welcome, everybody, it is 12:00 in the east. we're following breaking news at home and overseas, let's start in north korea and a major show of force today for that nation's military in response to another nuclear test by kim jong-un and north korea, their largest test yet. rhetoric withfrom top officials the trump administration. north korea is bigging for war. taking a listen. >> to the members of the security council, i must say, enough is enough. we have taken an incremental approach and despite the best of intentions, it has not worked. the time for half measures in the security council is over. the time has come to exhaust all of our diplomatic means before it's too late. only the strongest sanctions will enable us to resolve this

problem through diplomacy. we have kicked the can down the road long enough. there is no more road left. >> let's get into this, joining me nbc chief white house correspondent halle jackson, and nbc's ron allen is in south korea. halle, i'm going to start with you first, what we heard from secretary mattis over the weekend, let's listen in. >> any threat to the united states or its territories including guam, or our allies will be met with a massive military response, a massive and oechling. we're not looking for the total annihilation of a country, namely north korea, but as i said, we have many options to do so. >> this is really priority number one right now and it seems seem

s to be a slightly different tone. mattis saying we're going to strike pre-emptively if an attack seems imminent. >> let me coalescing what we're hearing from the administration in what seems to be a cohesive message, including nikki haley who we just heard from a few moments ago. >> reporter: we have learned more about in discussion with leaders of the u.s. and the leaders of south korea. this is according to south korea, but the two that president trump, according to south korea reaffirmed the commitment to south korea as an ally, talked about feeling in the words of seoul, empathy for sole, including south korea's push for tougher sanctions, when you talk about the messaging from this administration, you

asked about are they on the same page? you heard it from nikki haley, you heart it from mnuchin, you heard it from nikki haley and you heard it from trump. that trade is on the table with countries that deal with knot kore north korea. and if china doesn't work to put more pressure on north korea, from all the experts that i have talked to, that is highly unrealistic, it would basically crater the global economy, but it is certainly the threat that you are hearing from this administration right now. in addition to maybe pulling out of this free trade agreement with south korea, and there's some skepticism in some circles that would actually irritate south korea and put them into this posture where they would be concerned about working with the u.s. there's a lot of ramifications to that. but it is clear that economic measures are sort of currently within of the big focuses of this administration.

>> yeah, that would be sort of difficult messaging there, considering what we're just hearing from south korea, considering that trump has reaffirmed sort of the friendship -- >> we don't know the white house's version of the call, they were saying, we need this readout because we want to know how you think the conversation went. >> let's go to south korea, where ron is standing by for us. south korean military, ron, warning of yet another missile launch from the north, president trump calling out north korea, saying their talk of appeasement will not work. south korea of course wanting to negotiate disarmament for economic engagement, trading that for economic engagement. what are you hear iin ining in end? >> reporter: a couple thing, the south koreans have been doing some things that are mill t

militaryistic in the last couple of days. they are taking a more aggressive posture, but the south koreans are adamantly opposed to any sort of military strike by the united states. so when the united states talks about military options, most people think that they're actually very limited and they fall in the category of things that are deterrent, in fact here in south korea, there's talk of adding additional missile defense systems or stat systems that the u.s. wants to deploy here. and there were also talk in those phone conversations between presidents trump and moon, there's also talk of limiting missiles that south korea will deploy as a deter rent to the north. and there's a very extreme step to perhaps reintroducing tactical working weapons in south korea that the united states and the south kraoreans would employ, because the south

koreans are on the front lines, they know that if the united states or anybody else strikes south korea, the retall yagss would be massive. everyone here of course is also listening to the security council and trying to see what might happen next by the international community. and yes, there was some very aggressive, very tough talk by nikki haley. but the chinese ambassador also essentially put up a road block, he's been saying they think the solution to this is two tracks, they think the north koreans have to denuclearize, but the united states has to back off on some of these military exercises they're doing, something the united states is not going to do. the chinese are clearly putting a road block, a block up there as to exactly how far they will

