t or go to xfinitymobile.com. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. hallie jackson takes over from washington. >> i'm hallie jackson here in washington. you thought today would be a slow holiday monday. let me introduce you to something called life in 2017. an escalating threat that started building well before now over in north korea. right now at this second, the u.n. security council is scheduled to begin an emergency meeting on what north korea claims, we emphasize claims, was a hydrogen bomb test. its sixth nuclear test and pyongyang most yet. president trump, as you just heard, was just getting off the phone with south korea's president. this happened just in the last 10, 15 minutes or so. we expect to hear more about how that discussion went. some time in the next hour. we also expect more on doca,

too. less than a day away. that's when we're going to get and dreamers are not happy to hear it, at least not according to our reporting. news out now on what could happen to the young people brought here illegally by their parents, including some who live in texas and louisiana helping out with harvey relief as we get a check on the latest from the storm zone. we have team coverage on this labor day monday here at home and all around the world. i want to start over on the north lawn of the white house. not too far where we are with kristen welker. discussions president trump is having with the leader of south crea and the overall messaging coming out of the white house. >> that's right, hallie. we expect the president to begin a conversation with the leader of south korea any moment now. that's according to a white house official. it comes after the president has really tried to turn up the heat on the united states allies in the region calling on all of

them taput more pressure on north korea. over the weekend, saving some of his sharpest comments for south korea. let me read you the tweet. south korea is finding, as i have told them, that their talk of appeasement with north korea will not work. they only understand one thing. why is that significant? it's significant because south korea is united states' closest ally and it comes as president trump is considering withdrawing from a trade pack that it has with seoul. so, a lot at stake here. but his message is going to be that south korea, like its other allies in the region, needs to put more economic pressure on north korea. and to that point, hallie. this is the other thing the president tweeted over the weekend. the united states is considering in additional options stopping all trade with any country doing business with north korea. now, that may be an unrealistic option. that could start a major economic downturn if the president were, in fact, to do that. but we do know that the

administration and the treasury secretary has said this. that he's working on a new package of sanctions. that could hit countries like china. so, expect the diplomatic rhetoric to turn up and, of course, the other big headlines from the weekend. the defense secretary coming out speaking right out of the west wing saying that the united states will take military action if north korea threatens the united states or any of its allies, hallie. >> rather unusual, kristen, as you know to see the defense secretary come out in front of the west wing like we saw him do yesterday. >> indeed. >> i'll ask you to hang out for a couple of minutes because i want to come back to you on the big headline. seoul, south korea, where we find richard engel. as we wait for this discussion now, the new phone call between the u.s. and south korea. can you give me a sense of reaction there to both the tests and to president trump's frankly pretty tough talk towards seoul. >> we're hearing quite a bit from the military from the intelligence agencies here. they think there is going to be

another ballistic missile test from north korea. the expectation is that it could come on or around september 9th. so, not very far off. that is a major national holiday in north korea and in the past, they have timed military activities, parades, missile launches, nuclear tests, the last nuclear test was a year ago on september 9th. so that is a date to watch. regarding what was perceived around the world, not just here as a swipe, as an unnecessary dig at the south korean government when president trump said that south korea shouldn't try to appease the north koreans. they shouldn't be engaged in appeasement. the government has not directly responded to that. instead, they're trying to stress unity, solidarity, hand in hand partnership with the united states. and what we've been seeing out of this over the last couple weeks as this crisis has escalated is a consistently strong messaging of this

alliance between japan, south korea and the united states standing up to north korea. the real question here, and i think this is going to probably determine how this all plays out, the reaction from china. the reaction from russia. so far those two countries have more or less been condemning north korea. but doing it in very, let's call it, dispassionate terms. >> richard engel live for us there in seoul. richard, we'll be watching for your reporting throughout the day and then on nbc "nightly news" tonight. joining us now bill richardson energy secretary under president clinton. thank you very much for joining us here and for your perspective as we await this u.n. security council meeting and nikki haley's remarks. let me ask you this first. i want to get your reaction to the test itself. not everybody was convinced this was a hydrogen bomb as north koreans claim or that they could fit it on to icbm. what is your sense?

