and spending $500 million on pumps and drainage and trying to elevate the city. what level do you do that? do you do it to two feet, one feet? are you engineering for? becomes a very expensive process if you have to keep rebuilding and rebuilding. >> nature as penny said. thank you both for joining us tonight. >> thank you. all right. that is "all in" for this evening. t"the rachel maddow show" start right now. >> thank you. thanks at home for joining us. today is the 16th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, which cast a long shadow every year over anything else that happens on this date in the news. tonight, as i speak, the site of the twin towers in new york city. see on the right side of the screen. it's lit with the tribute in

light. twin towers of light shoot four miles up into the sky. u.n. security counsel passed sanctions on north korea. the north korea sanctions are way less than what the u.s. government had initially proposed but they did pass historic historically and russia, for russia and take that personally. the russian state media outlet is being investigated by the fbi. according to the reporting, the fbi is talking with former employees of sputnik that reportedly interested in whether or not sputnik is more of a news outlet and russian government

propaganda network and if they are that, they need to register as foreign agents or going to get kicked out of this country. mike's scoop today at yahoo, it interesting. for a long time partnered at "newsweek magazine." and particularly on national security issues. now they have both gone their separate ways. mike has gone to routers but it's interesting. they are both still great investigative reporters and had scoops today. that story invested by the fbi while mark had this inkretrigui to try to turn theish s isrussi investigation into an obama

administration scandal. trump transition official and california may have bit off more than he could chew and the russia thing was that officials read intelligence intercepts and unmasked the names of campaign figures interacting with russians. those conversations between trump campaign figures and russians were intercepted. those were read by obama administration officials. that's the scandal, the fact they got the names of the americans involved in the conversations. according to the report today, those intelligence intercepts which devin knnunes tried to ma a big deal of, those intercepts don't actually show any wrongdoing by obama administration officials but might show trump folks violating the logan act by trying to undermine american foreign

policy as private citizens. and they may show something worse than that, quote, the reports are relevant to the investigation robert mueller. congratulations. the closest trump ally in the house of representatives. you, sir, have succeeded in bringing investigator's attention to intelligence intercepts made during the campaign that will apparently help the muller investigation into whether or not the trump campaign colluded with russia. that story broke today. routers breaking that story. last night, the head of the foreign affairs committee in the russian parliament went on a russian tv show and bragged about how u.s. intelligence agencies missed out on russia electing the american president last year. was this weird thing. he said in trying to achieve this goal, the u.s. over shot their intelligence services slept through russia electing

the u.s. president. what kind of intelligence service is that? the host had this funny reaction after that guy said it. the host stamped his foot and clapped his hands together and looked away. last night the russian headed the foreign affairs committee admitting that russia elected the u.s. president. last night on american tv, former trump campaign chairman and senior white house strategists until recently steve bannon said donald trump firing fbi director james comey was the biggest mistake in modern political history. because it led to the appointment of the special counsel robert mueller and expressed concern over the muller investigation. the breath of the muller investigation led to a new round of senior white house personnel and former senior white house personnel getting their own lawyers to help them deal with muller's inquiry and signalled there are a half dozen or more

white house officials on his list of people to interview. we'll have more on what that means coming up tonight including this weird development we learned of. nbc news confirmed where there are two white house officials who may very well have conflicting interest in this investigation, but the two of them have nevertheless hired the same lawyer. the same law firm which would be trouble enough but two different white house officials have hired the same lawyer to represent them in this investigation. which may end up being very awkward. so again, we've got more on that coming up. we'll try to get to the bottom of that later this hour with somebody in a good position to know what is going on. there is a lot going on in the news right now. of course, eyes on the southeast united states tonight where flooding and high winds torn their way across florida. this is is charleston today.

