stop whatever you are doing and settle in for the hour. chuck todd is about to interview kate etur who saw donald trump up close and way too personal for longer than just about anyone. for our part, we thank our panel for joining us. that does it for our hour. i'm micolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts receipt now with chuck and katie. >> hi, nicole. i'll wave across the room. we are in the same studio, little do they know. magic of television. if it's tuesday, guess who is coming to dinner at the white house? >> tonight, six senators, two parties, one president. >> the president is reaching across the aisle to cut deals that help the american people. >> will tonight's working white house dinner change the political calculus in the run-up to campaign 2018? >> i'm going to be a listener. >> plus, the president's so-called voter integrity

commission meets today in new hampshire. and the panel's vice chair doubled down on his fraud claim. but where is the evidence? >> why do these people want to shut the commission down? finally irma's wrath. >> it could be as long as a monday before we have full electricity in the lower keys. >> we'll check on the storm zone. >> nearly 22,000 fed real personnel are already on the front lines and more continue to deploy. >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in new york. welcome to "mtp daily." if our leaders learned anything from the last few weeks it's that you cannot govern alone. the president needed democrats to do a deal on disaster relief. democrats need him if they want the do anything like save daca or fix obamacare. in roughly 90 minutes from now the president is meeting with a

group of senators that includes democrats because he decided he does need them if he wants to have bipartisan tax reform. specifically, president trump is targeting three democratic senators up for re-election in 2018 in states that the president carried. they now have to choose between making a deal with him or resisting a deal. that is the bigger story brewing here on both sides. cue the both ciderisms. we know you like to do that on twitter. if our leaders learned anything else in the last few weeks it's that there is a major battle in 2018 that could purge each party of its more moderate governing wing or what's left of it. right now you are seeing signs of a purge on the right. >> the republican establishment is trying to nullify the 2016 election. that's a brutal fact we have to face. they do not want donald trump's pop you list economic nationalist agenda to be

implemented. >> you are attacking on many fronts people who you need to help you to get things done. >> they are not going to help you unless they are put on notice they are going to be held accountable if they do not support the president of the united states. >> you are going to war with them? >> absolutely. >> it's unclear whether president trump himself is on board with what's being said and done in his name. the president does need moderates to get him through congress. at the same time he demand a level of loyalty that none of them are interested in providing because guess what, they are moderates. as bannon talks about a war of purity, house republicans from districts are throwing in the towel. we have seen three announce resignation in three states. >> i'm concerned with the protectionism with a touch of nilism, these are not attributes

of a great nation. we can do better than that. frankly, in both parties i see these trends. >> he might have a point. it isn't just on the right. there are forces on the democratic side attacking the moderate and governing wings of their own party as well. >> the current model and the current strategy of the democratic party is an absolute failure. the democratic party must finally understand which side it is on. >> the democratic party season going back to the days of welfare reform and the crime bill. we are not going back to the days of being luke warm on choice. we are not going back to the days when universal health care was something democrats talked about on the campaign trail but were too chicken to fight for after they got elected. >> right now, sanders is driving a big wedge between the progressive left and the moderate left with his medicare

for all health care bill. his backers include a lot of folks who are keeping their eyes on 2020. but get this. not a single senate democrat that's facing a tough re-election in 2018, including shared brown who normally would be on board something like medicare for all -- they haven't signed on. the senate top democrat chuck schumer won't endorse it either when asked about it today inch the age of trump a lot of folks from both sides are in survival mode with seemingly few good options. for the left if you say that the president isn't going to be impeached as dine feinstein did, you get secured by the base. on the right, if you criticize the president you get secured by that base, too. i know what some of you are saying, fake news republicans are united or fake news umts democrats are united. if you can't he see it you are probably part of the problem.

joining user charlie cook. today you went in a direction you don't normally do. you went right at the system's broken, politics is broken, and you lamented the whole thing to the point of you didn't seem to have a solution. >> yeah, chuck, i came to washington 45 years ago as a freshman in college and started working on the hill a few months after that. and you know, i have always believed in the system. i have always worked within the system. i am a very traditional kind of person. but the last few years, it's become more and more clear that this season working, that congress isn't working right. the presidency is not behaving the way it ought to. and this is not just donald trump. this is over a 20, 30-year period of time. we are seeing trends that are really, really deinstructive. and i wrote this -- destructive. i wrote this column this morning, and a friend of mine of

