political ads. this is not people just trolling. >> give them credit for that. a for effort, facebook. thanks to the panel. ed reverend al sharpton and kasie hunt, and that does it for ut. "mtp daily" standards right now. hi, chuck todd. >> i call it my wednesday. >> that's right. sorry. >> see you sunday, then. if it's friday, are we seeing a temporary blip or the start of something truly different for president trump? tonight, president trump tries to take back control of his presidency. dealing with democrats and voicing frustration with republicans. >> if they're unable to stick together, then i'm going to have to get a little help from the democrats, and i've got that. >> but he's still serving up red meat on twitter. is that enough to satisfy his hungry base? finally, my firsthand look at the utter devastation in the u.s. virgin islands. and my conversation with retired

nba player and virgin islands native tim duncan, who's concerned about the american citizens that aren't getting enough help or attention. >> hammer into people's minds that we're going to need the help, support and the rebuilding process to make this place great. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. and happy friday. welcome to "mtp daily." it makes sense if the president's deals with democrats, get in line. the theories this week have gone something like this. punishing mcconnell. no, wait. luring schumer into a trap. wrong. he's just being a pragmatist. nah, stroking his ego. obsessed with good press. come on. this guy was a democrat. wrong. a hard-line republican.

wrong again. actually he's a populist. which explanation is the right one? could it be all of them? you wouldn't be wrong to say mr. trump is populist democrat turned republican sees himself as a nationalist and globalist making deals with democrats to regain control of his republican presidency alienating conservatives who elected him, must to the light of progressives. ab absurd. so is covering the president. arguably he's taken back control part of his presidency. the question, whether the democrats have staying power or not. the answer to that question depends on which version of the president you saw this week. we saw a lot of him this week. he spoke to cameras at least ten times by our count. but still, there's multiple presidents. see what this president has to say about making deals with democrats. >> and the republicans, if they don't stick together i have to do more and more. if they're unable to stick together, then i'm going to have to get a little help from the

democrats, and i got that. >> sounds like that president trump is happy to work with the other side. but if you listen to this president trump on twitter, he wants mitch mcconnell to blow up the ridiculous filibuster rule. so he never has to work with the other side ever again. all right. try daca. you can choose from this president trump -- >> we're working on a plan for daca. people want to see that happen. you have 800,000 young people brought here, no fault of their own. the wall will come later. >> not a fan? then try this president trump. >> ultimately we have to have the wall. if we don't have the wall we're doing nothing. >> if the democrats aren't going to approve it, then we're fought goi not going to do what they want. >> why stop there? you might like shis sound bite. >> i think the wealthy will be pretty much where they are. pretty much where they are. we can do that, we'd like it. if they have to go higher

they'll go higher, frankly. >> or you might like this trump, whose administration actual tax outline would be a tax cut for top earners according to the tax policy center. why stop there? you might like this president who met with senator tim scott, unloaded on him for blaming both sides. white sue prpremacists and anti-fasch ichts or this president trump instead. >> you look at, you know, really, what's happened since charlottesville. a lot of people saying, in fact, a lot of people have actually written. geez, trump might have a point. i said, you got very bad people on the other side, also, which is true. >> look, seems likely these versions of president trump are working in tandem. trump one trying to get something done and needs help from critics including democrats. meanwhile, trump two is trying to keep the base from revolts because of what trump one is doing. if that's the strategy, will it last? will it work? we have very interesting pair of guests to start the show on

this. a democrat rooting for mr. trump to make a deal and conservative radio talk show host who's not so excited. let me kick things off first with democratic congressman henry convey henry cuellar. nice to see you. >> thank you so much. >> let me start with, to have you give the interpretation. i've been asked this question umpteen times just today. which is -- is there a deal on daca? does the border security enhancements that president trump says he's going to get with daca include the wall or not? what is your understanding of what deal or potential deal has been struck or is about to be struck? >> well i can tell you that the president i spoke to a couple days ago, he said wree've got t do daca. it's didn't six days since he made the announcement on daca and says nothing happened. i'm not going to wait for six

