>> not much, jimmy. >> hashtag rising grind. hashtag is it friday yet? >> hashtag is it worth it let me work down. >> let me reverse it. >> hashtag -- hashtag. >> hey, guys? >> yeah? >> what's up? hashtag shut the bleep up. >> that's our show. it is of course now time for hashtag hard ball. going nuclear, really. let's play hard ball. good evening. i'm chris matthews from washington. trump goes nuclear in his phoenix speech. the former intel chief worries he'll go nuclear for real. james clapper the last director of national intelligence said he

questioned the president's fitness to hold the nuclear codes. senator bob corker said just last week that he questions the president's stability. democratic leaders are talking about the president's, quote, erratic behavior and "washington post" has written the country needs to question how unstable and divorced from reality this president has become. the latest cause for concern, the president's performance in phoenix last night in front of an amped up crowd of supporters. all talk of national healing. instead he bashed the democrats for not backing his wall between us and mexico and threatened to shut down the government if the wall isn't funded. >> and we are building a wall on the southern border, which is absolutely necessary. now, the obstructionist democrats would like us not to do it, but believe me, we have to close down our government. we're building that wall. >> well, the president suggested

that he would pardon a political ally joe arpaio who was convicted of criminal contempt this summer. >> do the people in this room like sheriff joe? so was sheriff joe convicted for doing his job? that's what -- i'll make a prediction. i think he's going to be just fine. okay? >> well, president trump also went after his predecessor, of course, barak obama. >> they asked me what about race relations in the united states? now, i have to say they were pretty bad under barak obama. that i can tell you. to the best of my knowledge when there was a big problem, barak obama never said it took place because of radical islamic terrorists. he never said that. >> he also took some not so

veiled shots at senators john mccain and jeff flake, both of arizona. and he repeatedly attacked the media. >> it's time to expose the crooked media deceptions and to challenge the media for their role in fomenting divisions. and yes, by the way, they are trying to take away our history and our heritage. you see that. for the most part, honestly, these are really, really dishonest people, and they're bad people. and i really think they don't like our country. i really believe that. >> well, the president also boasted about his own intelligence, his wealth, his success in office. let's watch all that. >> i always hear about the elite, you know, the elite. they're elite. i we want to better schools than they did. i was a better student than they were. i live in a bigger, more beautiful apartment, and i live in the white house too, which is really great. i don't believe that any president has accomplished as much as this president in the

first six or seven months. i really don't believe it. >> well, today unbelievably the president was back to talking about healing the country. >> it is time to heal the wounds that divide us and to seek a new unity based on the common values that unite us. we are one people with one home and one great flag. >> i'm joined right now by "washington post" opinion writers jennifer ruben and politico white house reporter andy car any. i think separating all this from the man who spoke these words, if you were to just take these words in isolation and say these don't sound sane. >> no. >> i'm going to kill the united states economy, shut down the current, shut down our currency, basically make us a dead beat in the world for the first time so i'm going to get something i'm never going to get. it's all crazy talk.

>> it is crazy. >> and then bragging about his -- we know he's got some money in the bank. we know he lifls up in a tower in new york. why ke bragging about richer than reporters? nobody says they're not richer than reporters? why does he say all this. >> he is obviously desperate. i think he must know at some level somewhere that he is failing miss raeblel. he sees the poll nblz because he follows -- >> this is something up your front. clapper, former head of national security a couple months of ago basically is head of national security, he says the guy shouldn't be near the nuclear codes. that's serious business. >> it is serious business. you think about this in this war of worlds was he in control of himself during the north korea spat or was he out of control. was that scripted or was that him acting off-the-cuff in ways that could possibly provoke the enemy. this is real. this is what we talked about during the campaign. >> this is a cold bucket of ice

water over everybody's head, i think. national intelligence director under president obama talking about the ability of this president to deal calmly and sane well the enormous nuclear responsibilities he holds. let's watch of the. >> i don't know when i've listened and watched something like this from a president that i found more disturbing. >> are you questioning his fitness? >> yes, i do. >> is he a threat to national security, the president? >> well, he certainly could be. again, having some understanding of the levers that a president can exercise, i worry about, frankly, you know, the access to nuclear codes. in a fit of peek, he decides to do something about kim jong-un, there is actually very little to stop him. >> you know, jonathan, you and i

