that we owe and it sticks with you, i do think it's a big deal that somebody who is in this position has that amount of debt and he's carrying all of these huge responsibilities for our country that we did not elect him. it's a big deal. >> that will do it for us this hour. maria, john anthony, ron squared. that's what i'm going to do from now on, ron squared. thank you very much. "mtp daily" starts right now with the wonderful and amazing kristen welker, who is in for chuck. hi there, kristen. >> hi there, katy. we have a great labor day. well, if it's friday, could there be a calm after the storm in washington? tonight, the political storm. >> i think we have to come together in a bipartisan fashion and help folks down in texas. >> how will the steep cost of recovering from hurricane harvey affect president trump's priorities? will it cost him the wall? and the future for dreamers. >> we'll be releasing on daca sometime over the weekend. >> we have every confidence that president donald trump is going to honor his word and let the daca kids rest easy at night.

>> not everyone is so sure. will the president end the obama era daca program that protects hundreds of thousands of undocumented daca people? this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. and good evening. i'm kristen welker in new york in for chuck todd. welcome to "mtp daily." we begin tonight with this question. could it take a hurricane to calm the storm in washington? the white house's threats of a government shutdown seem to be quieting. the president is headed back to louisiana and texas tomorrow. and john mccain, even as he battles brain cancer, is using the moment to call on everyone in washington to come together, not just on harvey but on everything. the wild card as it's always been is the president. remember he said this just ten days ago. >> the obstructionist democrats would like us not to do it, but believe me, we have to close

down our government, we're building that wall. >> but then harvey happened, and right now the administration is sounding a noticeably different tone. >> now, this is obviously not the time to have a government shutdown, is it? is the president going to withdraw that threat? >> well, look, the administration has its priorities going forward. i will tell you, president trump has made it very clear, our top priority right now is dealing with hurricane harvey and its aftermath. >> and here is president trump today at the white house talking about unity after the storm. >> when one american suffers, and i say this quite a bit and especially lately when you see what's going on, we all sufferment we're one american family brought together in times of tragedy by the unbreakable bonds of love and loyalty that we have for one another. and there is a great love and a great loyalty in this country. and i think we've all seen it, maybe more so than ever before over the last four days. >> so government funding dries up at the end of the month.

now, according to several white house officials the president is likely going to support a short term funding extension until december. the key word there likely. but then it's game on. it might seem highly reckless for a president to pick a fight that could threaten harvey's cleanup efforts, but some conservatives like radio talk show host think he'll do it any way and then blame the republican congress for whatever ends up happening. and right now the feuding between president trump and congress is escalating. paul ryan and other top republican leaders in congress are urging him not to follow through in his campaign pledge to halt daca. that's the obama era immigration program that protects an estimated 800,000 people who were brought here as children illegallyment the president has signaled he's likely to do it any way. that decision is now expected on tuesday, and it comes as top republicans continue to voice their frustration with his tactics. in a blistering op-ed today senator john mccain writes we have to respect each other or at

least respect the fact that we need each other. that has never been truer today. and congress must govern with a president who has no experience in public office, is often poorly informed and can be impulsive in his speech and conduct. mccain goes on to say this we must respect his authority and constitutional responsibilities. we must where we can cooperate with him, but we are not his subordinates. we don't answer to him. we answer to the american people. we should value our identity as members of congress more than our partisan affiliation. what happens next? will our leaders unify around the common cause to repair the damage that's been done in perhaps more ways than one? i'm joined now by chief washington correspondent and the unofficial mayor of capitol hill. thanks so much for joining me. really appreciate it. >> happy to be doing it, actually. >> so let's talk about this broader theme here and i was talking to some folks on capitol hill last night who said it is possible that the hurricane will actually pave the way for some

more cooperation once congress returns. that means they think they could not only get funding for hurricane relief, but potentially get through the debt limit, some of those thorny issues in a much faster fashion than they would had we not had this hurricane of the what's your take? what are your sources telling you? >> yeah. i mean, i think that's true. i think that it's a different september than it was going to be before harvey. i think that the world has changed for congress now that they're coming back. you know, you and i both know it's going to be a big fight over money and the debt limit, the budget, and i think there's no appetite for that now that people want to come together, show that they can deliver some relief down to texas and louisiana. the republicans are in charge. these are big republican states. so i think, you know, for the moment things could move pretty smoothly. there's going to be some hick ups, i'm sure, but generally speaking, i think that everyone is on the same page right now. >> and just to talk specifics

