called a pound sign or a hash sign. he tweeted how do you feel about using pound for groups. he was wondering if the symbol could tie into group messaging on social kblemedia. he wandered into the twitter office to pitch his idea but they were all too busy at the time to build up the theory. since then the practice has brought attention to trending topics and conversations all over the world from hashtag black lives matter to hashtag ice bucket challenge. without the hashtag, we swrouwo

have never debated over hashtag the dress. it's definitely blue and black. since we're feeling festive on this holiday. we're plugging our very own. you can join us with our conversation on social media with hashtag mtp daily. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow. the beat with hashtag ari melber or hashtag great show or hashtag song lyrics getting dropped tonight. >> i want to say i thought that was hashtag an interesting segment. >> thanks. i appreciate that. >> i will hashtag see you later. i promise we're done doing that. unite, divide, unite and repeat. three speeches in three days and a lot of