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political report your, katherine ram pell, opinion writer at the with wp, msnbc terrorist analyst malcolm nance, and maya wiley, senior vice president of social justice at the new school. all-star panel here. katherine, we have the president now coming to manhattan. he is going to be addressing the u.n. for the very first time but with a message, from what we understand, of nationalism, of america first, opposite of what is typically discussed and the theme and tone at the u.n. >> yes. usually, the whole point of going to the u.n., of participating in any sort of u.n. activities is multilater multilateralism. that is far from what trump's message was during the campaign, far from what it's been in office, of course. and the question is, is he kind of undermining his own message of america first if, in fact, we don't really have a seat at the table because we have fewer delegates going this time

around, because we are in many ways withdrawing from our participation in this very important international body? >> our favorite terrorism analyst, malcolm nance here with us. and malcolm, one of the topics that will need to be addressed with the north korean delegation sitting right in front of him when he is addressing the general assembly, that topic of north korea. and today the president posting his thoughts on north korea, calling the leader, kim jong-un, rocket man, but also indicating here that he had spoken with the leader of south korea. this president often expresses things of very serious nature which are happening behind the scenes with words that are less, shall we say, formal. what did you take away in terms of the meat here, malcolm, that the president may be indicating that this administration is doing about north korea? >> well, first off, donald trump will never beat kim jong-un at the game of trolling people. that's a nation that has been doing this for 64 years nonstop. he just can't beat them at that game. that being said, south korea has

something to say about this also. they have said that they won't participate in a first strike or a pre -- you know, a strike against north korea without their cooperation. and nikki haley seems to be speaking for the administration as more of the adult in the room. but just today she was saying that the united states could destroy north korea if they continue their threats. we get mixed messages out of the administration on this, and i think that that's raising tensions quite a bit higher than they should be. and i think that will be a great topic of discussion at the u.n. this week. >> and you bring up a really good, interesting idea here, malcolm, and i'll go to daniel on this, which is who is that torchbearer when it comes to united states foreign policy? is it nikki haley or is it rex tillerson, right? and we've seen rex tillerson speak on this sunday. so daniel, who is that person leading the charge here? >> it seems like over the last few months, nikki haley has been auditioning for rex tillerson's

job, because even people in the white house view rex as missing in action. and people you talk to at the white house, they think that he has not shown a real leadership qualities at the state department. and so, nikki haley has been setting her own agenda. she's been out in front of issues and making her mark, and she's really established herself as a leader in foreign policy while rex tillerson has been single mindedly focused on this reform effort, at basically cutting the budget of the state department while nikki haley has been really setting the tone of how the trump administration should deal with the international community. >> the international community here, maya, over 193 countries, right, in the world, and in this situation, they will have never seen so many representatives from so many countries in one

place. you throw in the idea of 17 sustainable development goals. you add the language of the united nations, longstanding, over half a century, right? all of this. how does this administration need to engage the united nations and come out winning? >> well, let's start with the fact that this really is about -- this should be about a presidency of principles. and the principles, if it's really america first, should line up with the u.n. sustainability goals, because some of them, for instance, are like increased health care access, except donald trump's administration is walking into the u.n. having actually talked about cutting up to literally 30 million people off of health care, at the same time, ending hunger is a key priority of the sustainability goals. and yet, the trump administration's budget has been to essentially suggest that we should cut 10% of nutrition

support for americans. we've got 40 million hungry americans in the united states. so, global leadership right now could include america first, if we recognize that like the rest of the world, we have real problems we have to tackle here for our people. and by the way, it requires us to work internationally, and the paris agreement is another example of this, because if donald trump wants to deliver jobs, the fastest growing jobs in the united states happen to be in renewable energy, and china is setting up to invest over $360 billion because it sees the jobs that could come with that investment. if we're not at the table in paris, we're not at the table for american jobs. >> also one of the issues, and you make that parallel so well, you expressed that parallel so well, maya. thank you so much, because those issues at the united nations are american issues. they do exist here across our 50 states and territories.