>> well, it's very pervrocatived very serious and whether it's a hydrogen bomb and shows the technical advances in north korea. it also shows them defying the united states and china with its test. they, they are unrelentingly not backing down from their efforts to upgrade their nuclear capabilities. so, very serious. >> it seems as though it's just as much of a test of its bombs as it is a test of president trump here. kim jong-un kind of poking at the u.s. >> well, yes. and i think secretary mattis was right in his very strong response. we can't tolerate this. we're going to stand behind our allies. we're not going to annihilate north korea. we' where basically he offered a little bit of an olive branch and i think what he and general kelly and i'm impressed with the

national security team basically being strong, but showing restraint and a few little openings is sending a message to kim jong-un. what is it that you want? what is it that will bring you to the negotiating table? the option that you seem to be provokin provoking. a military response, is not good for you. i mean, i don't think that kim jong-un is suicidal. he may be unpredictable. i don't even think he's irrational. i think there's an end game and we need to find out what his end game is. >> until we do, it sounds like the economic part of this, the way that this administration is going after, trying to cut off kim jong-un via sanctions is potentially going to escalate. you saw the tweet the president sent over the weekend talking about cutting off all trade with anybody who does trade with north korea, aka, essentially beginning a trade war with china. is that the right direction and is that the right move for this administration? >> no, i think we've got to be

careful. we can't be poking south korea. they're our main ally threatening the end of the free trade agreement. the appeasement statement. i think we need to be united. with china, 83% of all north korean trade comes through china. they have leverage. they did support a sanction on coal, on sea food, a serious sanction at the u.n. but, clearly, north korea is not listening to china. you can't just totally blame china, even though china is not trying as hard as it should. and i think at the u.n. security council, there will be a condemnation of what happened. but to try to get oil sanctions. to try to get tougher sanctions that already exist. food, for instance, i wonder if china is going to veto them. i predict they will. we have to have a narrow threat that puts pressure but at the same time doesn't look like

we're unified. >> bill richardson, thank you very much for joining us. as you heard, the former ambassador talk about we're watching that u.n. security counsel meeting that is happening right now. we'll monitor that and bring you any news as we get it as you take a look at that picture from inside the room. we're keeping an eye on that. we're keeping an eye on the big headline out today. another big decision that this administration faces here at home. that is what to do with the undocumented immigrants brought here illegally by their parents when they were kids with doca. the white house is to expect some kind of a decision tomorrow. an announcement about it. our reporting has been this thing is likely to end. the question now is how. politico is reporting might give congress the six-month window to do something about this program. but there are other options, as well. and then, of course, the fate of these roughly 780,000 doca recipients hangs in the balance. nbc's kristen welker is back with us over from the white house. quickly give me the nuts and bolts here as we're joined by

white house reporter for politico and betsy woodruff of "daily beast," as well. what do we expect to see happen over the next 24 hours or so here? >> i think the president will have another meeting on doca today. i think that all signs point to the likelihood, as you mapped out, hallie, that he will announce tomorrow that he's ending the program but with this six-month window. effectively giving congress that amount of time to come up with a potential fix. now, the white house bracing for a backlash from a number of different quarters. you have immigration advocates and democrats saying that this is the wrong move. that it effectively in the words of one advocacy group is like child abuse put into policy. they say that it is unfairly targeting people who came here illegally while they were children, but who are trying to become educated. trying to join the workforce. on the other hand, you have republican members of congress and a number of them, including

house speaker paul ryan who had said to the president that he shouldn't end drveoca. that he should allow congress to try to fix it. but interestingly, hallie, the reaction from the president's base. remember, he ran on a campage pledge to get tougher on immigration. to end doca effectively and they feel as though this is punting or pivoting on that key campaign promise. so, i expect that you're going to see what could be shaping up to be an internal fight within the gop, hallie. >> kristen welker, thank you very much out there on the north lawn. we'll see you right back at the white house after the show. thank you, kristen. i'm glad to have you, matt and betsy, on set. i get the sense based on my conversations with white house officials over the weekend and others close to the president and from covering him, he seems, i don't want to say conflicted about this, but we've heard some mixed messaging from him. he talks about on the campaign trail wanting to end doca and talking about having heart and

having dreamers rest easy. listen. >> going to show great heart. doca is a very, very difficult subject for me. i will tell you. for me, one of the most difficult subjects. they were brought here in such a way. it is a very tough subject. we'll deal with doca with heart. >> should dreamers be worried? >> we love the dreamers. we love everybody. thank you very much. >> let's say we flash forward to tomorrow. he does rescind doca and give a six-month window, as your o outlet, politico is reporting. >> our understanding is that he is cloaking this decision in a lot of legal ease. make it more of a constitutional issue. this is never a step that the executive branch should have taken. it's up to congress. how that squares with we need to treat them with heart is unclear. as we know, the president is never afraid to offer self contradictions. >> whether or not the president was going to rescind doca because he doesn't like what it does or how it was implemented? >> the weird part of this, too,

