harvey. brett stevens, hurricanes and presidents. >> hurricanes and republicans, i should say. hurricane andrew, devastating to george h.w. bush because of the perception of the bad botched response. hurricane katrina in 20005 ship wrecked bush's second term and don't forget sandy and mitt romney. so trump ought to watch out. >> and obviously the politics of distance. our thoughts and prayers for safety to everybody in the zone. my thanks to everyone. that does it for our hour. i'm nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now. >> hi, nicolle. and if it is thursday, new threats from the president against the gop. tonight, the president versus his own party. >> i think the relationships are fine. certainly there are going to be some policy differences. >> who would america blame if the government shuts down. >> it's really important that the president succeeds because it he succeeds, then the country

succeeds. >> plus culture wars. >> i love all the people of our country. >> does his rhetoric trump his lack of accomplishments. and the democrats, no leader, no agenda and no majority in congress. could their future lie outside of washington? we'll hear from colorado governor john hick enloorp, who may run for president. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm katy terr in new york in for chuck todd. and welcome to "mtp daily." the president has a lot of jobs but perhaps two of the biggest are leading his party and running the government. so why is he scorching his parties leadership, threatening them with a government shutdown and blaming them for creating a mess with the debt limit? the relationship between the president and his party was already in turmoil after the

president's comments about charlottesville. and all of this right now isn't helping. despite the white house's insistence today that everything is, quote, fine. it's not just a war with leadership either. it's a number of critical republican senators. republican senator corker recently said mr. trump may not understand the character of this nation and may not have the stability or competence to lead it. here is the white house reaction today to those comments. >> i think that's a ridiculous and outrageous claim and doesn't dignify a response from this podium. >> the white house also wouldn't rule out a government shutdown if the republican congress doesn't fulfill the president's campaign promise to build a wall along the southern border. >> the president has talked pretty extensively about this. he campaigned on the wall. he won on talking about building a wall. and he's going to make sure that that gets done and he'll

continue to fight for that funding and ensure that it takes place. >> over and over again he said mexico is bg to pay for the wall. his crowds chanted back at him mexico is going to pay for it and now he's threatening a shutdown of the government. >> once again, the president is committed to making sure this happens and we're going to push forward. >> but if the white house is going to charge that hill, the speaker of the house isn't. >> i don't think a government shutdown is necessary and i don't think most people want to see a goth shutdown. ourselves included. >> the president also blasted ryan and mcconnell over looming negotiations to raise the debt limit. he blamed them for creating a, quote, mess, because they didn't tie that legislation to the va bill. but the president's treasury secretary and mitch mcconnell sound like they don't want anything tied to the debt limit. if that legislation doesn't pass, it could tank the economy. >> this is about having a clean debt ceiling so that we can

maintain the best credit, the reserve currency and being focusing on really important issues for the economy. >> let me just add, there is zero chance, no chance that we won't raise the debt ceiling. no chance. >> and paul ryan today didn't sound in the mood for any games either. he said, quote, it's gonna get done because it's gonna get done. it's worth noting that mr. trump has advocated for defaulting on the debt before as a way to exact political revenge. >> when it comes time to default they're not going to remember any of the republicans names. they're going to remember in history books one name and that's obama. >> i'm joined now by nbc correspondent gar ret headache who has been covering congress for us. and nbc's national political correspondent steve kornacki called the trump culture war and why it matters. all right. lots of fights going on. he's blasting the gop for their

leadership. he's threatening a government shoutdown. he's threatening possibly fighting over the debt limit. garrett, to what end? >> that's the million-dollar question. part of it is to keep his own hands clean. if he doesn't own the problem he can be the guy cracking on the whip on the republican party. i was struck today in this news conference by sarah sanders describing the relationship between the president and majority leader of his own party fine. if my wife says things are fine, i know i'm in trouble. >> i know your wife and if she did say that, you are in trouble. >> so this is a problem and the debt limit part of it is a big deal. the land mine everybody can see. that sound bite from president trump before he is president trump, he is barak obama in that scenario. it is a mess, but he's the one who has got to lead them around that land mine. >> it sounds like senator schumer is rooting for a shutdown.

