"game of thrones" actor, and without further ado, "am joy" starts right now. good morning. welcome to "am joy." well, trump is up early this morning retweeting what could be described as odd. and also this clip. yeah. he tweeted that out. retweeted it this morning. we are going to so get to that during the show, believe me. but first this is 666 fifth avenue, just blocks away from msnbc's headquarters in new york. an aging 41-floor skyscraper that trump's son-in-law and top adviser bought for $1.8 billion. experts say he overpaid. that was before the great

recession dropped the property's value by a lot. now the kushner business is strapped. not enough tenants to cover the payments and a bill that comes due in 18 months. that may explain why kushner has been on a globe-trotting honey hunt. the problem is the role in the white house of kushner has made that property shyed away from. we brought you on to talk about donald trump and jared kushner, but i can't resist asking you about his tweet storm this morning. donald trump went on a little tear and we will get into it later in the show. a train with a hat, and donald

trump hitting a golf ball and hit hitting hillary clinton with it. what is going on in his head? >> you may wonder what he ate for dinner. it's not presidential. he's short of gestured this morning at rocketman in new yoryor york -- in north korea, and all of it, i think it's a little beneath the dignity of the office. we have gotten used to this with him to a certain extent, and in the last couple of weeks he has shown restraint and there's been an argument that that is because of kelly's influence in the white house, and he magically helped to manage the president. but this is not a president that is easily managed.

>> and we are going to be singing "rocket man" all morning. and donald trump had put a lot of trust in jared kushner, and he has been globe trotting around the world, and here's just some of the business dealings, he met with the former prime minister of qatar, and when that didn't work out, that fell off the list, and we don't know -- we are still trying to unfold it all. do you get the sense that donald trump is allowing jared kushner to go around the world negotiating for the united states in part as a way the allow him to also try to get investors for his business? >> well, we will have to ultimately find out the question to that question through the

mueller investigation. we still don't know a lot about what the communication was between the president and his son-in-law. what we do know, and as you pointed out this morning, there's a real danger of a possible quid pro quo in which the president's son-in-law is using the family's newly found power to feather their nest. in the kushner's case, it's not trying to make money but prevent a financial disaster in wrapping the entire family. 666 fifth avenue was an enormous mistake by jared kushner. he did over pay it and he was able to refinance the debt in 2007, and that gave him a decade or so of breathing room before the piper came calling. fortunately for him, an intervening event happened before the time ran out, his father-in-law became president. we know kushner already tried to

arrange refinancing with chinese investors, and when my friends at bloomberg bought light to those negotiations, they blew up. you have exactly the same issue with the russians. with the added magic here, of course, that donald trump during the 2016 campaign saw lio list identify. and i want to bring in our panel. thank you guys all for being here. i want to go to you on the same question of jared kushner. this was jared kushner back in july, july 24th, speaking --

which is something he doesn't do a lot in public and talking about russia. >> i did not collude with russia, nor do i know of anybody else in the campaign who did so. i had no improper contacts. i have not relied on russian funds for my businesses. i have been fully transparent in providing all requested information. >> scott, you do a lot of digging about jared kushner and his business dealings in russia, and is any of that true? >> no, he colluded with russia, and i think that has been proven at this point, and whether or not that was criminal. >> when you say he colluded with russia, what do you mean? >> i think he partnered with russia in an effort to undermine the u.s. election. >> what specifically would he have done to do that? >> running the online operation program with russia in tandem, and targeting things on facebook

and on twitter to try and undermine the election. >> the idea, of course, we know that none of this has been proven by bob mueller yet, and the idea is jared was in charge of the online trump campaign, and could the russians figured that out on their own, is that what you are getting at? >> exactly. >> the other piece of the kushner puzzle is this question, he said he had no improper contacts, and we do know he had a couple meetings that have come out, and that meeting in trump tower with john -- donald jr. and others. is there a circumstantial case here that some of what these meetings were about is 666 fifth avenue? >> this is why you don't mix family politics and business. we don't want the united states,

the presidency, to be operating they operate in russia and elsewhere around the world. this is also problematic for us culturally in the united states and that's what the mueller investigation is getting into. they are getting into it in partnership with the state attorney general of new york and that's key when we talk about the 666 building. that's new york real estate issues that allows a state crime potentially, a state challenge to be coming in a federal investigation on, say, manafort, he gets pardoned by trump. so jared kushner could still end up being criminally liable for these contacts with russia in a way his father-in-law cannot intervene. >> and having worked at the state department, when you say the way the khrep top krau sees operate, what do you mean by that, what is similar in the way he's doing diplomacy and hunting

for investors? >> it's kwequid pro quo. it really does end up being a diplomatic way of asking for a bribe. >> you know, the political sort of payroll that trump is in here, this is family. jared kushner is not just an adviser, and he could fire him but he could still be family. that exposure makes it difficult for donald trump. do you get the sense just from observing him over this period of time that trump will have his loyalty to kushner outweigh that kushner is a risk to his presidency? >> he will show jared the same he did to his two wives. he cheated on them and dumped them. trump likes to present jared

kushner has this smooth guy when mueller, i think, sees it more between idiot son fraydo, and the son that got whacked at the end. perhaps the russians saw this, and perhaps even asked his father-in-law for help for. i think mueller sees that as well. trump will eventually dump him, as some of the leaks already suggested. >> you have covered trump a long time. how loyal is he in your view to jared kushner? >> i don't think donald trump is loyal to anybody ultimately but himself. his family has often been an exception to that rule, and in the white house, jared kushner and ivanka trump are the first among equals, and that predates

robert mueller's investigation. and jared kushner is a liability to the president in the course of the investigation. we know from "the wall street journal"'s reporting, his attorneys considered ejecting kushner from the white house a few months ago because of concerns that he was a legal liability. i think that's going to continue to be a problem. the temp you referenced earlier saying there was no collision or business deals discussed. let's remember at one of his meetings brokered by the russian ambassador, michael flynn attended that meeting with him, and if michael flynn was under surveillance through e-mail or telephone contacts during that time, investigators are going to have information about what took place at those meetings via flynn that ran contrary to what kushner cold congress. >> there's multiple points of