because obviously when you think about a fall fight, the debt limit is a big one. do you expect that the hurricane relief funding is going to be tied to the debt limit? is that what you're hearing. >> i think they're still working out the details, but that would certainly be the easiest way to do it, pass something in the house, add the debt limit maybe later in the senate, send it back. now, that's going to irritate the conservatives in the house, the freedom caucus. they don't want to do that. but they might not have any choice. you know, no one wants to be against aid to texas and louisiana. so the leadership is going to do what they think is easiest and most expeditious way for them to do this. it's an advantage now that they have. >> and let's talk about this border fight for the funding for the border wall. >> the wall. >> absolutely. the president saying that initially he was going to shut down the government over the border wall. when you actually get into the knity grity, though, when you talk to officials at the white house and on capitol hill, they say the reality is the president will likely support a short-term

spending measure, perhaps three or four months, and then he's going to go to the mat over the border wall. is that consistent with what you're hearing or do you think eric eric son has a point, that the president might say this to the mat right now? >> i don't think that anyone wants to see us shut down right now. why would you during this national emergency that people are talking about, why would you want to say you know what? i'm going to shut down the government over a rather small budget item. i think the freedom caucus folks in the house have already said they're not going to insist on money for the border wall. i don't see it happening right now. and i'm not even sure it's going to be that big a fight later. you know, i think there's going to be a big spending deal that has to come together probably by december. there will be a lot of negotiating around it. but can you imagine having a big partisan fight right now over the wall and maybe want be able to get money and services down in texas? that doesn't sound like a great

selling point for government competency to me. >> i think you are likely right about that. but you make a very interesting point. you're saying, carl, you don't think there's going to be a big fight over the wall in december in a lot of people have a different take. why do you see it that way is this. >> no. i think there still could be. i just think there's a lot of cards to be played in this and there's a lot of ways to say you're going to increase border security, we're going to have fencing rather than a wall. i think that there's a lot that has to come together in this appropriations package. >> if you are being a complete skep particular you would look at some of these other potential moments to come together after the shooting, for example, of congressman steve scalise and then obviously after charlottesville. some people saw both of those as missed opportunities for bipartisanship and unity. the question becomes why is this moment different? >> this is one moment where congress has to do something. the government has to produce and deliver and not just talk about it. you know, this is the role that

the federal government is supposed to play. they're supposed to help out the states in these dire emergencies. you know, there's been some past ones too. september 11th is actually a great analogy to this too. you know, this national crisis. the parties who have been fighting managed to come together. you know, for at least a brief time to get some work done. so i think that, you know, is this going to solve all the participate ship in washington? no way. and there will be some partisan ship along the line right here, but right now people say hey, we have to get this done and let's for once in recent history look like we know what we're doing. >> and carl, before i let you go, very quickly, we got some news today. sarah huckabee sanders saying that the president will likely announce his decision on daca on tuesday. this is obviously an incredibly difficult issue. it's a lightning rod. you have republicans who were pressuring him not to get rid of

daca. do you have any sense of which way this is going to go? for example, as of late today a lot of sources were saying he actually might just leave this to the legal system and not weigh in really. what do you think? >> yeah. i'm not sure what the white house is going to do. there's really today as it's developed there's been building resistance poet from capitol hill, from the states. i think the white house and the president are under a lot of pressure. and this is also sort of affected by the storm. texas is one of the biggest states for dreamers, and, you know, if he unrafls this program right now, even though they would keep people who are now participating in the program, let them finish their time, you know, it's going to be seen as another punitive step during the hurricane recovery. so there's a lot of issues at work here. very tough decision. but the president also wants to be showing his base that he is committed to this. so we'll have to see what

happens. they've given us the weekend to wait for it now. >> we will spend the whole weekend talking about it and we'll be watching very closely on tuesday. >> exactly. >> carl, great to see you as always. thanks so much for your insights. >> have a great weekend. >> and joining me now is former white house chief of staff and nbc political analyst andy card. thanks so much for joining me. really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> i want to first -- i want to get your take on president trump's handling of hurricane harvey. and is this a chance, as i was just discussing with carl, for not only this president but this republican congress to really get some movement not only obviously on the hurricane relief package but on other pieces of legislation? >> well, the reality of the hurricane harvey is that it's a game changer and it's a game changer on a number of fronts including on the political front. but i think first of all the president has earned high marks for how autos responded and he's got a particularly good team. i think john kelly does a great job as chief of staff.