italian-american heritage said it says something that my native italy is more stable than the united states is. i winsed hearing that. >> you win at broken politics. i have used that phrase myself. when i dive into this, i feel like if you were to -- and everybody is looking for what's the most broken off them all, is it broken congress? is it broken washington? i pin it on the parties. the two political parties arteries are the broken institutions. these are institutions that are no longer interested in being governing entities. they are only, only vehicles for elections, period, and that is part -- that is sort of the core issue, the core problem. >> the way i look at it is the american people are kinds of a bell curve, maybe slightly more right than left, but basically a bell curve. if you looked at the two parties, it's like a camel with two humps, bimodal distribution is the financy. but these humps are moving

further and further apart. if you think about it the shape of our two-party system is precisely the opposite of the shape of the american people. yet because of the electoral college it's fundamentally impossible for an independent to win a three-way race. so we are stuck in a system that isn't working. >> you did though seem to think that the only way to fix it is that you needed -- you were -- you were looking for a political messiah. that's what surprised me the most. and it struck me as something that we could be waiting thousands of years for. >> yeah. i'm 63. at my age, i don't expect to see a messiah. but we do need a unifying candidate. whether a democrat or a republican, a conservative, liberal, whatever. but we need someone that's unifying. i think president obama thought he was going to be, could be the unifying candidate. but i think as it turned out maybe it's because of race,

maybe because he had an unusual last name, maybe because you know he lived around the world. but for whatever reason he was incredibly divisive whether he intended to or not. and he could not be the unifying force. and trump isn't even trying. but we need some person that's going to pull things back together. you know, you remember 16 years ago, i guess today, when you had all those members of congress, both parties gather on the capitol steps and sang "god bless america". and you thought well maybe something good can come out of this tragedy. soon the fight over should we invade iraq, yes or no. and it split the two sides apart worse than it was before. >> when i've gone on this -- when i've done the our politics is more broken than ever lecture i will get folks to say to me who have more gray hair than i do right now, they will say oh,

please, it's nothing. you weren't here in '68. you have no idea what it was like between '68 and '74 in that country. that period, just as polarizing, just as divide. yes, both parties from fractured at that point. you had wars. >> they were fractured. >> why is -- yeah. >> but congress functioned. the system functioned. yes they were acrimonious, and yes there were high feelings. but the thing about it is the legislative process worked. the governing process worked. right now you look at what is happening, and it's just barely working, if it's working at all. and in the '60s and '70s was working even though it was a heated time. >> so what's this look like in 2018? how are you answering this question? i mean it's clearly going to be a tumultuous mid term. it's going to be hard to

handicap. we are not used to high turnout mid terms. other than that where is this going? >> to me you have got competing forces. you look at sort of the macro political, the political environment, and it's just looking absolutely awful for republicans. but then you look at the micro side, whether you are talking about the house or whether you are talking about the senate, the specific circumstances. redistricting where congressional district boundaries are helps republicans. natural population patterns where democrats are incredibly concentrated in relatively a few number of different districts that works against democrats for republicans. you look at the u.s. senate normally if you had five seats where the president of the other party won, plus five more in states that trump carried by lower margin -- if republicans had a president with a job approval rating # of 52, 53, 54%

they would pick up six or seven or eight senate seats. right now i think it's going to be more or less a wash, plus or minus a see. it is the macro factors pushing against republicans. and the micro factors are pushing against delts. you know, who knows where this ends up. we have never been in a situation quite like this before. >> in that sense maybe we have something to look forward to as political journalists right charlie. great the see you, sir. happy september. >> as we mentioned democrats are facing their own identity crisis as well as the gop i'm sure. what does the democratic party stand for? who is its lead center what do they campaign on in 2018? joining me now, a democrat from a swing state, senator michael bennett who is currently working on crazy ideas like bipartisan legislation. senator -- >> on that happy note. >> exactly. i want to give you a chance.

rebut charlie cook there. you have known him a long time. you know he doesn't say these words lightly about a broken politics and a non-functioning congress. can you disagree with him? are we cassandra here or some something -- >> of course. no. i don't think -- i do think there is one moment in our his when he the congress was more broken. that's when senators were actually bribing state legislatures to come here and give themselves railroad franchises. since that time it is never been more broken than it is today. it was broken before donald trump was elected president. now in a sign of how broken our political system is, we have elected a reality tv star to be the leader of the free world. that's pretty broken, i'd say. >> what do you say your role is in all of this? what is the role you have played, your party played? the senate played? what role you should be playing now? >> my role in the first time i

was here was to be involved in one bipartisan effort after another, from immigration reform, to rewriting the secondary school act no child left behind. obviously we didn't get immigration through the house but the gang of eight did good work in the senate. is to proven in this mess some bipartisanship has been able to be accomplished and my mackia veilian hope had been people would say i will like to be part of that instead of going back home and complaining about how the other party is. now i think this president presents a real threat to vital values of the united states with respect to independence of the judiciary, the importance of the free press, our separation of powers. and it is very important that we get through this moment in our republic's his rewith as little damage done to those institutions as possible.

