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rest of us -- >> two positive things. jeff sessions is back. and two, i say to my friend, michael steele, you look good on that show "grays" my friend. you looked good, brother. >> thanks to michael steele, who will star on the next show when he's available. thanks to my panel. that does it for our hour. "mtp daily" starts right now. hi, chuck. >> welcome back to you. >> thank you. >> good to see you. and happy labor day, post labor day. if it's tuesday. what happens to so-called dreamers now? tonight, president trump ends protection for the so-called dreamers. >> the department of homeland security should begin an orderly, lawful windown. >> the president promises heart and compassion in unwinding the obama era dak protections and
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calls on congress to find a solution. >> i have a great heart and love for them. plus, the north korean nuclear threat. the u.s. is now running out of patience and options. >> do we think more sanctions are going to work on north korea? not necessarily. but what does it do? it cuts off the revenue. >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. and welcome to "mtp daily." we begin tonight with a political fight that could define and potentially divide both parties for years. democrats and some republicans are ticked off after trump announced today that he will terminate daca, the obama era program protecting about 800,000 immigrants brought here illegally as children from deportation. the trump administration says it's giving congress six months
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to pass legislation to address the issue before the program officially ends. here's what the president said moments ago about the move. >> i have a love for these people, and hopefully now congress will be able to help them and do it properly. we have no choice. we have to be able to do something, and i think it's going to work out very well. and long-term, it will be the right solution. >> his move has sparked demonstrations across the country, not just at the white house or trump tower. and a bunch more are scheduled tonight. democrats are furious. even president obama put out a lengthy statement calling the decision cruel and lacking basic decency. some top republicans, including paul ryan and john mccain, aren't happy either and they say for similar reasons. but a lot of conservatives are cheering the decision, and some don't think it went far enough. the president ultimately put the ball in congress' hope but gave them little in the way of the playbook. the white house is saying if they're going to fix daca, they
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better fix the entire immigration system with it. >> would he be willing to sign simply something that addresses daca legislatively? >> the president wants responsible legislative reform. and certainly to control the border, to improve vetting and immigration security, enforce our laws, and do things that protect american workers. >> by the way, those priorities include the wall. but here's the problem. for republicans in congress. they have six months to do something. but they don't know exactly what their own president wants them to do and what he'll sign. on this issue, he's been all over the map. >> we have to make a whole new set of standards. people have to go. what is if they have no place to
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go. >> we will work with them. we're going to show great heart. daca is a very difficult subject for me. >> should dreamers be worried? >> we love the dreamers. we love everybody. thank you very much. >> some republicans are not happy about the lack of direction from the white house right now. >> my challenge to the president is that you have talked very glowingly about these kids. help us. help us in the house, help us in the senate. i think you're a good man. get involved personally. work the phones. try to find a consensus here. >> republican senator marco rubio today echoed senator graham writing -- >> obviously, marco rubio has a little bit of his own legislative ptsd on the gang of eight and the comprehensive immigration reform. here are the consequences of the
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president's decision. this is likely going to be a major wedge issue, possibly for both parties, democrats and republicans. when congress is trying to find a consensus on everything from government funding to hurricane aid. yes, democrats are going to be divided over how badly they want to protect these immigrants under daca. are they going to be willing to fund a down payment on the wall to do it? but republicans are going to be divide, as well. over things like how badly do they want that wall? are they going to be willing to save daca after it largely rejected the idea back in 2010? could there be a compromise somewhere in there? is this town capable of practicing politics anymore? i'm joined by democratic senator dianne feinstein of california. senator feinstein, by raw numbers, there are more so-called dreamers in your state than any other. so let me ask you this, is funding the border wall something you're willing to accept if it means protecting those under daca?
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>> well, i think it's an unnecessary ask, candidly. daca has passed the senate. but we spent days and weeks on a comprehensive immigration reform bill back in 2013. i'm the ranking member of judiciary. that's where we did it, in that committee. and we passed out a comprehensive immigration reform bill. and it got 68 votes and daca was part of that bill. so that bill is available. it can go to the floor. it can go to committee and be marked up again. there are those two possibilities. but we can do this. we can mandate it. we can pass a bill to make it the law. and that's what we need to do, and we should do it. and so i believe that every senator should stand up and take this vote now. we have 800,000 young people. we've got 300,000 of them in my state alone.