go and that's the big problem in trying to get something done in the security council. >> and the meeting at the u.n., china sort of condemning the u.s. attack and things have to be solved peacefully. i want you to listen to jeremy bash on the "today" show and sort of what his read was and less than we'll talk. >> they have now drawn a line in the ocean, they have said if any missile threatens our territory in guam, hawaii or the west coast of the united states, we're going to act. >> so what are the real military options here? one of the options ron bringing up it seems like it would be pretty controversial introducing nuclear sites in south korea as a deterrent, that doesn't sound like something that would fly. what are you seeing? what are the options here? >> the u.s. military has a tremendous capability that exists already in that region, both defensive and offense. i think one of the reasons that

you're hearing people talking about not having a lot of good military options in north korea, is it would essentially have to be all or nothing. if in fact the u.s. were or south korea were to take some sort of a strategic strict into north korea, north korea could and by all accounts likely would respond with an overwhelming fire into seoul, into south korea, who knows where. and in that case, would it be considered self-defense, the north korean action, that's why we're hearing about this idea that there's just not a good military option from the u.s., south korea and japanese. starting this year, the u.s. deployed part of a fad battery, so two of the six tubes in one battery, it gave it an initial operating capability, but it's still not at a full operating capability. the u.s. could deploy the rest

of that, that's something we will likely see in the coming day ors coming week. stella kim reported this morning that the environmental impact has been virtually worked out in that. so i think we'll see that, and that will provide some more defensive capabilities. the united states also has destroyers with missile defense capability. as ron also mentioned, we saw these more recent shows of force by the u.s., south korea and japanese. just in the past couple of months, we have seen them drop bombs on a range in south korea, we have seen them drop bombers, f-35s, all that is to show north korea just what overwhelming capability exists in the region. >> what type of intelligence we actually have inside of north korea, is that sort of some of the weaknesses that we have on this end is that the country is so completely closed off from

us. i want to talk about daca, the president making an announcement on daca, of course protecting immigrants who arrived in the united states as kids basically. >> sources familiar with the decision making here, says the president is leaning toward ending this program, rescinding daca and opening up this six-month window allowing congress time to come up with a legislative fix to this. all the usual caveats apply. that the president could of course change his mind, things could change, but it does look likely that he will end the program. so his 70,000 so-calleded dreamers, kids brought here by their parents are going to have to live in limbo for six

missourimontre months. republicans did not like largely as a group how president obama went about putting daca in place through his executive orders, so do they continue to protect these dreamers by doing it legislatively instead? >> we'll talk more about this later in the show. let's talk more about the growing tension in north korea now with the president of an organization dedicated to the reduction of nuclear weapons and p.j. crowley a former secretary of state in hillary clinton's state department. and author of "red line jsh" at time of fractured politics and failing states. let's focus first on the regional actions there, the actions of the north korean regime are especially concerning

for south korea, and japan. >> this is the most heavily militarized area on earth. you just saw the enormous amount of military force that is assembled in the region, and no one is backing down, everyone is ratcheting up the threats. if ambassador haley's interpretation of u.s. strategy is correct, this is disaster. they have just rejected talks, rejected negotiations, the only thing that has worked in the past to slow down north korea's program, they are pinning all their hopes apparently on sanctions, something that has never worked in history to force a nation to collapse or comply, begging china to sort of take this problem over from us and fix it. and what that means is that you're going to get increased-plincreased

bluster, threats from the united states, military, economic, that at some point he's going to have to feel that he has to fulfill, either for his own credibility or to divert from some of his domestic political situations. and as your analyst just pointed out. when it comes to north korea, there is no such thing as a surgical strike, there's no quick or conventional strike you could take on north korea, it would unleash the worst combat, the worst casualties since the end of world war ii. so yes, i'm very worried about the situation. >> calling a situation that are two countries with newspaper clenewspaper -- p.j., sec faretary mattis has recent -- here's what we saw from president trump just yesterday, a tweet that resists, the united states is considering in addition to other options stopping all trade with any country doing business with north korea. china, p.j., as you know, is our

biggest trade partner and the key to resolving this issue with north korea, china has come out and said we do not agree, rer resolutely disagree with north korea testing these missiles. and if in fact china were to stop sending oil to north korea, would the regime collapse? >> i think that the president is all over the map. you know, some of his tweets are manifestly unhelpful. in the middle of this urgent situation, you know, perhaps changing the trade relationship between the united states and korea, that makings no sen make. on the other hand, the president yesterday also said something i thought was very intriguing, which was a line of thinking that's what's happening with north korea, it's defiance of the international community, is an embarrassment to china and it leader xi jinping, i actually think there's merit in that line of thinking, i think it's an

