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today more americans are dying of overdoses than ever before, and this is the epicenter of that crisis. >> we're on a pace to have 800 people die this year due to overdose in our county. >> what's the percentage of the bodies that are in here right now that are overdose deaths from heroin or fentanyl? >> we were averaging 50% to 60% of our cases are now overdoses. >> do you know anybody that's died? >> yes. my boyfriend and my mom just died in january. >> are you going through withdrawal right now? >> yep, pretty much so. >> here we go!
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>> open the door! open the door! >> do you guys mind explaining why we have to put these masks on? >> the short answer is, if you breathe it in, you can die. >> you said you have a nickname for this street. >> morgue. morgue avenue. >> you literally walked in to cash a check. by the time your brother had got in an accident and told paramedic he was on fentanyl. what's it like to go through this? >> hell. hell every day it is hell. ♪ welcome to montgomery county, ohio, where thanks to a drug so powerful it could kill you if you touch it, police work isn't what it used to be. why is a sheriff's deputy supposed to be fighting crime driving around with a heroin antidote? >> we don't have enough ems
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units for the overdoses. when we first started doing this, it was one every two weeks. then it gradually worked one every week and now we're into three, four five a day. i could probably look on my computer right now and there would be three or four overdoses on there right now somewhere within this county. >> it didn't take very long. the deputy said there was a car accident. you can see that with the mini van and pickup truck. they took one person out of the vehicle who they said had 1,000-yard stare, out of it. so now he's in the back of an ambulance. >> he's my brother. we just lost our dad to an overdose. >> you lost your dad to an overdose? >> yes. i come outside and there's an accident. and then he -- and another officer comes up and tells me that he said he took two caps of fentanyl. >> fentanyl, okay. >> and i don't know -- i wasn't even in the car when it happened. >> do you use yourself? >> no, not at all.
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>> anybody else in your family hooked on heroin or fentanyl? >> my other brother. >> how many brothers have you got? >> three. >> i've tried my whole life to keep my family sober. literally, i was so -- >> how bad do you think the problem is in dayton? >> sick. >> can i ask you a question. did you think your brother was using? >> when i first picked him up, no. >> not today? >> not today when i first picked him up. >> when was the last time you thought your brother was using? >> about six months ago he was supposed to be on the vivitrol shot. >> and it's supposed to last for a month, right? >> yeah. >> you walked in to cash a check. by the time you come back, your brother had gone, got in an accident and told the paramedic he was on fentanyl? >> yeah. >> what did he look like? >> his eyes are glossy. he can barely open them? >> what did he say to you? >> he loves me. >> he said, he loves you? what did you say to him? >> i love him, too.
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>> what's it like to go through this? >> hell. hell. every day it is hell. >> traditionally, opioids like heroin are made from opium popies but what's ravaging this community is made in a laboratory. over the past two years, fentanyl, a synthetic opioid that can be thousands of times stronger than heroin has been flooding into places like here, montgomery county, ohio, where the overdose death rate has been skyrocketing. through just may, overdose deaths in the county almost hit last year's total. officials estimate this year's final number will double that. some people say that montgomery county is the epicenter of the opiate crisis in america now. >> yeah, yeah, per capita, we're number one in the nation on overdose deaths. we're on pace to have 8 00 people die this year due to overdose in our county. >> when i think of -- if i'm a mexican drug cartel and i want to bring my product to america, i'm going to the big cities. i'm not going to montgomery
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county. >> it's strange why they picked us out. i think mainly our location, our job market tanked. we lost all of our auto motive industry. the average overdosage is 40 to 49. that's your primary workforce. i think it's driven by the loss of a good job. they're bringing in jobs here paying $13 an hour. people can't make ends meet with $13 an hour, so people -- i think they're depressed, self-medicating and they don't know what they're getting when they buy a gel cap they think is full of heroin. now we're having people overdose on fentanyl because it's so much stronger than heroin. some people think they're buying heroin. these dealers are mixing fentanyl in it. >> the first opioid abuse was prescription pain pills, including oxycontin. access to pills was restricted. in their place came heroin made from mexican popies, cheaper and more powerful. a couple years ago, traffickers began mixing fentanyl into the heroin. >> yep, that's him.