and this is the florida keys where irma first made landfall in florida leaving wide spread damage. tonight, the u.s. navy is announcing they are sending the u.s.s. abraham lincoln and two other ships to the keys to help with evacuation efforts. obviously, there was a mass evacuation, a mass exodus from the keys ahead of the storm. plenty of warning the storm was coming and would hit the keys hard. still, there may be as many as 10,000 people who need evacuation from the keys now. now that the storm has left. florida's impact is major. we'll be talking tonight about where got it the worst and what the challenges will be for florida coming back and what the prospects are for the keys if in fact 10,000 people need to be got out of there not under their own power. in addition to that, look at the car ribb

caribbean. in cuba there is a seawall. it is very well used and loved. it been there for a century. it's iconic in havana in a million different ways. that's one of the places you can see how hurricane irma left its mark. waves topping -- that same scene, you don't even ski the seawall there. waves topping 20 feet spilled over and disappeared that seawall in havana this weekend, sent sea water gushing into downtown havana. more than 2 million people live in havana but hurricane irma basically turned that city into a salt water pond. authorities are saying it could take days before the water starts to make its way out of the streets of havana. this was the strongest hurricane to hit cuba since the 1930s. at least 10 people have died there already. havana has been in the dark since saturday. with cars wedged inside buildings and trees ripped out of the ground and people just making due with what they can

get ahold of, with whatever streets. this is one of cuba's airports. just totally unrecognizable. the whole building looks like it's been put through a shredder. florida and south carolina is having a lot of flooding. in the caribbean where the strong was a wrecking ball, there are some places from which we're just starting to get the first reports, the first clear picture of what happened. in st. martin, the majority of that island appears to have just been bloodied. most of the homes, most of the buildings have been completely destroyed in st. martin. at least ten people have been killed. we don't know if we expect that number to rise, but obviously, people are praying it doesn't. this was the air traffic control tower at st. martin's airport. celebrating 70 years of

spectacular landings. the same tower looks like this. the storm just lopped off the entire top of the tower. the only thing recognizable is the staircase on the side. this say library on st. martin before the storm hit. this is the same library now. you can see the stacks of books there. walls caving in. st. martin's newspaper, "the daily harold" reports some of the library made it. the media lab had all the computers ripped off after the storm by looters. again, this is in st. martin. they scrambled to find food and water and reports of people fighting for food and resources at night. st. martin despite this incredible devastation are already starting to pick themselves up. big yellow bulldozers are starting to pop up to clear debris. we found shots of this small grocery store that opened doors for the first time late

yesterday. first time since the rain stopped there. half of st. martin belongs to the netherlands, the other half is france. there is literally a line drawn. that means the huge problem of how to fix st. martin is not st. martin's problem alone, it's up to the neither lands and france to send money and aid and supplies and get st. martin back on its feet. the united states has the same responsibility for the u.s. virgin islands. the u.s. bought the virgin islands. the united states bought the virgin islands from denmark in 1917. we made $25 million for the virgin islands. talk about a bargain. the u.s. virgin islands are part of a chunk of the islands called the virgin islands group. s some belong to the u.k. we have st. croix, st. john, and st. thomas and 50 small ones, most of which are too tiny to show up on a map.

all together, if you e mask the land, you get land area twice the size of washington d.c. they are known for being absolutely gorgeous. known for white pristine beaches, old world castles and architecture. their incredible culture and incredible art and museums and incredible food, really rich storied culture and right now, the u.s. virgin islands are really, really hurting. two of those three big islands, st. john and st. thomas got destroyed. st. thomas has one hospital and that hospital has been destroyed. one resident in st. thomas told npr the hospital suffered a catastrophic failure. patients had to be evacuated to hospitals in puerto rico and st. croix. large parts of the virgin islands have no running water,

