>> they call this train, it just keeping rolling ♪ ♪ along. >> congress train, those are miranda's political tunes, now what song is getting you through this political moment? tell us, you can post it at msnbc.com, that is our show. "hardball" starts now. >> another trumpster targeted. let's play "hardball"." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington, msnbc learned that the son of the president's former national security adviser is now the subject of the investigation being led by special counsel robert mueller. according to the officials the

inquiry is focused at least in part in his work on his father's firm intel group, where he had a hand in the day-to-day operations. but the younger flynn is known for pushing that conspiracy known as pizzagate, regarding a sex ring and a washington restaurant. the similar outrage provoked a gunman to fire shots outside the restaurant, yet flynn still tweeted this outside the investigation. quote, until pizza gate is proven to be false it will remain a story. in reaction to the investigation tonight, president trump's special counsel, ty cobb, says it did not impact the white house with regard to any cooperation with the special counsel. that is what this guy said. anyway, the report that flynn is the subject of the investigation comes in the middle of new charges that his father, the senior michael flynn had deeper foreign involvement than

previously known. democratic adviser elijah cummings is probes the matter about the power plants in the middle east, as well as a trip to saudi arabia to promote the plan in 2015. in a letter to flynn's lawyer, the lawmaker says that it appears flynn violated federal law by omitting this trip in 2016. they have requested all communications relating to the venture and say they will refer their findings to special counsel robert mueller. meanwhile, chris koons of delaware, and jackie spears, a democrat from california, and ken delaney, i want to start with ken here, our guy here, the subject of the investigation, the michael flynn, the younger now involved in what. why is he joining this mess? >> well, chris, the subject of

the investigation means that the prosecutors in the grand jury suspect you may have committed a crime but they need more information to find out. so it's more serious as being a witness, but not as serious as being a target which means you're about to be indicted. michael flynn, the father, appears to be facing jeopardy regarding his involvements in turkey and the failure to disclose items on his security clearance application. and mike flynn, his son, was his right-hand man, the chief of staff, executive assistant, involved in filling out forms so that makes flynn's, the special counsel's interest in him, important. if flynn wants to look at the involvement in collusion, investigating his son is another way to put pressure on mike flynn, the former national security adviser. >> tell me how a criminal case

works, they start as i understand it how to work from the edge of the rim and work closer. especially particular charges that may not relate to trump. you squeeze him on these charges, say maybe you want to go away for two instead of 20 years, you tell us what you know about trump. >> absolutely right, allegations of a conspiracy between the trump campaign and russia, which would be really hard to prove, right? you need people involved to talk about it. so you begin to investigate the potential players and if they committed other crimes having nothing to do with the russian collusion, that is still relevant because it gives mueller leverage over them. they seem to have unrelated jeopardy, but it is unrelated if they will be compelled to talk about what they know, meetings, and collusion between them. >> what do you make of the fact

this lawyer for flynn, flynn sr., says no comment when he is asked about collusion. that seems a soft undirected kind of response. don't you usually say your client is innocent? >> you do, everybody else in this investigation has flatly denied collusion in the investigation, president trump, mike flynn's lawyer says no comment, he may just be being cautious, if he is negotiating a cooperation agreement with the government, that may be another reason he may not want to contradict things that his client may be admitting. that is just one thing, as you call it, the squishy comment. >> i didn't use the word, you did, but thank you for the help. and the lawyer regarding the contacts with russia, had no comments when asked if collusion took place. the older flynn's lawyer

declined to comment tuesday when asked how his client responds to allegations of collusion, he says, it stands in stark contrast, for over a year now it has been standard operating procedure for everybody in trump's orbit to deny any collusion with russians to influence the election. let's watch them in action. >> so they're investigating something that never happened. there was no collusion between us and russia. there is no collusion, you know why? because i don't speak to russians. >> i did not collude with russia. >> i would certainly say don jr. did not collude with anybody. >> and anybody involved with russia in the 2016 campaign. >> no. >> did any adviser or anybody in the trump administration have contact with the russians who