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you've got 90% of them who are employed or in school. they are constructive, want-to-be citizens of our country. and daca gives them a way to do that. >> i understand you want it to be stand alone. in a perfect world, i'm sure there are others that would like that, too. the way congress used to work is everything that was give and take on a lot of things. i know the idea of give and take anymore is the good ole days of how congress worked. but i guess i am curious how much give is there with you and other democrats? >> chuck, we could put more. i could put an agricultural reform bill into this, which would get all of the ag states, because it would give those undocumented that work in agriculture a legal certification to be able to continue that agricultural work. absent it, every ag worker is illegal in this country, because there is no legal workforce.
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so we could fix that problem. we could fix eb-5. we could fix h-2-a. we could do a number of things, but we have to move quickly. i think the first one that we need to do is assure these 800,000 young people that they are going to remain in this country. and we are going to pass legislation to do it. i believe that legislation will pass the senate. it passed it before, and i believe it will pass it again. >> how quickly should this happen? you guys have harvey aid, you have to keep the government open. you have the debt ceiling it looks like, john cornyn has said that the debt ceiling raise is going to be part of the harvey package. should democrats make daca a part of the harvey package? >> well, maybe if that's what it takes, yes.
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if we put harvey in, we put daca in. we pass the debt ceiling and it's done. i actually haven't thought of that before, but i would be for it. and i would be for putting it on the floor alone. because i believe it will pass. we have a majority of the american people in every poll saying they would support it. in california, it's extraordinarily important. you have over 50 ceos of big corporations that have written and said these daca workers are good workers. we want them, they're going to contribute to the economy. >> was daca legal? >> daca was executive order. legal is what is the law of passage of something. you know, there are ten attorneys general prepared to sue. i don't want to get into that. the point is, daca is here. and we've got 800,000 young
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people -- >> your answer indicates, though, it's on shaky legal ground. >> it is. that's why we need to pass a law. and we should do it. >> before i let you go, i have to ask you about north korea. >> okay. >> there seems to be -- you heard nikki haley, the ambassador to the united nations, she's arguing for more sanctions. even acknowledging that at what point sanctions don't appear to be working. is there -- what's left in the arsenal here in the diplomatic arsenal that hasn't been used that you think could make progress here and have north korea stop this? >> well, we've had six underground nuclear tests now. the last test tested at a higher level than both bombs in japan, nagasaki and hiroshima. so the last test would kill over 200,000 people. i think we're at a time of
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crisis. i think that secretary tillerson ought to move forward. i think he ought to enjoin the highest person he can in north korea, and sit down with them. no conditions. i think -- why are you doing this? what do you expect to get out of this? except we are not going to let you fire a nuclear bomb at the united states of america, north korea. be assured of that. we're not threatening regime change. i have not heard any public figure talk about regime change. but what we are talking about is how to settle this. what does it take to settle it? what does north korea want? none of us have any idea of what that answer is. and we need to find out. and what the dear leader needs to know that by doing this, you're not telling us what your need is.