know, we all know here that there was a period in our history where we really did worry about nuclear war, cuban missile crisis. whatever evils he had done with regard to hungary in 56, krush she have was sane and in the end they cut a deal and they sat down and calmly dealt with it as statesman. i don't think we've got two people like that right now, him and kim jong-un, they begin this thing like it's all personal, it's something to do with eeg oh and hand size and haircuts and weird nsz. i'm sorry. you know it's all true. >> it is all true. and what we're also dealing with are two very insecure leaders. that is the word that was missing in the discussion that you and jennifer were having before. this is why the president keeps bringing up his wealth, where he list and he's wealthier than reporters, that he went to the best schools, even though he said the word for meant. you can call me elitist for

pointing that out. but he's president of the united states and he's gone to the best schools and has the best words and all that other stuff. look, what we're dealing with right now is a problematic president, an irrational president and we're depending on the military. we are depending on generals to prevent what dni clapper is most worried about. we're dependent upon general mattis, the secretary of defense, general kelly, the white house chief of staff, general h.r. mcmaster, the national security adviser to keep the president of the united states from turning the nuclear codes into a weapon in a fit of peak as he pointed out. >> so you're saying that they are right in not enforcing the chain of command. when the time comes, they shouldn't salute? are you saying that, john anthony, they should not salute this president if he tries to go nuclear? >> personally, yes. also, what they would -- if they were to do that, it would be illegal.

when the president makes an order, especially when it comes to the nuclear codes, that is a command. if anyone in that chain of command does not follow that, they're breaking the law. but to my mind -- yes, they're breaking the law -- >> small potatoes -- >> it's the most patriotic that they could ever do. >> perhaps useful civil disoh bead yans at that point. >> tackle him. >> i'm the only none columnist here, so i'm not going to weigh -- >> you can handle this. when u james clapper the former head of dni just a few months ago, you have bob corker, a very sane guy from tennessee, you've got democratic leaders go on background, you've got gene robinson, they're all talking in terms of not outward nuttiness but words like stability, fitness to deal with erratic behavior. it's almost like captain kweeg kind of stuff.

the cane mutiny stuff. >> and it's all related. him bragging to reporters that he makes more money than us and him elevating kim jong-un. he doesn't realize on some level that he's the president of the united states, that him responding the way he did last week to north korea is elevating them, that him -- that ep doesn't need to pick these fights. he's at the top. it seems like something in him is still doesn't understand what position he's in. >> last night president trump took particular issue with the reaction to his comments after the violence in charlottesville. he said the media unfairly reported on what he had said. let's watch. >> they don't report the facts. just like they don't want to report that i spoke out forcefully against hatred, bigotry and violence and strongly condemned the neo-nazis, the white supremacists and the kkk. so here is what i said, really fast. here is what i said on saturday. we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in

charlottesville, virginia. this is me speaking. we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. that's me speaking on saturday. right after the event. i hit them with everything. i got the white supremacists, the neo-nazi. i got them all in there. let's see. yeah. kkk. we have kkk. i got them all. >> well, the president left out a few juicy parts of what he said after charlottesville, including when he blamed both sides for the violence and said there were very fine people marching with those neo-nazis and white supremacists. didn't take those. >> this rail is crazy stuff. >> who is he talking to? >> i guess to himself, to his critics, to his breitbart buddies. i'll not quite sure and i don't know that he is. but this is like really kind of crazy behavior. this is the strawberries in the mess room on the mutiny.