contact with russians, russian businesses and investors. is that as true for jared kushner as it seems to be true for donald trump? >> in some cases it seems to be more true for kushner to have these sort of connections. it seems that some of his best friends are russians. he vacations in russia with ivanka, and he worked with russians and at the end of the day, this guy is a billionaire. he's not a guy that doesn't have lawyers look at every single thing he has ever done. when you submit paperwork that leaves out over 400 russian contacts and meetings, there's something sinister there. >> yeah, it's the inescapable problem we have, he filled out this paperwork and left out 400 contacts. >> he is sitting in the west wing right now with active access to high intelligence and

then can turn around and hand it off to people so he can potentially get money for his building. >> you talked to some of the republican members of congress from down in florida. why is there not a call for jared kushner to lose his security clearance? >> i think there has been in certain circles. by and large, you have to remember, kushner in many respect is the ultimate gatekeeper in the white house. trump presented him as a wonder kid that will solve every problem in the administration, and the center of the spoke of the wheel and that is why all aspects keep coming back to him. i want to come back and remind the viewers of an interesting development in the mueller case here, and this is being set up as a showdown to target donald trump, jr., and kushner. this speaks to me about a focus to try and get one to flip on the other. that's why this question that you asked earlier, the right question, where are trump's

loyalties here. at the end of the day blood will be thicker than water and you will see trump jr. turn on kushner until mueller gets to him first. >> the plot thickens. thank you. tim o'brien and scott, and thank you friends and have a great regs of your day. up next, the great katy tur will tell us what it's like to be on the trail with trump. stay with us. so was your doctor's appointment at a steakhouse?

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she's back there, what a lie it was. katy tur -- what a lie it was from msnbc to have written that. >> there's something happening. they're not reporting it. you are not reporting it, katy, there's something happening, katy. >> our very own katy tur. her new back "unbelievable," my front row seat. and she is talking about and telling us what she thought about the year and a half on the trump trail. katy tur is with us now. we get to see each other in new

york and 30 rock. first of all, i love your dedication, for the love of god. i will tell everybody, katy is my friend, and this book is a page turner. my producer and i both agreed. >> it's just here is a ridiculous story about what we saw on the campaign trail last year. >> one of the things you do in the book is you don't do it in order. you jump back and forth between the election night and the party, and that topsy-turvy feeling. >> yeah, you will turn a page and you forget what you read the page before, and that's what the campaign was like. i talk about that great quote, it's a constant struggle to see what's in front of your nose. >> yeah. >> it's a constant struggle to

recall what's in the back of your mind. >> and even things you know very well. i want to play a sound bite. zoom out a little bit and talk about your role in it. this is donald trump, russia, if you are listening. >> russia, if you are listening, i hope you are able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. let's see if that happens. that will be next. >> there was your interaction during that presser, and talk about that? >> this was when hillary clinton was getting all the attention. donald trump likes to be in the center of the room and get all the attention. he comes and takes the stage and he starts bashing hillary clinton, and at one point he says that russia, if you are listening, i want you to find those e-mails. i raised my hand thinking, is he serious? does he really want a foreign government to look into the e-mails, to hack into the

e-mails, of not just hillary clinton but anybody in this country? why would he want a foreign government getting involved in the politics, and so i pushed him on it and thinking if he's joking about it, he could say i am joking or being hyperballic, and he stood his ground. i said, does it give you pause? he said no, it does not give me pause and then told me to be quiet. >> he is either relentlessly nasty to women and attacks them or has a weird fixation. with you he had both. he would attack you and then try to draw you in. this is donald trump with you on mornin "morning joe." >> katy tur, what happened?

>> i didn't know him at all. i don't think -- i presumed he did not know who i was, but he called me out from the stage saying katy, you are not paying attention, needing to be the center of attention back then. and then he would call me out from the stage and say i am not reporting something accurately or didn't like the poll numbers i was talking about. or he would say i was great and try to introduce me to a crowd almost as if i was his wife. and it was like a kiss on the cheek. it's not assault or anything, but it's deeply uncomfortable because this is not a friend of minor minor -- mine, or -- it felt like it crossed a line. nobody will take me seriously if

they think i am cozying up to him, and i was horrified to think the cameras might have caught it, and they did not only for trump to take the stage and brag about it. >> it feels like him bragging about it was the way of asserting a dominant rollover you. do you get the sense he kraeucr your approval? >> he wants to be liked and be approved of. "the new york times," he wants "the new york times" to pay attention to him, because if they pay attention to him, then he has that authority. he's at the level of the "new york times." the same thing goes for nbc news. don't discount who i was reporting for. msnbc and nbc news, he wanted to be treated kindly by us, and i think he felt that meant that we were going to gloss over all of

the very many controversies he would cause or the outrages he would cause or the reversals he would do, the flip flops. he didn't feel like things were fair. he wanted -- fair to him was -- >> not nice. >> yeah. >> and this is the violent tone at the rallies. take a look. >> get 'em out! get 'em out! [ cheering ] >> get 'em out of here. >> you write in the book that the people at the trump rallies were nice people, but inside a trump rally they are chained, they can yell and scream and say things they would never say anything on the outside. you had a grandpa spit at you. what do you think it was about? >> trump was crude and in his

halo of crudeness, other people were allowed to be crude. you walked in the doors and you were part of a show. when donald trump said he was going to build a wall, they knew to say mexico was going to pay for it. when he talked about hillary clinton, they knew to say lock her up. when he talked about the media, they knew to turn around and boo the media. it was partially so they could go in and get their frustrations out. they felt like they were not being paid attention to. donald trump said, i see you and i hear you. these people back there, the ones in the pen, the press pen, i gathered here and brought with me from place to place, these people are the ones that have not listened to you. i doubt i would ever be called the c word when i was walking down the street. >> there were people who were wearing the c-word on their shirts. >> yeah, there was a father and his children wearing a shirt

with the c-word in regards to hillary clinton. and then somebody wore a shirt that said i wished hillary was married to o.j. the visuals in the crowd and the attitudes and the words were very violent. >> we know the access hollywood video did nothing. >> trump can grab me by my with an arrow pointed down. >> do you get the sense by talking to the trump supporters, they are embarrassed today? >> no. >> in general, the behavior, do you think any of them would be embarrassed by it now? >> that's a really good question. that's a really good question. part of me says no. part of me says this is a movement that is still out there, that they do still believe in donald trump. they do still feel like we are

not on his side and we are therefore not on their side, so the behavior is not seen through that lens. it is seen more of a fight back, a push back against the establishment by any means necessary. >> people are calling themselves deplorable. i wish we had another hour to talk about the book. it's a great read for those of you who think you will have to relive through the entire campaign night, and it's not, it's about being the journalist and it's funny at times. >> yeah. >> you have references in there. i don't want to give away any spoilers. make sure you check out her book "unbelievable." it's the craziest campaign in american history. buy it and read it. it's so good. coming up, we will bring you the latest on the second night of protests in st. louis. stay with us. for 100 years,