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i'm getting in the car. >> and fentanyl is by far the most fatal drug of abuse america has ever seen. so fatal that relatives of users are calling the police to try to keep them from overdosing. >> i saw him right here. through the thing right here. he scooted right this way. >> this is just a warrant. >> one guy. >> the complainant told us he was using heroin at the time and would like us to come and arrest him on the open warrants to keep him from overdosing. >> they thought he got away. as we were leaving we saw him run throughout backyard again and now everybody's on the hunt. all of this for a guy they suspect of having needles on him. >> the problem is, he could be in any of these vacant houses. >> that's the thing, this is a neighborhood filled with abandoned homes. >> yes. >> you live around here? >> you had you. >> you said you have a nickname for this street. >> morgue aef. >> morgue avenue? >> it's not morgan, honey, it's morgue. >> which houses have people died? >> which houses have they not
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died in? really. >> really. >> really. look at all these places, man. it wasn't like this four years ago. >> that's when you moved in here? >> uh-huh, yep. i clean up the neighborhood and i have to wear these big thick gloves because of these needles and crap. it's unreal. >> as the death rates skyrocket, the bodies come to the montgomery county coroner, dr. kent harshbarger who does tests to defect over two dozen varieties of fentanyl. >> this is what you call the cooler? >> our main cooler. >> when did the bodies come in here? >> over the last 24 to 48 hours. >> and every -- every day bodies are cycling through here? >> correct. these trays will mostly be full by tonight. >> what's the percentage of the bodies in here right now that are overdose deaths from heroin or fentanyl? >> we are averaging 60% to 70% of our cases now are overdoses. >> so, 70% of the people that are in this room died probably of fentanyl?
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>> correct. that's correct. >> if you could extrapolate from the numbers you see here in montgomery county, how many people across ohio are going to be killed by fentanyl this year? >> for our system we cover a fit of the state of ohio. we're estimating about 2,000 overdose this is year. if that continues. that's about 10,000 for the state or more. >> 10,000 for the state. >> for the whole state. >> that sounds like a national number, 10,000 overdoses from fentanyl. >> correct. our number for 2016 ohio was estimating 4,000 overdoses and we're double that, if not at least 2 1/2 times this year, if this trend continues. >> i just saw a doctor walk out of the autopsy room towards the cooler and do this. like, what is that about? >> that's probably his fourth case today. >> fourth case of the day? >> of the day. we're all tired. >> when you think about the fact there will be by the end of the year 12,000 people who have died from fentanyl in ohio, how is that not a mass casualty event? that is multiples of 9/11. >> it is a mass casualty event.
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and actually with my friends in cuyahoga county, we've been trying to put pressure on the state officials to declare a health emergency. this is no different than some kind of mass casualty event in any other form. it's just a medical event. >> a medical emergency. >> i believe so. it needs to be recognized that way to bring some federal assets to help us. coming up -- the face of addiction. if any of your family or your friends catch this on tv, what do you want them to know? >> that i love them. and i'm sorry. re drowning in in. where, in all of this, is the stuff that matters? the stakes are so high, your finances, your future. how do you solve this? you don't. you partner with a firm that advises governments and the fortune 500, and, can deliver insight person to person, on what matters to you. morgan stanley.
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once montgomery county sheriff's office comes into contact with people who have overdosed from heroin or fentanyl, part of their job is following up in neighborhoods like this. it's something normally a social service office would do but there literally aren't enough people to help. why are you knocking on people's doors after they overdose?
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>> we're the heroin capital of the world -- >> hey -- [ inaudible ] [ bleep ]. >> hey, nicholas, okay, there's other neighbors out here. i tried to come over here -- >> that's all the more reason. >> and you can't yell like that. >> i'll do whatever i please, right. >> can i talk to you for a minute? we're just trying to gulf him some services. we know he overdosed on heroin last week and we're just trying to get him some help. we're not here to be mean to him. we're just trying to help him deal with his addiction so that he's not another statistic so we don't come back here and have to take him away from a body bag. >> another reason overdose victim was just around the block. did you overdose, christina? >> i didn't. my mom did. i had to watch her. i went through a little bit of the scene with her. hi to see her. >> and do you use also? >> yeah, i use also, yep. i'm trying to get the help myself. >> so, your mom, who's in the car here, overdosed. did she overdose? the house?