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and what it is you want. >> how can we be this far along and not know, and not know from the chinese what they want? isn't it basically survival is what he wants? and he thinks that -- he thinks that without the nuclear weapons he looks at gadhafi and hussein and he says, well, they're gone. >> yeah, he doesn't want regime change. well, i have not heard anyone in this country talk about regime change. so before he does something really stupid, really crisis breeding, and really breeding a response, i think he ought to say what his concern is, and there's no better way that do it than a no-condition based discussion. i think the time has come for that. i think secretary tillerson and the administration ought to move to do that. a mistake in the nuclear area, as i've said before, there is no
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limited nuclear war. and it's armageddon. we have to understand that and know it and do something about it. and it can be done. >> senator feinstein, we'll leave it there. thank you for coming on. let's go to the other side of the aisle, joinedry republican chris collins of new york, the first member of congress to endorse president trump, and an adviser to the transition. good to see you, sir. >> chuck, always good to be here with you, back here in d.c. where work is beginning tonight. >> let me ask you about daca. >> sure. >> where is -- is this something that you're willing to vote on stand alone in the house of representatives? you heard senator feinstein, it should be be a stand alone bill, take the vote, get this done, get these folks protected. where are you on an idea like that, sir? >> our representative carlos r
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carbela in florida and myself have introduced a bill that is a stand alone daca bill that says we will take these dreamers, and for the next five years, under certain conditions of them being in school, being employed, being -- having a clean record, being in the military, we give them five years of conditional, permanent status. at the end of that five years, they would be given permanent status, work status in the united states. again, as long as they have maintained for those five years good moral character, a job, they weren't on social assistance and the like. so yes, i'm find with that being a stand alone. i'm on a bill right now today that is stand alone and i'm fine with it being part of comprehensive, not only h-2-a, but h-2-b. and we have to deal with the 12 million undocumented workers working on the farms and hotels.
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>> assuming they pass that checklist, are you willing to give permanent status, putting them on a path of citizenship? >> that's something we have to discuss. that's not clearly in the bill. i've always been open to that for the dreamers who were brought here by their parents, and i've also said for comprehensive immigration reform, it's legal work status that those who broke the law, the adults that came here are really after. i have an open mind when it comes to the kids, the dreamers that have been here. but our bill right here speaks to five years of legal status followed by the permanent legal status, which is not necessarily -- >> can that bill pass the house of representatives? >> i think it can. we ore a compassionate country, chuck. the president has said these are many young men and women who they speak primarily our
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language. maybe that's the only language, this is the country they've been brought up in. we are a compassionate country. so i think yes, certainly the democrats would come on board and i truly believe most majority of republicans would as well. this is to me a little bit of common sense. >> the president has yet to make it clear if he would sign a bill like this. he wants -- they've been sort of cagey about what they would sign, while at the same time, talking about that they have a lot of compassion here. you've heard senator rubio, senator graham, who both frankly are a bit gun shy themselves. they want down this comprehensive immigration reform road, they want to know what the president is willing to sign before they go down this road again. is that a fair ask? >> i do think it's a fair ask. i do think -- certainly the president is well aware of the issues with h-2-a and h-2-b as
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well as the undocumented workers, we need to address this problem. certainly over the next six months, which is the amount of time attorney general sessions has given us for the temporary daca reprieve, if you will, i think that's a reasonable thing. we have a lot to accomplish in september. once we're done with that, we're working with tax reform, there's no reason we can't roll immigration reform in, as well. certainly it would be well received across america if we could get this done once and for all. >> are you comfortable with the idea it may be getting lumped in with harvey, the debt limit raise is lumped in with harvey, you have to figure out how to keep the lights on this month, is that -- is that all fair game and should that be -- should those be vehicles that are considered here in order to get daca -- your version of daca passed or some other version? >> i wouldn't rush daca right now. we have six months and these other issues, whether it's
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harvey or the faa or the children's health care, which all has to be done in september, we have a month to get all of those things done. we have six months to deal with daca. so no, i would not rush that into these other bills, and whether the debt ceiling is included with harvey, i'm indifferent, because i'm going to support both, and i'm not going to let us default on our nation's debts. speaker ryan and leader mcconnell's decision, but i'm okay with it, because i'm going to vote for it. >> this came up in the haste ho -- last hour, why now? why not postpone this debate for six months. why do you think the president needed to do this now? we're, a, a pretty divided country right now. i don't know how much more divisive politics we can handle. number two, you guys are inundated with a lot to get done that has to do with people's lives, when you think about harvely and things like that.