catherine, on the background, talking about the issue of international or other countries, russia. and that continues today. and the development when it comes to the question of russia is robert mueller, as he moves forward, and those developments. with those understandings, and again, the russia investigation, the senate judiciary ranking member dianne feinstein shared some new details about what was happening in her committee's interview with donald trump jr., and i want to get your thought on that. let's play what dianne feinstein has said. >> it was a five-hour interview. republicans went first for an hour and then democratic staff questioned. i think it's senator grassley's intent, and it's certainly my intent to have him before the committee in the open and be able to ask some questions under oath. it will be this fall. i know that for sure. >> catherine, your response to what dianne feinstein might be saying there. >> i would love to see this testimony in an open session,

right? i mean, everybody wants to see that at this point. there is a lot of -- a lot happening behind closed doors with the mueller investigation as well as the investigations going on on the hill, and the public really wants to know, you know, how incriminating is the evidence that's been gathered so far, is the testimony that's been presented, and what's the next shoe to drop, you know? and we won't know that until some of this stuff comes out in the open. some of it's leaking out, of course, but it would be much better to have this happening in open session. >> and when we look at this, malcolm, you know, there's another sign that mueller is looking at, again, the money trail, this as that seems to be where the focus is for robert mueller, a major focus, as he brings on, again, a money laundering expert into his coterie, right, as he looks at where this might go. >> right. >> from the developments of that and others recently, how far in do you think robert mueller is

in investigation? dianne feinstein saying today, well, not so far, and this could be another year, year and a half. >> well, she's right, it could take a year, year and a half, even out to two years, but you have to understand that there's more than one aspect of this investigation going on. this investigation started under the fbi as a national counterintelligence investigation, hunting down someone who is in communication with russian intelligence officers. but as you saw, when he took over the investigation from comey, the first thing he did was he hired the head of the treasury's financial crimes division. and now he's added 16 additional financial crimes and fraud lawyers on to the case. he is only going deeper down the rabbit hole. and this most recent hire shows that he's already possibly discovered dirty money and that he has to bring on additional resources to expand that to determine was russia behind all that money. we don't know. he can find all sorts of things in his remit.

but you know, this investigation isn't going to end anytime soon, but i think we're going to have several legs. >> and he's still building his team. at this stage. >> richard, this is also important when we think about how he walks into the u.n., because some of the allegations of his support for human rights violations linked to countries in which he has had business interests, and that's something that should be examined. >> all right, maya wiley, thank you so much, daniel littman, catherine rampell, i appreciate all three of you. i owe you one today. limited time today. malcolm, you'll be back later. thank you all four. >> thank you. st. louis protests continue in the aftermath of the controversial acquittal of a white former police officer in the shooting death of a black driver. we're going to go live with how local businesses are responding right now. plus, a top democrat saying, come hell or high water, donald trump jr. will face a public hearing on his meeting with russian officials. what that hearing could mean for the first family. un-stop right there! i'm about to pop a cap of "mmm fresh" in that washer.

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live pictures here in manhattan, new york city, this as we expect the president of the united states to arrive at trump tower. this is going to be his third visit since becoming the president of the united states. he has a high-stakes appearance, his first one, at the united nations general assembly. when he does arrive, we'll have the pictures for you right here. it will be his longest stay, if you will, at home here in new york city. talking about the u.n. general assembly, it will be about 130 world leaders that are expected to attend the annual gathering. the theme of this gathering this year, focusing on people, striving for peace and a decent life for all on a sustainable planet. the white house says trump will discuss three primary goals for the united states at those meetings -- peace, prosperity, as well as sovereignty, and accountability by all member nations. world leaders will also discuss

u.s. sanctions aimed at trying to rein in north korea's nuclear program. pet peter yough is here along with nancy soderberg, who also served as an alternate representative to the united nations in the clinton administration. start with you on this, peter. the theme, what does this mean? >> well, i think that he's focused intently on making sure that the united nations continues to reform. we're really fortunate that tomorrow morning, in fact, he's going to join with the secretary-general of the united nations and ambassador nikki haley and over 120 other diplomats to embrace far-reaching reforms at the u.n. to make it more effective and efficient. so, this focus on reform i think is significant and real. i think there will also be extensive discussion tomorrow about rogue regimes. there's a real focus on north korea, on iran. so, between rogue regimes and u.n. reform, and then the final element of what we think the president's going to focus on is