months's that was the president that we spoke to. he also said that we are going to have a strong border security. then on his own he mentioned the wall, but he said, the wall, we can talk about it later on a separate bill. that was what he told us among the bipartisan group there mainly blue dogs. i'm one of the co-chairs of the blue dogs we had there. >> you're under the impression that the wall is still something he wants, but he's willing to sign daca without it. how much border security does, does he want, that doesn't count for the wall? i guess -- can you fill in some of those blanks? >> well, again, we've got to start with this, the premise. first of all, we know that this relationship with the president is going to be temporary in nature. i know that. you know, he wants to work with us, because apparently the old strategy that he had about running over democrats hasn't worked very well, even though republicans control the house,

senate and of course the presidency. so he's working with us. i know it's temporary. i do understand that whatever he says might shift from one day to another day. i understand all of that. but, you know, he did say that the wall can be decided at a later time. and not be late with the -- with daca. so that's what we're looking at. can we talk about border security ji of course. as you can see in my background, i live on the border, and i understand that we need border security, but we cannot equate border security to the only way we secure the border is by coming up with a 14th century solution called the wall. >> let me ask you this. so you represent a district that's on the border. is the border safe or not? >> let's look at fbi statistics. if you look at the, a number of murders, using the fbi numbers, the latest numbers that we have, even here in my home town of

laredo auto parts, the murder rate along the border using fbi statistics are three murders per 100,000. look at national crime rate for murders it is 4.5 murders per 100,000. so it's safer on the border. if you want to compare laredo to washington, d.c., if the president wants to focus on violence, he ought to focus on washington, d.c. the murder rate here 3 murders ber 100,000. look at the washington, d.c. murders, it's an 24, 25 murders per 100,000. >> let's talk about -- let me ask you this though. >> using fbi statistics, it's safer on the border talking about murders, rapes, assaults, it is safer using those numbers. >> talk about the drug trade? too porous and how do you stop that and what kind of security measures? one could argue that's the biggest problem we're dealing with, particularly with the opioid crisis? >> without a doubt.

and as long as there is a large con sempgs hesumption here in t. different figures we've seen, $25 billion, $30 billion go back to drug cartels in mexico. long as we have that conception, the bad guys will try to find every single way to get drugs over here. it's a large problem that we have, without a doubt. so you've got consumption. you've got supplies. spending money on just the border, which we spend over $18 billion a year. it's spending money on the one yard line. i've said if you want to play defense, play it on the 20-yard line. work with our friends in the south to make sure that we stop the drugs from coming in. at the same time, keep in mind, consumption is a heavy, heavy driver in this equation. >> let me ask you a final question on daca. is it -- if the president did demand at least a down payment on the wall, some money to at least -- for his mind to get the

potential blueprints, the construction, things like that. that's something he demanded to sign daca is it important enough to you to, to give him that? >> we're not going to do it. we're not going to equate daca to, to a wall. if you want to talk about strong border security, cameras, sensors, given the border patrol enough equipment, having the right number of border patrol, we can do that. i believe in strong border security, but, look. bottom line is this, sir. if you look at the number of people that are here. the 11 million or 12 million undocumented aliens we have, 40% of them, 40% of them, according to homeland, came through a visa, which means if you put "the most beautiful wall" somebody's going to drive through a bridge, somebody's going to fly over go through a ship. using a legal permit or visa and

that wall totally ineffective. we have to find a smarter way of securing the border. let's not look backwards to the 14th century solution. let's look at what's worked to secure borders, and i think technology and a mixture of personnel would be the right way of securing the border. >> all right. congressman, leave it there. thanks for coming on and sharing your views. good to talk to you. >> thank you so much. we have seen some fierce blowback against president trump's overtures to democrats specific on this issue of daca from conservative talk radio. joined by a nationally sindt ka syndicated show. a columnist and comes from the heartland in iowa. nice to see you, sir. >> thanks for having me, chuck. appreciate it. >> now look, let me set viewers straight. you've never been a huge donald trump supporter. were you a ted cruz guy during the iowa caucuses and you've been pretty tough critic on him in general.