>> well, the democrats are in an interesting position right here because they can exact some political pain here. i don't think schumer wants a shutdown, but i think he wants it to be republicans who have to fight among themselves to figure out how to stop it. that said, all this talk about president trump's approval rating and where he's at right now, his numbers are right now with a booming economy. if the government shuts down and it messes up the markets, that's a whole another world of hurt for this president. >> does the president have all the right enemies right now? he's going after his own party, congress, but. >> this is the challenge with donald trump that we haven't had with past presidents. you look on paper and the poll numbers are terrible, but the position that donald trump occupancy, not just in the media landscape but in all of culture, he is central to all sort of american popular culture right now. he has been since before the election and he's going to be as far out as we can see. we haven't had that with other presidents before. and there's so much sort of negative heat coming in on him, i guess you could say, from the media, from popular culture.

>> he takes so much heat as he likes to say. >> we saw this in the campaign. we saw a record number of people who voit for him who had an extremely low opinion of it. why was that in was that just about hillary clinton? it absolutely could be. might be that. or was it about something else? was it a reaction of some republican voters in particular to the media and to all of culture pushing so hard against trump. >> it was not just about hillary clinton. it was about their disdain for congress. they can't get anything done. they don't tell us the truth. it was the media not telling the stories that they wanted to hear and then plooefg the media didn't tell them the truth. congress has a lower approval rating than donald trump is. >> that's the piece of this. my god, if you're trump, why would you want to antagonize mcconnell, why would you want to antagonize ryan. take a look at how mitch mcconnell polls. when you put that name out there publicly, he's associated with what trump calls the swamp. there was a poll back in june. 15% favorable rating for mitch mcconnell. that's who he's picking a fight

with. >> we have a poll. politico morning consult poll saying that among republicans who is looking out for gop's interest, trump, 52%. mitch mcconnell, 25%. that's interesting. i'd be interested to see the kentucky numbers that's the state he needs to get elected in. when the president threatens a government shutdown and it's working for him to be fight be couldn't stal with everyone around him, do you mean of do you believe him when he sas this? >> i think he has an instinct to raise the stakes rhetoricly to make it look like he's picking the ultimate fight. i don't think he's executing a strategy here. i don't think there's a five paint -- >> he's not playing three-dimensional chess. >> it's bra va dough. that's all we've seen from him for two years. >> should mitch mcconnell worry about trump making their lives a

living held. >> mitch mcconnell is comfortable living in a living hell. he's perfectly comfortable being the punching bag. i don't see him being particularly worked up about this. the next time he appears on the ballot he will be next to donald trump in 2020. >> he's got tom sometime. >> he's got some time to work this through. >> what about senator flake and heller. >> they're in deep trouble. i was in arizona this week and i was talking to a lot of these folks lined up to get into this trump event. jeff flake is actually a pretty reliable vote for the president trump's agenda. the trump voters there are with the% a 100% of the way on this. the amount that they have turned on jeff flake the last couple of weeks, couple of months as the president has turned on him, he's got problems. >> take a listen to what jeff flake said about whether or not donald trump might face a primary challenger in 2020. >> the direction he's headed right now just kind of drilling down on the base rather than trying to expand the base, you

know, i think he's inviting one. >> he's inviting a primary challenger according to senator flake. >> the story of 2016, 2015, 2016 from the republican standpoint was you looked at trump's poll numbers in general and among republicans and it was so p tant liesing if you were a republican who wanted to stop trump, the ingredients looked like they were there. he's not that popular with republicans. there's all these weaknesses. and nobody could find that combination. cruz couldn't, rubio couldn't -- >> how would trump fair in a one-on-one razor a one on two race as opposed to a one on 16 race? >> i think that the thing about trump and his appeal in the republican party and made it difficult for anyone to gain traction on him. traditionally was sort of a rump candidate. it's clearly there the tea party side, religious right side, clearly from the left side. trump was drawing support from the tea party r from moderates in the primaries, kerchlt, very