but tom bossert at the white house has been phenomenal in how he's understood what has happened in the past in other administration and brought lessons learned to dealing with hurricane harvey. and you also have elaine duke, who is a very competence fill in for the homeland security secretary and doing a great job. so i think there are good things happening. and then you've got brock long, who has done a very good job, and he came to a few office of director of fema understanding what happened down in alabama during a hurricane and other crises. so i give the president high marks for how he's responded. the trick or the real challenge is to make sure there is continued interest in helping to meet the problems down in houston and louisiana. and that means you have to have a cadence to how the cabinet works and make sure that we don't give the impression that they're being forgot ten as they struggle through recovery. recovery will take a very, very long time. and we want to make sure the president, the white house and

the entire cabinet is not forgetting the responsibility that they have to pay attention, even when all the lights are gone. >> and this very divisive issue is looming overall of this which i was just talking about with carl which is of course daca. and when this hurricane first hit, you had president trump appear nounsing that he was going to pardon joe par pio. very controversial figure. now the white house weighing what to do about daca. so many people who live in texas would be impacted by a potential decision. it raises the question is this president capable of unifying, these sort of book ends a reminder of how many divisive issues he's dealing with at once. >> i hope that he's capable of it. i didn't agree with the pardon that he issued, but i agree that he has the constitutional authority and it is what it is. and he did it. so other presidents have pardoned people that i didn't think they should pardon and that's not unusual. with regard to daca, i happen to agree with speaker ryan. i think that he's got a very

rational response to the whole debate over daca. and i think it would be a mistake to change the relationship between the dreamers and the united states government especially when texas is being so impacted by such a terrible crisis, and there are many dreamers in texas. it's probably got the highest percentage of dreamers of any state in the union. >> that's right. and obviously that raises the political stakes for this president. the white house we will aware of it. and based on my reporting, that's part of why you have this very vigorous internal debate that's going on right now inside the white house. let me switch to another obviously very politically thorny issue. the border wall. eric eric son said this, the conservative blogger, who i foresee happening is president trump will of demand congress fund both disaster relief and the wall or the government shuts down. then president trump can blame congressional republicans for failing to both take care of texas and secure our border.

that is a pretty skeptical view of what might happen and this republican president. what do you make of that assessment? >> well, first of all, i hope that there will be bipartisan support to help the people of texas and louisiana, who desperately need it. so the last thing you want to have the president do is be a party to some game that would cause the aid not to be there when that part of the country desperately it needs it and our economy needs it. we have to do it for the people that were impacted. the second thing is i think they're going to tighten up on border security, whether there's a wall or no wall. i think that debate will continue for some time. i don't think you should hold up government over the funding of the wall, especially given the reality that we are in the midst of dealing with a horrendous hurricane that created lots of problems for people. these are people problems. they aren't philosophical problems. people are struggling and we've got to be their partners as they work their way through the

struggles that they have. and the government should be a partner, not using this as a political tool. >> and just to follow-up on that, do you think that it would be inappropriate to tie anything to the funding? because there is a lot of discussion right now both at the white house and on capitol hill will tying the debt limit to funding for texas relief, primarily because it is such a tough issue, and republicans think, hey, this might be our best chance of getting the debt limit raised without a big fight and then we can move on to other issues like tax reform? >> well, i think it's very important that we do increase the debt limit. that sends a signal to the entire world and it sends a signal to those who care about our economy. but i also want to make sure that we fund what is necessary to help governor abbott meet the responsibilities of the citizens of texas as a result of what happened with hurricane harvey. and what's going on in louisiana. so we've got to do both of them. i think that every president wants to see a clean bill submitted to congress and a clean bill pass congress when it comes to disaster relief.

