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and harvard law school from which he joined the united states after army after 9/11. he served a tour in afghanistan as well before leaving the army and joining the battle for sanity in washington, d.c. elected in 2012, cotton ran and won his senate seat in 2014. now from the senate intelligence committee he has become a frequent visitor to the oval office. one of the legislators is said by many to trust. thank you for joining me this morning. >> thank you, hugh. good to be on with you this morning. >> you know terms are four years. even though this has been rocky, how do you make a four-year term in this president's successful? >> it is important we try to deliver on the agenda that the president campaigned and we campaigned in the congress. we're working right now on tax reform to put more money in the pockets of working class americans and getting our

economy growing again. also working on long-term budget solutions so we can fund our military just like the president promised on the campaign. and then there are things from which he deviated. on immigration, for instance. i long believe our immigration policy doesn't serve the interest of american citizens and american workers. the president saw that as well campaign. it is important that we help him tkhreuf on that agenda. if we do that, we will be successful in 2018 and the president will be successful in 2020. >> i want to demonstrate exact lu how much we're talking about how much when it comes to immigration. in 1970, 9.6 million immigrants. 4.7% of the population. in 2015, it had 43.3 million eupl glands, 1immigrants.

people in daca not necessariesly in accordance of their will. what do you make of the overall trend and how does daca fit into that and what does it do to both? >> it has quadrupled the last 40 years. it is is not just the size but what they bring to this country. the vast majority of the immigrants have been unskilled and low skilled worker. only 1 in 15 come to this country because of their job skills. i don't think it is a coincidence therefore the last 40 years if you work with your hands or on your feet, you have to take a shower after work and not before work, that your wages have been stagnant or declining. that's wahy the r.a.i.s.e. act re-orients our legal immigration system. from unskilled and low skilled workers to the high skilled

workers our economy needs. it simply awards points for english language, education level, the type of degree, one's age, the value of the job offer you have relative to the local economy and so on and so forth. that will guarantee we are getting workers filling needs in the high-tech industry or on medical industry. but also note bringing workers to take jobs from americans or to depress american wages when so many have been struggling. >> overall league immigration in your opinion have to drop significantly or is it on okay at the levels it has been at. >> at this point it's elevated and should decline. i'm more motivated. the biggest thing besides reoriented is stopping family chain migration. if you become a green cardholder, you can basically bring in everyone in your

extended family. the only limitation is the time it takes. >> this is one of your objections to a simple daca. >> absolutely. most americans believe we should encourage the reuniting of spouses and unmarried children but not one's entire family, parents and siblings who can bring in their spouses and children and their parents and so forth. that's why 14 out of 15 out of the million plus we give have is no relation to skills, job salary, what have you. that will be a side effect of cot tpaoeug. they can legalize their parents as well. we say we would be willing to give legal status to the people in their 20s and 30s today because they came here through no fault of their own. the fault lies with their parents. those are the ones who brought

them here. we shaorpbt find a new way to legalize the illegal way they got here in the first place. and you would also encourage future illegal immigration with children which is dangerous and immoral when you look at, for instance -- >> you have less than a month to finish off this session. are you going to get to a deal on daca and the border barrier security issue by the end of the year? >> i don't think we will get to a buyer columbus day recess. he with may by the end of the year. no one who currently holds a daca work permit has to worry about losing that status until the first of march. people are able to seek renewal for two or three weeks. that gives congress the time you to work on a bipartisan compromise. i don't think we can pass the kind of comprehensive amnesty first legislation that failed

not just in 2013 but in 2007 and 2006. somewhere in between those is what we have to pass. i think we should pass something that cod guys the daca program and deters it in the future. >> level of confidence that such a bill will happen? >> i'm pretty confident. >> oh. >> i think most democrats are committed to solve the daca program. i discussed this over the month. we knew this was coming, we knew the r.a.i.s.e. act was to upset the negative side effects of daca. if people get past the emotions, the pps, not based on facts as we discussed earlier with the graphic that you showed and focus on the facts and the right policy, i think we can get a bill. again, it doesn't solve every problem. but sit a sensible measure that takes in decremental process. >> putting aside the ups and

downs of the authorization act, all the budget control act maneuvering, are you confident by the end of the year the budget control will be no more. >> i certainly hope so, hugh. this is the single most important thing we can do for our military, eliminate the sequester for defense spending. this sequester is automatic spending cuts. if spending exceeds caps that were eupl monthsed six years ago. the budget control act is not the constitution. the congress is not the constitutional convention. we should not allow our hands to be tied by something they passed in 2011 in a vastly different circumstance before russia meddled in our campaigns, before china built militaryized islands, before north korea had tested intercontinental ballistic missiles. before syria had become the epic civil war radiating throughout the middle east. they had $100 billion in free cash. we should not allow hands to be

tied by what was passed in 2011. we should settle our budget based on the threats we have today and strategy needed to counteract. >> that brings me to where i want to end. >> like me, the president was a civilian. you're a warrior. you've been in contact. you have been in the heart of baghdad where people are shooting at you. do you have confidence in the president as commander in chief? >> i do. he has handled himself pretty well so far. north korea is not a problem president trump is making. it is one of president clinton in 1994 he signed a deal with north korea that is probably just as bad as the iran deal that president on 'bama signed. we kukked the can down the road with president bush and owe mow bottom ma's obama's tenure.