sevlt, religious right. he really was getting support -- it was broad and anti-establishment and that's very different from coming from one very ideological. >> a rump candidate. i haven't heard that. >> yank that fast all the time. >> yes, you can. garrett headache, so good to see you in person. steve kornacki, always wonderful to see you as well. >> thanks. >> i'm joined now by republican congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania. thank you so much for joining us. i want to start straight off. >> thank you. >> with senator flake and him saying potentially that he could face -- the president could face a primary challenging in 2020. do you agree? >> well, sure the president could face a primary challenger. any republican running for office could face a challenger. so nobody should be shocked about that. >> he's saying he's inviting one. that's a little different. >> for whom, for jeff flake or -- >> the president is inviting a primary challenger.

>> well, look, i think there's that potential. i think it's a little early because most of us in congress right now are focused on 2018 and this cycle. most of us, to be candid, katy, are not looking at 2020. i know some are, but if you're asking if there would be a primary in 2020 at the presidential level the answer is of course there could be, but right now it's about 2018 for most of us. >> isn't it interesting that your immediate answer is not of course not he's going to be president in 2020. he's going to be elected. if you asked any democrat that in 2004 they would -- or 2008, excuse me, they would have said absolutely president obama is going to be the candidate again and he's going to win. >> well, that's correct. well, this has been a very unusual presidency to be sure because we've had a very tumultuous several months. and i know there are a lot of us concerned about the sustain ability of the situation given what we've been going through over the last few months. no question about it.

>> talking about a government shutdown, either fund the wall or shut down the government as the president is suggesting chlgt is it a fight that you're going to be willing to have with the president? >> shutting down the government at this point would be an act of political malpractice. the border funding -- we have border security funding in the appropriations bill passed out of the house in july. the time to have that debate about border funding will be in december when we deal with the omnibus appropriations bill, not in september with this 75-day continuing resolution to fund the government. it would be a terrible mistake. >> go ahead. >> and also, by the way, we're wnt going to default on our obligations either. that would an a catastrophic event to default. undermine us as a reserve currency. that is simply not going to happen. but shutting the government down is just simply, it's a fool's errand to think that it would be in anyone's interests to do that. >> so what do house republicans

do? do they just reject the president? >> i'll tell you what we'll do. we will pass a continuing reds lugs to keep the government funded. we'll also pass a debt ceiling. i would recommend we put the two issues together and, you know, if we really get ambitious here we could pass a bipartisan agreement, put it all together. these things will paul require bipartisan collaboration, by the way. that's inevitable. put them together. and if we can't get an agreement on those items, then we will just have to pass the debt ceiling cleanel. and that's what the treasury secretary has asked for, mnuchin. we also pass a clean continuing resolution. the bottom line is there are plenty of option for us to advance both a funding of the government and a debt ceiling. this shouldn't be that hard. but as you know how congress is, we can make things awfully dramatic when we don't need to. this is straightforward stuff. this is a basic, fundamental act of governance and we have to get this thing done and we have to do it right. >> that's an understatement making it complicated. a lot of folks on congress have

been questioning the president's judgment on a number of issue, his response on a number of issues, not to mention a number of his tweets. at what point does questioning the character and not having faith in the character of the president trump trying to get the republican agenda done? >> well, i think it's fair to say that most of my colleagues in the house and i suspect the senate are more than a bit frustrated and frankly exhausted with, you know, being forced to respond to the tweet of the moment, you know, whether it's going after jeff flake or john mccain or ken fraser from america or whatever -- when the president, you know, makes those statements or issues those tweets, it drives the whole media narrative and that's what we talked about. i wish the president would use his twitter account to, say, talk about the tax code being 70,000 pages long or why we need to do infrastructure in 140 characters. that would be nights. that would be helpful. that would drive the media narrative on agenda items that we agree with the president need