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>> she overdosed over here, actually in the building. we had to get her an ambulance. >> right here across the street? >> yeah. >> when was the last time you used? >> yesterday. >> how many times a week would you say you're using? >> every day. you have to every day when you're on heroin. >> you seem clear-headed. how do you stay focused on getting help? >> my kids. i have five little ones. they're going through things because of what i'm going through. >> five kids. >> yep. >> who are you in the family? >> i'm a great aunt. i have two of the youngest kids, one is addicted. >> you're taking care of the kids. >> yeah. >> they were born in addicted? >> yeah. >> this is c.j. they said he would do nothing. he was born at 32 weeks and he was really addicted. >> at 32 weeks? >> yeah. he's still in therapy, occupational therapy. >> you're a hero, bud. what do you get, mcdonald's? >> yeah. >> never give up. >> what do you have? >> a toy.
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that's awesome. are you chicago chicken mcnuggets. >> this is cameron born at 38 weeks addicted. >> hi, cameron. >> he still has some issues they haven't figured out yet. >> what is it like to see these kids going through this? >> it's hurts because she wants to spend time with her kids. you can't do that while there's still active drug abuse going on. >> do you think there's drugs in the house now? >> no. >> you're saving these kids' lives? >> yeah. >> on a personal level, you've been in this job for a while, what is it like to see your community going through what many people outside this community can call an ep democrat snik. >> i worked the road when we had the crack epidemic, which was very violent but it wasn't to this extent where people are dying every day. it's very sad where you see mothers dying, leaving their children behind. children services have 250 kids they can't place with foster parents. there's that much overload with the demand. >> it's not easy to get addicts into treatment.
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what the sheriff's department provides a form of detox in their jail. >> this is one of our female dorms where a lot of inmates are going through detox right now. we try to keep them housed together so they can take care of each other, peer-to-peer support because the whole detox process is just very nasty and it's rough on them. >> so, most of the women in here are going through some kind of withdrawal right now? >> yeah. ladies, how are you? >> hi there. what's your name? >> cara. >> cara. how did you find your way in here, cara? >> i was coming here to get drugs. >> you traveled here to pick up the drugs? why? >> because what you pay for $5 here, can you sell for $20 where i live. >> so you were using and selling? >> yeah. >> is the drugs stronger coming from here? >> yeah. >> they are? do you know anybody that's died? >> my dad. >> your dad died.
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yeah. in january. >> in january. sorry. >> that's okay. >> how many people that use know somebody that's died? >> everybody has to, i bet. >> everybody? >> i guarantee it. >> everybody knows somebody that's died in here? yeah, yeah. ten days ago? >> she got released from here, went out on the street, used and she passed away. the fentanyl is killing everybody. >> it's killing everybody. what are you doing in here? >> actually for trafficking and possession. >> trafficking and possession. of? >> well, fentanyl and heroin. >> were you using as well? >> yes. >> how many years have you been using? >> on and off seven years, eight years. i've been clean one year and then two years i was clean and went back a couple times. not no more, though. i'm done. >> do you have a family? >> yes. >> kids. a grand baby, so i'm done. >> you're a grandma? >> yeah. they're too precious to me now,
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so no more. >> what's your name? >> heather. >> heather. how long have you been here? >> just a day. >> just a day. you just got here? >> yes. >> anybody ever tell you you look like kristen stewart? >> no. >> what brought you in here? >> coming from indiana to here to get the drugs and got wrapped up. >> what were you using? >> fentanyl. >> fentanyl. so, if you just got in here, are you -- you're going through withdrawal right now? >> yep, pretty much so. >> can you describe how you feel? >> like crap. >> like crap. i have no energy to do anything. hot. at the same time i'm cold. uncomfortable. my body hurts. >> sounds like a pretty crappy feeling. >> yeah. >> have you felt this way before? >> yeah i've been through it before. it's not fun. >> what do you do when you feel this way? >> stick it out. it's usually when i'm in jail.