restructuring. he feels that the u.s. pays too much to the united nations. and this week will be a wonderful opportunity to work with other countries to try to negotiate a fair share for everybody. >> part of this, nancy, are the pull-asides, right, the meetings, right, the bilaterals. one of those will be with the leader of south korea, president moon, which we understand based on a tweet with the president, he had a conversation over this weekend with the president of south korea. how important are these pull-asides, these bilaterals that are going to be happening? what are you hearing is going to be happening? >> the pull-asides are the most important part of this meeting. as peter said, the reform and all of those issues, every president does that with mixed success. it's a difficult thing to achieve, although very important. but this is going to be the first time you have a reality show going on at the united nations. all eyes are going to be on donald trump. everyone's going to be trying to see him.

and they're waiting for a big message. is he going to lead or pursue an america first agenda? he can't do both. and which donald trump shows up is going to be key. so, he's going to see the new president of france, the koreans, some of the other europeans. some people are missing -- the president of russia, china, germany are not there. and the president of iran will be there. and one of the most fascinating choreographies is how do you avoid having the two of them meet? both delegations are going to be wanting to kind of keep them apart. often people just make a beeline for him. so, that is going to be a fascinating show. the more important issue, though, is what does he say to the world? is he going to talk about leading the global challenges? like it or not, the united states is the lead global superpower, and the world doesn't tend to move in our interests unless we lead. and so far, there's a big question mark on all of the

united nations is which way is this president going to be. and we've all given up guessing what he's going to do, but the signals are that he is going to promote an america first agenda, which will hit a brick wall with some of the leaders there. >> peter, nancy's talking about the culture clash, right, the culture clash that may happen, the idea of meism versus was ei. talk about that. >> well, i think there is a potential for a culture clash here, but i think we need to step back and realize that in appointing nikki haley as ambassador to the united nations, he's appointed somebody who's used to working with some contentious elements when she was governor and she was dealing with the legislature in south carolina. and frankly, she's been off to a really effective and good start here in new york. and so, she's really developed a partnership with the secretary-general of the united nations, antonio guterres. and so, the fact that the secretary-general and the president and nikki haley are working together on reform and bringing along more than 100

other countries to try to make the organization strong and effective i think is a statement that, in fact, there's some opportunity here for president trump and the trump administration to have a more internationalist approach as it relates to dealing with the united nations moving forward, and that's a good thing, because there's a lot that can get done here through the united nations in terms of tackling the humanitarian challenges out there as well as on development and security. >> right. and to you, quickly, on this, nancy. is it going to be rex tillerson or nikki haley that's going to be in the lead here? this is obviously nikki haley's space, but typically, it is the secretary of state that leads the messaging coming from the united states. >> yeah, but nothing is typical in this administration. it's clearly nikki haley who's in the driver's seat. the question is more with will president trump support her? she, for instance, got the most incredibly tough sanctions on

north korea. a third of the country's economy sanctioned. >> right. >> and basically, said it doesn't matter, we're going to nuke them. i mean, it's a question of will president trump support her. i think tillerson's increasingly dealing himself out of the deal, but they've got climate change, north korea and iran all front and center. so, the work coming up this week is incredibly important, and i hope that they engage in a way that brings the world with us as opposed to confronting them where we don't need to. >> yeah, she had benchmark wins there on the security council getting those sanctions passed against north korea. very difficult. nikki haley did. thank you so much. >> it was impressive. >> nancy soderberg, peter yoe, thank you so much. >> thanks so much. >> thanks. new information this hour about the four american women targeted in an acid attack in france. a live report on their conditions and why investigators say this was not an act of terror. plus, as the president takes twitter shots at kim jong-un, the rising tension with north korea will be a major topic, as was just discussed, at this week's united nations general assembly. what the next steps could be beyond sanctions. ♪