to be dealt with. >> what do you make of the president saying today that it's just his change in tone that is working for him, spevel seeing a different tone from one day to the next, the speech he gave the other day that was broadcast nationally about afghanistan, then the pennsylvania -- excuse me, the arizona rally and then the speech in front of the american legion. they were all rather different. the president tweeted about them today saying one was somber and phoenix was fun. do you think that's appropriate, the president quote unquote changing tones? >> well, i think when you're president and you -- you really can't shift tones so easily. what he did on afghanistan i thought was a very measured, thoughtful statement. i think the policy was pretty good. then i thought arizona -- i didn't think that was particularly fun or funny. i didn't think that was very -- as presidential as it should have been. and then he gave the speech yesterday. so, you know, i guess the president when he speaks, he's

speaking to everyone all the time. it's pretty hard to narrow cast as a president. every time he speaks, everybody hears what he says and different audiences, you know, interpret those events differently. and i think that's something that the president, you know, needs to understand, that it's hard for him to narrow cast this stuff out there. sh hears everything he says and sometimes it creates a certain level of uncertainty for our friends and allies, because they're not always sure exactly where he is. i was in germany recently, and they're concerned about how to interpret what it is the president is saying. and, you know, i've heard the term used over there strategy patients to deal with the president of all things. so that's something i just think that the president should be concerned about. his words have meaning and different people interpret them in different ways. >> i want to squeeze one question in very quickly. who do other countries listen to? do they listen to the president or the state department? are they being told behind the

scenes to ignore the president and just listen to rex tillerson? >> well, i can't say what people are being -- i can't tell you what people are being told, but i am concerned that on issues, for example, like trade and nato, i had some difference of opinion with the president on those two issues. and i think many of the president's staff, you know, particularly the national security team and tillerson have more traditional, conventional views of american leadership in europe on nato and as it relates to opening markets through trade. and i think there has been -- and also the vice president, i should include in that category too. and so we often -- the president may say one thing and to be contradicted by his staff at other times, it is challenging. and i think our friends overseas, you know, are a bit confused by this. and they're befulgdsed by it and they want to understand what the american position is. i relay to them that i believe that the united states will continue to play its traditional

role in the world and we will honor our obligations, but there's uncertainty because of these conflicting statements that we've been hearing between the president and some of his senior staff. >> congressman charlie denlt. thank you so much for joining us, sir. >> thank you, katy. great to be with you. and coming up, could trying to build a wall tear down president trump's relationship with congress? >> ♪

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♪taking care of business. tais really quite simple.est it comes in the mail, you pull out the tube and you spit in it, which is something southern girls are taught you're not supposed to do. you seal it and send it back and then you wait for your results. it's that simple. he's making a conscious decision to let his base know when i said i want to build a wall, i meant to build a wall. he's running it against mitch mcconnell and lindsey graham and others. the congress is very unpopular, particularly with the republican base. so there's nothing unhinged about it. it's a political strategy. >> welcome back. let's bring in tonight's panel. joining me from washington, national reporter for "the new york times" and an msnbc contributor. daniel la gibz la say, senior vice president for communications and strategy at the center for american progress

and alfonso, president of the la tee notice partnership for conservative principles. he was the former chief of the u.s. office of citizenship of george w. bush. a mean, gosh, i almost want to say will the real lindsey graham please stand up. we asked that question about the president yesterday. what is going on with lindsey graham? >> it's really incredible because i think that lindsey gram has obviously someone been critical of the president. in some ways i think that the republican party as a whole finds itself having to continuously in some ways dance around the fact that donald trump is still president and that they have to get things done. >> so is this how you do it, daniel la? is this how you go about it? on one day you slam him or don't agree with him and the next day it's all political strategy, i agree with him? >> i guess that's what they're going to have to do. i'm a little sad for him.