>> how do you work in a bipartisan basis -- not everybody agrees, there are a lot of trump supporters who done believe he is a threat to the system, they believe he is exactly what the system needed because it was atrophying and needed reworking. i understand what you are saying that he is a threat to some of the systems from your point of view, how do you work across the aisle if you say that's a threat. how do you get the others to work with you. >> that's the point. if you saw the disagreements that the founders had at the outset they had profound disagreements and they designed the system precisely could be a mechanism to resolve our disputes because we were, unlike the historic monarchies of europe, we were going to govern ourselves and we needed a mechanism to resolve disputes. what ma thaent was you had -- what that meant was that you had to assume people were not going to agree with you but that they

were going to disagree with you and that part of getting through the system in a year of legislation would mean that you would have to go home and say i tried to get 100% of what i wanted but we could only get 80%. and that's a success, not a failure. in the terms of our current political debate and i think it's true on both sides one more on the other we have come to this, we have approached these problems as though we have a monopoly on wisdom. i can tell you that is not what the people of my purple state believe about me. it's not what we believe about corey gardner, who is my republican colleague from colorado. >> right. >> what they want to see us doing is stopping the politicalan sanity that's going on here and actually addressing the challenges that they face. >> but senator. >> which are considerable. >> it's interesting. you and senator gardner are throwbacks, you guys act like senators that i first started covering in 1992 who thought, yeah, i got to -- it's 40-40, i start every election 40-0 and

you have got to persuade as many of the last 20% as you can get and that's where you did. most politics is not practiced the way you and senator gardner are still trying to practice it in colorado. how does that impact -- medicare for all, the bernie sanders bill. >> yeah. >> if you don't support it many on the left are going to think you are a sellout on the issue of health care. what do you say to that voter? >> what i say is that the way i should be judged and frankly the way bern wee should be judged on this is whether we are creating more opportunities for americans to buy quality health care at a lower price or to get quality health care at lower price, whether we are doing more to ensure that children living in poverty actually have a high quality education, whether college is affordable of those are not policies. those are values that we should have not just as a party but i think republicans and democrats together understanding that we will have disagreements but we need the resolve them. i tell you, i think one of the reasons why you see in me and

corey maybe a throwback to another time is that we come from a state that is very complex politically. >> right. >> it is a state that's a third democratic, a third independent and a third republican. you can't go home -- i also reject the idea that that makes you a moderate which i hear sometimes about myself. i think the question is are you actually oriented toward a set of policies and values that speak to the future that the american people are going to have. or are you oriented deep in the past both in terms of grievances that you have about the other political party or policy choices that are going to make no accepts in the 21stth century. >> you played ball with us on a tough topic had he we inundate you with coming is broken. how do you pick it? appreciate you coming on. >> appreciate being here.

quick update on the recovery of hurricane irma. after tearing through the caribbean and florida what was hurricane irma is now just a big storm dumping rain on the southeast part of this country. as people begin to head back to their homes to assess the damage we still have about 7 million customers in the region without power. some of the worst damage is in the florida keys. fema says 90% of the houses in the keys experienced major damage. 25% of those homes were destroyed. one florida official said it could be a monday before electricity is ifly restored in the lower keys. life saving rescues from flooding in jacksonville was still happening today after rain and the storm surge caused the st. john's river overflow. we will keep you updated on all the latest developments later in the hour as well. thought we would give you an update then. we'll be right back. we have got a lively panel coming up. i promise you. oh, that's really attached.

