before. it's going to be a huge political and story. these are the american signature companies with global breath and this can damage them in deep ways. if people are thinking, gee, the russians are using facebook to do that to the u.s. >> central question for robert mueller, if these facebook ads were run in a targeted, precise way, how is that precision obtained and was there some collusion that drove that targeting? >> all right. we're going to stay on it. thank you. that does it for our hour. "mtp daily" starts right now. >> hi, nicolle. thank you much. if it's thursday, hurricane irma takes aim at florida. tonight, bracing for irma. >> look at the size of this storm of the it is wired than our entire state. this storm is powerful and deadly. >> we'll have the latest track and an update on the massive evacuation under way. >> regardless of which coast you live on, be prepared to

evacuate. >> plus, the president and his new friends on the democratic side of the aisle. is this a new form of the art of the deal or simply the president performing a little august pay back for congressional republicans? and what happened? hillary clinton tells her story about the 2016 election and we now have the book. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to "mtp daily" where we are following two big stories. the big political news tonight is the widening distrust between the president and republican leaders. we begin with a category 5 hurricane, irma, barreling through the northern caribbean and poised to impact south florida this weekend. turks and caicos and the southeast bahamas are getting the bulk of irma's force today. at least five people have been killed in the caribbean and the

islands of st. bart's, saint martin and barbuda were leveled by winds in excess of 185 miles per hour. puerto rico was thankfully missed by the worst parts of this storm, but 1 million people on the island were left without power when they woke up this morning. this afternoon the u.s. senate passed a bill that proeps more than $15 billion for disaster relief. including more than 7 billion to fema for hurricane harvey. the bill also contained an extension of the debt ceiling and a continuing resolution for government funding through the middle of december. the house will vote on this package before the end of the day tomorrow. now, president trump praised fema's efforts amid a bar rage of hurricanes this afternoon at the white house. >> certainly we're being hit with a lot of hurricanes. we've never had a thing like this where you get with harvey which was about as bad as it gets certainly from the stand point of a water dump and then you get hit with irma and there's one right behind irma i guess you probably know. a smaller one, but nevertheless

right behind. i don't think anybody has done anything like they've done at fema and they have done a really good job. >> looking forward, irma could be the most severe storm experience by florida in a very long time. evacuation orders are already in effect for the florida keys. that's not surprising. but also now growing parts of miami dated county, including the barrier islands, but also the county itself. miami dated evacuation zones were expanded this afternoon to include several inland areas, making it the largest evacuation attempt ever by the county. and a shortage of gas is currently a major concern. florida governor rick scott said today getting fuel to south flar is a priority. >> this is not a storm you can sit and wait through. one of our top priorities right now is fuel availability. we know there are problems with supply at gas stations and are working around the clock to get fuel to you. we know fuel is important, and we're absolutely devoting every state resource to addressing this. >> and for what it's worth, it's not just a south florida issue.

i can tell you from my own accounts that northeast part of florida also seeing gas short anlz right now. joining me now by phone is miami beach mayor phil levin. how is the evacuation going of miami beach? is the island fully evacuated or not? >> it's going very well, chuck, thank god. and you'll notice right now our roads are very kblt. it's a little bit of a ghost town. i'm very happy with that. we started telling people to leave two or three days ago, way before the mandatory evacuation. we see it coming. it's a serious storm. we don't wanted heroes. we want safety. you'll see our roads, our cause ways out of the beach are clear. there's an orderly transition. we've just got to make sure everybody understands they must leave. this is a very serious, dangerous storm. >> so miami beach hasn't had a direct hit arguably since the 60s and certainly not the developed miami beach that the

world knows today. when hurricane andrew came it went actually a little south of the beach and south beach wasn't south beach in 1992. how confident are you that in all this development that's taken place on that barrier island is going to be able to withstand a category 4 or 5 storm? >> well, chuck, i can tell you this, a lot of our art deck oh, old properties from the 1920s and they've been here for a long time. the construction that was done after hurricane andrew is to a much higher code, much tougher and of course hurricane glass so-and-so forth. supposed to be able to withstand a category 4, category 5. irrespective of that, we want our people to know you must leave miami beach. safety is a priority and no matter how strong you think your construction may be, we don't want to test it. we want to save lives here. we don't want heroes. >> what's your biggest fear as far as the destructive part? obviously it's getting people out of the way, but what is the worst case scenario you're worried about with the island