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overnight police clashed with protesters in st. louis for the second night in a row. people there have taken to the streets in what police say have been peaceful protest after the acquittal of a police officer after shooting a black man in 2011 during a car chase. the officer was heard on camera saying i am going to kill this expletive. and the officer planted a loaded gun in his car. the judge found him not guilty of first-degree murder on friday and the officer said he did nothing wrong. 11 of their officers were injured friday night when protesters threw bottles and bricks at police. several windows were broken of several businesses and at the home of the st. louis mayor. and the violent incidents have

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but there are others where everything is gone yet they keep on doing whatever needs to be done, standing in line, doing whatever they need to do to keep on surviving. but i am so surprised with the devastation we have had of the island how quickly we are recovering. >> the impact of hurricane irma continues to linger in the caribbean with at least 37 people dead and thousands living without food, water or power.

irma, especially devastated the island of barbuda where 90% of the structures have been damaged and every single resident has been evacuated leaving the island without human inhas been tupbs for 300 years. joining me now is a congress wapl representing the u.s. virgin islands and bloomberg reporter, jordan holmen. there was significant damage in st. john, but throughout the usvi. how is the recovery going? >> we were grateful before the hurricane came we had fema embedded on the island. being part of the united states means we have had support from the dod and the navy is there and the marines are on the ground, but the devastation, as you said, is extreme. we were hit as a category 5,

almost a direct hit. we lost hospitals. we lost our police station, fire station, airports, everything on the island of st. thomas and especially st. john. thank god st. croix is still there and that is the base camp. >> people are mostly going to st. croix? >> a lot are going to the mainland. because we are u.s. citizens, people are able to move there. >> jordan, your reporting has been spectacular on what is going on as well. talk a little bit about what the recovery is going to require in order for the u.s. virgin islands to come back? >> when i was down on the island, fema said it was going to be a year's long recovery and not months or weeks. one thing they need is the

electricity back up. you can get poles back up, so that's one step. and then also just making sure that people have the proper housing, that the house something safe is another factor of this. >> let's listen to the governor, and this is from thursday. take a listen. >> we have already put on the ground on st. thomas 100,000 cases of water, and we have five c-17s sitting on the ground in st. croix and the marines and the army folks are offloading them and you see the choppers and planes bringing them here. we are getting the supplies out. and some folks still have not been attended to and i will concede that is accurate and that's common with a disaster of this size. >> sounds like the preparations were there. what do you think allowed the

virgin islands had enough preparation to recover fairly moderately? >> the caribbean faces hurricanes all the time, and we are extremely resilient. if you go on the waterways between the islands now, you will see every kind of boat bringing supplies and evacuating. tim duncan, one of our greatest, who actually was -- >> an nba player. >> yeah, he was with the san antonio spurs and was an olympic swimmer preparing for the olympics when hurricane hugo hit in 1979, and we are used to doing this and used to being prepared. virgin islanders in the states are shipping things back. how is the federal government going to respond afterwards? we have had disparity of treatment before. we have not gotten the same

support and the aid from the federal government the states have, and now it's that fight to not be forgotten. >> there's another hurricane coming. >> we are telling everybody to get in shelters if you are on st. thomas or st. john, go to st. croix because there's a hurricane coming to the islands directly on tuesday. >> let's talk about st. martin, which has been utterly devastated by the storm. what is the status of barbuda? has anybody been able to go back? >> as you mentioned at the top of the segment, there's not that many habitatents there. you are trying to figure out how to return home if that's possible. >> we know the virgin islands because it's a u.s. territory,

there are certain rights and the obligation the u.s. has to it, and for the rest of the caribbean, where is the aid going. is the same level of aid coming to places like st. martin and barbuda? >> that's a tricky one. the u.s. virgin islands, they are u.s. citizens and have a connection to the u.s. economy, and for the smaller caribbean nations there's not the large federal aid. they experienced hurricanes before and it's going to be a year's long thing looking for where aid can come from to help rebuild. >> joy, one of the things you needed, in the u.s. virgin islands we were prepared and fema was there on the ground before. when you look at places like barbuda and st. martin, their parents were not there and now it's a rush to try and bring that support to them, which i think is going to be a difficulty in the recovery for them. >> absolutely.

we don't want to leave out the caribbean as we talk about the devastation of the storms, obviously florida and other parts of the united states were hit as well, but we wanted to make sure we touched base with the caribbean family, including the american citizens of the u.s. virgin islands, and thank you very much congresswoman and jordan holmen, thank you both. the king slayer is here in the next hour to talk about a threat more dire than any walker. stick around here on "am joy."

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the speech that the president gives, i think you can get it for yourself, and i think he slaps the right people and comes out with the u.s. being strong in the end. >> the officials have spent the last few days talking up trump's big next moment on the world

stage, his speech to the united nations world assembly next tuesday. that's right. this guy will be representing the united states in front of a forum consisting of every world? colonel lawrence wilkerson, former chief of staff and rosa brooks. thank you both for being here. good to see you both in person for a change. i have to start by asking you guys about the united nations. i think a lot of americans who didn't vote for donald trump and are not supporters of him have feelings of him getting up against the world stage and representing the country. as somebody who worked for one of the most distinguished americans, you know, and who went in front of the u.n. and had some struggles in terms of iraq, there's a lot to remember about it. colin powell is somebody who was remembered quite well in history despite the iraq thing. how do you feel about donald trump getting up there? what do you expect him to say? >> it always struck me when powell was at the united nations that no matter who the leader