the president seems to be pointing to the justice department and to attorney general jeff sessions as part of the reason that he feels he needs to move back from keeping doca in place. according to "new york times" sessions told trump that he actually wouldn't defend doca if it got litigated in court because he believes it's illegal. that's an enormous step for an attorney general to take. that puts a lot of pressure on trump. the other piece of this, however, is that trump seems to be trying to pass the buck to congress. congress, you should figure out what we do about these folks. congress is facing enormous pressure on immigration and doca for years and, somehow, folks on the hill over there manage to find a way to duck responsibility and not to do anything. the question is, does the current calculus change anything? >> what happens to doca recipients which is something we'll talk about later in the show, as well. >> in fact, in order for the federal government to deport someone they have to demonstrate in immigration court that that

person is undocumented and to get doca, you have to give paperwork to the government proving you're undocumented. >> let me touch on the actual dreamers effect. there is somebody named alonzo giuen died saving people from hurricane harvey related floods. jesus contrars, a paramedic, doca recipient who has been helping people down there. when you personalize the stories like this. when the administration sees stories like this in the media, optics wise it makes it a little tricky. >> this is an emotionally charged issue. dreamers who are in college and started their own businesses and in the military. these are people who really only know the united states as a home. they came here when they were four or five years old and mass deportations of these people are so politically unpopular across the republican and democratic party and you already hear some conservative members of congress coming out and saying they want to protect us. >> we want to go now back to the

u.n. security council meeting where nikki haley is speaking now. >> defied our collective voice. it's worth taking a few moments to recount some of the history. in 1993, the council approved resolution 825 calling on north korea to remain in the nonproliferation treaty. that didn't work. north korea withdrew from the treaty and continued its nuclear pursuit. in 2006, the six-party talks faltered and north korea conducted north korea ballistic missile launches. that led to resolution 1695 condemning them. the same year, north korea conducted its first nuclear test. that led to resolution 1718. establishing a u.n. sanctions regime aiming to stop all nuclear ballistic missile and other weapons of mass destruction programs.

after six-party talks fell apart, again, in 2009, north korea conducted additional missile launches and its second nuclear test. that led to resolution 1874, which expanded sanctions, including an arms embargo and cargo inspection obligations. in 2012, the leap day deal failed. and north korea conducted two new space launches. the security council respond would the adoption of resolution 2087. following north korea's third nuclear test in 2013, the council adopted resolution 2094 expanding sanksz sanctions mard diplomatic activities. by 2016, north korea had conducted its fourth nuclear test and another space launch. they followed that with more missile launches. in response, the council adopted

multiple resolutions expanding sanctions even further targeting whole sectors of north korea's economy. finally, this year, the council got even more serious. first, we adopted resolution 2356. designating high-ranking north korean government officials and the military's strategic rocket forces command for individual sanctions. then, just last month, after the regime's first two icbm launches we adopted resolution 2371. the strongest sanctions we have ever imposed on north korea. that resolution banned north korean exports of coal, iron and sea food and imposed several other measures that will significantly cut off the revenues needed to fund their nuclear program. why did i take the time to go through this history? to make this point. the united nations security council has spoken with unusual

unity and consistency on north korea. that's a good thing. along the way, there have been problems with implementation. and the council has at times been too slow and too weak, but this is not a situation in which we have allowed divisions among us to stop any action. still, here we are. despite our efforts over the past 24 years, the north korean nuclear program is more advanced and more dangerous than ever. they now fire missiles over japanese hair space. they now have icbm capabilities. they now claim to have tested a hydrogen bomb and just this morning there are reports that the regime is preparing for yet another icbm launch. to the members of the security council, i must say, enough is enough. we have taken an incremental approach and despite the best of intentions, it has not worked.

