you can always e-mail me at ari@nbc.com. this is what we call a talker. hardball with chris matthews is next. family ties. let's play hardball. good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. after a summer of anticipation, congressional investigators on capitol hill may be closing in. in an interview behind closed doors the senate judiciary committee will interview donald trump, jr., in that june 9th meeting at trump tower last year. donald trump, jr., first said that meeting was about adoptions. however, e-mails later showed he agreed to meet on the promise of

information that would incriminate hillary, information from the russian government. his now famous response, if that's what you say, i love it. especially later in the summer. in an exclusive interview with nbc, the washington lawyer denied making good on that promise saying she passed no significant information about clinton incriminating or otherwise, and that she was not representing the russian government. yet the story notes, quote, intelligence experts have theorized that she may have been a pawn in the scheme by russian spy agencies to test the waters. well, tomorrow's interview will be conducted by staffers, senator bloomen thaul plans to attend. >> the critical part of his testimony will be following the financial dealing, the approaches and promises that were made about the meeting and

other meetings that may have occurred and what he hoped to gain apparently, dirt on hillary clinton. he said i love it when he was promised it. the question is whether he will cooperate and he will be fully cooperateerative. >> on that point because the story has changed so many times over this process, are you confident he will tell the truth tomorrow? >> there's penalties if he lies. >> also tonight there's some breaking news on the russian effort to influence the 2016 election. "the washington post" is reporting tonight that the social media company facebook quote, told congressional investigators wednesday that it has discovered it sold ads during the u.s. prejudice election to a shadowy russian company seeking to target voters. while "the washington post" notes the discovery is likely to fuel pointed questions from investigators of whether the russians received guidance by people in the united states.

tom, of course the clawing question here is who is calling in this facebook effort? i mean somebody is paying for it over in moskow. but who in america was telling them what to look for and how to use it and what to sell? >> well, chris, that's exactly the question. and it's one the senate and house intel committees tell us after receiving this report from facebook that they want answers to. what we know so far is that a russian organization purchased about $100,000 worth of ads between mid-2015 and 2016 targeting voters during the presidential campaign. >> what were they advertising? what were their sale pitches the. >> so the sale pitches, a very small proportion mentioned candidates like donald trump and hillary clinton by name. but most were targeted on social issues, the most divisive ones. guy rights, guy marriage, black

lives matter, and questions of racial identity and unrest. >> trying to stir things up. >> that's the way it seems, and that's how it was viewed by the folks who reviewed them. and the agency that bought the ads, the group that it's been traced to are ones that have been known for promoting russian propaganda on u.s. sites in the past. >> gosh, that's the old cold war stuff by the soviets. thank you, tom hamburger of the woeps. donald trump's interview with the judiciary committee tomorrow comes after he said in july he had disclosed everything. >> i just want to truth to get out there. and that's part of the reason i released all the stuff today. >> so as far as you know, this is all of it. >> this is everything. >> however, days following that interview it was revealed there were additional russians in that

meeting that donald trump, jr., had omitted from his story. i'm joined right now by a reporter with nbc's investigative unit and a senior politics reporter at usa today and nbc political analyst. i want to go to heidi right off the bat here. what's worrisome if you're donald trump, sr., tonight about your boy going before the star chamber? >> well, you're finally under record and under oath. and going back to that meeting if you remember one of the key things was the e-mail was incriminating simply because it said this from the russians is part of our campaign to help your father. so one of the first questions is going to be what campaign. and i have to say -- i only say this with a little bit of irony, at some point these committees

are going to ask where is the server. what campaign? >> thanks for joining us. you're theectspert on the prosecution case here. it just seems to me there's a lot of collusion right in our face. i don't think we have to go looking too far for it. here's the son of the candidate responding to some kind of proffer from a russian that they've got some dirt they can give them or trade them on their opponents, something of value, an in kind contribution for the campaign that they were offering up for some sort of deal. isn't that collusion itself, going to such a meeting? >> so on its face this looks awfully close to a federal campaign, federal election violation. federal law prohibits a foreign government or foreign individual offering a donation or anything of value in connection with an american election. and these e-mails alone really

give the impression that donald trump, jr., and the other participants in this meeting have a lot to fear from bob mueller, that trump, jr., had has a lot of exposure tomorrow when he meet with senate judiciary committee staffers. >> what about taking the fifth. i guess when i say i love it, that's pretty gushing. they were behind in the campaign i think back in june of last year. to say he loved getting this information. in fact, he wanted to get it later in the year when it had more firepower closer to november. he's not an older young man. he's a young adult. is he smart to take the fifth tomorrow and say i can't be acknowledging that? >> trump junior is going to have a bad day no matter which way he plays it. he's under truth of perjury.