was, it could be le pen from france with whom he had a lot of problems or jack straw from the united kingdom with whom he had a very warm relationship, i don't see how america at the united nations has any of that rapport right now, whether it's false, real, or in between. i just don't see how because we have such a bombastic, bella doebellacose man. nikki haley, a state which is my home state, seems to be right there with him salivating so hard to be secretary of state that she can't hardly, as one person said, she learned how to spell foreign policy last week and she's going to be the secretary of state most likely. >> yeah. it is amazing to say nothing of the, you know, barack obama standing up there and sort of the contrast between, you know, what we had and what barack obama represented and the person

who would have been president, hillary clinton, having run the state department. >> yeah. >> it is going to be an interesting change in sort of the way we are perceived. but i have to read you, this is a tweet from donald trump because his attitude towards the u.n. has not been exactly warm. this is in december and he tweeted the united nations has such a great potential. right now it's a club for people to get together, talk and have a good time. so sad. meanwhile, politico says they're slashing the size of the u.s. delegation to the u.n. general assembly. they will have a toe point, not a footprint shrinking the size of the delegation visiting new york. it adds to the doom. your thoughts? >> i don't think anybody ever has a good time at the united nations unfortunately. but i do think -- i mean, clearly trump under values diplomacy. he doesn't think it's that important and he doesn't think the rest of the world is that

important, not particularly surprising including our current secretary of state. rex tillerson, the invisible man, the freeze on hiring at the state department. normally secretaries of state fight to get people in to their agencies and departments. tillerson has said, ah, who needs diplomats. i do think those who expect trump to make a fool of himself in this speech are probably going to be disappointed in the sense that we know that trump -- every now and then, every third time has the ability to stick to the teleprompter, and i think that his speech at the u.n. is going to be one of those moments where he actually sticks to the teleprompter for half an hour he manages to keep it together and then we'll see the usual rash of headlines, trump finally presidential. true states man. >> every time. >> then the next day he'll be tweeting crazy stuff again. >> it depends, colonel, on what's in the teleprompter. we know that steven miller writes a lot of his speech and that bannonite world view. we don't have multi-lateral

obligations, where first we were pulling out of the paris climate deal, now i'm not so sure we were doing it. that's what's going to be in the prompter, right? >> i'm a little more concerned with the what i would call parallel meetings. i understand he's going to meet with abe and he's going to meet with moon, skroouth korea's president. we have a burgeoning crisis much like 1994 only it's very different this time in the sense that they're already a nuclear weapons state. we can argue about where that might be in its particulars, but they are a nuclear weapon state. that presents a new problem. i agree with david petraeus who said belacosity belligerence can be a strategy but it's often dangerous in this respect. >> just this morning, rosa, we had donald trump to that very point tweeting, he went on a tweet storm, like artwork and gifts and he tweeted i spoke with president moon of south

korea last night. asked him how rocket man is doing. long gas lines forming in north korea. too bad. >> we have all of these discussions about which faction is going to control the teleprompter, will it be the miller, mattis/mcmaster group trying to keep him saner. trump will be trump and he will revert to trumpness. even if he sticks at the teleprompter, who knows what's going to happen. >> sure. >> that's the most dangerous thing. it's not belligerence can be a strategy. in trump's case, it's not a strategy. it's just random spurts of crazy. >> yeah. >> unfortunately, you know, they can shake the world as the president of the united states. >> that's the art of the deal. >> that's the art of the deal. that was not written by donald trump. >> deep-based art form. >> we have a situation, colonel, where we have a dirt erth --

>> you can put up the list of who's missing in the diplomatic posts. we're missing diplomatic posts, two out of four boxes are not there. we have an acting -- we have an unfilled assistant secretary for eastern asia. the u.s. ambassador to south korea is an unfilled position. we don't even have full staff. how can there also be these stories that there is parallel background planning for a potential war with north korea if we don't have a fully staffed state department? >> what worries me more than the state department not being staffed is who is advising mcmast jer er on the national security council staff and what are they telling him and what is he able to get through with john kelly and jim mattis, too, to the president that's the president then responds to. >> right. >> increasingly since about 1970 the real power's in the embassy staff. i found that out big time when i was at the state department. i knew it was true for the

pentagon but the state department is really a function a functionary agency now. the real power is in the embassy staff. who is giving him advice that's reasonably sound and sane and getting through to the president? that's the real question. >> and that reminds us once again that the person who used to run -- who used to be the national security adviser had michael flynn. what a world. thank you very much. colonel lawrence wilkerson and rosa berth, great to talks to you in person. coming up, we will show you who is addicted to normalizing donald trump. later, jamie lanister rides in to talk about a threat that's looming on the horizon. stay with us. un-stop right there! i'm about to pop a cap of "mmm fresh" in that washer. with unstopables in-wash scent boosters by downy. and if you want, pour a little more. ah, it's so fresh. and it's going to last from wash to... ...wear for up to 12 weeks.

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d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> this is good. this is the way you get things done so i think a lot of folks who are in the middle, independent, maybe moderate democrats probably have to be encouraged by this. >> then he went bipartisan, brought in the democrats, got some help on tax cuts and i think his political standing went up some more. good morning and welcome back to "am joy." many reporters and pundants got possibly giddy this week about the possibility that donald j. trump had turned over a new bipartisan leaf. this morning it seems that ship has sailed. we woke up to a storm of trump tweets and retweets because, you know, old habits die hard. this was this reference to kim jong-un and his most recent missile test. rocket man is a classic elton john song. there is this tweeted electoral map prediction. remember, he really likes electoral maps. he hung the 2016 one in the west wing. he also retweeted this fan fiction video of trump hitting

what seems to be hillary clinton with a golf ball. watch that drive. then, of course, there's so much more that he covered in 140 characters or less from, quote, loser terrorists to political correctness and he's probably not done for the day because this is 2017 and trump is president. and no amount of chinese food with chuck and nancy is going to change that. and joining me now is republican strategist christopher metzler, democratic strategies jamall simmons, jason johnson, nbc senior media editor claire atkinson and eric bowler senior writer at share blue. before we get into it, i want to show you on the sense you look like a singing group. these are my duop, duop men. we're working on a number that we will get to. i had to show you that. this is a complete coincidence.