members of this council will no doubt urge negotiations and a return to talks. but as i have just outlined, we have engaged in numerous, direct and multi-lateral talks with the north korean regime. and time after time, they have not worked. the time for half measures in the security council is over. the time has come to exhaust all of our dip lomatic means before it's too late. we must now adopt the strongest possible measures. kim jong-un's action cannot be seen as defensive. he wants to be acknowledged as a nuclear power. but being a nuclear power is not about using those terrible weapons to threaten others. nuclear powers understand their responsibilities. kim jong-un shows no such understanding. his abusive use of missiles and nuclear threats show that he is begging for war.

war is never something the united states wants. we don't want it now. but our country's patience is not unlimited. we will defend our allies and our territory. the idea that some have suggested a so-called freeze for freeze is insulting. when a rogue regime has a nuclear weapon, and an icbm pointed at you, you do not take steps to lower your guard. no one would do that. we certainly won't. the time has come to exhaust all diplomatic means to end this crisis. and that means quickly and acting the strongest possible measures here in the u.n. security council. only the strongest sanctions will enable us to solve this problem through diplomacy. we have kicked the can down the road long enough. there is no more road left. this crisis goes well beyond the u.n. the united states will look at every country that does business with north korea as a country

and the united states will look at every country that does business with north korea as a country that is giving aid to their reckless and dangerous nuclear intentions. and what we do on north korea will have a real impact on how other outlawed nations who seek nuclear weapons choose to conduct themselves in the future. the stakes could not be higher. the urgency can now. 24 years of half measures and failed talks is enough. thank you. >> i thank the representative of the united states for her statement. >> and you have been listening to u.n. ambassador nikki haley delivering her remarks at the u.n. security council meeting called in response to that sixth nuclear test from north korea. haley taking a tough tone saying enough is enough. that the nuclear program with north korea is more advanced and more dangerous than ever before. i'm back with betsy and matt

now. guys, i think it was notable. we all looked at each other any country that does business with north korea is going to have some issues with us echoing what we heard from the treasury secretary and the president it seems, betsy, this is the direction the administration is heading. >> at this point part of the reasons that our sanctions have not been as effective on north korea as they could be because china hasn't taken as many steps as they could to enforce them. the toughest sanctions don't matfer they don't get enforced vigorously and the subtext of nikki haley's statement is that china needs to do much more, not just to vote for sanctions on u.n. security council but to enforce them to twist north korea's arm a bit. >> discussion on other issues that the administration is not speaking with one voice on this issue. >> that was striking language for her. issued the same sort of talk we heard from james mattis and donald trump. but it's unclear just how much pressure we can put on china

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so in houston parts of the city are under a new mandatory evacuation after the controlled release of a nearby reservoir created more flooding. 43 people have been killed because of the storm. 43,000 are still in area shelters where they're going to be living for a while. 436,000 people have asked for some help from fema. maya rodriguez is on the ground there with the latest. the initial rain event has stopped. but really of the recovery, this is just the start. >> that's right, hallie. that recovery is going to take a very, very long time. we just got some new numbers from the american red cross and they tell us that 32,000 people are now in shelters. of course, that's down from the numbers that you had mentioned

that we saw last week. here at the george r. brown convention center the numbers have gone down dramatically. now there are about 1,000 people. but you can see people are still coming in here. why is that? basically because they're not necessarily sleeping at this point, but they are coming here to get hot meals and some of the services and the mental health professionals here that are here on hand. this is still a very, very active area. but as far as people sleeping here, again, that number about 1,000. what they have been doing here so far like you mentioned is dealing with this evacuation order that the mayor put in this weekend. about 4,600 homes on the west side of houston. ordered and evacuated because they had previously flooded. at this point they had cut off electricity to those homes and they don't want first responders to be called in there necessarily. they asked those particular residents to please evacuate those neighborhoods.

however, if you have a home in that neighborhood that did not flood, you are okay. you're allowed to go back there. another bit of good news that we have that chemical plant that is in crosby, texas, to the northeast of here. they had an evacuation zone that had been put in place about 1.5 miles around the plant because of all those organic peroxides. they burned them off and that evacuation order has now been lifted. >> maya, thank you. mark, director of recovery at hagerty consulting is here with us on set along with our panel. white house reporter for politico. mark, to you first. in a week, in two weeks, in three weeks when there's not as many reporters on the ground any more. when it's not on as many front pages as it used to be. it seems as though that is when people in houston and texas will need help the most. >> that's correct. i think at this point we're still dealing with mostly the response phase of the event

which, by all accounts, is going well. effort put in to making sure life safety is prioritized. so, recovery is difficult. it's complex. there are a lot of complicated decisions that need to be made. >> what is the first priority then for these folks? >> i think the first priority is really getting people out of the congruigate shelter and privacy in the ability to focus on recovery at that family level. >> getting the numbers down from 1,000 people at the shelter down to a couple dozen, if they can. or zero. >> it may take several different steps as an example. the shelter numbers have gone down to 32,000 across all the shelters. but the numbers of people in sheltering that fema's providing and hotels and motels across texas is up a little bit over 55,000. and it's because they're starting to move from cshelter o secure their belongings. >> talk about money.