i think that the reality is there are frequently opportunities to attach things to those mandatory funding bills that are controversial sometimes. i think the debt limit would be controversial, but it's probably the right thing to do knowing that they both have to happen about the same time frame. >> let me just jump in. i have a km of questions i want to get to. this was in the "washington post" today about the president's new chief of staff john kelly. trump chafs at some of the retired marine corps generals access to restrict to him. they run counter to trump's love of spant night and brashness. the church lady because they consider him strict and morally superior. then president trump tweeted out his support of john kelly. what do you make of this? what are you hearing about their relationship? >> well, first of all, i think general kelly is doing a very good job to help organize the white house and give support to president trump the way he needs it. the second thing is, you know,

if you're the chief of staff, you're always playing bumper cars. people are bumping into all the time and trying to knock you off your path. he understands the responsibilities. he can do it. and i do think that president trump's tweet today was a valuable tweet to have. i do think that he supports john kelly in what he's doing. and while there may be friction inside the white house as people jockey for position, that goes with the job, and chiefs of staff have to put up with that all the time. i certainly did. >> andy card, always great to have your perspective. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> and coming up, the president versus his party. mr. trump is going to need republicans if he wants any of his agenda items accomplished this fall. but they'll first have to overcome the rift he created during the summer. we'll get into all of that when we come right back of the stay with us. just like the people who own them, every business is different. but every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow.

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and welcome back. rescue and recovery efforts are continuing today in texas.

evacuations continue in some of the areas hit hardest by the flooding following hurricane harvey. including beaumont, where a thousand people were evacuated over night. texas governor greg abbott says more than 42,000 residents are currently in the 258 shelters throughout the state, with another 3,000 texas residents in shelters in louisiana. more than 400,000 people have requested aid through fema. president trump will make another visit to texas tomorrow. it's been a week since hurricane harvey first made landfall on the texas coast, and there is still a long road ahead for the region to recover. >> everything is broken and swimming around, all my furniture and all my antiques that i've collected. there's nothing there. >> we have nothing. we have no water. we ran out billion three to four days ago. food, we have nothing. >> every historical water level record has been broken. >> it may take several days for the flood waters here to recede, and that's when first responders will go door to door in this community. they also fear that is when the

number of dead could rise. >> and i suspect the structural damage in the city of houston could be anywhere from 40 to 50,000 units if not more. >> water will continue to be released from the reservoir for the next ten to 15 days. i'm asking for people in these areas to leave their homes. >> and this sunday on "meet the press," after harvey. chuck will speak to the mayor of houston and he'll have an exclusive interview with missouri senator roy blunt. we'll be back with more "mtp daily" in 60 seconds. i got some financial guidance a while ago. how'd that go? he kept spelling my name with an 'i' it's bryan with a 'y.' since birth. well, i happen to know some people. do they listen? what? they're amazing listeners. guidance from professionals who take their time to get to know you.

and welcome back. the panel joins me now. fantastic panel. thanks to all of you for being here. i appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >> amy, i want to started with

you and this question we've been talking about throughout the hour so far which is what will the ultimate impact of harvey be? does it mean we see more getting done on capitol hill or do you think that they get through funding for hurricane relief and then it goes back to being just as dysfunctional as ever. >> well, the default to dysfunction is always a smart one to go with, kristen, because that's where we've been for the last yearment it's quite frankly where we've been for longer than that. what harvey does is it focuses congress at least for a short period of time on being functional, and that's big the bigger challenge for congress right now, looking like they can get anything done of the this is a way to keep people focused, get some money out the door. now, whether they tie it to some of they say must pass bills or not is going to be the question w whether that raises issues among the conference. and then what we had talked about before harvey hit was whether or not we're just going to do or congress is going to do what they often do which is just kick the can down the road and wait until december to have these sorts of fights whether it's over the wall or funding.

but the debt ceiling, i think, was always going to be okay. it's the other pieces that are going to be a little more challenging. >> so, michael, pick up on that point. do you expect the republican congress to sort ofic can the can down the road when it comes to things like the border wall until december? and what's at stake here because based on my conversation with a lot of folks on capitol hill, republicans are saying we have to start getting stuff done. we have to show that we can govern. >> yeah. i think in the wake of this terrible tragedy you're going to see congress act quickly and hopefully in a bipartisan way on relief for the people kbangtd by the hurricane. i think you'll also see them act to avoid a government shutdown and increase the debt limit, whether that's together or separately i think is not decided yet. you can never really say those things for sure until the members get back downtown. but i think we will have a month that we were afraid would be dominated by gridlock and dysfunction that will hopefully show congress at its best getting things done for constituents. >> what do you think we are going to see from democrats?