when they all filed in, we had to note that. let's move on to other things. >> we were called her pips. >> i said i was gladys knight. chris, you are a republican strategist so i'm going to have to get you to explain. donald trump is up early in the morning retweeting and tweeting out memes and gifs, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. do republicans at this point just tune it out? do they just not care anymore? >> yeah, i think republicans inside do tune it out. they don't actually care. the problem is for republicans, it starts to make us look like oh, i don't know, a band of idiots. so from that standpoint, look, he's the president of the united states. he is about to a zrddress the u and he is behaving as a 2-year-old child on ridtalin. >> i think he's not on the

ritalin. >> he's not taking it? >> right. >> he's tweeting out, rocket man, calling the leader of north korea who is somebody who is incredibly erratic himself, belittling him as rocket man this morning. this golf gif of him hitting hillary clinton, hitting a woman with a golf ball making her stumble, this is strange behavior for somebody who is going to have to turn around and give a sober speech. why do i ask you this week, why is it so reflexive for so many in media to say bipartisan trump is real and to ignore this trump? >> well, it's clear that there is no real trump except for the one that is reactionary, that is catering to his own eager, is catering to his very small part of the american populus. i think what we're seeing is him flailing because of the chuck and nancy deal that he was cutting on daca. people are so upset with him. we saw people burning make america great hats this week. now you see donald trump trying to do something to try to signal to his population like i'm still

one of you. i'm still one of you. please don't leave me. >> yeah. should democrats trust that? on the democratic side of the ledger saying, great, chuck and nancy are err row heroic. is that something democrats should be cheering, whatever it took, they did get a deal? >> look, you can cut a deal with a thief whenever you want. you can cut a deal with a thief. you can come up with some good medicine from a drug dealer whatever you want to. whatever deals you've got to cut, you've got to cut those deals. i don't think anyone in the democratic party is stupid enough to think you can trust donald trump. that he's going to be consistent. he changes his mind on the last thing he saw on television or who's the last person who left the room with him. the bigger issue is this, what issues do you want to work with him on and how consistent can you be about it. the other thing i noticed yesterday, you have people coming out, protesting donald trump, he sold us out. i don't care about any of that

because they're still going to vote for him. >> they burned their own $40 hats and they're going to buy more. >> exactly. >> he is selling $40 usa hats on television while he's at a disaster relief. >> we just had katie tur on in the last hour. none of it matters. nothing matters. literally nothing matters. claire, i have to go to you. first of all, welcome to the family. you are now senior media editor here at nbc so i have to welcome you to the family. >> thank you. >> there does seem to be a tick that the media does have. we can tick off your media criticism for being here at nbc with this. "the new york times," "l.a. times" and "usa today." energized trump sees bipartisan path, at least for now. cries for betrayal. trump, pelosi and schumer, border patrol is back at the white house. you have an article that labeled

trump an independent. he's still trying to gutt and dismantle obamacare. his justice department is dismantling everything to do with policing reform and still trying to mass deport people. why does the media so quickly fall for this idea that he's some sort of bipartisan deal maker? >> well, jioy, i think if you could describe the media's coverage of donald trump, it might be considered the edward munch picture of "the scream," outrage, outrage, outrage. in the middle of september the united nations speech will come and i think the press needs a new story because perhaps everybody is worn out of the same kind of daily outrage and, you know, there's a new narrative required. these deals give the media an opportunity to kind of see a new twist in the story. but, i mean, this whole week has been amazing. you've seen right wing press kind of just go at trump,

particularly breitbart, with its kind of nightmare headline on the daca story. its description of how john kelly won't let anybody in the room with news clips during the day. he gets his briefing in the morning. he gets to see a very specific type of story. you know, in the weeks since steve bannon was"60 minutes" and kelly has come in, we've seen a different kelly come in. he's a shake shifter and does unpredictable things all the time, but i wonder if part of the change is due to a change in his own media diet. >> i don't know that that's happening. eric bowler, if the clinton rules are that anything that hillary clinton does is by definition suspect and you have to come at it from the point of view that she probably committed a crime and you work backwards from there -- >> yeah. >> -- the trump rules seems if he reads the prompter he has change and it's presidential. is that a media desire from

normalcy or is it something particular about this particular president? >> it's something about this particular president because he's a republican white man and the d.c. press is enthralled with republican hard ball. i guarantee you what happened this morning was that trump finally saw some of the taped interviews hillary clinton gave last week, particularly the interview with rachel maddow where she eviscerated trump in detail at length. there's no way trump was going to see hillary clinton interviews and not post some sort of physical violence against her like he did this morning. in terms of the press, there's this desire to normalize him. they're very nervous and anxious about calling him a pathological liar, calling him a sociopath even though after eight months there's no debate that he is both. you talk about a pivot. every sentence he said last week about the republican tax plan was a lie. every single public utterance was a lie and we're getting these descriptions about how he's presidential. you can't be presidential if you

don't know anything, if you don't know how taxes work, if you don't know how immigration works, if you don't know still how daca and health care work. so it's impossible to do a pivot. it's impossible to be presidential but the press is very cautious and they don't want to call him out. he's proud of who he is. describe who he is? he's a pathological liar. >> yeah. go a on. >> well, here's the thing. i understand the press reaction. trump is like a bad prom date. you're stuck with him. we're stuck with him for the next couple of years. people are going to justify. he didn't open the door but he paid for dinner before he flirted with the waitress and that sort of thing. every time he does something that's not horrible people are rushing to try and say it's okay because dealing with the daily reality that this man is a danger to this planet, not to mention everybody in this particular country, is more than most people want to write about, but that's the reality of it. >> this whole conversation about bipartisanship to me is a ridiculous conversation. this is a conversation about

opportunism. ft. meade yeah to say he's bipartisan. no, he's not bipartisan, is he trumppartisan. he's not bipartisan, not vicarious, he's nothing. he might be -- he only cares about what he's doing. >> this says something else about us, too, because i do believe that we saw a poll this week that was from the university of chicago. they talked about education. when people judge their own education schools they'll say, oh, my school is about an a or a b. >> right. >> they judge schools at large they say schools at large are cs and ds. if we say something is wrong with trump, maybe there's something wrong with us. >> yeah. >> i think there's something in that. maybe there's something wrong with us if we fully acknowledge how bad this man is, how unqualified he is to be present. >> when i spoke with katie about her book, she spoke about people who were at trump rallies and they had vile words, women