if he takes the fifth amendment, though, invoking his right to avoid testifying in order to avoid incriminating himself, it looks terrible. it's really an explicit acknowledgement that he believes he's guilty of certain crimes. probably his best strategy and the one i would expect to see him use here is to continue this story line that he didn't really know what he was doing, that people should have mercy on him. i don't think bob mueller will have mercy. and i wouldn't expect senator blumenthal to show it either. >> tough assessment. the latest word we got from hamburger at the post, buying facebook time, buying $100,000 in ads. and of course this new reminder now that the russians really did try to hurt hillary.

they tried to help the trump people do part of the hurting. >> yeah, this facebook thing is really interesting. there's a lot more to learn about how they use fake news and social media. we're just at the beginning of this. as incriminating as those e-mails were offering exitplicit help from the russian government, she told the news in recent days she didn't offer anything incriminating. >> she said that. >> that's been her story. and she's also telling us she's not been approached or interviewed by the special counsel robert mueller, which is curious to me. because the russian american lobbyist who was at this meeting has already testified before the d.c. grand jury at this meeting. there's no doubt this meeting is a key aspect of this investigation for mueller and the house and senate. the question is even if her story is true, it still may be

the case this was an overture from the russian government, intelligence agencies to see how the trump campaign was going to react to this explicit offer of help from the russian government. >> let's get back to heidi. it seems like this young -- well, not young. let's just say the son of the candidate heard this sexy bit of dirt he could get his hands on about hillary clinton, whatever it was, and certainly that's why he held the meeting. that's why he hosted it right there in trump tower. and now for this lawyer whom i have no reason to believe one way or another, comes out and says oh, it didn't happen. we know it happened -- >> in her initial interview she was asked to have any ties with the kremlin, and she very memorably said niet and looked down like this.

she came into that meeting with an ask. her ask was that one thing which vladimir putin wanted most, to have that act overturned. >> it was revealed last night intelligence of the house and intelligence committee have subpoenaed the mi6 officer. here's congressman adam schiff from last night here. >> i do have concerns with the majority issuances of these subpoenas to the dodge and the fbi. that was done over the opposition and minority. i think there's a view if they can discredit christopher steel, they can discredit the whole russia investigation or the whole russian involvement in our elections. >> it seems to me this is

partisan, not that i'm shocked by it. but it seems to me they wanted to defend trump from too much investigation. it looks like they're trying to turn the tide here against the dossier. rather than try to get to the truth they're trying to deflect. >> what's really curious about this is devin nunes had supposedly recused himself from this investigation. what is he up to? he's already been in the hot seat for this sort of issue about unmasking that -- exactly. so the question is what are they trying to get at here? the fbi was in talks to pay that british intelligence officer, christopher steele, to get intelligence about his investigation. they took it very seriously. i'm interested to know what was the fbi's relationship with christopher steele, how seriously did they take that dossier, and what parts of the

dossier have they corroborated. but the way the fbi has gone about it raises a lot of questions. >> i got some information last night that the ranking democrat in that committee, schiff of california he's somewhat believing that dossier may have happened in that hotel room. anyway, i want to get to george vance, this about prosecution. i would say however happens in this whole prosecution which could go on for a couple of years, whatever happens it's serious business. i think mueller is going to do the job. now, however trump comes out, the country will be able to say this was done in the right way, this looks professional to me including going after the tax returns which are probably do. following the money as senator

bloomen thaul said you should. i think this is going to be one tough investigation. how do you view it? >> i think you're exactly right. the decision to bring bob mueller to bring him back from private practice to head the investigation, there's no other person inside the beltway that understanding the prosecution and how it works would have better faith with. he's had this experience of making it believable, the people who really didn't follow enron closely, he's do that here. and i have a lot of faith at the end of the day the american people will look at this investigation whether there are indictments or whether there aren't indictments and they'll believe this was done right and the country is ready to move forward. >> well, something in washington is working right at least. of all the actions, i'm glad to see this one done well. great having you on.