itself? is it the storm surge, is that it will just wipe out roads, make the island impassable. >> it's a combination of things. it's definitely the wind damage and of course it's the storm surge because the tooilgds surge that can come from this can be very, very scary, destructive. we hope it doesn't happen, but unfortunately we have to prepare for it and there's not much you can do. we have portable pumps, generators. we've raised certain roads. the fact of the matter is no matter what you've done, it's no match for a hurricane, let alone no match for a hurricane of this historic strength. >> now, it's my understanding you will stay on the beach, hunk erred down at mt. sinai hospital, which is really i think right at just when you go over one of the cause ways. you get to mt. sinai. how many patients stay in that hospital or have thos folks been evacuated inland? >> nope. the hospital has not been evacuated. that hospital is rated to be able to handle a very, very serious hurricane. i will be there with the command

staff, skeletal staff. but a group of us will be in mt. sinai weathering the storm. of course, we have a lot of our resources, not in miami beach. they're across the bridge able to come on and be able to clear roads as soon as this storm passes. >> good luck. we're all hoping that somehow this storm takes a much sharper right turn and gets into that atlantic ray lot clearer of you guys. stay safe. >> thank you, chuck. >> we cannot stress enough how important it is to listen to your local authorities. be safe. if you're in an evacuation zone, just trust me, take it. do it. it's getting to you after the storm. that's why they want you to evacuate. turning now to today's big political news. right now everyone is still trying to sort out the consequences of this president's sudden case of whiplash favoring democratic leadership in congress and dwieg the republican leadership. first off, he made a funding deal with chung schumer and nancy pelosi yesterday that strengthens their hands because

it's going to put a vote on the debt limit right in the middle of year-end negotiations on the budget overall. and after being criticized by some in his own party who think he got rolled in the negotiations, the president today defended his decision to side with the democrats over his own party. >> we had a great meeting yesterday with nancy pelosi and senator schumer, and it was a very bipartisan meeting. and i said, frankly, it's time to we walk out and shake hands and have a deal. >> does this signal more bipartisanship? >> i think it does. i think you're going to see a much stronger coming together. >> now, the president is arguably the only republican saying he enjoyed that meeting, because republican leaders didn't sound very happy after it. and if you want to see just how chummy the president has seemingly gotten with democrats, after softening his threat to terminate daca if congress doesn't act within six months, he tweeted out assurances at the request of nancy pelosi. quote, for all of those daca

that are concerned about your status during the six-month period, you have nothing to worry about. no action. and here is pelosi on that tweet. >> he called this morning and said thanks for calling. this is what we need -- the people really need a reassurance from you, mr. president, boom boom boom the tweet appeared. >> it seems to me he's either doing all this to help democrats or this is all pay back against republicans for what they did in august, like not getting health care done or not defending his pardoning of joe arpaio or his response to charlottesville or maybe this is his way of getting daca done. which one makes the most sense to you? we'll see and i'm sure plenty of people are trying to decipher away. congressman brat, good to see you, sir. >> hey, chuck. thank you. >> i just want to get you to react. what do you make of the president cutting a deal with

schumer and pelosi? >> it's hard to read. we obviously don't like the december 15 date. i think everybody in the whole country knows when you have a fiscal cliff and a huge budget deal and the kitchen sink being thrown in by both sides over the last ten years, nothing good comes of it in terms of fiscal responsibility. we're throwing debt on the next generation. and so we're waiting to see the end of the playbook. you listed a few possibilities. there's other possibilities in terms of what the president may want to see long-term on the wall or on other budget outcomes, et cetera. yesterday was definitely a curveball and so we're waiting to see what the negotiating strategy there is and what target we're hitting. part of it the president probably wants to clear the way for tax reform. >> yeah. >> that's the prize at the end of the year that we've got to get through. and even there we're waiting to hear from our leadership what's it going to look like. we don't even know yet for sure if the forgotten man, right,

that was bernie sanders all the way over to trump is the forgotten man going to get a tax break, are the s copper, small businesses going to get a tax rate. we don't know those fundamental pieces yet. that's the negotiating posture. most of us are looking at that one as the end goal. >> are you going to vote for this deal tomorrow, this temporary three month? it's harvey aid. it's a bunch of must pass stuff. are you going to vote for this. >> if it's attached to a clean debt ceiling increase. the only good news that came out of it is it's not a two year $2 trillion clean debt ceiling increase. republicans wouldn't have put a clean debt ceiling increase on president obama's desk, right. we're 20 trillion in debt. unfunded liabilities. i was just at a kindergarten the other day. they're going to be grade waiting in college in 2034 that's when med sar and social security go insolvent.