it is the best option we have right now while secretary mattis and generdunford work on keepin pressure up on kim jong-un as well. >> how do you communicate the likelihood of an action over north korea in the next three to six months. >> they have done a good job communicating that. kim jong-un and his patron ping has to know we have the capability to eliminate the kim regime. not many americans are willing to allow holding the united states at risk with a nuclear armed missile. >> it is an organized crime family with one product to sell or two. pneumonia hrar weapons or icbms. we can't allow that to continue. >> they have a long history with

outlaw regimes. i don't think many americans are willing to live under that threat. i know that many with whom i speak are not willing to live under that threat. >> how many hours do you spend? >> we monitor closely to make sure our military and intelligence have the resources and legal authorities they need to keep us safe. >> dangerous times. i'm glad you're there. senator tom cot tofpb, thank you for joining me. >> thank you, hugh. for 100 year,

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it encourage you or discourage you about america? >> i think the thing that was most impressive when i drove up in the convention center where they were housing a lot of people, there were signs up that said please no more donations. we can't handle any more. volunteers, people coming out. but also in some of the neighborhoods that we were able to get into and see all the stacks of debris in front of the houses. they were helping each other. we're going to do this house. we're going to go into this house. and that spirit of cooperation is wonderful, particularly in light of the division that we have seen in the country recently. >> that division is overstated. >> it is not overstated. there really is a lot of division in this country. it's not because the people are bad people, it is because people

are stoking the fires. remember on the playground in third grade, everybody was having a good time and then somebody would come up and say did you hear what he said about your momma? that's stoking the flames. >> you're a man of faith. do you believe that faith animates most of that citizen roft? >> i think it has a lot to do with it. you think historically, whenever there is a disaster in the world, who is at the front of the line to aid people? we are. and you look at the number of places that we have that give out aid. you look at the early history of this country when we had these incredibly rich people, vanderbilts, carnegiess, mellons. what did the people in this

country do? they built the transcontinental railroad, the ports, textile mills, promoted the most dynamic middleclass there ever was. built libraries and universities. it's the way we are. i think that's one of the reasons we rose to the pinnacle of the world in record time. >> we have a large government. you had $15 billion in relief aid for harvey. half of that or some amazing amount of money went to hud. can you control the corruption that inevitably follows that much money from the federal government. >> well, that is something i have been working on very hard in the six months that i've been there, putting safeguards into place. we're reimagining the way hud actually works and bringing personal responsibility to people in various segments. i believe you will see a lot less of that from now on. >> i hope you're right. i want to ask you about a specific group. adults with disabilities.

housing them is difficult. there is the a.b.l.e. act. not count housing assistance from families against their a.b.l.e. act mandated limits before they go off disability. when are the regs going to show up? >> well, they are being examined right now. we do recognize there is a societal responsibility for compassionate society, which we are. for those who are disabled, for those who are very elderly, who can't take care of themselves. that will never be an issue as far as i'm concerned, certainly not while i'm there. i do recognize that there is some discrimination going on. we're looking carefully to make sure that is not going to happen. it will be taken care of. >> president obama issued controversial fair housing regulations that had to do with

proving discrimination by data. are you examining that? >> we are. we have gone into communities that are quite peaceful where everybody is happy we're saying you have a problem with discrimination. they say, no, we don't. yes, you do. you just don't understand you have one. we're going to make you go through this whole exercise. then we'll find it. then you've got to fix it. i think when we get to the point where we have no other problems that we have to deal with, maybe we can go there. >> what is the animas be mind trying to find the discrimination? >> i think it has something to do with the divisiveness going on. there are groups of people who tend to ascribe bad motives to everybody about everything.

no matter what it is. you're racist, ho homophobe, whatever phobe. i think if we spend that much energy looking how we can do things, how we can improve the lives of everyone and spend time helping people to understand that in this country if we have more successful, moving up the ladder of success rather than people under our thumb, we would be much better off as a nation. >> you dropped thousands of people. you're an inspiring person because you came from nothing. dirt poor poverty. is hud doing anything that you can quantify or articulate to help break cycles of poverty that you did? >> certainly. >> what has it done? tell us about it.

>> what are the big initiatives is envision centers. without a vision, people perish, it says in the bible. we want communities, you go into the public housing communities, you asked what do you want to do when you grow up? you may get five answers but there are 1,000. they will be mentorship programs. many studies have shown those who are mentored have a much higher high school graduation rate. >> is this a ben carson idea? >> this has been something that has been with me for a very long time. but also our friend steve harvey has been thinking about this. >> did president trump buy-in? >> president trump is buying in. i haven't found anybody who is not buying in once you explain

the concept to them. sit not a partisan issue. it is an issue of how do we develop all of our people. everybody is going to become part of the load or part of the engine. the more people that are part of the engine, the faster we go. >> when do envision centers start to pop up? >> we expect to open the first one in detroit before the end of this year. >> in detroit? not ohio. you michigan people. dr. ben carson, thank you so much for joining me. a real pleasure. i'll be right back. day 13. if only this were as easy as saving $600

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good morning, everyone. i'm alex whit at msnbc world headquarters at the half hour for you. of here's what we're watching. in britain, police have made a significant address with yesterday's subway bombing and a massive manhunt for possible others continues. hundreds of soldiers are being deployed along with 1,000 more armed police officers. the terror threat has been raised to the highest level. another attack could be imminent. yesterday's bombing injured 29