no power, no cell service. the lack of water can be a humanitarian crisis when it goes on for more than a couple days. you can get a sense seeing the telephone poles knocked down because the communications were knocked out, no phone, no cell service, no power, no water. because of that, it's hard to get information out. it's hard to know which parts of the islands are hit the worst. we're hearing that st. croix has been largely spared. part of the blessing of that is that st. croix has been able to be turned into staging area for people to evacuate to, for people to seek shelter. as we report started to trickle out of st. john, in particular it started to become clear things were just as bad in st. thomas, if not worse. this is one hotel in st. john before hurricane irma. this is that same hotel now. gives you a sense of the damage they are dealing with. people have been posting these survivor lists adding their names, hoping their family and

loved ones will see it and people have a way to know their loved ones are still alive. at least four people died in the virgin i lands. that number could rise. officials are telling residents it could be months before power is restored and that st. john and st. thomas are not safe at this point. now that this hurricane devastated big parts of the u.s. virgin islands, it is america's problem now. it's up to us as a country to fix it. the u.s. is not there by mistake. the u.s. virgin islands doesn't have its own president. the people this live there are u.s. citizens subject to u.s. law and part of the united states. just like any other state or territory that makes up this country. which means even though we have been slow to get reports out of the u.s. virgin islands, now that we're getting them, we're recognizing what we need to do. this is our american humanitarian crisis. our american citizens without food and water and power and

shelter tonight. governor of the u.s. virgin islands is kenneth map. he told his citizens this weekend to brace for a long road to recovery ahead, to manage expectations, he told them quote, this is a horrific disaster. there will be no rest russians or solutions in days or weeks. joining us is kenneth map, the governor of the u.s. virgin islands. thank you for joining us tonight. it's been a challenging time. >> thank you, rachel, for giving that wonderful description of the beautiful virgin islands and the wonderful people of the virgin islands. i was heartened to hear that and happy to report to you that mobilization of federal supplies and support has been great. we've given out close to 100,000 liters of water and 100,000 mres to citizens in st. thomas and st. john. i personally visited st. john

yesterday with regional administrator of fema and visited the shelters and walked into the cities and town of cruise bay and happy to see some restaurants opened and were just cooking and serving the meals free and allowing people to just sit inside or eat outside. the school where the shelter was, the school lunch workers showed up and started cooking for folks in the shelter and giving them hot meals and so more deployment of resources, the marines landed today in st. thomas that's going to be provisioned in st. john as a priority to deal with debris removal. we have st. john got the worst of it as you said. it was more into the eye wall than st. thomas, a knot. so devastation when i did the flyover, the devastation is horrific. homes exploded. fell off the hillside.

just bad. but another -- a lot of properties verecently built seed to survive and what is good, this is day five from this cat five event in the last three days, we have still retained only four deaths thus far. the u.s. marines urban and search and rescue team has also been deployed and going through the neighborhoods and debris and making sure that there are not folks that are trapped. one interesting element for us is we've not seen our showing up in the emergency rooms or the hospitals are people with traumas, broken limbs, cuts, head trama or anything like that. we really haven't seen much of that so that means that folks really were able to batten down even while their homes were being destroyed. we have d mat teams from the u.s. department of health and

human services. 35 came in to assist the folks outside of the snider hospital in st. thomas and work on a temporary structure in the rear of that facility. we landed a d mat team of 16 people to work with the facility. we evacuated all the of the patients in the hospital. we've been able to take the community of folks who required dialysis treatment and make sure they have got to puerto rico and st. croix to get their dialysis services. so we are really concentrating on security. we're concentrating on shelter, food and nutrition, debris removal and restoration of the power system. st. thomas is beginning see in the city areas some restoration of power. we're getting some streetlights on. some of the neighbors have been

able to power up the shelters. the pumps because of the power restoration in the areas have gotten the water pumps working and so we've been able to restore water to the large tanks in some of the areas that can gravity feed down to some of the homes so people have access to that. but it going to be a very, very, very slow process. >> governor -- on that -- >> sure. >> on the infrastructure, are you worried there is critical infrastructure that sustained long-term damage? obviously, when we hear about people not having access to running water, i'm happy to hear about the dis baugs tribution os of water but obviously, the water system in particular and electrical system are something the islands can't be without for too long. how substantial is the damage? >> what we do as a practice when storms are coming, we fill water