the fiscal responsibility is one of the main things i ran on and so what we've got to get this turned around to get it straight. so at least a shorter clean debt ceiling, but clean is no good. we need some condition although on that. maybe a gap on debt, 18% of gdp or something like that that's reasonable as gdp grows, but that does put a cap on the debt we're putting on the kids. >> i'm curious, you know, in may you said something interesting. you said this to the president. he's learning the politics up here. well, what do you think he's learned now? >> the swamp is in full control as far as we're all concerned, right. both sides -- >> so who is the swamp? is the president part of the swamp now? >> is that what you believe. >> no. he couldn't get what he wanted done. all of us republicans ran on repealing obamacare. we promised it for seven years, voted on if for 50 times and it didn't happen. >> so you don't blame him for being frustrated and say why

should i trust the republican leadership, they couldn't deliver, so i'm going to work with these guys? >> no, i wouldn't go that far, but i'm saying the swamp is winning, right, in terms of the forgotten man of the it's not about the bubble up here, that's the problem. the focus is always on the politics instead of the people. wages have been flat for 40 years and that's what brings all this racial gender talk and discord and anxiety. when wages are going up and the country is getting rich, guess what is this all that goes bye-bye. so tax cuts at the end of the year, and we've got a home run and we can get by some of this nasty politics and start loving everybody again. >> okay. that i guess is one hope. let me ask you quickly about daca. are you open to a compromise that would essentially codify daca into law via congress at the same time if it does increase border security, down payment on the wall? are you open to a deal like that? >> i'm open to a deal that deals with the immigration issues on

its fundamental level. i taught economics for 20 years. what's wrong is our labor markets are still broken. k to 12 kids don't know what a business is when they graduate. we've got a welfare state, federal benefits up to 50 grand. state and local, if you've got two kids in school, that's 26 grand. if you work under the table, that's 25 grand. that's a hundred grand per person or family, right. that's competing with the minimum wage job and you see why everybody is baling out of the labor force. so if anyone ever wants to get serious all we do is kick the can down the road up here. on foreign policy it's on north korea -- >> wait, wait. you're going all over the map here on me. i just asked a simple question. i know the college professor in you is coming out. i get it. i get it. i'm trying to get to this basic question here. >> yeah. >> are you open to giving legal status to these folks that were

protected by daca if it means also that democrats may support funding the wall? >> i don't like these little pieces as i was just saying. that's not the problem. if you want to know if people are going in good faith on immigration reform, first you've got to do e-gift verify and then you've got to take a look at chain migration, right. so the number on daca is 800,000, but everyone person can bring in their entire extended family once you reach a certain status. so it's 3 or 4 million, right. so if there's good faith on both sides, everybody has been talking about securing the border forever and it never happens. 8 billion people would love to come here. they're all children of god. i love all of them, right. but 8 billion people, it ain't going to work. and this idea that it's bad for the economy, et cetera, just picture 8 billion people coming. you've got the world's biggest economy. congratulations. are you any better off? no. it's pretty simple. >> we're talking about 800,000.

why would you send these folks. >> no, no, no, you're not. because the daca problem is the immigration problem. and once you put up a green light, it's a green light. once you legalize and say, hey, once you make it in here the american people are generous, always have been. but once you put up that green light, whoom, right, the surges come every time. it's as predictable as mathematics. that's the problem. you've got to solve it at its fundamental core level. >> before i let you go i've got to ask you a little water cooler politics here. is there really discontent about speaker ryan among the conservative ranks in the house? >> everybody likes speaker ryan. it's just we've got to aim at a target and hit it, right. and so right now it feels like schumer and pelosi are playing pardon ball. paul to his credit is always a nice guy and a gentleman to everybody, right. but we need to lead and like this vote coming up, it's going to be won with a majority of