were trying to meddle in the election? >> oh, of course not. >> let's go back to the russians and hacking and you tell us what the campaign knows and what donald trump believes. >> we have no relationship. >> you know, i have to ask you, senator, no, i'm sorry -- yeah, congresswoman, we'll get with you in a moment. this whole mess, it just seems like it widens, deepens, no comment, flynn, the elder, flynn, the younger, they're all under investigation. i get the sense that mueller is not going to stop with some narrow investigation. he is looking at any criminality. in fact, that is his mandate. any criminality. he is going to squeeze whoever he finds guilty of something. >> robert mueller is an exceptional thoughtful, thorough law enforcement leader and if were representing somebody who were on the target list of his investigation i would be very concerned. because i think he is going to

persistently, patiently and professionally keep at this as you put it, starting at the outside and just squeezing and working his way in until he gets to his principal target. >> the second question, i mean, i don't want to play what do you call it? nativist or -- there is something weird about this constant word, russia, every time we talk about these people the word russia comes up. we now have flynn involved building nuclear facilities in saudi arabia. it's like everybody that trump dealt with was linked with russia, manafort -- you keep going down the list. >> it is striking how many of the core campaign team neglected to mention, forgot about or overlooked. >> but why russia? >> it is odd, because there are so many other countries in the world. >> and it's as if it's a love

affair almost with putin. >> it's an unsettling and constant strain that has now gone on for nine months where the number of folks in his immediate family and his core campaign circle or who were in his initial cabinet had some inexplicable contact or relationship with russians. obviously, this is part of working from the outside in. the investigation has i think quite a distance to go. but you're right there is a truly unsettling consistent pattern. >> congressman spear, thank you. i know you understand politics. i love to talk about it. i do not understand why your committee majority has just signed on one of these gofers from the white house, who was the guy on the chairman committee, the midnight ride and shows up the next morning with guess what i learned, i learned it from the night before and from the same trump people and he is bringing aboard a trump guy from the white house. can't you guys just stand up and

say no this is not what we do here? we don't bring in gofers from the other side to defend them? we're investigating them. >> oh chris, the majority in the intel committee controls the intel committee. they get to decide who they hire. the minority also gets to decide who they hire, but we don't have any control over who is hired on the majority side. >> you don't have any control. let me tell you, when joe mccarthy was riding at his worst, the democrats on the committee and others said we're not putting up with roy cohn and that crowd running everything any more. they're making accusations with no foundation, they're mccarthyites, and finally they stopped going to meetin g meeti

finally they got bobby kennedy. and they said we don't want to have people working for the defendant running our investigation of the defendant. am i being too rough here? >> there may come a time when we do that. but our intention is to work with our republican colleagues on the committee to do this investigation and come up with a report that we can both sign off on. it has always been a bipartisan committee. it was regrettable once chairman nunez went on his paul revere ride that we became more partisan and he to recuse himself sort of from the committee and its investigation. >> let's talk, are you going to try to get some more interesting characters, like oh, donald trump jr., are you going to try to get them to testify in public so that citizens get to watch them in public and decide if they believe him. i say that because people imply they don't really believe donald

trump jr. when he shows up, because he doesn't really have a credible face. >> well, we are calling for public hearings and would be delighted to have junior at a hearing. this has been an act of war by russia and it should not be lost on any of us that they have used multiple platforms to undermine this democracy, whether it was the tv stations or facebook. or hacking into our political institutions, the dnc, and the republican national committee, or furthermore, hacking into the very election system, both the voting records and i'm not convinced that they did not get into the machines. and that is what we have to spend a lot of time on. >> we don't know that yet. senator, what is your position on subpoenaing people like flynn, the sr. and maybe the junior flynn. and also bringing in question like maybe donald trump junior, because i was getting the clear

signal from senators that they didn't really believe him and they would like to put him in the public, so the public can share their opinions. >> well, senator feinstein says we will have donald trump junior in front of the judiciary committee giving sworn testimony televised so that we can ask general questions and the public can hear, she said come hell or high water she will get it done. and the ranking member and she have come to an agreement about who they subpoena and request voluntary meetings with. over the august recess, the staff were very busy, they got 20,000 documents, there is a way to go on the judiciary committee but i do think they're making progress. >> do you think diana feinstein should run for re-election? >> i think she is sharper on her best days than i am normally, and i think she is very capable.