walk me through where you are on daca. >> what i think is happening here, is the president beginning with his campaign, chuck, cynically attempted to play on people's angst and passions for his own political mazenations. and didn't truly understand what's driving people in between los angeles and the beltway and why they're concerned. i wrote about this today for "usa today." the average daca recipient makes about $36,000 a year, if employed. 51% of working americans don't make that much money a year. their wages stagnated observer over 20 years. i'm a product of a single mom. one of my employees, wife lost her job with media cutbacks. came to me and asked, hey, can i go on company insurance? today i got the price quote back from our insurance thanks to obamacare. it would cost me another $1,300

a month out of my own pocket to put him on my insurance. i simply can't afford that and a lot of americans, chuck, are glad to see that this country is a beacon of hope and liberty for people around the world like it was for their ancestors. this isn't about mass deportation. people want to know, when is it americans' turn to have people wonder what's in it for them? when do their xrobs come back? wages grow that's what it's about, chuck. >> you said you thought that -- candidate donald trump was cynical in how he played to this. one hand tapped into the frustration you just expressed. >> uh-huh. >> do you think his supporters are just -- have been conned? >> yeah. that's exactly what i think. i mean, i've been saying this for a year and a half. i was -- one of the first people, trump and his folks came to, because of where i live, and the role i play in the caucuses. several years ago. way back in 2013. when they thought about running. and you know, i flirted with the idea of supporting him out of a

lot of anger at chamber of commerce, corporate republicans cynically want cheap labor for donors regardless what's best for the middle class in america and after spending time with him, clear he doesn't believe a lot of what he says. you pointed it out in the opening of his clip. i'm actually here fighting for the very themes that the 65 million people who voted for him last year actually voted for him for. i just wish maybe he'd actually start fighting for them. obamacare is still here. we have record debt. when i was never trump, chuck, they told moo we'd have also city, record debt and obamacare. and guess what? they were right. >> pretty tough. let me ask you this. we have seen in various polling, seen it in ours and others, where there is a split between folks like yourself who weren't supporters of him from the beginning, and those who were onboard from the beginning. his supporters are giving him

leeway on this. his supporters share your frustration with the establishment republican wing. and seem to trust his instincts to punish them if it means doing deals every once in a while with democrats. they do seem to be giving him a longer leash than him. what's wrong with that? >> i think we are misreading the leash. what is their alternative, chuck? what's the alternative? more obamacare care? more debt? more taxes? we have wars over who gets to use which bathroom. that's, planned parenthood is jesus. essentially what hillary clinton ran on last year. there's no alternative. nowhere for these people to go, and so they went to somebody that frankly most of them think may be nuts and/or completely dishonest to try and send the beltway a message. will someone please, finally listen to us and our concerns. we do most of the living, dying and bill paying around here. we don't want to see people

deported. e want to see people prosper and we want to pro prosper, too, chuck. >> interesting you say that. because you did have a slice of trump voters who weren't so ideological. maybe not the same conservative views you have, but so frustrated they would like to see a shake-up and they don't hate what he's doing with the democrats. not because maybe they agree with it, because they think, well, at least it's shaking up washington. in that sense, isn't he delivering on that promise? >> well, the problem is, the prioritization. he risked losing the coalition. right. it's a material coalition. this is why they should have started with obamacare. they should have started with taxes and then address this issue -- >> they tried to start with obamacare. >> he didn't try. chuck, you -- >> congress couldn't get it done. >> well, that's the problem. he outsourced it and blamed them for the problem. and i'm no paul ryan fan but team sow recall, you were there,

chuck. barack obama campaigned a year coming off a much bigger campaign than trump had. campaigned around the country a year to get his party to vote for obamacare at 2:00 a.m. on christmas eve end of 2009. trump put in no political capital at all. he cynically jumped on twitter today to rip espn hoping that that's chum in the water for his base to forget they're betraying him. it's time to stop pretending in portraying a president. time to start actually being one. >> all right. leave it there. tough words from you there in the heartland. thanks for coming up. appreciate you sharing your views. >> thanks, chuck. coming up, well, how long can president trump's flirtation with democrats last? who gives up on him first? the left or the right? reaction from our panel.