wake up in the morning and say, okay, which lindsey graham am i going to be today based on what craziness he's tweeting. the republican party, they're going to have to figure out what's more important, passing their plans that are going to give tax cuts to the wealthiest americans or saving the country from donald trump. they're going to have to figure out which is their priority. >> alfon sew, do you think it's that dire? >> well, look, let me first of all defend lindsey graham. look, obviously as republicans, as conservatives, we have a president who is very particular, needless to say, and we're going to -- a position for the sake of a position is worthless. so we're going to take him a day at a time, an issue at a time. and i think on this issue, just senator graham is just stating a fact that president trump cares deeply about, you know, building a wall and border security. is it worth shutting down the government over building the wall? probably not. but, you know, i don't think it helps to oppose the president

every time he says something that's out of whack. so i think senator graham is being very focused in terms of what are the things that he's going to criticize about donald trump. >> alfon sew, you sound like a baseball manager who is dealing with a player who has got a hurt angle. we're going to take it a day at a time. this is the president. it's the republican party. >> i admit it. my position is nuanced. we live in washington and people force you to say you either love trump and you have to dwebd him at every turn or you have to attack him at every turn. i'm not going to be like that. >> so is the answer i don't necessarily love him, but i'm trying to deal with him. >> i don't necessarily love him, but i agree with most of his policies, so i'm going to try to work with him. and when he does something really wrong or says something really outrageous, i will criticize him. >> this is what's so remarkable about the republican party. as soon as the whole

charlottesville thing that happened and on tuesday the press conference the president held, i tweeted that day this feels like "access hollywood." there's going to be a lot of republicans come out say he's morally bankrupt and all these issues. they'll say we still have to work with him on policies. if you call someone morally bankrupt it's hard to turn around -- but that is the conundrum that they're in. they have to work with the president because their legacy stands on it. >> what about the credibility of congress, congress's approval ratings are in the tank right now. they have been for some time. and people don't trust them. so if a congressman comes out and says the president is morally bankrupt or i could never vote for him, i couldn't look my children in the eye and vote for this president, which many republicans did after the "access hollywood" tape, how do they then go to their voter, constituent and say believe me when i tell you to support this president on this idea, don't mind the fact that i said he's a

reprehensible human being just the other day. >> that's the problem that they have no credibility and that they're willing to sell out their own -- i hear you saying no, but i'm sorry, i think it's absolutely true. you can't on one hand say that this president is morally bankrupt and that he continuously does things like condone behavior of the white nationalists and on the next way say it's -- >> what do you propose? >> that they need to stand up. that they need to stand up and say actually, you know what? this is not normal. i think the problem is that we are talking about donald trump as if he is a normal president. that anything that has been happening since 2016 is normal -- >> if i may. >> sure. >> we have to put it in perspective. this is an administration that's seven months in. looic it or not, he is our president. we have to work with the white house. so just opposing him and just saying, you know, we're not going to work for him, that's going to hurt the country. and that's the position the democrat party is in. i mean, they're going to have to

be willing to propose ideas, to work with republicans if they want to get support from the american people. right now they're just complaining. >> whether or not they are going to, you know -- is the democratic base going to be willing to allow them to support the president. there's also a lot of folks out there who just want to see things get done and don't care who you work with to do it. roger stone, though, it's good to bring him up on this topic. he had an interview today where he was warning lawmakers that they thought -- even thought about impeaching trump, they were going to be in danger. the people who are calling for impeachment are the people who didn't vote for him. they need to get over it. people will not stand for impeachment of president trump. any politician who votes for it would be in dangering their own life. a mean, wow. >> i think roger stone is saying that and i think that there's a little bit of truth to that. obviously that's in some ways really, i guess, making a big deal out of that. bus here is the thing. yes, it is an issue if democrats

only make impeaching donald trump their main issue. i'm just writing a story that will be out tomorrow that talks about the fact that democrats are still struggling when it comes to their messaging. do they want to talk about confederate statues. do they want to talk about the voter integrity commission? do they want to then do rise and organize, which is what the dnc is doing. so they have to kind of actually have something to offer to the american people whether, whether that be that we're going to be fighting racism or have the economic answer. that said, i don't think it's completely ridiculous for -- at least for democrats who have really been opposing him for a long time to say you know what? i want him impeached. i don't think it's going to hurt them. i don't think it's going to help them either. republicans, of course, cannot do this because they have to work with their party. and the republicans say impeach donald trump is go to find themselves in hot water when it comes to getting primaried when it comes to getting stuff done, when it comes to even though mitch mcconnell and donald trump are arguing, mitch mcconnell is still realizing that the party has to get things done. >> getting funding for their re-election races. stay with us. appreciate the conversation. and still ahead, i'll talk