>> look, he's -- steve bannon is no longer in the white house, but steve bannon is all over -- >> the spirit of bannon. >> is all over those comments. to my ear he is talking to white nationalists. one clip that you did not show was when he said they're trying to take our history, they're trying to take our culture. >> we'll get to that in the show tonight. >> good, because that to me was like the most alarming thing that he said. he's complaining about the media not reporting what he said about bigots and white supremacy and i got the kkk and yet in the same speech he is not just dog whiflg, he's got the bullhorn out. i mean, this guy, he seeded his moral authority as president of the united states when he did what he did on tuesday. he didn't talk about what he did on tuesday, which was so unbelievably rep helpsible for a person who is supposed to bring together the entire country and yet he's still playing to the cheap seats in the republican -- >> he brought a general in to be his hall monitor. let's face it. kelly is there for that reason.

he decides who goes in to see the president but he doesn't talk about what goes into the president's head. you have to watch that hang down your head image all the time. he's got to stand there during the speech. that's really corporal punishment. >> one thing that struck me about the speech last night is trump called him um. he said john kelly get up here. he never appeared. i mean, i think he's smart enough to know -- >> how much can the staff -- we've had this stuff with leon pan et at that. you can't keep bill clinton away from the problem. >> he can limit the information flow, he can limit the number of people that come in and out of the oval office. he can't limit what trump does on his own. the plan is -- >> i think those were the excerpts of his previous speech of the i think that is him talking off-the-cuff.

you can tell when he's off message because he reads really woodenel. this was not boring. this was trump talking off-the-cuff the the only card that kelly really has to play and he has to play it at the right same and he can only play it once and that is to resign. and the others -- >> jennifer ruben, you're a bit to my right on foreign policy, but let me ask you a question, okay? let me put this question to you, do you think the president is stable? >> no. >> no. >> you're a straight reporter. some people think he isn't. jonathan -- coming up, president trump trigger triggers a civil war in the gop. there are new reports the president has privately berated reporters over the russia sanctions. and he doesn't want mueller protected by the congress from him. plus the president claims weak weak people for allowing the removal of confederate statues

saying they're trying to take away our culture. we're going to get to that. he says that those who chose to fight the union shouldn't be ven rated. an exclusive excerpt from her new book, hillary clinton talks about trump looming behind her in the second president -- she wornds should she have called trump out for being a creep. finally, let me finish. this is hard ball. let me a

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with a festering wound that is president trump's relationship with the republican party burst open last night as trump opaqueel badgered senators jeff flake and john mccain. first he went after senator mccain, never mentioning him by name but instead referring to his decision to vote against the repeal of obamacare. >> obamacare is a disaster and think, think we were just one vote away from victory after seven years of everybody proclaiming repeal and replace. one vote away. one, one vote. one vote away. >> well, then the president took a veiled shot at senator flake, also of arizona. let's watch.

>> and nobody wants me to talk about your other senator, who is weak on borders, weak on crime. so i won't talk about him. nobody wants me to talk about him. nobody knows who the hell he is. >> well, this morning, however, he attacked flake by name, tweeting phoenix crowd last night was amazing. a packed house. i love the great state of arizona. not a fan of jeff flake. weak on crime and border. well, president trump's list of legislative accomplishments is very short, of course. in his recent remarks risk complicating his agenda on capitol hill, don't you think? that list includes big ticket items like approving measures to prevent a government shutdown, raising the debt ceiling and rewriting the tax code. well, that agenda is threatened by an increasingly tension relationship with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. and just yesterday "the new york times" reported that these two men have not spoken since mr. trump criticized mr. mcconnell

publicly and berated him into a phone call that quickly did he involved into a shouting match. additionally, according to sources, mr. mcconnell privately expressed uncertainty the president will be able to salvage his administration after a series of summer crises. well, today senator mcconnell did not drch that report but says he is in regular contact with the president to discuss shared goals. for more i'm joined by noel in this case pour, republican fund-raiser and author of branding america and chris buzz kirk. first of all, notice eland then chris and back and forth on this as much as you can, i am trying to understand the nature of the relationship between trump, who is sort of an unusual republican and mitch mcconnell who is a classic republican and their difficulty in getting something done, which seems to be getting worse in terms of personal roelgsz. notice yell first. >> this is absolutely such a