tanks. by filling them, they become solid so the winds can't breach the tanks and break them apart. obviously, when the power goes, that water becomes -- rapidly used fed off the hills and dissipates and the water plant is up and running so now beginning to replenish those plants and folks, you know, they don't need electricity to get water off the pipes so as we funnel pressure into the distribution lines on the ground, then folks are getting access to warm water. we even got water into the tanks in st. john because they are fed on the sea to st. thomas, i mean, to st. john and being able to fill up the tanks there. those persons connected to water will get them and remember in the virgin islands, we use what you would use in the united states as basements.

so when it rains you capture water in the system and feed from that and we advice folks to disconnect the spouting to their systems when the storms come so that the sea blast and the leaves and everything that's blowing around don't contaminate that water and then they have that supply of water in their homes they can access by opening the hatch and getting the water out of there. >> kenneth mapp, you have an incredible road ahead of you. thank you. >> i want to thank, if i can quickly, i want to thank the president because twice he's expected to be in the virgin islands in the next six, seven days and awesome and mobile wising more equipment and provisions for the citizens. thank you for that wonderful introduction and description. >> happy to hear. >> good luck to you.

major island and st. thomas and st. croix. and st. thomas and st. john from the governor and visual aerial images absolutely stunning in terms of what they are dealing with. u.s. virgin islands, u.s. that's us. lots of news tonight. stay with us. rodney. bowling. classic. can i help you? it's me. jamie. i'm not good with names. celeste! i trained you. we share a locker. -moose man! -yo. he gets two name your price tools. he gets two? i literally coined the phrase, "we give you coverage options based on your budget." -that's me. -jamie! -yeah. -you're back from italy. [ both smooch ] ciao bella. your bbut as you get older,ing. it naturally begins to change,

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this satellite image that gives you a sense how physically large this storm is. as of monday afternoon, this afternoon, irma stretched from florida up to the great lakes. millions of floridians evacuated in the days before irma hit, one of the biggest, if not the biggest evacuation in u.s. history. tons of people understandably are eager to get back home. whether or not you can get home depends on where you are, though, jacksonville, florida is virtually paralyzed by the worst floods there in 100 years. dozens of people had to be rescued. the majyor is calling people to hang a white flag if they need help. after the florida keys took a direct hit from the storm at the strongest. 10,000 people that rode out the storm in the keys might now need to be evacuated now that the storm is over. there is real concern about the stretch of islands west of key

largo. rescuers are having trouble reaching people. the main airport is closedment getting there by boat is dangerous and parts of that road connecting the keys to the mainland, parts of u.s. highway 1 are very much under water. so how will they get those folks out of there? more than 6 million people in florida have no power. it could take weeks, weeks before power is fully restored and there continue to be gas shortages. the governor reinstated police escorts for fuel tankers to try to alleviate the problem. these are problems that not only kis rig exist right now, they will complicate each other. massive flooding, blocked roads and in some cases no gas. for a lot of people in florida tonight, there is still relief that the storm wasn't as bad as it might have been but real threat and anxiety and risk about what it's left in its wake. joining me is the voice of millions of floridians listening

to during hurricane andrew in 1992 when he was a meteorologist in miami. mr. norcross, thank you for being here. i know you had no sleep. >> thank you, rachel. glad to be here. >> can you help us understand looking at this from a national perspective, what's the most important thing to understand about florida and the impact there and which parts of the state will have the longest and most difficult recovery? >> you made the point, rachel, the big point to notationly is the vastness of this. we remember hurricane andrew and the total destruction. that was in maybe a couple hundred square miles. this is damage spread over maybe 4,000 square miles and millions of people without power and as you said, without spotty cell phone service and millions evacuated and the issue is that having been through this before, it's not the first day. people can kind of camp out the