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discussions about u.s. military options are heating up again following north korea's latest missile test. that happened on friday. top white house officials made the rounds on sunday talk shows to back up the president's fire and fury response to the regime's escalating nuclear capabilities. take a listen. >> we really have to move with a great deal of urgency on sanctions, on diplomacy, and on preparing, if necessary, a military option. >> if north korea keeps on with this reckless behavior, if the united states has to defend itself or defend its allies in any way, north korea will be destroyed. >> those comments follow president trump's tweet about north korea's leader, kim jong-un, saying "i spoke with president moon of south korea last night, asked him how rocket man is doing. long gas lines forming in north korea. too bad!" rocket man alluding to kim jong-un in that tweet. joining me is adam mount, senior fellow at the center for american progress. adam, let's get straight to the

test that happened on friday. the understanding is that this is a huasong 12, there are 17,000 u.s. military personnel there. andersen air force base. how real is this reachability of this latest test? >> well, the huasong 12 has demonstrated its capability to fire to those ranges. it's had some failures in the past. it may not be a perfectly reliable or accurate missile, but we do think it can travel this far. this adds credibility to north korea's threat this spring that they would fire four of these hs-12 missiles into the waters around guam. that was a pretty clear and credible and coercive threat. and the united states never responded to that threat directly. it never made a deterrent

response, and it never clearly explained what it would do if these launches happened. it never took steps to prevent these launches from happening. >> what might be the defense here against these missiles? so, the united states military apparatus does have these antimissile missiles. are they in place to defend u.s. territories, u.s. assets? >> yes. if there was a missile launch that was threatening allied territory or u.s. territory in guam, u.s. missile defenses would certainly take a shot, and it would stand a good chance at intercepting those missiles. four missiles is a more difficult test. and so, north korea made that threat on purpose to try to instill doubt in american missile defense capabilities. it's important to distinguish between those kinds of operations and trying to intercept a test. the test that happened a couple days ago was aimed at the open ocean east of japan. it overflew japan. it's much more difficult to try to intercept a test aimed at the

open ocean because american missile defenses are designed to defend allied territory. >> which would be the posture at the u.n. toward north korea, this as the president addresses the u.n. for the first time and has a meeting with the south korean president? >> right. you're likely to see more discussion about isolating north korea, about sanctioning north korea, but the missing piece here is how do we get those kinds of pressure tactics to transform north korea's calculus? how do we get them to change their behavior, to stop overflying japan, to stop threats against american territory, to ratchet down tensions on the peninsula, to ensure that they never proliferate nuclear technology? these are the kinds of objectives that will require engagement with north korea, not just to eliminate their nuclear program, but to meet american and allied objectives in the near term. >> adam, thank you so much, sir. always a pleasure to have you around. >> thank you.

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thanks for sticking around. i'm richard lui at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. hope you're having a good sunday. at the half hour, this is what we're watching. soon, president trump will arrive in new york city. live pictures here. he will take part in a week of meetings with foreign leaders of the united nations general assembly. the president is going to address the u.n. for the first time tuesday, also meet with his japanese and south korean counterparts to discuss north korea's nuclear threats, amongst many meetings. pl plus, the unrest in st. louis continues for a second night following the acquittal of a white former police officer in the shooting death of a black driver. nine protesters were arrested in the university city area after businesses and cars were vandalized there. london police have made a second arrest in connection with

friday's subway attack that injured nearly 30 people. the 21-year-old man was arrested late saturday night and is being held under the terrorism act for a possible role in the bombing. taking you now to southern france. four u.s. women attacked with acid have now been released from the hospital. all four victims were students in their 20s from boston college. they were treated for burns after a suspect sprayed the group in the face with acid outside of the main train station in marseille. nbc's claudio la vongo live in londzon with more on this. great to hear they were released. any understanding of the extent of the injuries? >> reporter: well, yes, richard. what we know so far is from what the police in france told us, that at 11:00 this morning, the four american girls, all 19 years old, were standing in the square outside a train station in marseille in the south of france when a woman suddenly sprayed them with hydrochloric liquid, a highly chloric acid.