difficult spot for someone like me a republican to be. chris, think about this. which way do i go? which way is a win. you've got president trump, a republican, you've got long time mitch mcconnell. it's a war for all of us out here and it's a no-win war. and let me bring up one fact. it's really sad because i'm not sure that donald trump is really loyal to anybody. but do you remember back when, you know, obama was president and we -- scalia had died and we had the opening with the supreme court? do you know it was mitch mcconnell that said let's postpone these hearings until after the presidential election and took a gamble? and the reason we have, you know, one of our big victories, which is neil gorsuch is because of mitch mcconnell. and frankly, mitch mcconnell, he deserves better. >> slet me go to chris on that. how do you see this fight? whose fault is it? >> yeah, well, i think that this fight has been going on for a long time. i mean, donald trump didn't it. it's an expression of a fight

that's been going on inside the gop for at least ten or 15 years. what's the heart and soul of the party. which way are we going to go? what i see so much more and more is not so much an ideological division, but really there is this debate, division between what we would call p country class republicans, meaning just voters, normal voters, and ruling class republicans, which way is it going to be. and if you looked or heard the audio from last night here in fee initiation, you saw that donald trump had a very enthusiastic crowd. the idea that a mitch mcconnell or even in this state a john mccain or a jeff flake would get that kind of a crowd or responses just unthinkable. and so you pit these two sides together and say which is it going to be? is it going to be the voters and the president or is it going to be the neo conservatives and the incumbent republicans in the house. who is going to say something. >> good question because they have to do it together. politico is now reporting tonight that president trump called up gop senators to vent

his frugs stragsz are russia. expressed frustration toefr a bipartisan bill sanctioning russia and trying to convince senate foreign relations bob corker that it wasn't good policy. this is the one i'm interested in. also called up north carolina about a bill he was writing that would protect robert mueller from being fired. trump was unhappy with the legislation and didn't want it to pass. well, let me go back to noel and also to chris. it seems to me that this is not about ideology. it is maybe about class. but here is trump trying tro protect himself from an investigation by bob mueller by making sure that he does have the potential to get rid of mueller if he basically goes over the rails and starts going after his personal finances as trump seize it, going across his own red line. this legislation pushed by tom tillis of north carolina with chris consequence of delaware

would kill the president's chance to fire mueller. this is a real difference of interest. trump doesn't want to be investigated, you know, like an audit of everything he's ever done and everything he might have done. and the republican party is saying well, we'd like to look clean on this. there is a difference of interest here. >> yes. and, you know, this is really -- this is a very big catch-22, because we want to focus on things that we can get done and we're not getting anything done and we need to unite. and that's one of the things that the democrats have over the republicans is whether we agree with our policies or not -- >> you're not answering my question. no. the question is should the republican party be the good government party making sure that robert mueller has a clean -- a free hand in investing the president or should they tie his hands a bit to give the president a break here, a partisan break? what is the right thing for the republican leadership to do, help trump or help the prosecutor? where should their loyalty lie? >> the loyalty needs to lie in good government.

and that's not to help trump. that's to do the right thing, chris. >> okay. what do you mean, chris? do you agree with that that they should be -- >> you know, chris, look, we have a system in this country laid down for good government. if the congress decides that the president has done something wrong and it rises to a certain level, there is a constitutional means to deal with that. and obviously that's impeachment. we know how that works. the idea that a republican senator like tom tillis would be wasting him on legislation like this when we don't have a budget, we haven't done anything on tax reform. this is what he wants to be known for. this is the time of coward i say in politics that griends these things to a halt. you know the history better than i do. what happened to the democrats in the late 70s, they tore themselves up and in 1979 and 80 you saw ted kennedy mounting a very serious challenge against jimmy carter. they need to accomplish

something for voters. they need to do something that is not a washington, da centric policy and do something that's going to address the kitchen table issues that people actually vote on. >> yeah. i can see a real division here. thank you chris. i think you pointed out here clarified the issue. there is a difference between the republican congress and trump as he sees is which is of course self plekz at this point. once again, president trump sets up a false equivalent saying the confederate statues are coming down today, but they're going after teddy roosevelt. does anybody really think that? this is hard ball. i make it easy to save $600 on car insurance, so being cool comes naturally. hmm. i can't decide if this place is swag or bling. it's pretzels. word. ladies, you know when you switch, you get my bomb-diggity discounts automatically.