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>> otherwise you go use again? >> yep. >> how long have you been using for? >> four years, five years. >> nonstop? >> yeah. >> how old are you? >> 29. >> do you have a job? >> no. >> do you want to stop? >> i don't know. >> you're not sure yet? >> right now, no. >> right now you want to be using? >> yeah. >> do you know anybody that's died? >> yes. my boyfriend and my mom just died in january. >> i'm sorry. if any of your family or your friends catch this on tv, what do you want them to know? >> that i love them. and i'm sorry. >> when you look at that and you
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compare it to other times here, where does it rank? >> that's the worst i've ever seen it. usually you get five or six girls in that are sick. some in their beds, under their covers. that was the worst i've ever seen it. >> when you go in there, mentally -- for me it's mentally overwhelming to think, there's just one room in here but you have thousands of people across this county that are exactly the same way. >> yeah. >> what goes through your head? >> luckily they've been caught, arrested so hopefully we can get them into treatment and get help. as you've been hearing, if they don't get treatment, they'll go right back to using and that's when they overdose and die. >> when we come back, the daily battle to take fentanyl off the streets.
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deaths per capita than just about any other cause of death. >> i've never had one cause of death that reaches 70% in my workload. this is unbelievable. >> you overdose, all the other addicts go to that dealer because he's got the best product on the street. >> even if the guy died? >> yeah, that's what they're looking for. for chasing the next best high. it's a strange, strange business model how you kill your client. >> your customers, yeah. >> yeah. >> fentanyl is so sdaeddeadly i causing deaths at mass casualty levels. taking it off the street is more critical than other drugs because any dose of fentanyl could be a fatal one. we're at the office of the montgomery county sheriffs that deal with trafficking of heroin and fentanyl that come in from mexico. they're about to brief on the search warrants they're going to serve today. >> most likely it will be a car-to-car deal. >> today the task force is going after street-level dealers hoping to find out who their suppliers are so they can track them down, too. i think this might be my first time putting on a bullet proof vest. >> if you keep doing this, it
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won't be your last. >> yeah. >> would he we'll get the chopper up and then we'll start fog our target around. after we follow the target around, hopefully we get him pinned down enough to make an arrest. an undercover officer meets with the informant who is going to buy the fentanyl from the dealer. he gives the informant a wire so the task force can track him. >> check, check, check. >> all units, we are rolling. >> at the same time, the team's eyes in the sky keep watch on what's happening below. >> captain and these other officers are inside this car right now listening to a live wire on a confidential informant. the buy is under way. we're waiting for the call to actually go in for the raid. >> there he is right there. >> the buy goes down in a mcdonald's parking lot. afterward the undercover officers meet up with the informant to retrieve the drugs
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he bought from the dealer. >> drive safe. >> you got a glove or something? >> in the back. >> it's fentanyl, so -- >> fentanyl. >> looks like it. >> once the informant's off the scene and the undercover officers have the fentanyl, the rest of the task force moves in to try to arrest the dealer who's driving. that's him, right? so we're passing him. this guy on the left. in that blue kia. the dealer fakes out the task force by stopping at a green light. they lose track of him and he doesn't get arrested until two days later. they send the confidential informant to buy from another dealer. >> there he is right there. >> who shows up at this deal on foot. >> that's going to be him. >> just grab him. let's just grab him. >> here we go!
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. put your hands behind your back! >> i'm going to guess this is the dope he was going to sell. >> now someone is calling him right now. >> it's been blowing up. >> do you think that could be another deal trying to go through? >> good chance. >> we don't know yet if that's heroin or fentanyl? >> correct. >> that could potentially be deadly? >> oh, yeah. the scary thing is you can absorb it through your skin. >> that's why you wear these gloves? >> yes. >> what are you going to do with this guy? >> right now we'll hold him. he's going to give us information we can use later on and possibly go get his supplier. >> you're going to follow whatever he had back to the place he got it from. >> yes. >> you think that guy is an ounce-level dealer? >> yes. that's our ultimate goal is to climb the ladder and put as many guys in jail and as much drugs off the street that's killing people. that's the goal. >> is that it right there? that's what you guys got in the field? >> uh-huh. >> so, what is is it? >> fentanyl. >> it's fentanyl. >> china is the primary source of fentanyl in the united
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states. most is shipped to mexico and smuggled across the bothereder by drug cartels. they picked montgomery county because running through it are interstates 70 and 75. what law enforcement calls the crossroads of america for drug trafficking. a couple hours later they locate the midlevel dealer and pull him over. >> guy just came out of the car. we're searching him now. >> so this the guy. they got him right here. they busted him with about half an ounce of heroin, fentanyl. we're not sure until they test it in the labs. the idea is he's arrested. we're about to raid the house where these drugs came from to see if there are any more drug there is. >> we're hoping after talking to him there are several more ounces of fentanyl inside. >> several more ounces? >> yeah. we're getting the search warrant signed now. we'll have the entry team load up and go search. >> it's over 12 hours we just showed up for the first briefing. we just had another briefing and about to go on our third bust.