that is crucial to this. the administration requested roughly $8 billion, a little less, for the initial phase. the texas governor says, yeah, this thing will cost $180 billion. when you look at the money appropriated very soon, is that going to make a dent? >> i think it's going to make a dent for this first initial phase. but the longerterm construction and things where you look at capital buildings projects or long-term housing solutions, it's a lot more money that is needed. you're not able to make this kind of decision with the first increment of money. >> couple white house sources are telling me, listen, they would like this debt relief money, this harvey relief money tied to the debt ceiling and trying to give congress a little bit of space and letting lawmakers figure out the mechanics of that. do we think they'll be linked? >> i think we will find out soon. september 30th is coming up very fast. donald trump is saying we have to get this done. i think they'll push congress as hard as they have to do this.

>> interesting conflicts between paul ryan and mark meadows has already said that he feels uncomfortable tying harvey funding to the debt ceiling increase, but there's so much pressure, both on the pressure and on speaker ryan to get this done that it's just potentially going to be another major friction poeint between the conservatives and speaker on the hill. >> thank you for coming in on that on the very long road for people down south. we want to get back into the united nations security council meeting that you're looking at live now. what we just heard from nikki haley when it comes from north korea and new information on doca. stick around. introducing olay duo body cleanser.

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military one. you agree? >> i do, hallie. thank you for that question. the tlehreat of north korea is real and growing and the trump administration failed to explain to american people what its strategy is. instead, we have the president going on twitter publicly undermining our critical ally south korea by saying they're engaging in and the president in a trade war with south korea and different officials saying different things. >> let me ask you this, congressman. i don't know that they are saying different things. it seems from what we heard from nikki haley a couple minutes ago and steven mnuchin over the weekend and the president himself, the idea that the united states is going to cut off trade with any country that does business or has trade with north korea is very much on the table. in other words, hey, china, we're looking at you. is that the right strategy here when you look at toughening up the economic sanctions to try to cut off kim jong-un? would you support ending trade with countries that do business with north korea?

>> i would support increase economic sanctions. conflicting responses, i'm talking about the difference between economic sanctions and administration officials talking about a massive military response. the problem is, i serve on active duty in the air force and i was under u.s. pacific command in guam and no military options for the united states. that's why we need to pursue diplomacy and economic sanctions and really no good military options. >> there is discussion in the white house of pulling out of this trade agreement with south korea. i'm told the timeline is a little bit fuzzy and not clear when any decision will be made. if that happens, is it something you could get behind? >> no, we should not pull out of the south korea trade agreement at this time. we need south korea. they are a critical ally. we need to be our partner if we need to deal with north korea. keep in mind, we have military bases in south korea. they control a lot of the aerospace there. we can't do much against north korea if south korea is not with us in defending our critical ally and not a smart thing to

do. >> let me ask you about doca the other big headline of the day and nbc news confirmed some reporting that the president is likely to end this program and allow that six-month window, essentially, for congress, perhaps, to get involved here. about 200,000 doca recipients are believed to be living in your state in california. so, what do you do? how do you handle this if the president does, in fact, rescind the program? >> first of all, i hope the president does not do that. we don't know until the official announcement what trump will do. >> do you still hope he won't including our own reporting that he's more likely to do so. >> that is correct. he is unpredictable and i hope he listens to those stories. keep in mind that about half of doca children came here when they were 6 years old or younger. these people have committed no crimes. and to really take them and put them into another country that they don't know is cruel. and i think it's something that the president in his heart would not want to do.