part of the strategy on the part of the white house is it to turn up the heat on democrats. president trump was in missouri last week, vice president was in west virginia. you have a number of senate democrats who they're really trying to target to get them on board potentially with things like tax reform. do you see any democrats actually saying, okay, we're going to work with republicans? >> i think a lot of democrats will work with republicans on issues like, you know, relief for hurricane harvey and i think, you know, where republicans want to actually work together on an issue, democrats have been willing to do that. i think the challenge for republicans is that in a state like west virginia, joe manchin is more popular than donald trump, even though trump won that state by 20 points. so the leverage they have against even senate democrats it's pretty hard but if they're in a world where they're not looking for leverage against democrats but to have a

discussion about how to have discussions about the country's problems, i think democrats will not get in the way at all, will actually be part of that solution. but democrats have never been the problem with hurricane funding. that has been a challenge for republicans like ted cruz and john cornyn in the past. >> michael, you can't under estimate how much power texas republicans have when it comes to congress and the senate. very flushl. >> sure. it's a huge delegation. i also think that in terms of more partisan issues not hurricane relief but the transition we saw with the president and the administration starting to try and work to attract the support of senate democrats, that's a huge step forward. these pointless, stupid counterproductive fights with senate republicans with those in his own party weren't advancing his agenda, weren't advancing our shared goal of conservative reform, getting the economy moving again, getting tax reform, getting something done on infrastructure. but trying to work with those senate democrats in states where trump was extraordinarily popular, that provides a better path. >> let me read for all of you

what john mccain said, just remind our viewers. very powerful words here. congress must govern with a president who has no experience of public office, is often poorly informed and can be kbrulssive in his speech and conduct. we must respect his authority and constitutional responsibilities. we must where we can cooperate with him, but we are not his subordinates. we do not answer to him. we answer to the american people. amy walter, powerful words. what's the impact? >> well, this has been the message, though, i think from the very beginning from republicans. was this -- and quite frankly from the very beginning even during the campaign. remember, republicans throughout 2016 had to find ways to distance themselves from the president when he had behavior or statements they disagreed with but then attach themselves to him when it came to policy. the problem right now is that there isn't really policy to push forward. now, tax reform may be that one piece that we see where they can finally bring those things together, but look, the one

opportunity that republicans had on policy, which was health care, it wasn't really the president that did he railed them. it was the internal debates within the party that made that difficult. so i think it goes beyond just that the president's tweeting, it's there are some serious ideological difference and tax reform is going to bring a lot of those differences to the for as well. >> final word to you. democrats run the risk of sort of just being an opposition to all things trump, to all things that republicans want. what's your counsel to make sure that they don't miss this moment, so that they don't become purely obstructionists? >> i think democrats have to say what they're for even in these debates. in the health care debate they argued against a tax on the affordable care act but they had a defense. for the tax debate they're going to have an answer as to how they approach that. i think they have that. we should have milts class tax cuts and not tax cuts for corporations and billionaires. i do think they have to have a

different position from republicans, have an agenda that they're for as well. >> all right. thank you so much. really appreciate it. stay with us, though. we have a lot more to talk about. still ahead, republicans and democrats urging the president not to cancel a popular program protecting here brought here as children illegally. will he do it any way? we'll take a look at that when we come right back.

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after president trump said that this afternoon, the white house press secretary said tuesday would be the day the administration makes an announcement on daca. that obamaer ra policy that allows young people who were brought here to the u.s. illegally as children to remain here. a decision would affect nearly 800,000 young people, so-called dreamers who were allowed to seek work permits and attend college while being shielded from deportation. there's a deadline of sorts looming. daca as a court battle. texas attorney general ken paxton and thien other states say plan to file a lawsuit against the government on tuesday if the program stays in place. california attorney general haf engineer penned a letter to the president. he joins me now. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> let's start with the argument against daca. u opponents saying bottom line, president obama actually went

beyond the authority that he has as president when he enacted daca, that he doesn't have that type of broad authority when it comes to immigration. your counterpa pointer to that. >> the history, our record in the united states from president eisenhower to president reagan to of course president obama, this type of executive action has been used in the past in numbers similar in size. in fact, bigger by president reagan and president george bush sr. than what president obama has done. so i don't think there's any doubt. i feel very confident that the daca program is fully lawful. more than that, i think it's fully american. it fits within our values and it is certainly an overwhelming economic success not just for the recipients, the dreamers, but for our country and its economy. >> and to those, particularly those in the trump administration who would say, okay, if former president obama had that type of authority than