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irma. ron mott, my colleague in nbc news is traveling with the coast guard right now. they are just off the coast of st. manslaughter thou, u.s. virgin islands got hammered, particularly st. thomas and st. john. ron, what are you seeing? this is the first time the coast guard has gotten there, at least this part of the cavalry. what are you seeing as you make your way towards the port town there? >> reporter: hey chuck. we are about to dock downtown. from this vantage point downtown look pretty good. the one thing you notice right away that the foliage of green is now all brown because most all the leaves were taken off of the trees during hurricane irma's pass. the eye pasting just to the north of the island. what the coast guard is doing here today. there are members coming to relieve colleague who is have been on the ground since thursday or friday of last week. there are also tsa officials on board this cutter who are going

to go to the airport. what they are going to do is check out the screening equipment so they can check that out and get the airport up and running again. the hope is by this weekend there can be commercial flights out of king airport on the west side. et cetera a going to be long process. if i may, i own a condo here. one of the things that attracted a lot of folks like me here, there is a slower pace of living here. we call it island. but right now folks are impatience patient because they need the basics. we just yielded to a norwegian cruiseline ship. they have taken people who wanted to get off of this island toward miami. they can do that today. tonight there is a ship coming in that will bring people puerto rico. there is a lot of moving parts. we don't know how many people are still on the island. as bad as st. thomas is, st.

john is worse. >> i was going to ask you about st. john. what do we know about power and water. >> very little utilities. st. johns has six to seven days of poetdible water available. it can't hurt to rain in the next week or two. st. john has clearly got more damage than st. thomas. fortunately not as many people live on that aland as they do here on st. thomas. the supplies are coming in daily. they want to get the airport open because that will take the load off of e prixo who has been ferrying supplies. it is a long journey. if they were able to land here at king airport we can get supplies to people quickly. >> ron mott. a reminder, fema has a lot of work to do. it's not just florida, text, it's the u.s. virginian islands and puerto rico. thanks ron motd. back in 60 seconds with more "mtp daily."

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let me bring in tonight's panel. maria theresa cue marrs, john pot horts, and katy tur, who is author of a new book that's out today. what's it called? it's unbelievable. my front row seat to the craziest campaign in american history. welcome to you all. we'll do some book plugging later. i promise. get the amazon number up. look, i want to start -- my thesis at the start of this show, john, it actually began in a conversation we had internally which said we will know if the republican party is truly completely fractured if they can't do tax reform. because if they can't unite on taxes there is nothing let for the parties to unite on. is that a core issue. >> there are two issues. the policy issue and the procedural issue. the policy issue is it's easy if the republicans if the

republicans had 60 votes in the senate. since they have 51 votes and they have to do it with this reconciliation process. they are going to have to pick and choose. there's in the going to be as much money as there might be otherwise to choose what you do tax reform with. that's where the division is going to come in. everybody is going to have their own favorite tax cutting tax reform idea. whether or not they can resolve those dispute is anybody's guess. >> maria, as we were netting as much as i think many democrats would probably just like to be no on everything, if you care about daca you are going to need to work with the president. so we are in this weird moment where both parties have toe figure out how to work with each other to get what they need done and nobody is happy about it. >> exactly. i also think that the president shared his cards and moved and started talking to pelosi and schumer next week saying he would not connect the debt ceiling with daca all of a

sudden opened up a conversation where the democrats are going to have to talk to the republicans and the idea that they don't have to connect daca to the wall is not making republicans happy. >> is it a good thing or a bad thing that nobody is happy. >> the president is somebody who is complicated figure. both sides have gone after him in their own ways. the democrats certainly have been unforgiving with the preds. working with him in any way,ine on issues that they champion is a complicated and ricky business. republicans obviously don't want the see him working with democrats. they want to get something done. then again, he's not campaigning for their issues. he's not going out and presenting cohesive policy. he hasn't even gone out and presented a cohesive tax plan yet. >> no. but let me ask a larger question. i had this conversation with my pollsters. didn't we just have an election where two people hijacked both

parties bashing corporate america and now the party is uniting to get a corporate tax cut? i don't see how this is that popular. >> the question is what is effective, not just what is popular. the argument for a corporate tax cut isn't to like hand corporations money. it is to stimulate serious economic growth in 2018 by releasing animal spirits and whatever else you might call it. to create the conditions under which money will flow into the united states. >> i like the releasing of animal spirits. >> is there a chant or a dance. >> that's an adam smith term. come on. there is really an issue, which is dupe to do it so it has the most impact and effect fastest, so the economy grows much more quickly. >> right. >> or do you want to do something much more broad base or targeted at the middle class or something like that? obviously there are cross krnts here because the trump and the

republican interest is to say we delivered. the country is in much better economic shape in 2018 than it was when we came into office. the democratic etiology is very much against going this route. >> it does feel like republican donors care more about tax reform than republican voters. >> exactly. >> that's what i'm curious, how long do they -- bannon was the guy throwing the spitball going we should raise taxes on the wealthy in order to pay for a tax cut. >> i think it's also recognizing that the -- i believe, that trump knows his base better than the republican establishment. that is why he was able to go with debt ceiling because he realized the people didn't care whether or not they were going to reduce the cap. they cared whether or not they were going to be get jobs, back on their feet. tax cuts diplomat necessarily mean they are going to unless it's squarely in the middle class. >> you talk with the trump base every day.