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more and more we're trying to work things out together, it's a positive thing. and it's good for the republicans and good for the democrats. >> welcome back to "hardball," democratic leaders chuck schumer and nancy pelosi are at the white house right now having dinner with president trump. that is tonight now. and nbc reports they're going to discuss the dream act and health care, democratic priorities. meanwhile, the republicans want to work out a deal on taxes and the debt ceiling, this comes after a deal made with the president last week to get funding for the hurricane and government spending to avoid the shutdown.

nancy pelosi also met with paul ryan. peter it seems to me there is a basis for reasonable deal-making. the president wants to get a debt ceiling through so it doesn't embarrass the government, wants a continuing resolution to keep us from not having to pay our bills, and also they want the continuation of basically the er, what obama did for young people who came here illegally. and also health care, in other words, do no harm. these seem like four reasonable deal-making elements that the sides can get to an agreement on by christmas without chaos. >> well, they are reasonable but this is washington so that doesn't necessarily apply. on any given day you can imagine certainly how in the past republicans and democrats could have come together and horse traded on some of these issues, found some common ground, give a little here and there. this thing in washington, you

can't count on it any more. but you're right, there is a new-found intent at least by the president to reach out to the democrats. you mentioned the meetings today, they had a number of them. he is having chuck schumer and nancy nancy pelo nancy pelosi, this is a new phase, we don't know if it will last, it could end tomorrow. but both sides are looking for a way to deal with it. >> and we know that chuck schumer is very new yorkish and very open behavior, very open, trump is the same way, just it seems to me they speak the same language, to put it lightly, ready to make a deal. there is no cultural difference between chuck schumer and donald trump, basically they come from the same block, although one is from a different part of brooklyn, you know what i mean? so what is the problem with

getting something done? i don't see any failure to communicate there. >> well, one of the challenges is the disincentive. if you're a democratic leader right now there is a lot of people right knew in your base looking at you a little askance, wait a minute, don't be so quick to make a deal especially with this guy. we spent seven or eight months looking at donald trump as evil, some of them would say. therefore making any deal is automatically suspect even if it's a deal that may be a good one. that is for starters on the democratic side. on trump's side, he doesn't necessarily control his own party. paul ryan and mitch mcconnell were shocked by last week's deal. not happy about it. he surprised them in a meeting. this deal didn't bring up any substantive agreements, sort of punted for a month, so whether or not trump can bring his own party up to it is a question. >> i agree with you about the concern on the progressive side in the democratic party the

active left right now. but i think saving daca and obamacare is a worthy cause especially for people on the progressive side. if i were schumer, i would come out and wave a paper saying look, i just got daca approved indefinitely, and the tricks that the administration has been pulling, that is all gone now. we have saved the program, that our president elected last time. that obama created, made his greatest achievement. will now be saved for further examination down the road. what do the democrats gain from the government shutting down or the government unable to pay its bills. the democrats are the governing party, they believe in the government working. the republicans are on the hard right. they love confusion and chaos and government shutdowns, you know what i mean? i can't make this deal sitting here. but it seems like there is a deal there to get some crap out

of the way and get good stuff done for the democratic progressive side. >> it does seem like there is a deal there to be done. you can see how president trump was excited by last week's fiscal deal again, not a very big deal, but he was so excited by the reaction to it by the sense of actually making progress after feeling frustrated not getting very far with his republican allies on the hill and that is why he seems to be trying this out. why do we have paul ryan as speaker? we have paul ryan in speaker as part because john boehner his republican predecessor got in trouble for making a fiscal deal with barack obama. so there is a skittishness on the part of the republicans. it used to be an incentive you were rewarded if you could call anything bipartisan. today, there is a disincentive built into the system. >> and the deal on tax reform, is there a democratic incentive to join the republicans on something that gets rid of

loopholes that makes the system better for the republicans? >> sure, of course there is. it has been done, reagan did it with the democrats in 1986, they reformed the tax code top to bottom. you were there. the trick is, they had a dan rostenkowiski, bill bradley, i don't know that this generation has that. it's an interesting question, can they reconcile their very different priorities in a tax reform and come up with something that meets them in the middle. that is very, very hard. not only do they have democratic priorities or republican priorities you have a million special interests out there that are trying to protect their own little section of the code that is really important to the industry or consistency group, any one of which can bollocks up something on the hill if it gets messy. >> by the way, he really was good and clean on the big stuff,