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we know a monster storm is on its way from the second largest state in this country could get hammers. was this the time to pick this night >> i don't think the president is picking a fight. in fact, some of us would say this is long overdo. we have to give some level of certainty. the dreamers, they deserve it. their families deserve it. and so i would have been fine if we had done this right out of the ghat ate in jat lalate janu february. working on daca has nothing to do with working on fundamental tax reform, which is something we'll do over the next few months. so it's not like we can't multitask. we all pretty much know, chuck, where we stand. there's no real information -- >> there's no new debate. >> there's no new debate. let's just get it done. i think america is tired of us procrastinating, especially when there's no new debate and no new
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data coming forward. let's just do the right thing. >> i hope you're right about multitasking. i've been watching a while. it doesn't look like congress does multitask very well these days. thank you, sir, for coming on. coming up, the daca decision adds another task on the packed to-do list from congress. how much will republicans break from the president to get some of these things done? we'll be right back. of risky websites. wow. that's cool. how much is it? oh, it's free if you have a discover card. i like free! yeah, we just want you to be in the know. ooh. hey! sushi. ugh. i smell it! you're making me... yeah, being in the know is a good thing. know if your social security number is found on risky sites. free from discover.
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it into play, from there to today, the 12 years it's been the issue that is essentially fractured and redefined our politics. >> i think there's a lot of truth to that. you get into health care and there are other issues -- >> think about where your party is. immigration blew it up. >> immigration blew it up. many of us who worked for george w. bush wished he would have tackled immigration first before -- >> the first term. >> or even tried to tackle it before social security reform, that we may be in a different place today as a country. but it's a very divisive issue. you look at attorney general's press conference today. it was a perfectly rational, legal case for it. but the human side of it. >> no political argument. >> to me, 101 as a aide to any of these individuals is to say, there's a two-minute opening about the importance of building families and how we have a lot
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in common and as president bush used to always say, family values don't stop at the rio grande. and there was none of that today. to me, i just think who is writing this stuff? >> maria, is this hard to get done or not? i have to say i was -- chris collins and dianne feinstein sound like two people that can cut a deal. >> they're reasonable. >> it sounds like there are, in theory, there is a majority. probably a large majority for daca. why isn't it done? >> two challenges that came up today. one is sarah huckabee sanders put in a monkey wrench saying the president wanted comprehensive immigration. >> john cornyn called that guaranteed failure. >> and they couldn't even pass the skinny bill when it came -- >> skinny how? did i miss a skinny immigration bill. >> daca came out stand alone,
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but that's what the administration was doing. the challenge comes not whether the democrats are going to play. they'll play almost 90% of the time, is how extreme are they -- are the republicans are going to be held to the extreme part of the party who doesn't want anybody here? the challenge with daca is when we hear the president say they want the perfect immigrant, they want someone who contributes to the economy, someone who is english speaking, with a background check. these daca folks have done everything. they're culturally american, serving in our military. today, andrea mitchell was sharing that. they were not aware that there were daca recipients in the military. that's how ill-informed this is. >> they are americans. that's the reality. they haven't known any other country. members of congress and the president have a moral obligation to fix this. this is a moral issue. and there are very legitimate debates, and the immigration debate and i agree with the attorney general, you can't let
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everyone in. you got to have a process. it's completely broken. but the people we're talking about today are americans. >> and they live here. >> what i'm trying to figure out, it doesn't seem like this should be that hard of a compromise. you want a down payment on your border wall, here's daca. i don't mean to be that crass about it, but there's no -- there's none of that in congress anymore. >> that is true. i think in a different -- i guess you go to war with congress you have. >> but he's on the same team. >> i do think the democrats are not going to budge on a wall. i don't think they're going to abide in any way, shape, or form of a wall being part of this. they feel like they have the leverage on daca, because in a sense trump created this. they have no time -- >> okay, you have all that leverage, until it expires in six months. do you want to own -- >> the wall is, you have republicans who are not going to
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go for it either because they understand the consequences of what happens. >> let me be totally crass here. does anyone believe this down payment will be enough to get the wall done? you give a down payment for the wall, that will still likely never be built and you get daca. >> there are legitimate things that need to be done in the immigration thing that aren't working. >> they both brought up h-1 visas. >> there's a lot of agreement on both sides. to me, the failure here is, we shouldn't be talking about comprehensive immigration reform. you're right, it's not happening. but there are many things, whether it's sections of the border that are particularly porous that need to be dealt with, whether it's ree co-evalig all the numbers, and they should -- >> the majority of democrats voted for -- >> what is disingenuous when