thank you all. first rate panel tonight to start the program. coming up, president trump says he has no second thoughts about his decision to end the d.r.e.a.m.ers program. seems like he's only got second thoughts. despite tweeting he'll revisit this. what's that jamboree of thought have to do with anything? up next we'll talk with a member of congress who spent part of his life in this country as an immigrant. what would america look like if democrats were actually fully in charge right now the the presidency of both houses of congress, what would they be doing? i'm going to ask the congressman from youngstand that's going places it, seems. and our strategist taking an early look at the 2020 election, which democrat is best positioned to beat trump at this early point? would it be biden, warren,

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are mixed signals coming from the white house over daca? >> no mixed signal at all. congress i really believe wants to take care of this situation. i really believe it, even very conservative members of the congress. i've seen it first-hand. we discussed that today. and chuck and nancy would like to see something happen, and so would i. and i said if we can get something happen, we're going to sign it and make a lot of happy people. >> i'm getting a lot of mix signals from this guy. i'm joined by a congressman of nevada. later after becoming a citizen. so i guess i want to get from you, congressman, first of all why doesn't congress -- i know i

can play naive, and i'll play naive. we have these people in this country. grew up american, have american accents, let's make it nonprosecutable. why doesn't congress whiz it by and make it law? >> well, first of all let me say it's disheartening to see what the president did to these $800,000 young d.r.e.a.m.ers just two days after he said he loved -- >> so what are you going to do about it? what will bring this problem to a close? what will reenact in effect what obama did for the d.r.e.a.m.ers? >> congress, needs to stop playing political games with these young d.r.e.a.m.ers. we need to act like adults.

>> how did you make a happen the. >> speaker ryan has said multiple times we have to make with democrats. we need to bring republicans to the table and -- >> is it going to happen? >> i would hope it happens. >> sir, what do you think about this? are you for or against the congress codifying what obama did? >> i'm for it understand circumstances. the congress getting rid of daca was necessary. it was an illegal act by president obama. >> that is very controversial claim, because it is in effect now, and there are some attorneys generals who are fighting it, i agree. but you say you speak for those ten or who do you say it's illegal -- >> the district court of texas, the supreme court didn't ultimately rule it was something allowed to the president. president obama said it himself

before it was issued -- >> can the policy be enacted by congress and should it be? >> the answer is yes. but the reason the d.r.e.a.m. act hasn't passed until now, is because from the beginning it was an amnesty act. that was the whole point of it. because when the d.r.e.a.m.ers a number of years ago tried to cut their own deal, they were cut off at the knees. >> there are mixed nals. the president reiterated yesterday he loves the d.r.e.a.m.ers, but in talking points distributed by homeland security, quote, this is an official document today. the department of homeland security urges daca recipients to use the time remaining to prel pair and arrange their departure from the united states. >> these 800,000 americans are

already working. if we take away this daca status, a $640 billion adverse economic impact to our economy in the next ten years. so these young d.r.e.a.m.ers are the future of america, and we're taking away the only dream they know. >> tell me your history. >> high father came here, took advantage of ronald reagan's 1986 immigration reform. reover stayed our visas, and we were able to readjust because this country had compassion. >> how did you become legalized? we were adjusted and able to reus just our status from an expired visa -- >> did you come before or after the act was passed? >> i came after the act. so my father was the first one who became legalized and he petitioned for us. but, again, i know the fear

these young americans are going through. now i'm a member of congress. >> you know what i never hear. i never hear anyone tell me how we're going to end this debate and put it behind us like any other country can do. why can't we have a progressive -- why does that elude us? >> this is too big an issue to have a thousand page deal with -- it's a targeted measure -- >> every other country has an immigration policy. why can't we have one? >> specifically on this issue, the reason the d.r.e.a.m.ers haven't gotten green cards is because the promoters of the d.r.e.a.m. act have never been willing to compromise -- >> let me just stop you there. we know in 2015 there was a bill to pass in the senate. it had 14 republican supporters

and the democratic party behind it. it swept through the senate with like 67 votes. it should have been enacted. it never became law. but we need a law, don't we, that we believe in? >> the problem is -- >> say it. don't we need a law that we believe in? >> what happened in 1986, that was the problem is the lack of credibility, we can't believe in it. the deal was amnesty in exchange for enforcing the law of the future. >> i know that. >> it was a con. >> i understand. why don't we mass a comprehensive bill that has restrictions on people being hired in this country, but also make it possible of people who made their lives here to be americans eventually. it's on the table. the right wing won't accept it. i think most progressives will take it if it's put on the table as a bill. >> in 2013 we had a bill