putting the "c" word on their shirt and the question though is is the media so wedded to this veneration of the voter that we don't feel comfortable even judging to jamall's point that maybe there are people who are deplorable and that is such a -- maybe that is such a hard thing ft. meade yeah ever to admit because everyone is good. all the voters are good. all the voters are virtuous. is that part of what this is? media not wanting to insult any voters for donald trump? >> i don't know. i think there's been plenty of media on both sides. it's interesting to see breitbart, ann coulter and shawn hannity and pro trump people and outlets now suddenly having a lot of criticism of what he's been doing this week. i think there's going to be -- if it continues, then perhaps there will be this change of who's on the left and who's on the right and who's criticizing donald trump and who's deposing

him. that will be the change if the policy decisions continue to be unpredictable and if they continue to work with the democrats. there are surprising changes in how the media covers him. >> do you think so, eric? do you see that happening? >> i don't think trump is going to continue to advance the democratic agenda add naas yum througho -- nasium for the rest of the year. >> or today. >> not only doesn't the press want to call voters out, they want to, you know, hold them up as kind of virtuous. how many "new york times" stories have we read about the white rust belt voters. they've written 15 profiles since january. >> yes. >> never once do they ask isn't trump racist? why did you vote for a racist?

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his medicare for all health care bill. the bill that he and 16 democrats introduced this week. back with me are christopher metzler, jamall simmons and eric bowler and tara dowdell. miss tara, i'm going to go with you first. i wish you were here on our set. i'm going to go to you first. sanders this morning was asked about the cost, and you are a small business owner in addition to a lot of other things. we talk to you a lot about the costs of medicare. >> my republicans say, bernie wants to raise your taxes. they forget to conveniently to mention that bernie wants to waive insurance premiums that you're paying. we replace private insurance prem yums with medicare premiums. the average middle class worker saves money. >> does that sound sound to you, tara? >> well, i'll say this.

as a small business owner, one of the biggest costs that we do incur is health care and so i think that -- i agree with bernie on this. ultimately i do think the goal is to get to a single payer system and so i think that he's right about -- about that, but there are some systemic issues that need to be addressed to ensure that the system we can adequately control costs. but i will say this, one of the best things for my business has been the affordable care act and the fact that people who are 26 and under can remain on their parents' plans. that's helped me to give those employees that do that more money, put more money in their pocket. so health care is a huge cost for many of us, and we do need to do something. but here is what my concern is. my concern is that the process to getting there. that's the big concern for me because while i think it should be the ultimate goal, we should fight for it, at the same time we have to recognize if we can't even protect the affordable care

act which is, again, under assault, if we cannot protect that, then we're never going to get to single payer so we do need to focus in the short term right now on protecting what we have because if we can't get that, i don't see how you get to single payer. >> jamall, that's my question, too. are democrats completely taking their eye off the ball where there is a bill working through the senate that would repeal the affordable care act? >> no. actually what democrats are doing is smart. what we're saying is we're not just going to play defense on the things on the table. we're actually going to go further. we're going to put push the debate in the direction we want it to go. when we ultimately cut a deal, we'll cut a deal that will be better for most people in the country. whenever trump goes into a negotiation, if you push back on him, he doesn't move towards you, he moves away from you. he goes further in the direction he wants to go. it's a smart play for democrats and it actually may get us -- >> unless you're chuck and nancy

and he caves. i also wonder, chris, i have to tell you, my republican friends, are democrats moving in the direction your party wants it to go? here are some of the costs for doing medicare for all. sanders' estimates are that it will be $1.4 trillion a year. urban institute says $2.5 trillion a year. 2.8 trillion a year from another committee. when you talk about how to pay for that about where it would come from, it would come from various taxes. 7.5% income based premium paid by employers. so employers aren't going to get a tax cut, they're going to get a tax hike. 4% income based premium paid by households. eliminate tax breaks, raise taxes on the wealthy. most americans aren't that upset about. will republicans seize on this as a giant tax hike and go from there and do what y'all normally

do? >> that's exactly right. rather than call it single payer, essentially what we'll do is we'll move in that direction and call it trump payer. you know -- >> yeah. you work in the medical field. >> yeah. >> do you agree on the underlying, you know, point that tara was making. single payer saves businesses money? >> it does. but i also agree with tara that there are a number of procedural steps that have to be taken, but ultimately that's where we're going to end up. we are going to end up with a single payer system. >> okay. >> now republicans can call it what they want. democrats can call it what they want but at the end of the day what's going to happen is essentially single payer. that's the only system that's ultimately going to work. call it what you want. >> yeah. eric, do you think in terms of the way this is going to be covered, you know, is this going to become sort of a traditional, in your view? do you see it becoming a traditional tax and spend, you know, versus democrats wanting

to expand health care? the way that it's played out traditionally in terms of anything that has to do with big spending and big tax increases? >> i think republicans will try. they're going to make death panels look like a walk in the park in terms of the rhetoric they're going to use. in terms of the rhetoric and the press, republicans have lost a lot of their legitimacy on health care. there's no reason that anyone should think that health care in this country after all of these zombie attempts to take down obamacare. we've got a lot of chatter, what do democrats stand for. it's impossible to look at the issue of health care. anyone who takes ten minutes to look at it and not understand exactly what democrats stand for. i think there's movement towards single payer reinforces that. so short term i think it's a great move. in the long term they have to come up with great messaging. republicans are going to come after this like nothing we've seen before. the messaging didn't work great in vermont and colorado where it didn't work. i have every confidence that democrats will be able to sell

this and sell it smartly. >> i hope we can talk to tear are about getting business owners on. >> we look at the economy. we have to liberate businesses from paying the cost of health care. we have to empower workers so they're not at the whim of businesses every time a business works in and out of their town. democrats frame it that way -- >> jamall, you have gotten to my core frustration. that's not the message that democrats are putting out. they're putting out the compassion message, assuming that all-americans feel the same sense of obligation towards their fellow man. >> right. >> when wouldn't -- you and tara have both said, chris has said, this is a matter of saving money for small businesses. >> yes. >> i have not heard any democrat except you guys, and chris who's not a democrat, say that. why aren't the democrats saying that? that's not what they're saying at all. >> no. what happens is democrats get in a room with lawyers and policy