doesn't president trump have broad authority when it comes to, for example, his travel ban? do you see those two being similar. >> the president has broad authority at all times, but he doesn't have broad authority to violate the constitution. the problem with the muslim travel ban was it violated the provisions of the constitution, whether it was the first amendment or the 14th amendment. the daca program does not violate any constitutional rights that people might have, and so there's a very big difference between a constitutional over reach and a muslim travel ban. and the daca program, which is very similar to what president reagan did and president george bush sr. did when they were presidents in trying to help address an immigration system with an immigration system that was broken even then. so i think there's a big difference, and that's why i feel very confident that if we had a chance to defend the daca

program in court, we would prevail. >> and before we get to that, because i do want to discuss your strategy moving forward. to those who would argue, hey, you know, we came here legally and allowing -- having this daca program actually allows people to stay and that is not fair to those who did come here legally who want to work, who want to go to college, what do you say to that counter argument? >> kristen, i don't think anyone has any doubt that our immigration system is woefully broken and needs to be reformed. and many of us have tried. i was in congress for 24 years and made an effort and came pretty close on a bipartisan deal. but i think at the same time we also are rational human beings. we know that children don't get to do and say what they necessarily want or think is best for themselves. that's why you have your parents. and so many of these dreamers came when they were very young, all of them came when they were minors, and so it wasn't their

choice in most cases to come to this country. and certainly most had little to do with intending to violate any particular law. so they grew up in america knowing nothing but america as their home and now they're being told that they may be deported when in fact they've proven to be great successes, val particular to her yans in their hsz, going to great universities, becoming professionals. >> i want to get a sense of your strategy moving forward. we don't know what the president is going to announce if he does decide to rescind it, scrap it, what would your next course of action be? would you take legal action or would you try to go through congress to try to get something done lejts laifbl as you were just discussing? >> kristen, we've explored every option, whether it's going to court or trying to work with congress. we will be prepared once the president announces his actions to use every tool that we have

at our disposal, to try to protect the people of california. 2 hundred,000 of the 800,000 dreamers live in california who have qualified for daca. and we've seen the success of the program. we want people who want to build our state, make it grow, create jobs. we want them to stale. that's why we're the sixth largest economy in the world, just one state. and so we'll do everything we can to defend a program that's been an american success and that has proved to california to really be helpful in moving forward an agenda that's made california such a success as well. >> we've been discussing throughout the hour obviously the politics of this have change because of what is happening in texas. do you think, are you hearing that that is going to impact the president's decision? you obviously just wrote this op-ed about this. do you anticipate that this turns up the political pressure on the president? >> well, it certainly brings to

life what we're trying to say. this isn't just policy and it's certainly not politics. these are people. these are real lives. and now it becomes real when you start to take a look at the folks in houston. some of them perhaps dreamers who are impacted. this is real stuff, and i think most people understand that. this is a time for us to be generous to help the folks in texas and louisiana. and even other states now who are facing these floods and loss of home and everything else. and i don't believe anyone would say let's start separating and zwinging between someone who has been a citizen born in this country and someone who is a young dreamer who knows nothing but america as home, but because they came with their parents without documents, we're going to let them go ahead and try to make it on their own. it points out why reforge immigration is so important, but why the daca program as well should continue forward. >> all right. thank you, attorney general. really appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> tomorrow tune in to "am joy"

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welcome back. repairing the damage left by hurricane harvey is going to require a massive amount of time, money and skilled labor. but some are already worrying about a major shortage of blue collar workers to meet the demand. earlier today chuck spoke with

micro, the former host of dirty jobs in an interview airing right here on "mtp daily," row warns of a potentially massive skill gap in the american work force. he spoke to chuck about the disconnect between the rhetoric we sometimes hear from our leaders and the reality now confronting us. >> look, there was a great moment when the president was in the room with some heads of manufacturing a couple of months ago, and he said that we're going to bring these jobs back, which, you know, always sounds great. nobody has got any truck with that. but a couple of the ceos were like mr. president, we've got the jobs. they're here. what we need are people who are enthusd about learning the skills that are actually in demand. you very kindly described to me earlier as a champion of plu collar work. what i really am is an addict. i'm a kpend ent on it. i'm addicted to smooth roads and indoor plumbing and reliable heating and air conditioning and 300 million other people are too. >> buddy, it's time for you to get to houston. get to texas. we've got a lot of work down