are they idea logical. >> no. some of them do have idea logical believes and hold things close to the heart but they were willing to trust trump on his decisions. take the wall for instance. i talked to one gentlemen, i asked him why are you voting for donald trump, he wants to build a wall? what if he doesn't build a wall. >> it is a okay. i trust his judgment. the people felt the politicians, people they put into power weren't fighting for their issues. donald trump didn't know what he was talk about, they admitted it but they thought he would fix it. they were sick of democrats and republicans. >> sick of the same fight. because it felt like the same fight over and over. >> we would be in the field and approach voters. they would say i'm voting for bernie sanders, if not bernie sanders i am voting for trump. it was the same ideology,

washington is so broken we need relief. >> this is the out for trump. which is he needs his voters and even sanders's voters, whatever you want to call it to think he is on their side then he can go to them and say this tax cut is good for you, it will help you. there are a unch about of people in america who will believe him and then there are democrats who won't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. >> there are soft democrats and independents who held their noses, didn't really like donald trump. voted and took a chance on this. he risks losing them. those people are in the upper midwest. the formerly blue wall, the chicago, wisconsin. >> risk losing them unless his tax cut or tax reform has an undeniable positive economic turn. >> by him doing the tax proposal all of a sudden negates all the other stuff he has done when it comes the issues of race in this country. s that going to galvanize a

generation of folks we reason is seen participate before. >> putting money in people's pockets helps to mitigate some of that. >> i think the president is under the illusion that if he has a good three months and somehow the democrats -- that he can mitigate some of that. >> why would that not have happened during the primaries is and the general election when he was saying all sorts of things like that. >> people didn't think he was going serious. >> don't they run the risk of having the same thing happen again? >> i'm hijacking it. >> and you know what, you know the person in my ear going heavy, heavy, heavy. marie, john and katie stick around. still ahead, florida after irma. is what we saw this weekend a preview of coming attractions? in its economy, in medicine, in science and in national security. one company designs and builds more supercomputers than any other. an american company. hewlett packard enterprise. leading the way to discover...

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white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders says president trump will visit florida on thursday. it did not shape up to the moomal catastrophe that was forecasted this same time last week a. bunch of factors kept it from developing strength and scoring a direct hit. the mountains on the north side of cuba and the storm's path over mainland florida greatly weakened irma.

irma was so close to delivering up with of those tough blows that a small wobble in the storp's path could have made things much worse. ginning me, jason salmonel. i now count on you for weather outside of our region now. count me a super fan. >> thank you so much. >> let me start with what we got right, what we got wrong in forecasting this hurricane. give me the good, the bad, and the ugly here. >> sure. so at long lead teams, i mean more than a week away we saw this as a threat. we had been tracking this what sools like forever. again, five, seven days out we thought it would be a land fall threat for somewhere along the wooekts. for three to five days we knew it was a real and present danger to florida. as we got closer in is question was is it going to be the west coast, the east coast, or is it going to come up the spine? that was the question we couldn't answer until about a

day before when models started to converge and we knew the west coast was more likely to catch the brunt of the storm. even then small wobbles were going to be consequential in terms of where the hazards were worst. >> i went through andrew and i remember that one was never going to go due west. hurricanes never go due west. then this low sat on it and it went due west and ended up hitting the southwest part of dade county. obviously you have more data than ever on forecasting. but are we going to get to a poept to account for the wobbles or are we going to have to realize that the spaghetti strands are good forecasts? >> i think we have made tremendous progress in our track predictions over the last couple of decades. and we looked at the errors in the average track forecast 20 years ago they have shrunk considerably now. so we are able to make forecasts as much better lead times than

we were before. having said that you are you are right, it's going to be really tough trying to predict these really small wobbles. that's sort of where a lot of research in model prediction is occurring is trying to get these really high resolution models to be able to capture these small shifts which have such important consequences. there is a lot of work being done at the national weather service and the national hurricane center. they are developing new models and improving the resolution and the computer power behind the models but we are not there yet. >> we had three major hurricanes all on the atlantic side of things. i think we had one in the gulf and irma and jose were both going at the same time. i know we have had periods like that before, '04 and '05 jump out at me in particular. 2012 as well. some people look at it and say boy that's got to be evidence of climate change. yet not everybody says, well it's a factor, but -- explain. >> sure. as you have said we have had