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it's time to expose the crooked media deceptions and to challenge the media for their role in fomenting divisions. and yes, by the way, they are trying to take away our history and our heritage. >> welcome back. that was president trump last night accusing the media, of course, of attempting to take away the country's heritage. he also repeated his claim that people are trying to take down statues of figures like george washington. let's watch. >> george washington, please don't take his statue down,

please. please. does anybody want george washington statue? no. is that sad? is that all sad? to lincoln to teddy roosevelt. i see they want to take teddy roosevelt's down too. they're trying to figure out why. they don't know. they're trying to take away our culture, they're trying to take away our history, and our weak leaders, they do it overnight. >> well, the violence in charlottesville reignited calls for cities to remove confederate statues, of course, and today charlottesville covered up their statue of robert e. lee. there they are putting a shroud over the general, but presidential historian john meacham argues you couldn't con nature. in an opinion piece in new york times he wrote the answer to mr. trump's question begins with a straightforward test. was the person to whom a monument erected to public property devoted to the american

experiment in liberty and self government. by definition the confederate hierarchy fails that test. and those who took up arms against the union were explicitly attempting to stop the american odd seas. monuments in public places who were it was their duty to fight the union have no place in the 21st century. a view of which lee might have agreed. he wrote in 1866 just after the war not to keep open the source of war. meacham uses an example the tennessee an early kkk leader and confederate general who ordered his troops to massacre black soldiers saying we need not con tort ourselves to find forests wanting an object of -- he was condemned for out rages and atrocities in his own time. i'm joined now by presidential historian john meacham. i love to hear a voice from the south talk about this because i did go to chapel hill for a year. i did understand the feel and it

was so complex, some of it. you know, the last -- the sign off on the local tv station was a very slow rendering of dixie. i got it. it's about loss. it's about loss. regional loss. it wasn't about, at least at that point about slavery. i get a sense they talk about the building on campus at chapel hill where they house the union soldiers horses during the war down there. so there's a lot of pain, a lot of, you know, sadness. we're talking here about celebration. celebration. what place does it have in our current environment, celebration of southern generals. >> right. and i would draw a distinction between celebration and commemoration. i think that you can commemorate the past. we should commemorate the past without mindlessel exalting figures who are at best complex and at worst simply not worthy of veneration. >> let's talk about this thing

that trump is trying to trump up here, and i think he is trufrpg it up literally. nobody is going after teddy voes svelte and the idea of going after shave owners you'd have to basically take away our history because the first six presidents or so had shaifs. you'd have to go after people like washington and all the southern guys, the ones who followed him madison and monroe and the rest. where do we stop at saying we're going to recognize our history, accept it for what it was and move on and when are we going to say, no, someone has to be did he celebrated, taken away from our site. >> i've wrestled this for a long time. i grew up on a civil war battlefield. this is not new territory for me. my sense is you draw the line at public veneration with those who were ultimately devoted to the journey toward a more perfect

union versus those who wanted to end that journey, and the confederate hierarchy was explicitly about ending that journey and becoming their own balance con iced country with a different understanding of human liberty. and we can argue and talk for the rest of the year about a sense of tragedy, a sense of southern identity, the fact that many -- most confederate soldiers didn't own slais. any number of themselves we could talk and it's fascinating and it's our story. it's what shelby foot called the crossroads of our being. but we're in the 21st century. this is public property. and it seems to me that george washington, thomas jefferson, andrew jackson, james monroe s james madison, they're worthy of being both commemorated and celebrated because they were devoted to a project that ultimately led -- it took too long, too much bled shed bud it

ultimately led to the great achievements and that wouldn't have been possible most likely if we had stopped the experiment in 1865. >> john meacham, you're great. it's good to have you on and great to hear your voice and i respect it a lot. >> thank you. >> up next, hillary clinton says her skin crawled during that -- look at this -- during that second presidential debate with donald trump. remember he loomed up behind her on the stage? we know how she responded. she chose option a, she said. but what was her option b? what was she thinking about doing and what did you think about that weird looming behind her. you're watching "hardball." david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. ♪

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president trump has spent plenty of time going after his 2016 opponent, hillary clinton, of course, even bashing her again last night during his rally in phoenix. but now secretary clinton is telling her side in her upcoming book entitled what happened.