overstatement to say that he would condition the entire u.s.-china relationship on what happens with north korea, but leaning into china and trying to make north korea and the management going forward china's problem not a u.s. problem, i think there's a strategy behind that thinking. >> many have kmair compared the situation with north korea with the situation between iran. they talk about the fact that we have better intelligence when it comes to iranian nuclear sites, that intelligence doesn't necessarily translate to north korea. what type of intelligence do we have about north korea and does that hinter t hinder the the d n decision-making process in. >> the only american that has met with kim jong-un is dennis rodman. but that raises the question of what he's he trying to do.

i think first he could say that nuclear weapons would be aroun insurance policy, regime survival. is he trying to drive a wedge between the united states and south korea? we have to make it clear that he can't do that. and is he trying to get more flexibility to act on a tactical level. here we have to draw two red lines, one general mattis redrew a line yesterday, if you attack us, we're going to eliminate your existence. by the same token, we have to make clear, between ourselves and south korea that going forward, if north korea attacks the south, it will respond and if north korea escalates, then he puts his own survival at risk. i think we're going to have to draw new lines here, but behind the scenes, we're going to have to recognize that the policy we pursued for 20 years is no

longer operate ive. north korea is not going to give up it's nuclear weapons. >> but how many lines are we going to draw? thank you to our panel, we appreciate it. and southeast texas starts the recovery from houston harvey. a live report from houston next on msnbc. what's that?

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i suspect on tuesday, many if not most of our businesses will be open. over 95% of the city is now dry,

and i'm encouraging people to get up andlet get going. >> certainly a positive update from the houston mayor, sylvester turner, 11 days after harvey first hit texas. but he added that the city has a long road ahead. on the west side of houston, a new round of mandatory evacuations over the weekend, 4,600 homes could now be under water for yet another week. >> for us, this is the worst possible situation, because it just deteriorates day by day,er d every day that we have water in there is another day that our house decays and our belongings decay. >> the city is trying to get their water system back online. people waiting in line for safe drinking water, another basic necessity. marianna, good to talk to you

this afternoon. that city completely flooded still, ten days after the storm first started. >> it's hard to believe you can see the way inside the city completely flooded behind me, in fact we just saw the mayor of rose city getting on a small boat, loading it up and this is actually the first time that she's been able to go in to check in on her city. as you mentioned, 11 days s s a the storm hit, they were also loading hay on to the boat because there's at least 30 cattle that are trapped in the city and they're also doing surveillance missions at this point. can you tell me how many people you've rescued in this area in the last couple of days? >> friday it was roughly around 40, done a few animal rescues, but for the most part, there's still areas we can't even get to due to the rapids.

>> reporter: so those raptdids, i'm hoping you can see them on this droen footage that we shot over rose city, you can see how fast the water is pouring into the city because the natchez river has just not receded yet. you can also see some train cars that are derailed there, cars that are derailed. you still have not been able to get back into the city to check on it. how many are we talking about here? >> the city has a population of about 40,000. we still don't know about property loss, most of the city is under water. >> reporter: people hard at work here, volunteers, city officials, it just goes to show that the smaller cities here in the south of texas they're still reeling from this storm and trying to get a grip of just how people are and if everybody's accounted for. >> it's incredible to see that

footage, and just the scope, a lot of times what happens is you move away from a story, but you see that city still very much impacted and still very much under water and it a story we need to keep reporting until people are able to get back into their homes and begin the recover process. joining me now, democratic congressman al green, congressman for part of the houston area. you greeted president trump when he came to that meeting on saturday. during that meeting, you gave him a letter which really laid out your own aid requests for your area. was the president receptive to your letter? >> he didn't make any commitments, for example helping the homeless people make a transition, and the debris removal, but those are of paramount importance and i thought i would bring those to

his attention. >> 7.$7.85 billion from congres as an initial aid package for harvey. from's been discussions about attaching it to the debt ceiling as well. should those two things be li linked here do you think? >> my preference would be that we immediately take up the aid package. my concern is that there is some debate as to whether the debt ceiling is raised. i am for raising the debt ceiling, i don't think delay helps us at all. the suffering is huge, i was out last night with people in their homes, when you go into their homes, you get a greater appreciation for what they're having to endure. the water is high, the odor is foul, they have food coming in from various sources, so my hope is they're going to take up this funding, but let's get to houston and other parts of the