>> if, in fact, there is the six-month window to let congress have some time to create some kind of a law covering dreamers, what do you do? what is the legislative solution. do you think there could be a legislative solution given congress at the moment? >> i do. i believe all or at least most of the democrats would be onboard and then we're getting a number of republicans who also support the doca program. this is not just an issue of humanity. it's also an issue of economics. we would be delivering a blow to our economy if we were to take these doca recipients and deport them to another country. >> have you started having conversations with your colleagues about a legislative fix? >> yes. i mean, there are bills in congress right now to do doca legislatively. if the president were to terminate this program in six months, then i ask the people paul ryan to have a vote on expanding doca legislatively. i know you have been on twitter

talking about this, talking about what you need to do on doca. right now unpredictability can be an asset. >> here's my message to had president. yesterday he marked the national day of prayer. i urge him to read aezekiel which says the sins of the father should not be passed on to the son. the right thing to do is to protect doca recipients, not deport them. >> very quickly. talking about hurricane harvey and what's been happening in texas and louisiana. the idea that relief money could be tied to the debt ceiling. is that the right move? should these things be tied together or pushed separate or does it matter to you? >> it does not matter to me. we need to get disaster funding done and disasters are nonpartisan response should also be nonpartisan and scheduled for a vote this wednesday in the house. i hope it passes and i hope it gets to the president as quickly. i am troubled that the governor of texas has refused to call a special session to tap into texas' $10 billion rainy day

fund. i don't understand that decision. i would urge texas governor to reconsider because he should not rely just on federal money and use his own states money, as well. >> congressman ted lui. thank you. when it comes to doca and what to do with the roughly 780,000 dreamers in this country. people who came to the u.s. as kids and signed up for this program. so, what happens next for them? we don't know yet. but up next, you'll hear from some of the folks who will actually be affected by the president's decision. >> it's tough. it really is. yesterday did nothing but cry with everyone around me, but you kind of have to. >> today's a new day. >> yeah. can i get some help. watch his head. ♪ i'm so happy. ♪

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brought here and protected currently under doca who go to work or go to school in this country. msnbc jacob spent some time talking to those folks out in california and joining me now from the l.a. bureau. jacob, what did you hear? >> yeah, hallie. i heard the voices of students and workers and heard the voices of family members first. and then the voices of undocumented immigrants second. these young people are poised. they're very focused as we have learned about these dreamers and that's in the face of a possible deportation of president trump. let's take a look. this is cal state fullfullerton. it is home to over 40,000 students and so many around 900 are undocumented. the school created what it calls a dreamer resource center just for them. >> nice to meet you. >> nice to meet you. i'm daniella. >> reporter: first-year physic dreamer her parents brought her

when she was 2. were you younger siblings born in america? >> yes. >> if something happens -- >> if something happens they would probably stay here with a family relative. >> how do you deal with this? you seem so cool and collected about this. >> it's tough. it really is. yesterday i did nothing but cry with everyone around me yesterday. but you kind of have to. >> today's a new day. >> yeah. >> reporter: everyday life doesn't stop for sociology majors for marion and pablo. have you ever been to mexico other than being born there? >> no. never. >> how about you, where would you be deported to? >> i assume mexico, too. i think in the back of my head, maybe i would go to another country. be even thinking see if i could find a way to transfer my education to another school so i finish my education. that's my goal. i just want to finish. >> now you wait. >> just a waiting game. everything you do every day goes by you think about it more. >> in the country they call home, students force would the

prospect of a life that they have never known. so, hallie, as they said, now it is a waiting game. nbc news has learned that president trump is leaning towards ending doca for congress to come up with a fix. the question he will be asked tomorrow, what happens to young people, to dreamers, whose status actually expires during that six-month window. will they be able to reapply. if not, does that mean they go into deportation proceedings right away? >> how long would that take, jacob live in l.a., thank you very much. >> you got it. betsy, i don't know if you have any reporting on that answer because that is a big questionmark. a waiting game until tomorrow when that announcement happens and six more months the legalities of this get figured out. >> what is important to remember is that just because someone's status lapses and they're not actively doesn't mean they go into deportation proceedings. millions of people in the united states right now who are

undocumented who aren't in deportation proceedings. those folks are in legal limbo. hard to figure out what to do with their live physical ths if pause daca, 800,000 people. >> what happens in states like texas, attorney general along with other states saying, hey, we're suing tuesday about daca because we do believe this was an unconstitutional executive order instituted by president obama. >> a lot of conserve states seem poised to push ahead with the lawsuit to try to force the administration's hand. all this adds up to more pressure on congress to act over the next six months. as betsy pointed out earlier, congress has had years to deal with this and has always managed to kick the can. >> the important question for congress, do republicans try to use vulnerability of daca to get democrats to come on board with much more restrictionist immigration policies. we know republicans are going to try to say we'll protect daca