like a question. an audio excerpt obtained exclusive when trump behind her repeatedly hovering over her as she tried to answer questions. she recounts him actually looming behind her, saying she struggled to keep her composure. let's listen to hillary clinton herself in the tape recording. >> donald trump was looming behind me. two days before the world heard him brag about groping women. now we were on a small stage, and no matter where i walked, he followed me closely, staring at me, making faces. it was incredibly uncomfortable. he was literally breathing down my neck. my skin crawled. >> well, secretary clinton goes on to pose a rhetorical question for readers. >> well, what would you do? do you stay calm, keep smiling

and carry on as if he weren't repeatedly invading your space? or do you turn, look him in the eye and say loudly and clearly, back up, you creep. get away from me. i know you love to intimidate women, but you can't intimidate me, so back up. >> well, ultimately she didn't confront trump that way. she explains why. >> maybe i have over learned the lesson of staying calm, biting my tongue, digging my fingernails into a clenched fist, smiling all the while, determined to present a composed face to the world. >> let's bring in our roundtable for this. so let me go right through the line there. what is your view of hillary's explanation of what happened and her concern about it and her second thoughts?

>> it really reads like, well, i guess she reads it, you know, like you get in an argument with somebody and then you think of all the things you would have said after they've talked away. and this is sort of her reflecting on that moment and thinking about all the things she could have said or could have done. you know, she had a similar moment with the lazio debate when she was running for senate in the year 2000. in that case it worked out kind of well for her. it was a pivotal moment in the campaign. this -- >> receive his papers, he was happeneding something to her. >> broke her space. >> and he broke the space agreement. and she benefited from his awful behavior. >> right. but this time it just didn't even register. you have to remember this was a debate where donald trump and his team had brought women who had accused former president bill clinton of all kinds of terrible things. this was a weird debate. >> we were going to get to see the whole movement -- we're watching stills for some reason. i think we should see the tape of him walking across the set,

standing behind her and sort of roomg there. i hope we've got that tape. there he is. he's coming over and, look, he's just coming over. it is creepy, not to overuse that term. look at him. he's like the phantom in the old comic books. what's the phantom doing there? >> it is a really weird moment, chris. the other thing i thought is it's kind of remarkable to hear hillary clinton talk about this in her own voice. we're not used to that voice from hillary clinton. she's normally excessively cautious if anything. there was a lot of blood and guts there and a lot less of the impassive iron lady we typically see. >> for her to talk about this right now, it does bring back the memories of what it was like as a woman to watch donald trump do this to hillary clinton. some of us have had stories of men stalking us on the street, invading our personal space. and i think really and truly, to put this in context, remember, this is two days after the "access hollywood" take place came out when he was bragging about grabbing women. and then in november all of this

happening. we hear about the take place. we see how he treated hillary clinton and yet so many white women, 53% of white women voted for trump anyway. if i were hillary clinton right now and i was going on the book tour i would like to have a bit of a listening tour, asking women why after -- >> i'm sorry. your last is -- you're working on a pronunciation. i got focused on it. let me ask you about this. do you believe that she's being honest about saying her skin crawled? i'm in a tense debate for the presidency and i'm thinking about my next thoughts and a lot of things, i don't like this guy. my attitude might be screw this guy, he's a jack ass to stand behind me like this. do you really think she was upset by his presence and felt harassed? i don't know. >> i believe her. i believe when she says that. again -- >> she's a pretty tough person.

she's been around people that can be awful. i thought she would be tougher. i don't know. she's speaking her mind. >> i think she is a tough person, but i do take her at her word and i think there is a real parallel being drawn here by her and other women who might have experienced this kind of thing in other professional circumstances. in the moment not really knowing exactly what the right way to react is. >> well, as a guy why would you do if another guy did that to you? would you turn around and do what w did to you at that time, what are you crazy walking into my space? he destroyed gore with that stuff. >> he did. he did it by using humor -- >> he just looked at the guy what a dush bag you are -- >> but he made gore appear weird. >> he does this. i'm not saying -- >> yeah. >> he's dismissive. >> it's easy to say afterwards. i've never done anything like a president aldell bait. hillary clinton has chosen to highlight this now.