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we're all piling in this thing. rapid deployment vehicle. here we go. this looks much more serious than what i've seen earlier today. how come? >> definitely. just the risk is a little more. obviously we're going into a house we don't know much about. >> do you expect to find more here than we've seen throughout the course of the day? >> we're hoping so. 30 seconds. >> there's the house. >> security. >> go, go! >> open the door! >> open the door! >> get on the floor! on the ground! on the ground now! >> did you see any narcotics yet? >> there is narcotics, yeah. >> whoa. >> yikes. >> do you mind explaining why we have to put these masks on? >> the short answer is, if you
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breathe it in, you could die. >> if you breathe this in, you could die? >> yes. you touch it, you can absorb it through your skin, it can kill you. >> eyeballing it, how many ounces? about 13 ounces? >> yeah. is there any way to calculate what this means in terms of lives? >> there's approximately a rough estimate maybe 360 grams here. each cap contains a tenth of a gram. >> when you talk about lives, people, what do you think? >> a tenth of a gram could certainly kill you. >> oh, yeah, less than a tenth of a gram could kill you. >> a couple grains of that -- >> is enough to kill somebody. >> it's hard to wrap your head around. >> yeah. >> what's your reaction to seeing this right here? >> it's a good day. >> yeah, good day getting a lot of fentanyl off the street. basically you're seeing a lot of lives saved right there. after the break, the main drug smuggling route into the united states. every single day 50,000 vehicles, around 20,000 pedestrians and untold loads of
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i'm milissa rehberger. hurricane irma is a cat fore4 and expected to hit cuba by friday and likely head to florida. governor rick scott declared a state of emergency for florida. jeff sessions has scheduled a briefing for tuesday morning at 11:00 a.m. eastern to discuss the future of daca. the a.g. is expected to announce the trump administration is ending the program that keeps 800,000 young immigrants who came to this program as children from being deported. now back to "one nation overdosed." where is all this fentanyl coming from? >> generally comes from our southern border, mexico, controlled by a cartel and then up to the dayton area. >> the mexican cartels is bringing fentanyl into the united states through the southern border and it ends up in dayton, ohio? >> that's right. >> this is the sanya sid row
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port of entry and it's the busiest land entry. every day 0,000 vehicles, around 20,000 pedestrians and untold loads of narcotics make their way to the other side. what's the biggest threat coming through these borders? >> it's everything. we're looking at everyone. we're looking at illegal narcotics, heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, fentanyl, all entering the border. >> in the san diego sector, which includes this port, seizures of heroin have tripled. last year all pounds of fentanyl seized at the mexican border were taken here. and meth seizures have more than quadrupled. that's one of your agents that stand out here and specialized to look for suspicious activity? >> that's right. he's looking at the spare tire. the spare tire here potentially look for any tampering, any kind of anomalies. once he sees something, he'll initiate contact with the driver. >> so, literally physical conversation, talking --
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>> how you doing? >> the dea says most narcotics entering the u.s. are driven in, hidden in vehicles through what mexico's drug cartels call plazas, metropolitan area with legal border crossings. they're also all areas with a border wall. this gentleman was detained in a drug case as he was passing through the port of entry. right now he's under arrest and on his way to face justice. the next step was to search the car he was driving. what we're looking at right now is this vehicle was pulled into secondary screening here at the port of entry and it got a positive hit from the canine, the dog. it appears that in the dash is some sort of narcotics that have been hidden in the vehicle. now they'll tear this car apart to see what's inside. they're tearing apart in the engine area right now. if you take a look inside here, in the passenger seat where the dog got a hit for narcotics, they pulled out the glove compartment but nothing yet. looks like they found what they're looking for after cutting open the cowl, the upper
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part of the engine below the windshield, they started to pull out these bags of -- i guess we don't know what they are yet. five of them so far. six, seven, eight. just keeps coming. i'm just looking at how many packages you have here. looks like three deep. he's cutting through these packages with just a knife. looks like he's getting a little sample of whatever the drug is on the knife and then he puts it on some kind of scanner machine? >> he'll take a little sample out of the package, put it on testing equipment. the testing equipment will then give us a reading of what potentially that drug is. >> do you know what you've got there? >> yes. >> what have you sghot. >> methamphetamine. >> is that a normal load? >> for us, hard narcotics, particularly heroin and methamphetamine, the packages are getting a little smaller. the number have increased because packaging is smaller in order to put them in deeper concealment in the vehicles. >> what happens then with meth