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here is what is happening, eight patients at a hot nurses home died after hurricane irma

knocked out their air conditioning, the victims were from 71 to 99, the rehab center in florida has a poor record with state inspectors, according to the miami herald. more than 60 patients were evacuated. in a statement, government scott said he is heartbroken and will demand answers. a student has died in a shooting near spokane, washington, the victim was killed when he tried to engage the student gunman, three others were injured, the gunman is in custody. back to "hardball"." welcome back to "hardball," it's been a little over a week since hurricane irma made landfall bringing devastation and destruction, initially the category 5 storm veered through the caribbean islands, and then through western florida, weakening through georgia and then south carolina, in its

wake, irma left south florida with hot and dismal conditions, to date, 21,000 individuals are in shelter, roughly 30,000 national guard have been deployed to help after irma. more than three million liters of water have been transferred to states. and the islands of st. johns and st. martin have been brought food and water. roughly 4 million americans in the continental united states remain in the dark because of irma, and many in puerto rico without power. today, nbc news confirmed at least 65 deaths related to hurricane irma. this includes eight patients who died at a nursing home in hollywood, florida, because of the heat. the next few months will remain a challenge for those battered by hurricane irma.

in the u.s. virgin islands, some say it is left in an apocalypse-like state. and joining me, she weathered the storm from her home in st. thomas, katina, thank you for joining us on the phone. you know, i have been to charlotte amalia, st. thomas, what shape is it in now? >> reporter: well, i can't speak for st. johns except i hear it's worse than st. thomas. i was just a few moments ago at a home in amalie, the whole town is in pretty good shape, most of the buildings have roofs and so forth, you can see we had a storm surge, the first few days, we were under curfew, allowed to go out between 12 and 6 p.m. when you drive around you can see where there is a lot of mud and so forth, although they have cleaned it up.

you can see where there was stuff. they're working hard to clean things, our roads are slowly becoming passable. there are a lot of downed power lines and all the utility things are down, so sometimes you're down to one lane trying to dodge around hanging wires and things like that. now i'm overlooking the north side, i'm overlooking megan's bay, and the valley where i live. there was a lot more -- damaged homes here. and the trees are much more devastated than let's say on the other side, but all over the trees look like an occurrence happened. no leaves, lots of broken branches, many things uprooted, like that. >> i hope you get that place back up, it's a beautiful part of the world, i wish you the best. katina, actually had her roof blown off. let's go to nbc's jay gray for more. >> reporter: hey, there, chris,

good evening, we want to give and first hand look at the devastation. the barrier islands were ripped apart, as you look, you can see the splintered metal, the glass, their lives are splattered across the island, now they have the task to rebuild here, most you talk to say that is exactly what they plan to do. they also acknowledge they will need help doing that. fema on the ground here, you have the national guard, more than 8,000 troops here working to clear away what they can, but in so many areas like this one, the basic necessities that we all take for granted, food water, cell service, they don't exist right now. and so getting things cleared away and getting that back in here is the primary mission. you have people coming out taking a look at what is left if anything of their homes and trying to salvage anything they can. but most here come in realizing that this is going to be a fresh start. this is going to be something

that they will have to do from the bottom up here. the president travels to the state tomorrow. he will be on the west side, and napless, touring the devastation here, we're talking to people, they say generally, they're glad the president will be here, there is too much work to be done when they comes to florida, but they think when he sees what happens firsthand to florida he will be committed to the recovery here. it's going to be a difficult recovery, but again, they say they are up to the task here in florida, chris? >> thank you, nbc's jay gray, for more information on the keys, i'm joined by a red cross working as a volunteer, what do you think it will take to fix what we have already? i remember the railroad all the way to key west, got blown away and never was rebuilt. i assume the highway and everything else will get rebuilt all the way to the key west. >> we could have made it today,

the roads are being cleared. we drove as far as big pine key today. it was heartrending to see what is going on there. the devastation is as bad as everyone has seen on the news. we have had opportunities to talk to people, i actually was able to connect with somebody who was a friend of a family friend and to let them know they were okay. your question was, how long will this take? obviously months if not years, after sandy, where i live up on long island in new york, there is still a bit of recovery happening all of these years later. >> fema is putting up where 25% of the houses in the keys are devastationed. do you like that number? >> well, the destruction we saw today was pretty bad and i think if you combine the communities that are very heavily devastated with the ones in better shape, i don't want to get into questions of percentages but i will tell you the devastation is certainly as bad as we saw in new york after sandy.