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sessions said we need a country of laws. there's few folks that work on immigration that believe in open borders. it is what do we do with 11 million people here. and these folks are on a federal system. today's attorney general from california said that he's going to sue, because they are trying to break the law. >> it's worth noting that if you're going to start with rule of law and keep out all the moral arguments and all the heart arguments, first of all, two weeks ago, joe arpaio. you have any number of court challenged travel bans. you have a major investigation targeting a lot of your associates, if not you. rule of law is an interesting one to lead on. >> sarah, in a ten-day period, arpaio pardoned, daca rescinded. we go from 2004, george bush
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carried new mexico and did well with hishispanics, and it's bee slide downward. i heard somebody try to claim that trump got the same number as romney. it's not even close to true. you just look at the voting returns, you know it's not true. this seems to be putting a foot on the gas pedal to chase hispanics away from the republican party for generations. >> there's real structural problems with some of the legislation that's been proposed by some republicans. this to me is, a huge part of this is a tonal problem. president bush ordered immigration reform that included strong borders, but he had the good sense to talk about what he believed, and what many americans believe, which is that there's an understanding that people who are coming to the united states are coming here because they want better lives, and there's a real human element to this that seems to be
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>> we are not looking to the total annihilation of a country, namely north korea. but as i said, we have many options to do so. >> welcome back. more tough talk from the trump administration after north korea conducted its largest ever nuclear test explosion. north korean state media called it many more times powerful than the bombs the u.s. dropped on japan. in tweets over the weekend, the president accused south korea of appeasement, threatening stopping all trade with anyone who does business with north korea, which includes china. and he announced an arms deal with south korea and japan. joining me now is max baucus, former ambassador to china. welcome back. >> thanks, chuck. >> you heard nikki haley there. essentially you've got to do something. what is the something that's left here? >> i think a couple of things. number one, it's -- this is
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existential, getting close to the point where something bad might happen with all the buster on both sides. the time has come, she's right in one respect, keep the pressure up on kim jong-un, as well as some of the pressure to some degree with china. on the other hand, i think we have to get real, that china is part of the solution here. it's not just talking to kim jong-un, but talking to xi jinping and to china. >> i'm curious, senator feinstein, her call was for the secretary of state, no preconditions, one on one. the secretary of state and whoever kim jong-un wants to designate. what do you think of that? >> i have a couple of problems. as in the past, they will play us, talk, talk, nothing happens. but second, even more important, it's more than kim, it's also china. china is not going to stand by with whatever happens in the peninsula. they're deeply involved in the north korean solution here.
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the time has come for the united states to start talking cold turkey with china in a much deeper way than we have. >> what does that mean? what leverage -- do we have leverage over china on north korea? >> yeah, we do. >> what is it? >> short-term is oil. there's that. north korea will just totally collapse if they don't get the oil from china. china can stop that. but really, even more important, the united states and china both have a real interest in stability in the peninsula. china, i think, will want to work with us, if we sit down and say okay, china, if you squeeze kim a little bit more, here's some of the things we'll put on the table that you may want, china. this is an opportunity for china to say, okay, you americans, you want us to do this, you ask us to do something -- >> president trump has all but said some of his trade ideas are open -- >> no, no, not that. i'm talking about things that are real. it's totally i don't think, in
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my judgment, to say okay, we'll back off on trade if you help us. my god, china has screwed us in investment and trade. >> that shouldn't be on the sna table? >> no, things like the south china sea, maybe we'll back off on joint forces operations off of the korean peninsula. there are things that we can do that china will be interested in. all i'm saying is let's put a few of these items that are serious on the table and talk to china in a very solid, reasonable way. the time i was over there, when we americans would talk to china about kim, it was just checking the box, it was not really serious. i'm not blaming obama. the previous administration is saying we have to develop a foreign policy cadre and team that -- just go over there and talk more to china and put things on the table. >> do you believe the chinese when they say they don't have the same leverage or that the north koreans aren't listening the way they used to?