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that i've personally seen coming across the boreder? >> they are flooding us with meth. they have super labs in mexico making meth. we get ten key lows of meth per one key low of heroin. they're trying to change the market. i don't know if it's because they're killing their customers. but they're flooding us with meth all of a sudden. >> if i was a betting person, this won't be all we'll get today. we could get up to another five, six loads today and that wouldn't be abnormal for us. >> why if you're a cartel do you want to send drugs like this through a legal port of entry where can you pass with your passport? >> on a yearly basis we'll deal with 75 million travelers across the boarder. >> so, translation, they think they can sneak it by you? >> right. >> next, the people who make fentanyl. >> i am interested in getting
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everybody that's died in this county, you're storing their blood samples for a year? >> correct. >> when you talk about a mass casualty event, this is one of the best ways to see how many people have died? >> correct. actually, we have to have -- we've purchased more storage because there's so many blood samples now we have to store. >> whoa. >> these cases here are actually our current working cases. >> they are just active cases. >> these are active. >> and every vial represents somebody who's died? >> correct. >> when you look at this you're desensitized and it looks like you're in a science laboratory but they represent freaking -- it's human beings. >> every one of these cases is a
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loved one that's passed away. 70% are overdoses. of 70%, over 90% are fentanyl, smoke it, inhale the powder or inject it. >> shoot it, yeah. figuring out what causes an overdose death in montgomery county requires lots of forensic work because the coroner's office has identified over two dozen fentanyl killing ohio citizens. but where these items are being manufactured is not a mystery. >> they can order it from china and they'll mail it to your house. >> people are sitting at home in dayton, going to their computer and people are just getting mailed packages of fentanyl? >> yeah, yep. typically they mail them to a vacant house, which we have plenty of. they can mail order it from china. >> back at my desk at the nbc news los angeles bureau, we decided to put that to the test. the main supplier of fentanyl is china. while chinese officials tell us they've been cracking down, it still seems like it's relatively easy to get in the united states. this is mitch and arne, the two
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producers i've been working with on this story so we're going to try. where do we go? >> let's use google. >> google what? >> buy fentanyl. >> fentanyl. the first thing that pops up at the top is buy fentanyl 3m from cheng labs. >> this is interesting here. >> what does it say? >> fenlt nil has been growing in usage in united states within the last decade. it's a highly potent opioid linked to thousands of deaths. overdose from fentanyl is problematic especially when it's included as an adulterant is street heroin in order to increase potency. they're basically acknowledging what we saw in the streets. >> basically saying we sell stuff that kills you, do you want some? >> do you want some. so, my name. we've come up with a fake name. richard stephens. i am interested in getting
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fentanyl sent to us in the united states. i live in california. is that something you can help us with? think that works? >> that works. >> thanks, richard. submit. let's talk more about what's on this website. >> chinese laboratories. >> chinese laboratories are largely responsible for the upsurge and availability of illicit fentanyl in the united states in recent years. this was addressed recently by the chinese government who introduced a export on move of fentanyl and a modified version was then marketed to be sold. they acknowledge they know exactly what this stuff is doing. >> right. >> basically it's not just going to mexico and then being smuggled across the border, you could go on this website and ship it here directly. i got an e-mail. >> then a few minutes later -- >> whoa, the e-mail came through. we have a very potent fentanyl analog, very similar in potency
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to original. we only accept bitcoin. warm reregards. four minutes it came through. what time is it in china right now? 3:30 in the morning in china right now. is it possible to get it to me without it being taken by u.s. customs? okay. here we go. they e-mailed back again. >> how long? >> three minutes. we provide a reship guarantee. we ship using ingenious packaging. my name is sarah. nice meeting you, mr. richards. smiley face, warm regards. that is customer service. >> wow. >> so, next question. ingenious packaging, that is great news, sara. >> what kind of ingenious packaging? can they send us pictures? >> yeah, can you send us a picture of the packaging? >> would you be willing to send me a picture of the packaging? all right. >> ten minutes. >> ten minutes later we got a response.