country that have been harmed as quickly as possible. >> we're talking about some of your conservative colleagues that want a clean bill and want to keep the debt ceiling as it is. do you think they need to see the area to see how much people are impacted in order to really understand the scope and the magnitude of the help people need there? >> yes, it would be exceedingly helpful for people to see it, to really, really embrace what's going on, lives have been totally devastated. you have children living in conditions that are not healthy. not only will we have to have jobs and transitional housing, we're going to have a lot of health care needs that will have to be met. my hope is that my colleagues will have to understand, that an emergency, a circumstance as dire as this, that we should immediately take up the health care issue, if they attach it to the debt ceiling and we can get it done that way, i'm not going to fight that. i support raising the debt ceiling, my concern is the delay associated with colleagues two

do not. >> congressman, the government back at work tomorrow, when you are expecting a vote on harvey aid? >> well, there are rumors that we'll have that vote this week when we get back, before we leave. hopefully, wednesday or thursday. but as far as i'm concerned, we should have been called back to take up the vote before now, this is not a typical circumstance. we have not seen anything like this before. the stories are going to continue for months and years to come. my hope is that we won't dilly da dally, that we'll get to the business at hand and get it done. >> our hope is for the best of the people of texas right now as they go home and see the mass of destruction that's taken place over the last 11 days. coming up, everybody, as the president leans towards ending daca, some people are concerned with pushing back.

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welcome back, everybody, a senior official from the donald trump administration tells nbc news the president is leaning towards ending daca with a six-month window to come up with

a fix. now the president has not come up with a final decision on the rule that protects undocumented immigran immigrants. >> the dreamers don't refer to our children. they refer to other children coming into our country. and i want dreamers to be about our children. >> we have to make a whole new set of standards and when people come in they have to -- >> you're going to separate families? >> we have to keep families together, but they have to go. >> the daca situation is a very, very difficult thing for me. because, you know, i love these kids, i love kids, i have kids and grandkids. >> all right, let's get into this, msnbc contributor and director of communications for latino decisions, victoria

defr defranchesco. what do you want to see happen with daca? >> i thought that president trump was going to cut it off completely, and granted, we still don't know for sure what the final piece is going to look like, what i want is a congressional solution, because having an executive order always has the dreamer situation in peril. so i want to see congress actually pass something. they have been trying to pass a dreamer act, something like daca protecting the children of undocumented students since 2001. it's been 16 years since congress has tried to pass a dreamerabl act. about half a dozen times it has come to a vote and it has failed. so now speaker ryan says he wants to get something done and we finally get a legislative solution and these kids can rest easy. >> you're saying that president

trump has giving six months for congress to get something done. they have so much on their table and now he wants to add this to the list of things they need to get done. let's say that after six months this expires, then what happens to those people? how are you going to advise those people? >> you know, we're going to be up in to a campaign year, so 2018 and this, if it does not pass and my hope is that it does come together. but if it doesn't, this needs to be a rallying cry for the latino voter base and more largely people who support the dream act. and you see both republicans and democrats support this, so for me, if it doesn't turn out, this needs to directly pipe into the 2018 election, in november. >> but looking before the 2018 election, the people that are going to be directly affected by this in the next six months or

so, do you want to see these people grandfathered back in before something happens and changes to the negative and daca is no more? >> we don't know the details yet, we don't know if that six-month end is going to mean that if you're already in it, he's just going to let your daca permit expire or if there's going to be a cold, hard end to daca after those six months, so we don't know, but the best piece of advice for daca recipients would be to make sure that all of their documents are in order so that in the best-case scenario you are grand fathered in than to let your daca paper work expire. >> we'll have to wait and see what president trump's final decision is. coming up, everybody, casting a wide net, just six months after president trump's inauguration, more than two dozen democrats are reportedly eyeing a run for president.