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>> i think that's true. the most derogatory statement xi ever made was about kim jong-un. >> he doesn't make derogatory statements about anyone. >> they have more leverage than anyone else. china and the united states in many qways are going to determie the standard of living of people in the world. we've worked on climate change together, we've worked on the u.n. security council. we've worked on iran together. we've got to work together on kim jong-un. >> what do you make of this new south korean regime? the president used the word appeasement that's rattled a wunsch bunch of people in south korea. but certainly the new administration, they came in wanting dialogue with the north. >> right. the new regime is more moderate, they want dialogue. it's stupid to criticize the new regime. certainly under these circumstances. it's stupid to say we're going to stop all trade with all countries, including china, if
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those countries don't work with us. we need carrots, as well as sticks. some of the sticks are, you know, sanctions and so forth. but some of the carrots, some of the items china might want to talk to us about. >> one of the other problems is russia. putin made it clear sanctions are not the answer. he's vetoing any new sanctions. >> that's part of it, too. we have to work better together as a team. that's congress and the president. the president has to work more as a team within himself. he's got to be believed, he's got to be credible. >> do you think his threats are not credible? >> i think they're not very credible. we're not going to blow up north korea, unless we're seriously threatened. in my judgment, kim jong-un is not going to try to shoot a missile in our direction either. >> max baucus, former ambassador to china, thanks for coming on.
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time for "the lid." lebo, there's something about the north korea story, there's something about it when people say we keep hearing it, we keep hearing it, it's always about north korea. but when you think about the last six months, it's been a biggest can labi biggebi bbig escalation. >> i think the big story here is one day you're in white neoise, one day you're in a mushroom cloud. no one know what is the end game is except for the unimaginable.
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>> diane finestein has one idea. this is one of those, it's not like a bunch of diplomat i believe action actions have be. >> the u.s. has the military might to do whatever it chooses to do. seoul would be eliminated immediately. and people recognize that. and that's what makes this more delicate going back decades. >> i feel as if the american diplomats are feeling it, right? >> in the beginning of june, china went out and basically did a full page ad telling korea to step back. >> really, a strongly worded
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letter, but i strenuously object. >> they don't have the stability in our own white house. that ags on north korea. as president obama was leaving the white house, he told president trump you have to make sure that we are thoughtful in our evngagement and then he started tweeting. >> chesapeaina is the key to so this, at least a tenable solution. and the many times the republicans said to the president, put the brakes on this conversation about trade, many national security experts put the brakes on and they
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marched forward with it and it's created a challenge relative to north korea. >> president trump seems to be viewing this as a matter of saving south korea. and in a sense, you forget about -- first of all, steve bannon a few weeks ago before he was fired, he actually made the point that we have no leverage here. that was an intermediary step. but obviously the complexities are many, many layered here. >> so you don't think cancelling a south trade agreement is good timing? >> it doesn't seem like the best timing. >> that's what it seems, that there's not a consistent message coming from the oval office here. >> the new chief of staff appears to be putting processes in place, but they don't appear to be all in place yet. in a typical white house there
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outside the senate this week. tomorrow marks 40 years since a senator stood trial. he's accused of handing out political favors in exchange for vacations. this trial could reshape the senate. it's unlikely, but it's possible, here's how, menendez could refuse any calls to resign, after all remember bob mcdonald, his decision got thrown out by the supreme court, and in doing so, the official definition of bribery got more narrow. and jury trials, they love to put politicians behind bars, once the appeals process kicks in, you see what happened to mcdonald. there's a gop congressional effort to get menendez to resign. and his successor would be
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appointed by governor chris christie. that could change the calculation of some of the president's agenda items. so there are a lot of ifs there, but it's not senator menendez's futures that hangs in the balance as this trial gets under way. we'll also see if menendez ever gets t get to see. lots to watch, it's a trial to keep an eye on, we'll be doing it for you. we'll be back tonight, "the beat" starts right now. >> thank you, chuck, appreciate it. >> donald trump went back today publicly talking about mexico while investigators are bearing down on his private fixation with russia. we have new developments on both sides tonight on "the beat." the backlash to president trump's announcement that he's going to
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