why do you think? to bring this particular story to public discussion like we're doing right now. >> they're trying to sell a book. >> aren't you cold. >> when you're releasing excerpts of a book, you want to put something out there that is going to make people want to buy it. her past books have sold rather well -- she's going to -- >> they've all been very dry recitations. >> let's hope. you know what i want from all politician. i want the book like kathryn graham wrote years ago where she told an honest story about her marriages, difficult things in her life. so true, overwhelm. it not only got awards but my god, what a strong person. it wasn't something just to get three the month with. it's very easy to say that. those books are hard to write. hillary clinton's daughter chelsea clinton publicly defended a member of the trump family today after the daily caller wrote an article spielgtsed it's high time bar ron trump dressed like he's in the white house. chelsea clinton said it's high

time the media and everyone leave bar ron trump alone and let him have the private child he deserves. >> children, minor children. >> score one for chelsea. >> absolutely. i think chelsea clinton knows what she's talking about here. she's the first one, i think, to bear the brunt of the modern media environment as a child in the white house. >> good on chelsea. he's an 11-year-old kid. if anything, it was refreshing seeing a kid being a kid. i think programs the daily caller had nothing better to do. >> the roundtable skiking with us and up next they're going to tell me more of what i don't know. this is "hardball" where the action is. dates. you look amazing.

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>> i'm going to tell you something, it's a non -- no democrat is going to vote for that wall. >> i'll go a little global in scope. >> that's not something you can do with reconciliation. >> looks like some people in germany are trying to get high of the trump supply, if you've heard about the $45,000 of trump-shaped ecstasy pills that were busted by german authorities. >> what's the effect of ecstasy? is it a high? >> it makes you feel good. imagine, trump making people feel good in germany. >> it must be a short-term effect? >> well, here in the u.s., i mean, speaking of getting high and enjoying trump, there's a beer brewery in minnesota. they're launching a new beach-flavored beer called impeach trump. a sour peach-flavored -- >> did you see conan o'brien. guess who was leading the impeach trump calls last night in phoenix, mike pence? thank you so much. we'll be right back with trump watch. let's see,

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trump watch, wednesday, august 23rd, 2017. if we have to close down our government, we are building that wall. whatever the president's personal stability or lack of it, there's something insane about what he said last night in phoenix. he said he is ready to bring down the u.s. government, the government he's pledged to lead. does this president know the sequences about failure by the american government to pay its bills? does he know what the world would look like if this country

was no longer good for its signature, that we'd be left standing before the world as a global deadbeat? would trump do this to get his wall built? would he play hostage with america's worldwide credit, destroy the stature of the american dollar? would he play chicken with the u.s. congress in order to get it to pay for his wall, between here and mexico? would he stick to that demand, even as the financial life drains out of our government, and our country itself. would he let america bleed, so that he could make a point about his wall. i'm sorry, did we forget something? why would he hold the government hostage if the wall, as he said, was going to be paid for by mexico? if mexico is actually going to pay for the wall, why does he need the u.s. gong to approve the expenditure? ever think about that? or am i missing something more profound? that this president doesn't mean the word he says. but suspeisn't that appoint i m last night before his tirade in phoenix, where he once again

proved our suspicions true, that donald trump doesn't mean the meaning of his words but wants the crowd reaction. that's "hardball" for now. all "all in with chris hayes" ss right now. good evening from new york miami chris hayes. we have some breaking news tonight, for the second day in a row, we have more evidence that the president seems to be obsessed with russia, with russian policy, and crucially, the russian investigation. and that obsession is driving a wedge between the president and the republican party. last anytime, "the new york times" reported that during a phone call with senator mitch mcconnell that quickly devolved into a profane shouting match, the president was animated about what he intimated was the senate leader's refusal to protect him from investigations of russian interference in the 2016 election. tonight, we have learned of two more phone calls to republican senators, according to a new report from politico. trump expressed frustration over a bipartisan bill sanctioning russian and tried to convince senate foreign relations chairman bob