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welcome back. bring in tonight's panel. joshua johnson host of an mpr show. joining us first time. welcome. and partner of on message and a national political reporter for the "new york times" and msnbc contributor. so the first word. >> all right. >> what is the president trying to do? which president trump are we seeing? is this the guy we've actually been covering the last two and a

half year? more mercurial than we think or are we overrating him? >> i think we're seeing the real one. we've known about president trump from the beginning, an opportunist. goes where the opportunity is. doesn't have particular allegiance necessarily to people in this party. not afraid to criticize republicans, some to berate according to recent reporting from the "new york times." it's left a lot of people feeling nervous about the policy issues. npr richard gonzalez had a piece how the d.r.e.a.m.ers are worried where daca will go seems so opportunistic. i always think about that maya angelou quote. someone shows you who they really are, believe them the first time. the president has been pretty consistent. i try not to find patterns of what he does and take him day by day. >> what are you seeing? what are republicans seeing? >> in the campaign he broke both sets of china. you know what i mean? he broke the republican shelf and democratic shelf.

why is anyone surprised he's being a little unconventional in the way he's handling it here? also it could end up being the best discipline the republicans in congress have ever had. if they realize he'll go to the democrats and round up his numbers, big incentive for the freedom caucus and house moderates to come to accommodation. see what happens. >> that's interesting. what do you say? >> everybody is right. >> what do you think? >> i think that i -- i go back to this interview that happened on the hill this week we reported on in the "new york times," and that person said that donald trump could be to daca what richard nixon was to china. this idea that while you have this person that is problematic and has all of these issues going on, if donald trump can do what two presidents have failed to do, pass immigration reform and change the system, then maybe whatever the chaos was that he continues to live in, that there's somewhere in there is someone who also likes to make deals. if there are deals that can be made, then he's obviously

willing to go with anybody doing it. when you listen to chuck schumer say, i think he really likes me and i think i know how to talk to him. we have reporting now that chuck schumer basically listed the sins he thought president trump had committed, pulling out of the paris accord. his conversations after, after charlottesville. the idea, chuck schumer is going into the white house, limp, i'm a new york guy. going to tell you the problems have. here's how to fix them and the president is responding to that. >> i do think schumer is right. i do think the president probably does enjoy talking to chuck schumer than mitch mcconnell and paul ryan. that relationship is strained. >> more preexisting. schumer predates his relationship with either ryan or mcconnell. the other issue, daca presents a huge opportunity, and the nixon and china that you mentioned, not a lack of consensus in the republican party. >> seems there is.

i argue, a 345 jomajority in the and senate. >> and most republicans who wanted to solve daca didn't trust obama to implement but can trust a republican administration to do it. that doesn't help the anti-immigration hawks on the right, but that's not most of the republicans in congress. >> joshua, an interesting test, though, between who does control the trump base? talk radio? is it rush limbaugh? anne kou coulter? who has the feel for this? does the president have more of a hold on them and they will trust him? okay. trust him on daca? >> remember how the president built that base. he built it partly on a very strong sense of salesmanship in what he would do achieve. that rally, i alone can fix it. it wasn't so much about hard policy. but this is where policy kind of comes in. i don't know that, that these are an apt comparison. look at the people who get fired

up at the rally. they weren't necessarily just fired up over the president's promises. they were fired up over the now president getting people to set torches and pitchforks on nbc's katy tur, for example. i will be interested to see whether this is a time he realizes, oh, i'm not quite sure how to navigate this. maybe nav -- no. well, maybe, chuck -- maybe he's figuring it out in terms of making this agenda come together. >> but every time we think this, every time. i mean, i think in some ways, it's usually trump himself who changes the narrative. no matter what. you think, oh, everything's going over here. zig, zig, zigs and all of the sudden zags. anybody counting on him. interesting what claire said. i don't know if i trust everything yet. in the same way republicans are like -- i don't know if i trust everything yet. >> this -- the way that the president acts reminds me of this quote that a voter told me. a voter told me that, i'm voting

for donald trump because he's a wild card and the guy with the hot hand right now. that literally, i think, encompassed what trump voters wanted. what they -- they knew they were getting. they knew they weren't getting a classic republican who would go and only talk to mitch mcconnell and paul ryan. understand they're dealing with somebody making quick decisions, trying to figure what's best for him and convinced what's best for donald trump is also what's best for the country, that donald trump will continue to weigh what's best for america. so if that's the case, and his voters are going to stick with him because they fundamentally believe while he's making hot hand decisions, in the back of his mind thinking about the middle class american. >> doesn't that encapsulate exactly how republicans and folks like yourself misread the republican electorate when it came to trump and democrats misread independents denmi misread independents. shake up the middle of the election than either party

realized? >> trump a warning shot. base firing a warning the show, but he was a trick play. desperates to win the football game. tired of losing, he was a double flea pfleger reverse trick play and voters willing to take a shot on it, thought a better chance than doing the same thing all over again. >> living the trick play. >> there it is. >> and liking the trick play. >> so far, eventually people look for the trick play and it stops working. we'll see. thanks for sticking around. and irma. want to know what a category 5 likes like? go to the virgin islands. michael bloomberg and st. croix native nba tim duncan. using their platform to help them recover, ahead. >> people here are strong, is a