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time for the lids. the panel is back. thanks, guys for sticking around. let's just set the table here when it comes to daca. i want to show you our latest polling. 64% support daca. 30% oppose it. this is a popular program. talk about the politics of this for the president as we're dealing with harvey. >> whether we're dealing with harvey or not, this is still

going to be a very fraught issue politically for the white house. the fact you had a number of things happen today. republican leaders coming out saying they don't want to see this rescinded. you had one of the attorneys general that said they would be part to file a lawsuit against daca pulling out. there doesn't seem to be a ground swell of support from the traditional republican establishment behind the president rescinding daca. it suggests to me that republicans know this is much too dicy and they do not want to see anything happen to this unless they can find a solution, which has been the problem all along. the reason we are where we are is that congress itself didn't come up with the law and it's the president and it's the courts that had been determining this issue for the past few years. >> i want to get to the potential legislative options.

if president trump says i'm going to leave this to litigation and see what happens in the courts, is that a win if the white house blinks? >> absolutely. i mean i think the reality is that this is a difficult issue with harvey or not. there are reports now of dreamers who are part of the rescue operation in texas. as we speak risking their lives to save other folks. dreamers have been an issue in which we have bipartisan support for legislation. strong bipartisan support for legislation. i hope the president doesn't follow through with this campaign promise and heeds the words he said earlier this year in which he said he had a lot of heart. the fact so many people are anxious about this, worrying about it is something i wish he would just take off the table. >> in the states sue the white house, then isn't daca still in jeopardy if they say the

president doesn't have the authority to do this. doesn't the fate of those 800,000 dreamers remain uncertain? >> it's a different issue to me whether the president rescinds daca or whether the courts rescind it. i agree the best action to take here would be to pass legislation. president obama took the steps he took only because legislation wasn't getting passed. obviously, we love to see bipartisan support for this, and i hope we can do that. i hope it doesn't take an action by the president to threaten the livelihoods of hundreds of how thap thousands of people who are only here because of the choices their parents made and only know the united states as their home. >> it seems as though the president is internally conflicted. you see that in his public comments about the dreamers and we know there's been a very vigorous debate inside the administration. what are you hearing?

do you have any sense of where this is headed? >> this is not an easy question. we're a nation of laws. people want to respect the law. a lot of people believe president obama exceeded his constitution authority in taking this action. now that we're in this situation it would be a disaster to change it. there's no question the president has advisors on both sides of the issue. so many of these people live. >> we have about 30 seconds left finally to you. is the ultimate result here that we see congress take another stab at some type of immigration reform? >> wouldn't that be amazing. you have a congress that is polarized as we have ever seen. the idea they could come together to do something as politically fraught as this, i find not likely.

boy would that be a refreshing change. >> do you think there could be a legislate i fix to daca? >> there is. there are bills that are sitting out there right now. there are plenty of them that they need to get through congress. >> thank you. fantastic conversation. after the break a well known celebrity is being floated for ohio governor. we'll tell you who. rethink what's possible. rethink your allergy pills. flonase sensimist allergy relief helps block 6 key inflammatory substances with a gentle mist. most allergy pills only block one.

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trump's election more than a few celebrities are thinking about whether they want to make the move to politics. the incident inquirer reports that jerry springer is considering a run for ohio governor. yes, that jerry springer. the one who became a household name because of the outrageous nature of his talk show. his name is frequently floated as a statewide candidate in ohio democratic circles. that's because before jerry, jerry, jerry became a thing, springer was a politician. he was a cincinnati councilman in the late '70s. he was elected mayor. he paid a prostitute with a check. back in february he said quote, people are thinking that somebody outside the traditional political establishment can win. trump's constituency is basically man. these are fans of the show. i could be trump without the racism. if he jumps in the race, jerry springer would have name id.

that's all for tonight. we'll be back monday with more mtp daily. very excited about our show tonight. have great weekend. >> you too. >> i want to begin with friday news developing now. news the trump white house may hope people miss while heading into the holiday weekend. some nights we have revelations about what trump officials did regarding russia and some nights the story is a new clue about what mueller issi looking at. trump hatched a secret plot with a political aide to fire jim comey which trump's own lawyer vetoed and two mueller has obtained that very letter. the one mueller started