first day and maybe the second day but you get to the third day and still don't have power running out of supplies and what do you do and people get testy and it gets really difficult. so it's the -- i don't know how they administer this disaster. it is such a monumental thing in size. we thought houston was big. this is many, many, many times the scale of the houston disaster because it's almost the entire state of florida. >> what about the keys? obviously, we had eyes on the keys worried those islands which are fragile in the best of times would take a direct hit from the storm at its strongest. what is the impact in the keys and when they talk about needing to evacuate people now after the storm, how should we understand that both in terms of why that is necessary and how big a challenge that is? >> parts of the keys are devastated. north of key west for the host part. key west is mostly okay. north of there where the ocean

came over the keys and took out the power and the water and the sewage. so the problem here is when you have people if there really are 10,000 people down there, which is just unbelievable, hopefully most of them are in key west but spread out on the island chain more than 100 miles. they don't have any means to live there is the problem. so you can't move around because this -- the roads are blocked. that's the problem. i understand that they are trying to send boats in there and figure out how to get them out once again because every day that goes by it gets that much worse. >> and brian, in terms of how long people are in sustainable situations when you look at the wide infrastructure systems and electricity and sewage systems not a lot of people are talking about. when you got this much damage

over this wide an area what should we expect in getting the subpoenas back up? >> flying and this week and probably those millions will get and a who will the evwhole neig. after hurricane andrew, it was three months before they got the power back. they had a tremendous resource and all the neighborhoods and power outages. if it was just aamiami to georg

and jacksonville and truth the state. it going to be a combination getting the last few people. if it happens in two weeks, that would be a miracle, in the weeks to get the power back on. >> brian norcross. you're really, really good at explaining this stuff. thank you for making time to talk to us tonight. appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks, appreciate it. much more to come including news from inside the white house. senior white house officials making a decision that i plum can make absolutely no sense of and somebody who may be able to explain it. stay with us. rip. remember nashville? kimchi bbq. kimchi bbq. amazing honky tonk?? i can't believe you got us tickets. i did. i didn't pay for anything. you never do. send me what i owe. i've got it. i mean, you did find money to buy those boots. are you serious? is that why you don't like them? those boots could make a unicorn cry. yeah, tears of joy. the bank of america mobile banking app.

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it's so sad when lawyers start having lawyers. donald trump's personal attorney got his own attorney for the russia investigation. then donald trump's attorney general jeff sessions hired his own attorney for the russia investigation. now the white house counsel which is the white house's top lawyer, he has also retained his own personal lawyer for the russia investigation. a lot of lawyers having lawyers. we learned friday that don mcgann is one of six russia wants to question and now sure as a bruce follise follows a ba

we have news don had to get his own lawyer. he's hired a high-powered washington lawyer to represent him on the russia issue. and so have two other people on robert mueller's reported interview list. reince priebus and communications director hope hicks. don, hope hicks have hired their own expensive washington lawyers now on russia. and you know, when the special counsel wants to enter you you, you probably want to get a lawyer no matter what if you expect a friendly chat about the rosoto recipe, you probably still want legal advice if you talk to the special counsel no matter what. what is the special counsel going to be talking about? we're not sure but based on reporting from "the washington post." the special counsel appears to be interested in the crafting of the false statement about the trump tower meeting that involved donald trump junior, paul manmanafort. that was falsely explained by

the white house as being just about adoptions. the special counsel also appears to be interested in the firing of fbi director james comey which was also apparently falsely explained by the white house as being the product of a justice department internal process while even the president admits that isn't why he fired james comey. special counsel appears to be interested in the handling of former national security advisor mike flynn who resigned after having lied with contacts with russian officials and whose contacts were falsely explained by the white house at the time. so there is a lot of false statements by people involved in white house operations and the president himself around various instances that happened since the president has been in office. all six of the staffers robert mueller plans to interview were involved with concocting false narratives to cover up contacts