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there's pictures! >> wow. >> please find attached. please note we have new fentanyl analog. we often change packaging styles. no i haven't been to california before or anywhere in the u.s. sorry, my connection very slow sometimes. warm reregards, sara. this is the package the fentanyl comes in. and this is the box that they ship it inside. i can zoom in, i think. >> yeah, yeah. >> there it is. that's what it looks like. wow. that is amazing. how much would a kilo be for our initial order? send. a few days later we again heard from china. this time from somebody other than our penpal. even though fentanyl was supposedly banned this year in china, we know it's still flowing into the united states so we asked our colleagues at the nbc news beijing bureau to ask china's narcotics control
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division if china is at least in part to blame for the all the fentanyl deaths in the united states. here's what they said. >> so, what he's saying is it's hard to say it's purely china's problem. he says there's plenty of blame to go around. >> plenty of blame to go around. fair enough, there is plenty of blame to go around. look at this, just four days after we first started talking to our friend in china about ordering fentanyl directly to the united states, they gave us the price for a kilo. they will resend it by free. >> what did you say? >> what did i say back? >> yeah. >> i said, it's the fourth of july, can i get back to you because i don't think i should order fentanyl directly to my office. probably the best bet for now. we never went through with our orders so we can't confirm whether or not they actually ship fentanyl or if it's just a scam. the dea tells us some mainland
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chinese companies sell fentanyl and other illegal drugs online. chinese officials claim they're cracking down on the deadly drug but it's still showing up in the u.s. directly from china. every international piece of mail that enters the country is subject to search. in los angeles this is the facility where certain packages get extra scrutiny. >> as echl-commerce has grown, e-commerce is one of the contributing factors in the volume making sure we examine mail from china. >> china is sending us our ipads. they're also sending us fentanyl. >> yes. >> you can say that, right? >> yes. >> as part of this story we've been e-mailing with china a particular laboratory in china. i asked them to send us a picture of the packaging and what the shipment comes in. we were talking to them about ordering fentanyl directly to the u.s. is that something you might see, a box like this in which there's a package like that? >> similar, yes.
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we examine those packages like that. but when they dump mail from china, as you see through e-commerce, it's a range from large variety -- >> it's consumer protection. >> exactly. >> you don't want an air bag that's defective, you don't want eyeglasses for the eclipse or people ordering fentanyl through the mail. what are you looking for now? >> something dense, something that's thick that could be powder form. >> this looked like a dense powder form potentially? >> it's actually a vial. and it's steroids. >> steroids. >> the agents here are looking for all types of illegal drugs coming from china. steroids, ecstasy, date rape drugs and now fentanyl. >> have you ever come into contact with fentanyl here? >> yes. >> what does that look like? >> it looks like any other white powders.
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it's scary stuff. >> why is it scary? >> just because the amount of damage that a small amount can do to a person. obviously, you know, we have families. we don't want to go home to our families. >> so, you're cutting open what you think is fentanyl? >> yes. >> you've seen packages that look like that before? >> every day. >> every day? >> yeah. >> now a laser shoots through there and breaks down what the chemical compound is basically? >> right. >> this sample was headed for somebody's house in southern california? >> yes. >> it goes off to the lab and we find out when, end of the day or tomorrow? >> hope. ly by the end. day. >> if that was fentanyl? >> it turns out this time it was an illegal sedative, not fentanyl. with chinese manufacturers continuing to make and ship variations of the drug, there's no telling what the next package will bring. i got an e-mail that i want to ask you about. this is from a woman named sara from this chinese company. she says, hell loeshgs the last few days we had technical problems with our website. now everything is resolved. our mail is working properly and all orders will be fulfilled. not if you have anything to do
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with it, right? >> exactly. and my officers, too. >> up next, the long road back from drug use. >> this is your mug shot? >> yes. >> whoa. >> it just looks like death. i feel like i should be on an episode of "the walking dead" as a zombie. copd makes it hard to breathe.