democratic votes and 100 to 150 republicans are going to vote against the big bill tomorrow. >> why is it the speaker's fault? it's the president that took the side of the democrats here that sort of put the speaker in a box. >> i'm saying we all in the conference, we all when it comes to these debt ceiling increases, the republican brand if it's about anything, it's about fiscal responsibility, right. today pelosi and senator schumer are talking about getting rid of the debt ceiling altogether. that gives you a little hint where the democrats might be on fiscal responsibility, right, if you're catching that. it's like, okay, let's -- if we're the fiscal responsibility party, we've got to run on it and execute on it. if health care is blowing up through the roof, we've got to bring the cost down and it may be like eat your span itch, right. that's the message we've got. >> is paul ryan's job safe as speaker in your opinion? >> yeah. no one is talking about that right now at all, right. taxes is it. if we get taxes through, everyone is going to be happy again and america is great again

and everyone will be happy. >> all right. congressman brt. i should say professor bratt. i know that at times you do enjoy being back in the classroom. >> yep. i do. >> thank for coming on and sharing your views. >> you bet. anytime. >> coming up, donald trump jr. gets questioned on capitol hill about that much talked about meeting with russians at trump tower. ...has grown into an enterprise. that's why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. now, i'm earning unlimited 2% cash back on every purchase i make. everything. which adds up to thousands of dollars back every year... ...and helps keep my passion growing... ...in every direction. what's in your wallet? you don't let anything lkeep you sidelined. come on! that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein, and 26 vitamins and minerals...

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information about hillary clinton. in his prepared statement that was objected by nbc news he said he took that meeting because, quote, to the extent they had information concerning the fitness, character or kwaul fiktsz of a presidential candidate i believed that i should at least hear them out. he maintained that nothing came of that meeting and that he did not collude with any foreign government and doesn't know anyone who did. still, after the interview some democrats wanted to hear more. >> he needs to come before the judiciary committee, in public, under oath and answer many of these same questions because today he raised questions as well as answering. in fact, raised more questions perhaps than he answered. >> meanwhile, california's democratic senator kamala harris spoke to my colleague about that the senate intelligence committee could eventually seek testimony from the president himself. >> is the testimony or potential hearing with the president, donald trump off the table for this investigation?

>> no. >> so it's possible that the senate could seek his testimony? >> i think it's possible, yes. >> under what conditions? >> we'll see where the facts lead us. >> you can catch more of that interview tonight at 6 with ari. we'll be right back. (upbeat dance music)

(bell ringing) welcome back to "mtp daily." let's bring in our panel. welcome all. matthew, i'm going to let you get the first word here because you have written that were sort of four parties. and boy, did that -- you have been writing this multiple times and i think it came to fruition this week. we're seeing it. there's a trump party, there's a conventional republican party still, they are the ones that voted no on the senate bill. there is the democratic party here in washington, and then there's the bernie party. >> that's right. and what you saw with trump's deal is the separation between the party of trump and the grand old party. you know, since he came into

office, donald trump has really been following instructions from the congressional republicans. we're going to do one thing on obamacare. we have to fit the bill to the reconciliation rule. we're going to come up with this border adjustment tax. let us do the tax bill. and trump looks at it and he seize no legislative accomplishments on his signature issues. so i think finally he had enough. and he also probably wanted to twist are the knife on senate leader mitch mcconnell as well. >> kimberly, after my interview with congressman bratt, that's not somebody that he can do a deal with on daca if he's got to find the middle ground. >> right. >> so maybe if you're dealing with the freedom caucus you're like well, fine, i'm going to try the other guys. >> that's absolutely right. and we know that president trump likes to get wins somewhere and even if he can get a short term win to see i made this bipartisan deal, we're moving forward, we're going to address daca. look, i'm on the phone with chuck and nancy. it looks like ease getting something done even if he risks

alienating republicans. but so far we know that he doesn't really care about alienating republicans. i think we should be a little careful to go too far on this and think that this is some shift. i mean, tomorrow he can change his mind and go back to -- >> steve, i feel like the unintended consequence for him is going to be who will ever have his back? >> right. >> you know, that's been the chief complaint between the are republicans and him. they basically say this guy never has our back. and from the president's point of view he thinks you guys never have my back. you didn't do anything on russia, anything on this. so why should i have your back? but it's not like democrats had a lot of room to work with him. >> democrats don't have very much room to work with him. i think what the president is trying to do as was just point out is he's trying to take some wins. i'm surprised he didn't start doing this sooner. as matt has pointed out the bernie party wants some things on infrastructure, wants some things that trump might be able to support. and if he starts doing a few