with russians. i have a question as to whether or not that's a criminal matter. right? it not a crime to lie. but is it a crime to concoct a false narrative to cover up something you know to be different? is the special counsel interviewing these people just as witnesses. are these people on the hook for something? are they getting good lawyers? this is an answerable question. don mcgahn and reince priebus, former chief of staff, they have both hired the same lawyer for the russia investigation. now, i mean, maybe they are just going in together to cut the cost? [ laughter ] >> i don't think it works that way. that is strange. isn't it possible don mcgahn as

a white house official and reince prebias, could they have conflicting interest. one is gone from the white house. the other one is there. they may have been in the room for the same decisions but could have interest there that die verge or be called upon as corroborating witnesses for each other's story. for them to not have the same law firm but the exact same lawyer, that seems strange. can they do that? also, one other question. law 360 was the first news outlet to report don mcgahn's new attorney representing don mcgahn as an individual and not official capacity. that's according to a person familiar with the hiring. representing his personal capacity not in his official capacity. what does that mean? he's got this new lawyer to represent him for unpaid parking

tickets or something? he isn't implicated in this in personal capacity. he's implicated because he's the white house counsel. you'll represent him but not as white house counsel? i'm sure that means something to people that know this stuff. fortunately someone that knows this stuff joins us next. listen up, heart disease. you too, unnecessary er visits. and hey, unmanaged depression, don't get too comfortable. we're talking to you, cost inefficiencies,

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jersey overseeing prosecutions involving political corruption and national security until he was fired by president trump earlier this year. thank you for being here tonight. >> nice to be here, nice to be back. >> let me jump in with this news. i just want to get right into this. this is a situation i can tell i don't know and i ought to know and you probably do. multiple white house officials have now obtained the assistance of counsel for the russia investigation. and the common thread that i can see for all the different people we know that muller wants to talk to is they all seem to have been involved at one level or another in discussions to make what ended up being misleading public statements about various acts by the trump administration. lying isn't a crime. >> as a general rule, it is not. >> but if you as a public official are involved in deliberately crafting a false public narrative to cover up a

matter that is under investigation, potentially are you treading into obstruction or any form of liability? >> the answer is yes but the keyword is potentially. >> yeah. >> it's a crime to mislead the fbi or department of justice or mislead congress when those agencies are involved in normal investigative work. if people are crafting laws with an intent to deceive those investigators, if they are trying to mislead them or take them off the scent, that can in fact be evidence of obstruction of justice. >> even if it just a statement you're making in public to the press if it intended to divert an investigation? >> it could under certain circumstances. that the right. look at the whole package of facts to make the determination what their intent was and whether there was reasonable effect that could be had on the investigation but you're right, just lying to the public it self- -- itself is not a crime. >> those people involved in

crafting false public narratives and people involved in white house communications. very narrow ally by which they can find themselves being personally criminally liable for actions presumably means they are being interviewed as witnesses. >> that's right both for the reason you articulated but still as early in the investigation. the truth is in investigations prosecutors work from the outside in or bottom up depends on the visual metaphor. the people interviewed early are not the people that are likely to have culpability. they are being beer viing inter people can get the facts and find out what actually happened and who actually might have played a major role in trying to deceive. if you're right, the person who is trying to deceive was the president, then you're going to talk to people who know what the president said or what the president did in an effort to get information before they start talking to people higher up. >> even if you are being

interviewed in that capacity as a witness to put together a fact well b -- factual basis, it still a crime to lie to investigators. >> that's a reason people hire lawyers, not so much because they will tell them to lie because they will. before witnesses go in to talk to a special counsel or non-special counsel, any prosecutor or investigator in a circumstance like this, you want advice to counsel to make sure you thought about hard questions and facts you might have to explain and got it right because you don't want to create an impression when you go in the first time you're actually deceiving -- >> they help you speak carefully and within the bounds of what you can defend. >> yes. >> given that how on earth can don mcgahn and reince priebus have the same lawyer? >> that tells me they aren't in the investigation. the same lawyer wouldn't be able to advice them.