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welcome back. the u.s. virgin islands felt hurricane irma at its full category 5 strength. winds 185 miles per hour. gust it's over 200. intense storm damage. the surge almost everything in sight damaged. destruction immense across st. john in particular st. thomas as well and of course other islands that belong to other countries.

residents are starting to pick up the pieces while wondering if their territory's life blood tourism will ever get back on track. i travelled the island yesterday with new york mayor bloomberg, and assisting in the rebuilding efforts and a chance to talk with the mayor about the devastation, his expertise dealing with disasters and more, and while unleading supplies asked about scott pruett's condition, this is not the appropriate time to talk about the changing climate. >> one of the epa administrators seemed to say this was not the right time to talk about climate change. obviously this is a passionate issue for you. in particular. what did you make of that comment? >> i don't know where he's coming from, and i think we can spend our time focusing on the future rather than just criticizing him, but what's clearly happening in this world. the oceans are warmer, meaning the storms are bigger. that's where they get their

energy. regardless how you call it, climate change, environmental or the not. whatever you call it. the fact of the matter is out of the last 17 hottest years on record, 16 of them have been since 2001. >> why can't that be a unification point, everybody agrees, yeah. smarter with storm prep whether you agree this is man made or not? >> number one, it's the president's job, leaders of every country's job to explain to the public. even if we're not sure, the consequences if it is true are so horrendous you have to take out some insurance. you don't think you're going to die. neither do i, but we both get life insurance policies just in case. that's the first thing to think about. not an argument about what's really happening. there's a possibilities of something happening. take action, get yourself ready in case. >> also traveling with us, tim duncan, five time nba champ on the trip, of course, born and

raised in st. croix. lived through the destruction of hurricane hugo in 1989. despite staying out of the spotlight he wrote an 5r8-oarti "don't forget about the islands." including a substantial donation from his own pocket. i talked to him while on a ferry about his experiences in the u.s. virgin islands. >> reporter: tell me about hugo. >> ah, and -- having flashbacks? >> exactly. absolutely. looking around, seeing the trees. everything's brown. all the leaves are gone. seeing the boats that are overturned, and out there, without their masts, in the harbor. with people scrambling trying to get their lights back to clean everything up. a lot of it is very familiar.

>> reporter: look, you had experience. you watched the recovery not go fast enough and recoveries never go fast enough. if you were to give advice, the governor, mayor bloomberg asking your advice. as somebody that's a resident and watched this recovery process, how do you do this? >> at that point, when i was going through it, that's a hypothetical question. you want it to be back, get back to normal, everything back up. you focus needs to be an infrastructure that doesn't allow this to happen. to happen as badly. because storms are going to continue to come. it's -- we live in a caribbean. storms come through. we have a hurricane season for a reason. that's why it's called that. so putting it back together, building it back the right way. building it strong to make sure that when it comes through the next time, that this much destruction doesn't happen. >> reporter: how do you -- you

know, you come over here and think, this is america. when you look at some of the infrastructure and think, have we let this atrophy a little bit? >> you know -- >> reporter: what could we be doing better proactively as a country? >> it is. exactly. it's america. these are u.s. citizens, and -- i think when things don't happen for a long time you kind of forget about it. i think the same thing we always say, six months from now, this will still be going on. we can't forget this. it's going to happen. something that doesn't happen foreten years, you get lackadaisical with it, but we know now. we know the kind of destruction in the forefront and continue to hammer at the people that we're going to need the help, support and the radio building process to make this place great. >> reporter: i saw the power of your celebrity just walking by. we were -- going to that one

public housing building and people were cleaning up, and you brought a smile. obviously, you can do that. what more do you think you can do here? what more -- >> i'm trying to be kind of a lightning rod, just something that people -- can see and i can put my face in front of people so people don't forget. people don't just sweep it under their rug or, again, six months from now just say, oh, it's gone. whatever. >> reporter: how much family do you have here still? >> i have -- some family here. i have -- grew up on st. croix. that's more home for me. this is the virgin islands. i'm a virgin islanders and that's why i'm here. >> you live in texas. just saw this two weeks ago and -- how can we bring that same spirit, that same spirit that we saw in texas -- here. >> it's here. >> reporter: it's here? >> yeah. people here are strong.