more of those deals, i think you might find his favorable ratings come up a little bit. right now he doesn't look like a strong bet for re-election. he's got to do something. so he's got to try something different. >> it was reported today in his phone calls with leaders pelosi and schumer, the president was extremely happy about the press coverage that he received. >> there he goes. >> now, if i were a conservative republican in congress, that would be what would worry me, because the president does care about press coverage, and if he sees that all of a sudden the media attitude towards his presidency changes as he starts moving left, then it might not just be kind of a tactical deal with democrats. it may actually be the beginning of an ideological separation from his own base. >> bill clinton was pretty successful triangulating. donald trump may be a slow learn, but he's learning. and if this is an indicator of the future, i would be a little concerned if i were the republican leadership. >> it's been interesting to me

to see trump world try to spin this, because they didn't see it coming, okay, their own people, the treasury secretary didn't know it was coming. mark short. but like the 2020 hindsight spin has been just what steve said, you know what? yes, he wants to learn from the clinton playbook a little bit. >> yeah. and honestly, we really don't know. i'm not sure that there's that much strategy behind. >> much less than meets the idea. >> i think he likes to put together short term deals if he can't get a long-term deal. he had a brutal week after the daca decision and he's been doing everything he could to sort of walk that back and sort of correct it and get ahead of the news psychel as you talked about, which is very important to him. i still am not holding my breath that he won't completely reverse himself next week and he'll be back to making fun of chuck schumer on twitter. >> republicans who are inside the white house who held him in line, reince priebus, steve bannon, to some extent, you know, i guess there are others, but they're gone. i mean, and now he's surrounded by the democrats.

i mean, frankly. >> he's not surrounded -- in this case kelly is not an i'd log at all. i think people forget this. military guys have -- they really are sort of oddly neutral. >> we're looking at this deal through the lens of the presidency. we also have to look at it through the lens of republican majority in congress which has shown itself to be pretty incompetent in putting together votes on many things where there's disagreement within the party, such as whether you raise the debt ceiling or not. i'm wondering, say the president had gone along with paul ryan's plan and mitch mcconnell -- >> how many democrats were they going to need? >> exactly. could they have even got the votes for that. so we do have to think about in many ways the republican coalition on capitol hill is very unstable and the president, i think, probably just said enough of it. >> what did you make of his comments about speaker ryan? >> i think it's very interesting. there was a rumor yesterday, i'm sure you're aware of, you reported it that they were looking at other options.

you can't -- >> speaker ryan has learned those rumblings are daily. >> what i think is interesting is, you know, the has either rule has really contempt the republicans in congress from being able to move things and pass things without democratic support. every big thing that's happened in the last five or ten years has happened with democratic votes. and i think what the president is seeing is that's the way to make things happen. if he grabs a moderate republicans and a bunch of democrats, he can actually do some things. >> i still go back to kimberly, i just it's clear to me this is a bit of a pay back in august. >> certainly. >> which means there's going to be retribution the other way. >> absolutely. i think we will definitely see that. and the idea that he is getting more things done and is being pushed to work with democrats, it makes you wonder why they started with the obamacare repeal and replacement any way. >> and by the way, i'm glad you brought that up because that's what matthew was pointing out. trump is still ticked to this day that he was forced on this schedule of health care first, isn't he? >> not only the schedule but the

mechanism with which you approach legislation. we don't know what the republican tax plan is. >> he didn't know. >> congress has been in its first session for eight months. what is the republican tax plan? why is the committee not writing it? it's not about one leader. it's not about one speaker. it's about the institution of congress itself is proving to be ungovernable. mainly because of i think reforms like the has either rule, like the ban on earmarks, like the committee term limits or committee charms that republicans themselves have imposed. they've made the institution ungovernable. that needs to change if they want to have a governing majority. >> not a bad word to pause on there. it sounds like you've got your column already being written this your head there. stay with us. still ahead, president trump keeps all options on the table on north korea. but does he have any good ones to choose from? david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪

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military action would certainly be an option. is it inevitable? nothing is inevitable. it will be great if something else could be worked out. hopefully we're not going to have to use it on north korea. if we do use it on north korea, it will be a very sad day for north korea. >> is it acceptable for you as president for north korea to be nuclear iced but contained and deterred? >> is that a strategy -- >> i'm not negotiating with you. maybe we'll have a chance to negotiate with somebody else, but i don't put my negotiations on the table. >> welcome back. that was president trump earlier today at a joint news conference with emir of kuwait with north korea conducting more frequent and more aggressive nuclear tests in recent weeks, the president is keeping all options on the table. what happens when all options on the table are bad options?