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what were you using? >> fentanyl. >> fentanyl? >> uh-huh. >> to help addicts and their families n dayton there are support groups like families of addicts. >> we're scared. we're lost. we don't know what to do. >> you've come to the right place. >> the question i was asking myself is, are we helping or hurting? by we i mean us, us families who know things about addiction recovery. >> the group is run by a mother slash daughter team. how did this all come about? >> well, the way i say, i have 11 years of my own recovery from alcohol and other drugs currently, but that didn't
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prepare me for when i found out that april started using heroin. >> your daughter. >> yes. i didn't know what was wrong with her and i saw the marks on her arm. i said, what is that? she said, you know what that is. i was like, i had no clue. >> i felt like she knew that i was using drugs, so i just -- i don't know. what else do you say? she made a scene. i was like 16. >> she walked away from help, stolen a lot of my stuff. i do remember asking her, can't you just not do it for one day? she was like, no, it's not like that. i said, how is it? she let me into what her life was like. and it was really educational. so, i wanted to bring that education to other families. >> it's so scary -- >> tonya watkins attends families of addicts. she says she started using opioids in 2008 after the birth of her first daughter and has been in and out of treatment and the county jail. you've been clean for over 100
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days. >> yes. >> how did you do it? >> i actually fell out and quit breathing, so i -- that scared me. that's never happened to me before. >> when you say you fell out, what does that mean? >> i stopped breathing. i was taking fentanyl and heroin. as soon as i shot it, i stopped breathing. that scared me so i checked myself into rehab. >> nearly every day since then you've been in some kind of program? >> yes. that's like what i -- i eat, breathe and sleep treatment. i have a sponsor through narcotics anonymous who i call every day if there's any problems or have i any cravings or urges to do anything. . not just necessarily with drugs. i just got a house with a couple friends. i got my job back. just getting back on my feet is very hard, but, you know, i do it and i talk about it, i share about it in my groups and meetings. >> that's one of the big keys, keep talking about it? >> definitely. if i don't talk about it, that could bring me back out there like having guilt over -- >> you have to get that stuff
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off your chest. >> yes. >> are you comfortable telling me what kind of stuff? >> yeah. i've been -- i've been raped several times. just last may, i was going to buy drugs during the daytime in a bad area and some guy came up behind me and grabbed me by the back of the head and drug me into the backyard of an abandoned house and violently raped me. i didn't call the police because i was on probation and on the run. i wasn't checking in, so i had an active felony warrant. i ended up turning myself in in july. when i was in booking, they did a pregnancy test and i found out i was pregnant by that person. >> from the rape? >> yes. i decided to carry the baby and give her to a family who couldn't have children so i gave her up for adoption. i'm still in contact with that family. just that situation alone, like, the guilt of giving a baby up for adoption.
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if i don't talk about that with people and get feedback from my counselors and friends, like that guilt could cause me to do other things that could lead me to use. it's crazy to know that, like, one wrong move and i can be back out there. >> this is your mug shot? >> yes. >> whoa. do you remember that day? >> yes. a little bit. i was pretty wasted in it. it just looks like death. i feel like i should be on an episode of "the walking dead" as a zombie. i see someone who's lifeless, for real. >> in a weird way when you look at that, does it make you feel good about where you are? >> yes. i'm so grateful i don't look like that anymore. i'm so grateful i got a chance to get back on track because some people won't get that chance. >> staying off any kind of drug of addiction can be a life-long struggle. but now with fentanyl, america's
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deadliest drug ever, there's also a race to stop using it before it kills you. . >> lord of the flies, let's play ha hardball. good evening i'm chris matthews in washington they're dropping like flies. donald trump has shed almost all of his senior staff. the result of one of the most chaotic west wings in recent history. look at this

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