the people here are supportive. the people here are finding a way to river. >> reporter: your peer, supporting you? >> absolutely. unbelievable support from -- from the people i've known just -- over the years. over my career. and blessed to know. they've come out of the woodworks and not being from here or knowing of here, they know me. they support me and they've done just that. so wonderful response. >> reporter: all right, tim. thanks. >> see more from my tour of the u.s. virgin islands and discussion with michael bloomberg this sunday on "meet the press." if it's sunday, all of a sudden exclusive interviews with both senators bernie sanders and tom cotton. talk about how both parties seem to be fracturing before our eyes on different issues. that's this this on your local nbc station. still ahead on "mtp daily." time for facebook to fess up. stay tuned. you can get $3,500 off a hard day's play...

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and denies that event. this morning president trump tweeted espn should apologize bringing us to, one other clarification. sarah huckabee sanders seemed to be referring to what happened to kurt shilling got the same warning jemele got. and the argument espn makes, he kept violating the political ban, essentially on twitter. for those wondering, is this equating? not equating? that's where espn is on this. joshua, this is, we've got the politics of everything. politics has been infused into sports and entertainment and all of this. we get maybe why the president is doing this. what should espn do? >> i think that, i don't think,

i don't know what espn should do because espn now is a different company than what it was with kurt schilling. i went back through quarterly earnings for the walt disney corporation. if you go back a year, the only reference is nor lower revenues or lower profits. fewer people are watching the games. nba games, nfl games cost more to air. it would be so easy to cut her loose. espn has never really dwelt this intersection between politics and sports. i hope they're smart enough to recognize that the same people who are cutting the cords to go from cable to internet won't come back if they get rid of her. the problem is larger. and dealing with thin creasingly diverse america has figured out that politics and sports have been inextricably linked since the olympics. you can't pretend you don't

exist in this country as the rest of us. >> and what's interesting, espn hired jemele hill to do, i don't want to say an pint sports the center but it was clear that it was -- >> it was the same company that put rush limbaugh on monday night football. they've done had before. i'm a first amendment guy. i think she should say what she wants to say. if i'm the media department, they don't take political ads in the middle of football season their program. they want to avoid controversial subjects. so that test you that somebody in the brass at espn a little bit hingy about what direction the company is going. >> the first is that we have sarah huck by sanders using the podium to talk about firing a private citizen. that to me is problematic. that to me borders on bullying from the white house. >> in your mind, that's a separate issue. >> i don't know if it is

separate but it is one issue of the the second issue is that we have reports that espn is looking at an african-american woman saying let's pull her and add another black people to that spot because maybe no one will notice. african-american journalists, some of they will are part of association that i'm part of, african-american journalists are taking a stand and saying we are not interchangeable. you cannot take one of us out and put in another one and say we've fixed the problem. what espn should do, i have to say that i think she should be employed, if the standard is that you get a warning and then if you continue to violate, you get fired. that should be how a woman, a black woman on espn should be treated. >> or a white man. >> yes, but in this case it is a black wol. >> espn has been spiriting wi, e been experimenting with different ways to do sports

center. jemele is a highly talented journalist. espn could find another place to put her. they have 11 different channels as it is. to just cut her loose would send a real message that they're not ready to deal with. >> this is a very divided country. we disagree vehemently. one thing we can still agree on is sports. i don't know. >> we still root for the same teams. and i think it is a mistake for espn to go down this road and decide to jump in the pool with the rest of the country. >> but can you -- i hear you on that. but can you avoid it? when you do have this? look. i just had tim duncan on. greg popovich is a guy not afraid to talk politics either. it seems like that genie is out of bottle. >> i think so many people are energized talking about

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