senator rouns, welcome back, sir. >> thank you. the appreciate the opportunity to visit. >> let me get you to try to answer the question that the president didn't want to answer, the second part of the major garrett's question there which had to do with this idea of are we going to get to a point where a contained north korea that has nuclear weapons is something we have to learn to live with if they sort of agree to a certain set of terms? is that about the best outcome we can hope for at this point? >> it's a good question. i don't have the answer to that, and i don't think that at this stage of the game we're prepared to make that sort of an agreement. i do believe that right now diplomacy is the direction that we're going to do our best to get to. we most certainly don't want to have to use military force, but it most certainly is on the table.

but as a last resort. there's a real interest in trying to get north korea to understand that it is not our position that they should be allowed to have nuclear weapons. if that's the case, then why can't any other nation that currently is being restricted from having nuclear weapons, why can't they look at this and say if north korea can do it, we can do it too. then we find ourselves in that type of a position time and time again. and believe me, there are other countries out there that are watching to see how we respond to this particular attempt by north korea to push us as far as they can. diplomacy is still the right direction to go and unfortunately, if diplomacy fails, military action may very well be the next step. >> let me ask you about that action. yesterday i spoke with former defense secretary leon pan et at that and he basically walked right up to the line, and he wasn't calling for a -- wasn't saying specifically it's time for the u.s. military to show

the north koreans we can take down their missiles, but he also said we've got covert and overt ways to send a message, and we need to start thinking about those. are you ready to see the u.s. military do something that at least stops these tests, that sends that message that says, you want to launch a missile, we're going to show you how easily we can shoot them down? >> the administration has done a very good job of sharing with us their capabilities and their intent. and i can tell you that we do have the capabilities and that it would be a very sad day for north korea if we have to show our capabilities to them and the rest of the world. the desire here is diplomacy, but nonetheless, all options, and that's been very clear, all options absolutely are on the table. we don't want to have to go that far and remember that there are very few military actions that

take place that don't then require the north koreans, if they are capable, to respond in a similar or even greater fashion. and our concern is we have allies in the area. we don't want to create a situation in which the allies are at risk, but we've not only got 27,000 u.s. servicemen we've got 250,000 or better americans there in seoul. we've got 26 million souls there are there in seoul, individuals who are at risk and you've got more than 10,000 pieces of artillery pointing at them. we don't want to get to that stage, but nonetheless, this is the case where new york has to understand the seriousness of their activity right now and they have to change course. >> one of your senate dianne feinstein would like to see direct talks between rex tillerson and somebody in the north korean regime. tep end of the day we've got to

know what they want. we don't know what they fully want out of all of this. and that has been part of the opaqueness in this. >> i think senator feinstein does a good job of laying out what our goals may very well be, but we can't simply negotiate to negotiate. that it is not on the table. and if they want to come to the table, they know that that is still an option at this time. we want diplomacy to be the avenue. we don't want to put our american lives at risk, but it would be a bad, bad thing for this world if it comes down to the point where we have to use our military force. it is truly overwhelming in its capabilities. there is no question as to the eventually outcome, but there would be loss of life on both sides. >> i've got to ask you about the other business today that you participated in. i know you voted yes on the aid bill that the president agreed with congressional democratic

leaders. many republican leaders weren't happy with it. nearly half of the republican conference, not quite half, but nearly half of it voted no. why did you vote yes? >> well, i believe that, first of all, i think it's very important in an emergency situation that we set aside our participate differences and we support the need to take care of the problems at hand. and we've got major emergency needs. as a former governor i recognize that when you talk about loss of life and you talk about preparing to help people so there is not loss of life, that's very, very critical. second of all, i do believe that our leadership was involved, and they maybe didn't get everything we wanted, but we did get an extension on the debt kreeg limit so that will we could provide that assistance. and then we also got a short-term cr, a continuing resolution. i liked the idea of a short-term cr. i could not support a long-term cr because we need the new appropriations bills in place with additional resources for our military. and remember, that's half of the spending that we actually vote on, because we only vote on