analysts and they don't talk to the people in the front lines. the more we do that, the better we are. >> have you heard the messaging that would save small businesses money? >> here from time to time, but here's the core message from democrats. message discipline. it has to be said over and over and over again. >> amen, sister. >> the democrats have a real opportunity to distinguish ourselves with this issue, particularly with small business owners in this country. business owners generally, but i say small business owners and minority business owners in particular who bear so many burdens of costs horks can't access capital. there is a real opportunity to take this message on the road and for democrats to unite around this message. it has to be done smartly and it has to speak to people's passions and concerns. and we also have to understand though as a party, and this is

where the risk is, as a party we have to understand our party is really diverse. sometimes there's some competing interests. what we have to understand is we have to also be to some degree flexible. >> yeah. >> because different people weight things. >> we're out of time. we're not going to let the republican talk. we love chris. he's our friend. it's too bad that the party doesn't have any consultants who are people of color and small business owners. if they could just find some consultants who were people of color and small business owners and actually hire them to work with them. that would be fascinating. chris metzler, we love you, he is our friend. we still hire republicans, too. jamall simmons, tara dowdell. everybody can get hired. we will introduce you to another person who sads donald trump and white sprem sigss -- who said donald trump and white supremacists in the same sentence and no one is up there.

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i think that this issue, it was very obvious that it was a terrorist attack and i think that president donald trump should have made a statement earlier addressing the fact and making sure all-americans feel safe in this country. that is the number one issue right now. >> she didn't win the crown but she sure did break the internet. miss texas, mardonna wood called out trump on race on sunday. the next day espn's jamel hill also called out the president in a series of tweets calling him a white supremacist.

two women in the spotlight, two similar actions but the white house went after only one. back with me is msnbc political contributor jason johnson. joining us is donte stallworth and claire atkinson and charlie pierce of "sports illustrated" and "esquire." donte, what was your reaction to espn's reaction? she tweeted, donald trump is a white supremacist who has largely surrounded himself with other white supremacists. he's able to ignore his white supremacy because it's of no threat to you. well, it's a threat to me. trump is the most ignorant, offensive president of my lifetime. his rise is a direct result of white supremacy, period. espn attempted to remove her off the air, not show up for her show until her black colleague came in and said, wait, whoa, that's not going to happen. what was your reaction to her tweets and to espn's reaction?

>> i know jamel personally and i thought she was very courageous for being able to say, hey, i'm going to speak out regardless of what the condemnation is going to be, what the backlash is going to be. she felt she needed to speak up because a lot of people kind of like what colin kaepernick did, a lot of people don't have that voice. one of the things that i think people took offense to this is when we envision the word white supremacist, we think of slavery, we think of jim crow, we think of skinheads or we think of kkk robes and that's not necessarily the full extent of what white supremacy is. until we can actually come to terms and understand that truth, we won't be able to move forward in this country. >> as a former nfl player of yourself, this is that donte stallworth we have, is there a lot of pressure in political sports to be neutral because the fan base comes from all sides of the spectrum? >> that's something from the very beginning. when you look at the basketball

great, michael jordan. i want to be like mike. mike said that democrats and republicans both buy his shoes so he was going to stay away from politics because it was in his best interests of his bottom line. so players naturally don't want to anger fans. sometimes if you don't speak out, that's what you're doing. >> charlie, typically tv personalities don't want to anger people either. if you think of former television personalities, let's talk about a guy named donald trump who back in 2007 was on an nbc universal show, nbc entertainment show called "the apprentice" and he tweeted that obama is a total racist. he said obama's '07 speech not only shows that obama is a racist but how the press always covers for him. you had glen beck who had a tv show and this is glen beck who at the time was on a television

show also calling the president a racist. take a listen. >> this president i think has exposed himself as a guy over and over and over again who has a deep seeded hatred for white people or the white culture. i don't know what it is. i'm not saying that he doesn't like white people, i'm saying he has a problem. this guy is, i believe, a racist. >> you know, charlie, there was no call from the president of the united states, the tweet from in trump was in 2012. there was no call from the white house press room for donald trump being fired from "the apprentice." there was no call for glenn bckk to be fired. what do you make of this? >> obviously jamel had two strikes against her. she's an african-american and she's a woman, which neither donald trump nor glenn beck are. yeah, the double standard is so

obvious as the bigger explanation. everybody knows why. go back to the original comparison you made. everybody knows why he went after espn personality and not miss texas. so i -- i -- the one thing i would have to say, maybe donte can back me up on this, for some reason the nfl has managed not to step all over itself in this controversy. they've managed to avoid a pr disaster for the first time in three years. >> donte? >> yeah, that's true. >> agree? >> that's true. >> jason, it does flieblg at this moment donald trump is saying or doing things that are unprecedented. the charlottesville reaction is something that shocked some republicans. wait a minute, this was like a lay-up to say nazis are bad. >> right. >> if that's happening, right, then how can conservatives hang on to outrage when jamel reacts to it? >> there's a general dishonesty

when we have discussions about race. this fits with the football narrative. we criticize the nfl. we say jerry jones. how can you hire men who have beaten women and shot women and raped women and everything else like that? we hold nfl owners accountable for the people they hire. jamel hill was just applying that same logic to trump. she said, hey, look, you've hired white supremacists and i'm holding you accountable for that. because she's a black woman. this administration is triggered whenever a black woman says something, she's being held accountable in an unrealistic way. no one is being honest. it's easier to attack her than to say, look, he's just as bad as anybody else who hires terrible people. >> claire, this became a story about unequal power, asymmetrical power when the white house is attacking a journalist. this is sarah huckabee sanders. she's communications director -- press secretary on friday.