onboarder protection, everify that included funding for border agents. it included learning english all with a path to citizenship. >> what was wrong with it was not the idea but a sequence because it was a repeat of what we had in 1986 -- >> you start with the enforcement on hiring before you start -- anyway, u.s. congressman, thank you. thank you for being an american, in fact. that's a good thing. keep up the fight. it is a legitimate debate, but i think we have to put all our cards on the table. still ahead our next guest have said our democrats have the worst brand than president trump, and he's a democratic. the congressman from ohio, one of the problem areas for the democratic party these days. he's out there pitching his

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democrats are trying to chart a path forward. president trump defying his own party signed off on a deal with nan nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. republican leaders were livid but ninort leader schumer praised the deal. whets listen. >> earlier today we had a very productive meeting with president trump, leader mcconnell, speaker ryan. in that meeting we agreed to pass aid for harvey, a continuing resolution and an increase in the debt ceiling, both of those until december 15th. this is a really positive step forward. >> is it? well, this is a small step forward at least for democrats. what's the bigger vision they're painting for america? most people don't care about debt ceilings. and by the way, chuck schumer looked like he was the cat that

swallowed the cunaanary there. okay, i'm fine with that. but what's that about building this country up. dont you guys and women have to show the country once in a while a picture of physically what america is going to look like if you were returning this show to vemind them why you should vote democratic even if you're losing some of these elections, keep the hope alive in e even. >> i think it starts with our communities, rebuilding thetuants. and that's not just public sector spending. but we have about 75 million millennials and 75 million boomers who all want to move into walkable kmunlts. and this sounds a little wonky. you have the public spending on light rail and sidewalks and streets, but there's trillions of dollars in private sector

spending that would get behind something like that. first, let me tell you, it is unacceptable what thesis communities look like. i was home in august and drove through some of mine and visited some other ones, this cannot happen in the united states. we've got a new billion dollar steel -- >> how come when i travel, i've traveled a bit and i'm in china, and you get on a train and moving 300 miles per hour, a country we thought was poor, they just keep building and building. why can't the democrats have a public works pushed like they did in the '30s? washington, d.c., this city was built in the depression.

lincoln built the railroad system in the middle of a civil war. izen hower built the highway system. and not even rebuilding penn station, they're all dumps and you drafbl around the world and everything looks great. why are we the last in line to build anything anymore? what happened to construction? what about the construction trade? what happened? >> i think a lot of us were saying this at the time when we did the recovery act -- >> i don't hear it. you're mickey mousing around with the debt ceiling. it's mickey mouse. and then you have revenue neutral measures and don't spend any money. and then you talk about -- why don't you spend some money and build? there's 2% interest out there. >> i totally agree with you 1,000%. i was one of the voices with --

during the stimulus bill. they were saying this needs to be odouble. that's when we should have had the opportunity. because the train -- no pun intended -- was leaving the station. so we needed a stimulus bill. we've got to rebuild these downtowns. there's no question about it. we've got to rebuild these neighborhoods. most of the town needs rebuilding. >> i hear a voice of a kennedy. are you running? why don't you just say you're running? what have you got to lose? how many states have you been in the last month? i was in kentucky, i was in indiana -- i would go if i was invited. >> and you're laughing. why don't you say you're running instead of laughing? >> because i don't know if i am. >> okay, it seems to me -- >> do you know what you're going to be doing in three years,

chris? >> i'm going to be here, i hope i'll be. all these guys are in their 70s and nancy pelosi, all these older people. when are the younger people going to step up and say it's your turn. >> we have to -- >> would you like to be president of the united states, yes or no? >> i don't know, maybe one day. the key is for us, and i'm not trying to avoid the question but all i'm saying -- >> you keep hitting my hand. just tell me. would you like the people out there to think of you as a future president? >> i want to be a major leader in the democratic party in the country. i will leave it at at that. the problem with democrats is all we do is run for president. donor class, organization, never

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i guess you'll just continue to think about what you might do in 2020, and we can talk about the next time. >> lord, i don't even know what i'm having for dinner. >> well, the flirtation continues politically at least. welcome back to "hardball." that was senator cumella harris. while harris is dismissing the speculation on the surface, the