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welcome back. as we've been saying, the relationship between the white

house and republicans on capitol hill continues to deteriorate as infighting escalates between president trump and leaders in congress. but still, the party does very much remain in power. meanwhile, democrats lack any clear national leader and their party is trying to figure out how and whether they can take advantage of the republicans brewing civil war. they have to decide whether to oppose the president and the republican party's agenda at all costs or whether to reach out to the other side of the aisle and try to find any space where they can agree on something. this second option is already happening to a degree outside of washington. purple state governors, democrat john hickenlooper of colorado and republican john kasich of ohio are plachk to releasing their own health care proposal. and joining me now to talk about that and more is the governor of colorado, john hickenlooper. governor, thank you so much for joining us.

>> fwlad to be with you. >> so you're governing in a purple state. you're open to working with a republican governor. you've got a republican majority in your statehouse. how should republicans -- or excuse me, how should democrats in congress deal with the other side of the aisle? >> well, i think health care is an example where we have a real necessity to make improvements to the system, and no one party is going to have all the answers. and certainly the republicans if they do it just by themselves, early indications have not been favorable that the system will actually be improved. so i think the key here and what governor kay sick and i are trying to work on is to none straight that a bipartisan approach, and governing generally can be a little less bipartisan generally, but john kasich and i are working with other republican and democratic governors to say what does a compromise look like on some of these solutions. >> i'm going to get to that in a moment, but i want to focus a little bit more on democrats in

congress. if it comes to a government shut doup, do democrats stand to benefit politically? >> oh, i don't know. i don't even -- you know, i worry about that kind of -- that hyperbole. i mean, i think it's very unlikely it's going to happen. probably they would benefit, but i think the focus is we should be trying to do, whether we're democrats or republicans, trying to do what we can to keep moving the ball down the road and find that -- those places where we can find agreement. i mean, while we're squaulk in washington, the world is moving forward, right. >> yeah. >> and we've got to continue to be part of that motion. >> so is resist at all cost just a bad idea for democrats? >> well, in certain places when it comes down to basic civil rights, i think you do have to resist at all costs, but when is it comes to health care and making sure we don't roll back coverage, that we do begin to find some solutions to the problems that have been nagging the affordable care act, then i think that's when we roll up our sleeves and go to work.

>> one more before we get to health care specifically. who is the leader of the democratic party right now? >> oh, there's so many leaders and a lot of younger leaders coming up as well. >> can you give me a name, governor? >> oh, sure. if you want to look in the senate, bennett, who is our democrat from colorado. i think is very tal enltd, brilliant speaker, just a remarkable thinker. he's a rising leader. senator schumer -- there's a whole list. cory booker if you step back and look at what he's done in his life, he is a star. >> thank you for giving me a nam. you were the first democrat i've had on that's actually given me a name. talking about 2020, there are rumors out there that you're interested in running for president. can you firm that? >> no. we're doing some stuff in colorado that will we are very excited about. we're doing an apprenticeship and work force training program that we're going to scale that

is -- i don't think there's anything like it in the country. we've got several things like that. the moment i start worrying about what happens in, you know, in 503 days when i finish my term as governor, the moment i put a packet together, get a committee together, then not only am i distracted, but everyone who works with me, my cabinet, everyone gets distracted and then we're not going to do a good job of he getting these last programs done and done write. >> 500 days is about the time it takes to run for a president. i remember i was on the campaign trail for about 500 days, maybe a little more. are you saying you're not exploring it whatsoever at the moment? >> yaul. we're not. i mean, people ask me and obviously i talk about it from time to time, but, you know, apprentice ships, we're working on really making colorado not just the thinnest state but the healthiest state in america. if we can get some of these things then we're actually creating a model of how do you create good, high quality jobs that are available for everybody, for people from all different back grounds. that kind of stuff is really

exciting. but it's going to take a lot of work. it's going to take every bit of 503 days. >> governor, tell me a little bit more about your proposal with governor caseic. what exactly are you guys laying out? >> we're working with some other republican governors and other democratic governors, steve bullock from montana, rusty baker from massachusetts just as a couple. and looking at what are those places where we need improvements to the affordable care act to make that private -- the private segment, the private insurance market more stable. and so we're looking at how do we get rid of the reinsurance problems, you know thanks we have certain users that are very, very expensive and that races the rates for everybody. so we want to try and get those very expensive, chronic ill ngs patients. we have people to average out to that the impact on insurance rates isn't so dramatic.