and it -- after hurricane ike in houston, along the galveston coastline, it's that bad. >> thank you for that report, it's a sad one, but thank you for being there, craig cooper. up next, hillary clinton speaking up about president trump's firing of director james comey. but she is also after comey herself, saying he cost her the 2012 election 2016 election, wow. we'll be right back. r acceptan" through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. ♪ [bullfighting music] [burke] billy-goat ruffians. seen it. covered it. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪

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when it comes to the self-inflicted wounds, when you look at the list of them and you go through them in the book did you make enough mistakes yourself to lose the election

with all the other things you talked about? >> well, i will say no, matt, i don't think that will surprise you. >> wow, matt asked the right question there, that was of course hillary clinton talking about her 2016 defeat on "the today show" this morning. hillary clinton opened up the fact about the loss, and didn't hold back about who she thought bore the brunt of the blame. >> i think the determining factor was the intervention by comey on october 28th. it stopped my momentum. it drove voters from me. and so i think that in terms of my personal defeat was the most important factor. i was just dumbfounded. i thought what is he doing? the investigation is closed. i know there is no new information. i feel very strongly that he went way beyond his role in doing what he did. >> despite her words on comey, secretary clinton doesn't agree with president trump's firing of

the fbi director. >> when you heard the news that james comey had been fired by president trump what was your immediate reaction? >> he was fired for the wrong reason. >> but should have been fired? >> he should not have been fired for russia. he should have been disciplined, whether or not fired, that is not for me to say but he should have been disciplined for the way that he behaved on the e-mail investigation. >> on the view today, clinton was asked about her 2016 primary rival, bernie sanders. >> i know what it's like to lose because i lost in 2008 to president obama. as soon as i lost, i turned around, i endorsed him. i worked hard for him. i was arguing with my supporters at the denver convention in 2008 about why they had to quit complaining that i didn't win and get out and support barack obama. and i didn't get that respect from him and his supporters. >> let's bring in the "hardball" round table, sophia nelson is a

contributor to msnbc. and msnbc political analyst, and eugene robinson of course is a columnist with "the washington post." i want to ask you here, we have to be somewhat prudent in going with this here, because hillary clinton lost and has the right to blame whoever she wishes, i suppose. how do you calculate one particular thing that cost her the election, when there are so many variables? >> i don't think you can, from her point of view she was way ahead in the polls from the comey intervention, she did seem to have momentum, i get all that. it's not possible to quantify i think, for example, had she done better in wisconsin, michigan, ohio, pennsylvania, she would be president today. well, did the comey intervention only have an impact in those states or you know, it was broader -- how do you pinpoint that? i don't think you can actually

say that. although one can understand why she would feel it. >> i thought it was a good question by matt lauer, he has a way of asking questions with some charm. he got her to say, it's not my fault. which i'm not sure was the total point of the book. i think she wanted to take some blame but i don't think she wanted it to look like it was everybody else's fault. >> i think it's fair to say i'm a republican woman who voted for hillary clinton. and i can tell you there were other republican women i know and other women who were on the fence about her and when the comey thing happened they said i can't do it. i'm not doing the clinton drama again. >> well, that was about anthony weiner, and the laptop, and didn't offer any new information. my problem with comey was, why didn't he just run it through his system, find out if there was anything in the system probative and find out if there

was anything to it, that is all it took. it didn't take ten or 11 days - >> she has a point. the problem is she lost. it may be cathartic for her, but saying she doesn't accept any mistakes, the biggest problem when she said -- the question that lauer asked, did you make mistakes, i think her biggest mistake the campaign she ran looked almost bloodless to what trump was doing. they thought they could follow the playbook and get there and they sort of misread the electorate and a lot of things. that was a big thing. did she make a gaffe every day? no, but that is not what the campaign was about. >> there was a lot of clinton fatigue out there. and let's face it.