he couldn't say to one you should say x that might implicate his other client. what that says more than anything else, they are more in the witness category than anything else. >> let's say hypothetically, just making this up, let's say the special counsel is interested in whether or not the james comey firing was an obstruction of justice and motive and articulated reason is important. don mcgahn and reince priebus of interest to the investigators as witnesses. >> right. >> sharing the same lawyer means they are collaborating with one another in terms of telling a story that is precorroborated through their attorney. >> my guess is they wouldn't be meeting with each other to talk about testimony. the lawyer would be smart enough not to do that. it not uncommon for people without culpability and if the investigators or bob muller thinks there is a problem, he actually can ask or bring it to the attention of the lawyer and say you got a conflict, you

can't do that and ultimately go to the grand jury judge, judge supervising the grand jury selection process and say i'm going to make a motion to have this lawyer conflicted out of the case entirely. i can see why it might create some concern but as a general ry frequently. >> there's a we to correct it if it's a problem. >> exactly. >> this is why i wanted you to explain these things in plain terms. >> it is ironic because the president didn't like the original letter because he wanted to say that comey would not say that he was not under investigation. now, it's really hard to draw any other conclusion. >> paul fishman, former u.s. attorney for the great state of new jersey, thank you. appreciate it. we'll be right back. stay with us.

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by reducing shock and stress on his body with every step. so look out world, dad's taking charge. dr. scholl's. born to move. okay. this is nuts. this is not the biggest thing in the world but i feel like i sort of need to stick a pin in this. i can't believe they did it. i can't believe they did it again. all right. you remember the last time the russian ambassador stepped foot in the oval office it was the day after trump fired fb director james comey. the only reason we came to know about the president hosting the russian ambassador on the right, the russian foreign minister, the other guy in the oval office the day after he fired comey and came to know about it because the russians posted pick which ares of it, right? no u.s. cameras allowed into the oval office meeting but they brought in a russian state media photographer to the oval office

and that's how we got the pictures of the president laughing and joking with these senior russian officials including ambassador sergey kislyak on the right and had the meetings and contacts with jeff sessions and kushner and flynn that the folks tried to keep secret. it later emerged that the president during that oval office meeting gave the russian officials highly classified code word intelligence from an ally and told them in the oval office he fired that nutjob james comey and now that he did, quote, i faced great pressure because of russia and now that's taken off. so that was the -- that was the last time the president hosted the russian ambassador at the white house and we had to learn about it from russian state-run media. then on friday afternoon with the whole country focused on hurricane irma, they did it again. quote, president trump received

me in a warm and friendly way, the atmosphere was welcoming, russian ambassador told the russian state-owned news agency. this is the new russian ambassador, not kislyak. he's a former deputy defense minister. he's subject to sanctions. new ambassadors do have to present their credentials to the president. we know that president trump has done at least two of the credentialing ceremonies for new ambassadors, april and july. both times those meetings with new ambassadors were listed on trump's public schedule, september out the previous night. but on friday with the new russian guy? the white house didn't mention it. it was only after russian state media started reporting that it had already happened after the meeting happened then the white house sent out a belated press release saying the president met the new russian ambassador. if we want the know what trump told the new ambassador about the fbi's russia investigation

or about one of our allies code word classified intelligence things, presumably we have to wait for it to turn up on russia today or sputnik and find out what happened. sure enough, late friday night, the russian embassy produced the picture of the meeting. on their twitter feed. next time a senior russian official will be in the oval office i wonder if we could try insisting as americans maybe we get told when moscow gets told. maybe just insisting on that. or maybe with this new administration that will always be something that moscow knows about before we're allowed to. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> you're just saying that because you're trying to get more enemiesor