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massachusetts senator elizabeth warren. seems like we just got done and now we have another one just around the corner. joining me now to talk about this is pennsylvania governor and national committee chair. thanks so much for joining me on this labor day, very much appreciate it. so a lot of people out there probably scratching their heads right now when they're listening to me and they're saying it's too early. so do you think it's too early to begin planning for a presidential bid? >> from the voters stand point, it's way too early. we as voters don't want to hear anything about this, nothing, be from the candidates standpoint there isn't. a lot of these candidates who are running for re-election as senator or maybe governor in to 18, can use that money from their campaign to fuel their presidential campaign. it's exactly what hillary clinton did when she ran for re-election to the senate in

2006, she used the money she raised there to help her run for president in 2008. so people who are thinking about it are using it as a vehicle to raise money for 2020. >> governor, is there a dangerous here of having such a huge field of nearly two dozen being reported right now that could be feasibly be running in to 2020. a supercandidate that everybody can put their voice behind to make sure that they can get their voice heard? >> that's always a danger and you saw what happened in the republican primary, we had 17 in the field and we got the least qualified candidate. there is a distinct front-runner, and if in the summer of 2018, president biden

said that i'm going to run for president. i wasn't ready because of the death of my son, he's a year and a half older than vice president trump, if you have spent any time with him, he has the vitality and physical strength of a 40-year-old, he's the one guy, the one candidate who could appeal to our progressive base, deal with minorities and bring back those white trump voters who were democrats who voted for trump in '16. if joe bide on says he wants it, i think he essentially pre-empts the field. >> congress of course returning to work tomorrow, governor and lawmakers they have a lot to accomplish in a very little amount of time, of course eclipsing it all with disaster relief, helping provide money of course by people affected by hurricane harvey, avoiding a government shutdown and raising the debt ceiling. what are democrats going to be looking to get out of all of

this? >> well, i think democrats want the debt ceiling raised because we need to do it, the consequences of not doing it or disastrous to the financial system and the financial stability of this country. i think we understand that. by the way, i was very touched by what congressman green said, i think he ee's absolutely righ let's do a straight quick bill on funding for houston relief and not make ill part of the debt ceiling, let's just have a clean vote on the debt ceiling, i don't think we should do a deal. remember if you go back just a few short years, the debt ceiling was raised with democrat and republican votes routinely. there was no big issue, no one tried to adopt any political poison pills in the bill. no one tried to fake advantage of the bill to get other things done. we need to raise the debt ceiling, it's important to our financial standing in the world, we have got to do it. do we also have to get our dealt

under control, sure we do, but that's an issue for another day and an important issue. >> governor ed rendel, thanks for joining us on this labor day, we appreciate it. thinking about the residents of your city right now, search a lot of people having to sort of take stock of everything they have lost and rebuild their lives really, how are recovery efforts going so far in your area? >> you get into some of the smaller towns that were harder hit, like port aransass, rock port, there's still a lot of brush and debris, everybody's belongings whose house has been destroyed are piled up on the streets because they've been ruined. there's a lot of work to be done here in south texas. >> what kind of help do people need? >> right now the mosquitoes are so bad, they're the size of dragon flies, a lot of

mosquitoes out so potential for zika or some disease, so we're worried about the mosquitoes, we're still trying to get fuel and power to folks. once the power is back on, it's possible for the grocery stores to open up and things return to normal quickly when the power's back on. but we have still got four or five days in a lot of communities when the electric company says power is going to be back. >> congressman lou green said that -- what are you hearing, what are you hoping that congress can take up a recovery bill? >> i met yesterday with majority leader kevin mccarthy, he said he wants to bring a bill to the floor on wednesday, so when we get back, that's going to be the number one priority. >> what about this issue of raising the debt ceiling that i was just talking about with ed

rendel. the congressman wants to vote on raising the nation's debt limit. do you think that's a good move here? >> my complaint with some disaster relief bills in the past, is they tack other stuff on. let's have the disaster bill go through, i think it will overwhelmingly pass on a bipartisan basis, then we can deal with the political issues later in the week or next week. >> let's talk about some of the other things that are on congress's plate right now that they need to do or get done next month. keeping federal agencies open. is there a possibility that the government could shut down after the end of this month? do you consider this so much on the plate of congress going ahead? >> i think nobody in congress wants to see a government shutdown. nobody wins, it's a tool to get spending under control, but we have got other tools in the box to do that, now that we have a republican in the white house. >> all right, congressman blake