they don't go up so much. things like that. make sure we have the cost sharing reductions in place so there's incentive for more people to make sure they do pay for insurance. >> governor, last question. are you going to see fish at particular's next week? >> am i what? >> are you going to see fish, the band? >> i hope so. we'll see. >> i think you should. governor hickenlooper, it's going to be a good show. i keep hearing about it. i'm not going to be able to get there. thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate that. >> you bet. >> and this sunday on "meet the press," chuck todd will look at how passionately divided americans are over president trump. among chuck's guests will be ohio governor john kasich. we'll be right back. has been excellent. they always refer to me as master sergeant. they really appreciate the military family, and it really shows. we've got auto insurance, homeowners insurance. had an accident with a vehicle, i actually called usaa before we called the police. usaa was there hands-on very quick very prompt. i feel like we're being handled as people

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opponent is fighting amongst themselves you don't need to jump in the middle. you can hone your message and figure out what it is that you want to do. i don't think they are lost. >> what do they want to do moving forward? >> i mean, look, i think there's this false choice of do we talk about race, do we talk about the committee? do we appeal to the obama electorate or talk to white working class voters. you have to talk to everybody in the country. you don't want to do what donald trump is doing which is talking to a small sliver of his base. i hope they are coming to that realization and figure out you can have an economic message that talks to somebody who lives in detroit and somebody who lives in rural west virginia. >> there's a new poll that says most believe that democrats should control the house. 49% to 34% for republicans. is there any concern among the

republican party that donald trump will lose those independent voters that might have held their nose and cast a vote for him? >> absolutely. things can change dramatically in one year. if they win the house and senate we will probably see an impeachment process and donald trump will need to depend on mitch mcconnell to defend him. michael bennett, corey garner. what are you hearing among those people? >> most of the democrats are

very weary of giving names. is there are people exciting. i think the democrat party is look at the new fresh faces. we talk about republicans so much and when i say cory, i say gardener and i mean booker. npr has an interesting survey out as well. it says one in ten primary sanders voters cast a ballot for trump. i'm inclined to believe this because we would see sanders voters wander in and if i don't decide to vote for bernie, i'm going to vote for trump.

>> where to begin with that. how do you reach somebody who supports a bernie sanders who agenda is opposed to what donald trump is doing. i think if you ask bernie sanders that he and donald trump had anything in common he can say probably not. no. >> they stood on the same ground when it came to tpp and a number of trade issues. the vast majority of what bernie sanders was fighting for is what donald trump is against. there was overlap in being anti-trade. there were remedies in how to approach the solution. i think it's the one in ten. i'm not sure how you reach those folks because they are so different. >> you want to jump in real fast? >> someone who covered both donald trump and bernie sanders for a for long time, their voters are a lot more similar than democrats want to admit.

not only about trade, it's about the fact that economic, people feel as though the democrats and republicans with the job support saying this is great country and things are getting better that their lives aren't changing. they really want change. i don't know that nancy pelosi if they will be excited about an elite candidate. >> they wanted a disrupter. i'm going to have to leave it there. i cut you off early this week. i apologize for it. i'm tongue tied about it. after the break, a red scare hits happy hour.

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serving of alcoholic beverages. the issue, copper should not come into contact with acidic foods with a ph below 6. they say the ph of a traditional moscow mule is below 6. the press release is chemophobic fear mongering and that you don't need to worry about copper poisoning. moscow and poison are two words that when said together are really frightening. this is totally different thing though but proceed to happy hour at your own risk or use those mugs to drink a white russian. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. the beat with ari melber starts,000. if i drink a white russian will you call me dude? >> i just want to know how many white russians you've