defense and snaun defense discretionary. that's only about 28% of the entire budget any way. and that has got to be upped or we've got serious consequences for our military. so i can do a short term. i accept that from the president and i know that he wanted to get a deal done and show a unified effort on the part of congress to actually get some funding for the emergencies that we do have occurring in the southern part of the united states. i get it and i think most of my colleagues do as well. >> right. fair enough. i'll leave it there. very quickly, are you for or against this idea of eliminating the debt ceiling vote altogether, that it's sort of an artificial thing that was created by congress and it's something that could be taken away? where are you on this? >> it truly is artificial. we've already voted top spend that money. it's a matter of whether or not we can agree to pay our bills or not. we should be paying our bills. but they did it because they felt a frustration because the system itself for the appropriations process in congress is absolutely broken. and until such time as we

actually start to vote on the entire budget and not just 28% of it, you're still going to have a lot of people that this is their way to express that frustration and to have some sort of attempt to actually limit the ongoing expenditures of government. >> we can't stop ourselves from drinking, so we'll add an additional any way. i hear you. >> pretty bad situation. and nonetheless, it is fixable, but it's going to take some people on a bipartisan basis to get it there. >> tharngs very much. >> thank you. >> hillary clinton's take on what happened during the 2016 election. her thoughts on the fbi director, the media and why she sometimes felt like a character out of the tv series homeland. you don't let anything lkeep you sidelined. come on! that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein, and 26 vitamins and minerals...

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all right. hillary clinton book doesn't come out till next week. we found some bookstore that would sell it to us. we got a few interesting excerpts. one on comey, one on her take with the media and one on the russia probe. i felt i'd been shivved by then fbi director jim comey. three times. my first instinct that comey badly overstepped his bounds. in the end we decided it would be better to let it go. looking back, that was a mistake. kimberly, the only person that may hate jim comey more than donald trump is hillary clinton. >> right. this is not a surprise at all. the democrats i spoke to fall in two lines. they are strictly in hillary clinton's corner and right online with everything she says. the others are saying unless you're going to help the democrats move forward, we're tired ed of hearing you blame

comey, russia and the fake news. it would be great to hear if you talked about what you could have done better. comey didn't keep you from going to wisconsin. >> let me go do excerpt two. matthew, respond to this one. the times played an outside role in shaping the coverage of my e-mails throughout the election. the paper's approach felt ski schizophren schizophrenic. look, her anger at the times always -- it was throughout the campaign. trust me, i think the clinton campaign hates the times more than you guys do. >> she's angry at everybody. the new york times, bernie, obama. everyone is responsible except for hillary clinton. this is her chance to speak her mind. to tell people what she's really thinking. how many times has hillary clinton introduced herself to the american public in almost 30 years in the national spotlight.

they know who hillary clinton is. she wasn't elected president. how this is going to help her image or recover her loss ground, she's now in some polls less popular than president trump. >> at times i felt like carrie mathison on the tv show homeland. a little bit of self-reflection there. >> i'm sure, as you look deeper into the book there's going to be a little self-reflection. there's going to be some honesty, candor and lashing out. i don't know if you would expect anything different from that from someone who went through

this experience. >> when she speaks out, people say why are you speaking out? when she doesn't, why aren't you speaking out. >> who is saying that? >> over the years when it came to democratic party relationship with hillary clinton. >> this was a pretty big historical event. it's not quite irma. she lost a campaign nobody thought she could. there are a lot of people are saying what do you think happened? that's a perfectly legitimate question to ask. >> do you think the way this is laid out, how many democrats running in 2018 will invite her to campaign? >> i think not a lot. that's the problem. obama speaks out, he says something. he's talking about an issue. she speaks out, she's usually talking about herself and who wronged her. >> thanks very much. we'll be right back.

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right now. good evening. good evening. thank you very much. a busy day here in washington. we have breaking news. the president's son making history but not in a good way. today donald trump junior was the first child of a president in the modern era to speak to congressional investigators. five hours of questioning about his june 2016 trump tower meeting. he was planning to talk to a lawyer if he got anything good from it. trump junior changing some parts of his story. a top democrat on the senate intel committee today was explaining why trump junior had to be truthful. >> the truth of the matter is whether you're sworn or not, if you lie to congress that's a crime. >> he said he was overwork and inexperienced when he took this now infamous meeting. that's a defense jared kushner also used. there are two sides to every