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so here is what we know this morning regarding developments in the situation with north korea. we know that president trump talked with the south korean president. we know there are some reports going out of south korea that north korea may test a third icbm. we know that pyongyang claims to have set off this hydrogen bomb essentially that they designed, they say, to be put on intercontinental ballistic missile. i want to bring in msnbc contributor and editor along with our panel. there has been this united nations security council meeting that's been going on, steve, as we've been watching it, monitoring it during this

program. nikki haley was tough. enough is enough. as betsy put it earlier, it was a very thinly veiled threat to china, aimed at that country. from what you're seeing is this administration taking the right strategy moving forward? >> absolutely not. it's very frustrating. i admired at least the consistency and seriousness of nikki haley's talk. what's missing here are the other pieces that would have made this easy for china. i've been to beijing many times. china is deeply, deeply frustrated with north korea. not in the same way we are. they have differences with the united states. they are angry, they are upset. they as an incumbent global nuclear power doesn't want to see north korea go down this track. so why is it so hard to seduce them with us. they worked with us on the iran deal. they are not working with us as much as donald trump wants because he kicks kicking them in the shins as we're going. that's what's missing.

this shouldn't be something where steve mnuchin is threatening to cut off $5 billion of imports from china over this. that's not a credible threat. it's the lack of credibility in this white house which is keeping russia, china, and others from working wugs. >> you say this not a credible threat, the idea united states would ultimately trigger what would become a trade war cutting off dealings with countries that deal with north korea. nikki haley reiterated that this morning. clearly this is something the administration sees if perhaps not a realistic option, at least an option to be talking about, right? >> i guess can you talk about it. what it means for the united states if we were to pursue that deal is reduction in american gdp of 4%. that would feel like a depression to a lot of parts of the country. so let's kind of look at these. again, i think russia, who called -- vladimir putin called the president of south korea before donald trump did. the president of china. the prime minister of japan called twice. we're not dealing with south

korea as a treaty ally of the united states, and others in the neighborhood are behaving responsibly connected to them. that's what i find very frustrating. it doesn't need to be this bleak or difficult. you can surround north korea with incredible pressure in the neighborhood and try to move them off this dime. we're not doing that. >> very quickly, steve, when you talk about this being sixth test of the magnitude has increased. october 2006, 4.3 hag tud. the latest one .3 magnitude. what can the obama administration do -- the trump administration do that the obama administration could not, that the bush administration could not. >> i think the biggest thing right now, whether you like it or not, the iran deal that obama pulled off, getting crippling sanctions of iran, tying together the world in a joint effort to compel iran to take a different track and providing them an open ended thing is what we need to do with north korea. donald trump could learn from that. rather than trying to decertify the iran deal, he could try and

educate north koreans very directly about the benefits they would get of becoming a responsible power. >> final thought. >> the president's administration is learn just how hard it is to get china to cooperate with you when you're simultaneously trying to bash them. >> matt? >> i think the credibility issue is a huge heardel to get over for this administration, making these threats they can't back up. >> thank you all for sticking around with me for this kind of rock and roll hour on rabd. of course we end the show as we always do with the big picture today. from california. you've got to see this. this is burbank in the foreground. the biggest wildfire ever recorded in los angeles in the background. you can see the buildings in the front, the fires in the back. crews have made some serious progress against this thing, which means hundreds of people allowed back into their homes. they are hoping cooler weather and maybe some rain will help in what they are call la tuna fire. the photographer, an actor, jason moore, took it and put it

on twitter. i'd love to hear your thoughts on facebook, twitter, snapchat, instagram. i'll see through and at the white house after this program. that's where i'm headed now. see you later on msnbc. ali velshi in new york. >> a busy day. we'll talk later on. good to see you as always and enjoy your labor day, in the way you seem to be enjoying it, giving us labor. good morning, i'll ali velshi. it's monday, september 4th. let's get started. >> south korea kraerd out a simulated attack on north korea's nuclear test site. >> we have the most strongest, most significant nuclear test to date. >> north korea claims its latest bomb was small enough to fit on an intercontinental ballistic missile that could reach the united states. >> they could put this kind of a warhead on a missile and have a much more explosive effect. >> north korea way be preparing for yet another missile st