>> espn has been hypocritical, they should hold anchors to a fair and consistent standard. espn suspended a long-time anchor linda cohn not too long ago for expressing a viewpoint. >> do you still stand by your statement? >> i do. >> this is a media matter, claire. the idea of the white house calling for an individual journalist to be fired. your thoughts? >> i mean, it is pretty surprising and i think sarah huckabee is going to be censured for that to an extent. when i first heard about this issue i kind of raised my eyebrows, espn again? there's something every week it seems with suspensions and firings of folks who do things wrong and i think it's kind of interesting that they have backed jamel hill in this. john skipper, who runs the organization, issued a memo saying, hey, guys, this is a sports organization, not a political organization. keep that in mind, but we're

living in an era where everybody feels very strong in their politics. you can't separate it from your job or being a sports announcer. you look at donald trump's panel, the ceo of espn is disney. he said he was pulling out of the climate change accord so he stepped down. if even the ceos are speaking out about politics and making their views known, i think it's hard for organizations to argue, you know, employees need to keep silent and not use the platform when clearly a lot of big business people are. >> yeah. >> just throw out also like the ceo of goldman sachs has been very vocal about his criticisms of trump on twitter. he's talked about how -- how's infrastructure week going after he came back from china. >> yeah. >> in an era where people want to talk about how they feel

politically playing the inauguration to jamel hill feeling she has a civic duty to voice her feelings on twitter. >> "he is care esquire"esquire" political, "vogue," espn would be one place that would be exem exempt, that's hard to argue. >> going back to hughes being political. the other thing going on here, this is something that i have a little bit of unfortunate experience with is that when we handed journalism over to the bean counters and it became more important to have your stock options than to keep faith with your employees, you've developed -- they've developed a culture of not making waives. if you were a new hampshire and they didn't pay attention to you, know get fired. now if they make trouble for

you, they get fired. there are literally ethics codes that forbid you from speaking out on your own personal social media accounts. of course, this all has to do with the fact that we don't have organized labor in this country either so you have nobody with your back. i thought john skipper's statement was disgraesful. it's one thing if you want to discipline your employee, but once the white house comes after you, you get behind your employee and you are stubborn. >> you're getting an amen from jason. >> i completely agree. credit not just in jamel but credit to all of the people who had her back at espn because if the network wouldn't do it, everybody else did. >> yeah. >> they said, we're not going on without her. >> that's exactly right. they tried to put two different people on. not going to happen. this has been fun to talk to you giets. jason, donte, claire, charlie pierce, thank you very much. coming up at the top of the hour, donald trump heads to new

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this isn't about noble houses, this is about the living and the dead. >> and i intend to stay amongst the living. at the start a boy and his queen defend the rules, we stay here where we've always been. >> i made a promise. >> our child will rule this house. >> our child will never be born if the dead come south. >> in season 7 of game of

thrones the residents are facing an existential threat from an army of the dead that is steadily marching south for total war which will likely end the extinction of man kind but some characters are ignoring that. many viewers and bloggers are seeing the blockbuster hbo show as making a statement using the white walkers as an analogy for climate change. i think they may be on to something. so how we face the zombie -- sorry, catastrophic climate change. my guest knows about a lot. game of thrones star, activist and goodwill ambassador for the u.n. development program. thank you for being here even though we on this end wish you were in d.c. >> good to be here. >> if you could explain for those of you who don't know what is the u.n. development program? >> well, it's basically the biggest help organization in the

world. of course, it's ours. it's every country's in the world. we have offices all over, and they do help everywhere. they do help here in the u.s. of course they do help, you know, wherever help is needed. >> and do you sort of agree with the analogy of the analogy, we use the white walkers analogy for the way people face climate change. existential threat people can put off and not deal with it and deal with what's in front of them? >> yeah, the good thing is now we're at a point where you can't deny it. it's kind of like in the show. everybody knows it's happening. climate change is real and we've made amazing progress. the paris agreement was such a while stone. you have the whole world accept two, maybe now three countries, but everyone is behind this and understand that if we don't act, it will have catastrophic consequences for all of us for the future.

so the funny thing is, i grew up as a kid in europe, in denmark, the threat of nuclear war was a big thing. i remember my mom taking me to these demonstrations. it was always known man is able to do horrible things. the threat is greater. we know it's going to get really bad. we know if we don't do something, it's going to get catastrophic. >> you say everybody agrees with it. the president of the united states doesn't agree with it. after all of the catastrophic hurricanes in the caribbean and texas if it's changed his view of climate change, he's said no. what would you say to him to sort of address that skepticism? >> i think -- you know, this is -- he's the president and he ran on that and he's just following through on his promise. that's fine. the great thing about -- i thought it was -- i think it's a mistake to pull out of the paris agreement. i think it's a grave mistake.

what i thought if you want to look at the positives is the reaction from the rest of the world is amazing. the biggest country, china, india stepping up we're going to do even more. you had mayors of some of the major cities in the u.s. stepping up saying, we're going to do more. california, the biggest polluter in the u.s. saying we're going to go even further. this is not about one man. it's not even about one country. it's about the whole world. this is a global problem and, yes, i would obviously hope the president would listen to the overwhelming scientific proof that this is -- it's not even a question if it's happening, it's about how bad it's going to get. >> and our countries, do you think that the world -- even though most people agree it's real, are people doing enough to prepare for its effect? we saw the caribbean get devastated. are people preparing for the worst of the worst that could happen if the results of climate

change as they kick in? >> i think we have to do a lot more and i think that -- because what we see now is a little appetizer. it's weather. we've always had weather. it's true. we've always had bad weather. this is much more frequent and it will be much more extreme. there's not enough we can do. we're going to have to take out the biggest insurance policy we can. that's the thing about the undp, it is a global thing. everyone has to take part in the solution. >> there's a faction of people who say, you know, nikolai, you're a celebrity, actor, stae in your lane. why are you branching outside of the entertainment world to talk about issues that may upset me. how do you answer people who say that? >> i get it. i know. i have the same feeling sometimes, trust me. i'm just trying to inspire people to go and seek out information themselves. i don't know a lot.

i just know that looking at the science that i've read, i'm convinced that this is truly something we have to deal with. so please go and educate yourself. go to undp.org. go to globalgoals.com. educate yourself. >> yeah. well, nikolai, what a treat it has been to talk to you. thank you so much. do not miss nikolai today as part of the social good summit streaming live at social good summit.com/live which is going to be at 5:45 p.m. eastern. you can also follow the conversation on twitter #2030now. thank you, nikolai, so much for being here. >> thank you so much. >> we appreciate it. more "am joy" after the break. . and hey, unmanaged depression, don't get too comfortable. we're talking to you, cost inefficiencies, and data without insights. and fragmented care, stop getting in the way of patient recovery

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