active seasons before. prior to this year we had some quiet seasons. so the seasonal activity goes in and out of cycles. the question is whether the storms on average are becoming more intense. and the climate change assessments which have been done show that we don't yet have a detectable influence on hurricanes in terms of climate change. however, anecdotally if you look at some of the storms we've seen around the world in the last few years if you look at super typhoon high yen which decimated the philippines in 2013, and then patricia which had 213 miles per hour winds in the eastern pacific in 2015. and irma this year, which is the strongest storm in the land basin outside the gulf and did caribbean. we are seeing in the last few years some of the strongest storms we have ever seen. the temperatures, sea surface temperatures around the world are warming. you have got to wonder if there is some cause and effect and all climate model projections do expect we will see stronger storms moving into the future.

>> let me ask you this, as another way of assessing this, hurricane season is supposed to begin in june and end in november. will we know there is climate change is having an impact when we start seeing december storms sometime between december 1 and may 31st? >> that's one of the project shups that computer models put out there is that the seasons will get a little longer. i think last year we had a hurricane or a strong tropical storm in january. and we are seeing not only the seasons extend but we are seeing the locations where hurricanes can form widen. so you are seeing hurricanes form farther north than they used to. again, as the sea surface temperatures warm and the warm sea surface temperatures he can pants we will increase the seas and increase the geography in which we see these storms. >> good to bring in somebody who does this for a living, bring truth into all of this. we appreciate it. >> you bet you, it was a pleasure. all right.

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days. it is not voter fraud. it is certainly a different decision that new hampshire has. >> the majority of states do allow for folks out of state as long as they are paying too sxigs demonstrating they are living there. >> but different states do different things. >> that's right. the fact it has been certified. he's trying to push the scenario that there is voter fraud when the secretary of state is saying there has not been voter fraud. this is legitimate voters. it speaks to a larger narrative. he wants to figure out how to prevent young people and disproportionately people of color. he basically earlier this year, he requested all 50 states to hand over their voter rolls. the majority of them, close the 50, said no way. it's not secure and they don't have a process to ensure this. >> it does feel like he's trying conflate. he knows this was not fraud that was perpetrated in new

hampshire. yes, you can say students made the difference between maggie hasan and kelly ayotte. okay. but it was perfectly legal. >> okay, look. there are problems with the voter rose. i'm sorry, i know this is something you're not supposed to say. i am myself registered on vote in two different places in new york city. because i lived in brooklyn. i now live in manhattan. i get mailings from both. totally unhip. but i am not off the rolls in brook len heights. in theory, i could go back -- >> nobody is arguing -- >> the point i'm trying to make, in a razor thin election, let's say the wellstone, the election in 2008. that was won by 350 votes. do you think out of 11 million votes, there's not, there are not 350 questionable votes being cast? it is preposterous to claim that's not a plausible theory.

the democrats now in the position of arguing that there is no voter fraud whatsoever in the united states. >> it is different from changing the laws and the rules that allow people to vote. >> that's different. >> those are two different things. you have to look at the independent studies down this. you might say there are questionable cases and people don't argue there are questionable cases. but there have been so few cases that have been questionable that have proven to have resulted in fraud. there's a loyola city that said out of a billion votes cast, they could find 30 questionable cases. >> the brendan center is not independent. >> it is beyond lodge tokyo say that in a country in which 130 million votes cast, that there is not voter fraud. we know as a matter of statistics that 1% are spoiled

or false or wrongly cast or potentially fraud lens. it may be to go after voter fraud is draconian and intended to benefit one side only. that doesn't mean this is not an issue. >> this is the problem. i do believe when you have partisans into this, at the end of the day, you have elected officials charged with this, politics is always going to be, shockingly, democratic states want same day registration. >> some states promote folks to come in and mail in the sglats that's what they want. there is a center that does do what you say. it cleans up the voter rolls but in a way that is fair and it is bipartisan. >> we will leave it there. we had a lot to get to and we didn't get to all of it. congratulations again, katy, on the new book unbelievable.

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>> your eyes are not deseeing you. those are senators alexander and kaine. we salute them. alexander's rag time band making a border trip to bristol. that's all we have tonight. music knows no party. >> especially a little rag time, right? >> classic americana. love it. tonight we have major developments on the irma clean-up as well as the russia investigation. in a moment, i'll speak live to wall street reporter with news onner jared kushner's legal complications and it will be an interesting complication. first the latest on the aftermath of hurricane irma. the body count is