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. his abusive use of missiles and his nuclear threats show that he is begging for war. war is never something the united states wants. we don't want it now. but our country's patience is not unlimited. we will defend our allies and our territory. >> welcome back, everybody. that was nikki haley, u.s. ambassador to the united nations, speaking to the u.n. security council this morning after calling for an emergency meeting to address threats that north korea has successful leave tested a hydrogen bomb. here's what trump told reporters yesterday about whether he'll attack the rogue nation. >> mr. president, will you attack north korea? >> we'll see. >> can we call that a trumpism, joining us, allan smith, politics reporter for "business insider." niall, i start with you. nikki haley saying kim jong-un

is begging for war. do you agree? >> he certainly is acting in a very provocative fashion. he is certainly pushing back against the threats or threats of action that have come from the trump administration. i do think one of the difficulties here for the white house is this is a difficult problem, and for threats to work, they need to be realistic. now, we've seen the white house at times suggest it might consider military action. we've also seen them suggest they might sort of try to stop trade with china if it doesn't stop trading with north korea. nobody really believes either of those things are imminent. and so i think that weakens the effectiveness of making the threat in the first place. >> allan, some would argue kim just wants a seat at the table. he's, quote, embarrassing china by doing things when china is maybe having a major meeting in their country and hosting countries there. and instead he wants china to press the u.s. to sit down with

north korea. >> yeah. look, north korea in doing all of this with the missile launch, you know, this is really a mechanism for kim to maintain some legitimacy. he wants to maintain power above all else. he knows the quickest way for his regime to end would be for him to make a successful nuclear strike. that's when the military options that all look very bad on the surface would really need to be considered. and in all likelihood used. so the thing going for the united states right now is the fact that kim does want to maintain power. and that's sort of delegitimizes him making a successful nuclear weapons attack on a u.s. ally or the u.s. itself. >> allan, from your view, what military options do you think the u.s. has? >> they're all very bad on the surface. attacking north korea would be absolutely catastrophic. putting tens much thousands at immediate risk in addition to millions across the border in

seoul. so the military options there attacking north korea would be absolutely catastrophic. >> niall, how do you think china is going to react? we have heard they condemned the testing of the missiles, of course, talked about sanctioning north korea. but what are the next steps here for china? do they stop sending oil? >> one of the things that one hears when you talk to people in the administration is this focus on china as the real pivotal player in this. they don't believe north korea reacts to u.s. pressure directly. they want to strip china away as a patron of north korea. i do think that we're seeing some willingness more recently for china to go along with sanctions to strike a slightly harder line. but ultimately, china wants, apparently, the regime in pyongyang to survive. and so that limits just how much they're likely to do it. >> i can't remember what steve bannon said before he left, of course, when he said they got us. did he really let the cat out of

the bag there? >> well, look, he said what most experts on the situation agree with. which is that there are no good options with north korea. this is because, again, a military strike would put tens of thousands of americans at risk, millions of south koreans at risk. the sanctions clearly, they have been going on for a very long time. secretary mnuchin promising new sanctions this week against north korea, some of the toughest ones yet. but kim jong-un has not shown any reaction to being sanctioned in the past. and doesn't seem clear that as far as we could push or as far as the united states could push north korea up to the line it would react in any different way to being sanctioned further. >> we're going to have to wait and see what happens with the situation this, obviously. it's developing day by day, week by week. thank you to you both very much. that does it for us for this hour. katy tur is up next. >> thanks so much. right now on msnbc, an international crisis, as north korea detonates its largest ever nuclear test. the rest of the world is

weighing its options. an emergency meeting at the u.n., a simulated attack in south korea and steadily increasing tensions in the pacific. back here at home, we're waiting for what could be president trump's biggest executive decision to date. will he end the obama-era rule, protecting undocumented immigrants from being brought here as children? and ten days after harvey laid waste to america's fourth largest city, houston is starting to pick up the pieces as the floodwaters recede in south texas, we're starting to get an idea of just how destructive that storm was. and how much the recovery is going to cost. good day. i'm katy tur in new york, where u.s. ambassador nikki haley made a forceful condemnation of north korea's latest nuclear test in a speech before the united nations security council this morning. >> kim jong-un's action cannot be seen as defensive. he wants to be acknowledged as a nuclear