she was probably perhaps the best candidate democrats could have put up. but she lost to donald trump. i mean, you know, you can't lose to donald trump. >> but still -- >> and say i didn't make any mistakes. >> i think every time i get up in the morning i say the biggest news happening today is trump as president of the united states. i still can't get over it. it is not the way things work. people generally are offended by the language he used. it was awful. talk about it was a back lash to the way things were. people didn't want to be told -- >> hillary's argument to follow through, she only carried california by 3 or 4 million votes, new york by a couple of million, would she have carried more in those states if this thing had not happened with comey, 5 million for california, four million more in new york. one of you raised the questions, how comme it only affected the

hard hit industrial areas where she lost? >> i don't think it just affected those states, it was a broader impact, but i think it's pretty undeniable that the clinton campaign missed what was happening my tho ing in those s >> but there is a plausible argument when you talk about wisconsin, ohio, you know what it's like, the blue collar territory. she different connect with white voters in this country, let's get the 800 pound elephant out in the room. trump did, he tapped into this frustration, hillary ran a straight laced campaign and didn't connect with people's frustration, the racial tensions, the demographic issues, all of those things were in the room. >> and what would you have said to her three weeks before the campaign, you are not addressing this white anger?

>> there are people that told her that, her husband told her that. she didn't listen. simple, i didn't have anything else i could say. she didn't listen. >> it's also true that if there had been a bigger african-american turnout, obama-level african-american turnout in milwaukee, and columbus and cleveland, in philadelphia, she would be president today. >> i know that. that is another argument. >> and obama had a unique ability to bring people out. >> he is also obama. he was obama. >> what about this bernie -- last stone thrown her by homeland securibernie sanders -- bernie sanders is still out there campaigning, he has more -- you're wincing, but to a lot of people at the other end of the age spectrum like him. >> okay. >> well, i mean -- >> she doesn't like him. >> the democratic party is trying to turn the page and

figure out its identity going forward into next year's election and obviously 2020. and this is just keeping the page turned back to 2016. the bernie/hillary fight, that is really the soul. >> and contending that bernie didn't put his finger on something because he really did. or the candidates who had the position of universal health care. bernie sanders and initially donald -- talked about trade in a different way. bernie sanders and donald trump. >> in all the years of watching this, i have to tell you hillary clinton is one of the few losers who lost primary fights and then went on to really help the general. because bobby, teddy kennedy, they didn't help. they didn't help. anyway, the round table is sticking with us. up next these people tell me something i don't know. vaccine to a child in need through the un foundation. it's that easy to get your flu shot and make a difference.

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. trump watch wednesday, september 13th, 2017. it was another trifecta today on the robert mueller front. the son of michael flynn is the subject of an investigation. remember him? he was the guy pushing the story that the pizza joint down the street was some kind of child prostitution ring. some guy ended up come in there and shooting his gun in the air thinking this was a den of evil. just to give you the picture, it's a familiar live place where

you bring your relatives, whoever, the works and you all grab a long table and keep ordering pizza. yet that michael flynn, the son. as we reported tonight, he's one of the subjects now of robert mueller's probe. you have to wonder what kind of thinking goes own with a guy like that. one who believes conspiratorial nonsense like the pizza story. item two, the senior michael flynn has been caught off base, this time found not reporting a foreign engagement involving saudi arabia and some nuclear facilities in cahoots with a russian company. why does everything have to do with trump and his team, especially his family always end up involved with the russians. reminds me of dennys. you don't start out the evening plaque to go there, you always end up there. finally, you got to love this one. this no comment from flynn's lawyer. we've gotten use to hearing the lawyers around trump's world denying all. the word is always not guilty.

what do we make of the lawyer for trump's former nasa security director now saying no comment when asked if there was collusion with russia. no comment doesn't sound like the battle cry of a winning army. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on all in, another major development in the mueller investigation. >> what report is that. >> tonight, the nbc news exclusive on michael flynn's son becoming the subject of a mueller probe. and congress adam schiff on why he's calling for facebook and twitter to testify in his russia probe. then, why the white house is calling for the firing of an espn anchor who criticized the president. >> something they think is a fireable offense by espn. >> the growing danger for hurricane irma victims stranded without power. and