"the new york times" reports she is one of as many prospective democratic candidates that could lay the financial foundation of our campaign even if actually running turns out to be only a transitory thought. you know them well. joe biden former vp, elizabeth warn, and bernie sanders. sanders meantime faces criticism from his 2016 rival hillary clinton. clinton says he quote, did lasting damage to her campaign and blames him for paving the way to the crooked hillary attack. it's pretty well rounded. steve mcman is a democratic strategist. let's talk about the guy -- it's a guy in this case, joe biden. i believe he's running for president. when i right? >> well, i don't know if you're

right. but i believe you're right. >> that's important information to have. >> no, no. i think he's always running, and he's running until he isn't running. and that's a good thing to remember are joe biden. if i were his campaign consultant or speaking to him directly as vice president, i would say what he would do -- >> you're getting ahead of your skis here. i just want to know who you think is running. >> i think everybody is running. >> who would scare you if you were donald trump? >> that's interesting. because there's going to be 25 candidates. 23 of them aren't even going to matter because they're going to be so far left -- >> who could win -- >> i think biden is actually a legitimate -- i guy from scranton, pennsylvania who can talk their talk, who sounds like a really interesting guy but talk down-to-earth. >> will that matter? >> i don't think so.

i think if you're vibrant enough, i think people put that aside. >> you may be the youngest person here -- i don't know, but talk the gender issue and the age issue. >> i don't think the age issue matters. 71% of people said it was a benefit. age was a benefit. >> even in later 70s. >> yes, because people are living longer. >> is it like tony bennett after you reach a point you become -- >> people are living longer and working longer. >> here's the question, i'll be blunt now, in the 2020 election can they run two white men given the make-up of the party today? does there have to be balance, gender balance, ethnic balance of some kind?

>> i think there has to be balance. >> two white guys won't do it. >> and that's why on the democratic side you're seeing -- >> is it a deal breaker if it's two white guys? >> i think the real battle that the -- >> what do you mean? >> you're saying are they going to penalize the democrats if they only have two white men? >> they're not going to penalize them, but i think people putting the party together will anticipate the problem. >> if you go back to the last election the real problem was noncollege educated women voted overwhelmingly for donald trump in west belt states. the candidate the democratic should want is -- >> steven, where were you on that question of balance? because i think if i were joe biden in his late 70s, white

guy, i would say i would pass my ticket across the country. put her on the ticket -- that ticket balance makes sense to me. buts i heard you're around playing around with a new ticket already which involves a hispanic candidate. >> i want to bounce this off of you, john. if i were advising joe biden and i'll do it right here for free on television tonight, i'd tell him to pledge to serve only one term, which deals with the age issue. and then put pamela on the ticket, which paves the way for -- >> wouldn't that be the point to say i'm too old for two terms. i think you're right on who pick you picked as a running mate.

>> would he have won pennsylvania, wisconsin, and ohio? >> i've got to run, so i think what i hear, i want everybody to vote, no more viewing around with voting. the progressives, do they have have a veto power on the democratic side incan they say no more all white guys, that's over? we want a woman, a progressive, will the millennials say that? >> i think everybody is going towards the left in the democratic party. >> everybody is going left. >> many of the candidates are going left. i mean the party is moving left. but i do think they're going to be looking for a fresh face after what happened -- >> gender and race aren't going to matter that much once there's going to be numerous women running, numerous candidates of

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let me finish tonight with this. i don't want to talk about trump tonight or about the republicans he's taken hostage or the democrats watching what trump will do next. allow me if you will to talk about our country. what i would do if i was in a position to lead this country, a position i cannot imagine me having. i picture a country united coast to coast from the atlantic to pacific with state-of-the-art transportation, where a people of the heartland are as much a part of the action as los angeles or new york. where there's no east coast or west coast looking down from america from above. in other words, no more flyover country. no more discarded cities and towns of rusted factories and discarded main streets. i know americans who have thought like this, built like this. abe hack lincoln who built the

trance continental railroad. iz iz izenhower. chicago, den considerverb and other cities of war were con courses to a busy and exciting new america. i can see all of this in my mind. what i cannot see is the politician with the guts to stand up and say this is the america i want to build. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in. >> we've many, many things on the plate. >> a day after ending daca, president trump burns his own party. >> thank you very much nancy, chuck, appreciate it very much. >> tonight why republicans are seething after the pre