they have been taken to the hospital, released, but treated for burns. we don't know yet how bad those burns were, those injuries were, but we're certainly chasing for an update there. the woman who sprayed the acid is 41 years old, has a history of mental illness, and is now in police custody. french police stress that this was not an act of terrorism. nevertheless, of course, this is a horrific attack that left two young americans, at least two young american girls with severe injuries and left the two others in a state of shock, or so we are told by the police, richard. >> claudio lavanga live for us on that story we've been following. thank you so much. returning now to politics, president trump giving republican leaders whiplash, shall we say, as he signals that he's open to cutting deals with the democrats, including on daca to help 800,000 young immigrants facing deportation. republican senator tom cotton, a proponent of tougher immigration laws, pushed back on the notion. here he is on nbc's "meet the press." >> i think the president has

said publicly that there is not a deal, that he wants to see a deal. in fact, he called me a couple nights ago to say there's no deal, asked me to sit down with senator schumer and some of the other democrats. they want to focus on a package of benefits for illegal immigrants. we want to put american workers' interests first. >> and reports that the democratic base is anxious of the partnership between trump and the democrats, telling nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, don't get too close. joining me now, karine jean-pierre with moveon.org, also a democratic strategist who worked for president obama. we also have brian darling, former senior aide to senator rand paul. so, karine, this really has been a thematic over the last week and a half, as president trump has reached across the aisle and seems to be making deals with what should be his political opponents but then getting some progress along the way. should democrats, despite some of the criticism, now trust this president in cutting deals?

>> i think the democrats need to continue to stand their ground, i think make it very clear to donald trump, which i believe nancy pelosi and chuck schumer have done that, which is they want to have a clean d.r.e.a.m. act and make sure that we save these -- we continue to protect these 800,000 d.r.e.a.m.ers, and i think they've done that. everybody keeps talking about this grand deal that donald trump made, but there was no grand deal. i mean, the democrats came and held their ground and they said this is what we want, we'll give you three months to fund the government, and we really want to make sure that we figure out how to save the d.r.e.a.m.ers, the daca recipients. and donald trump said okay! they didn't give up anything. if anything, there was no middle ground that was found. they were the winners out of that discussion, and i think as long as they stand their ground, then they should continue talking to donald trump. the moment that he doesn't, they should walk away from the table and they should proceed with caution with him, absolutely.

>> also, brian, when we look at what this does for the leaders -- mitch mcconnell, as we look at speaker ryan -- puts them on the heels as they move into critical decisions in the coming weeks. what must they do to regain some political capital here and be able to from this white house's perspective get something done with him? >> well, they have to pass something. one of the big problems that mitch mcconnell has had and paul ryan has had is the fact that they haven't passed a full repeal and replace of obamacare, the fact that they haven't done an infrastructure bill, the fact that they haven't even started tax reform. these are all big problems. donald trump wants them to solve these problems. and when you talk about daca and the deal that's being worked out, i don't think it's a bad deal if you get increased border security in addition to daca. i mean, it seems like that would be the best of both worlds for both parties, but i think some on the left are going to try and use this as an issue. they don't actually want to

solve the problem. they want to keep it fresh and beat up republicans with these types of issues. >> we just got this in. karine, i want your thought on this from kendall lanan and michael hunt, that there will be testimony on tuesday as committee investigations are intensifying this month, both on the house and senate side. you know the four investigations we've been reporting on. michael cohen, for those unfamiliar with him, has been a very important part of president trump's business and political affairs for years, and the senate committee has already interviewed jared kushner, as we know here, karine. so this is moving along quite quickly this month as both our nbc reporters have been telling us. what do you make of michael cohen now having to testify? >> i think that says a lot. i think that says that they're really following the money, which is really important to do, especially when you're talking about trump and his organization and his dealings in the past. and clearly, this relationship with russia, trying to figure

out getting behind what happened here. and so, i think they're just getting closer, and i think that this is a great sign. this is a good sign of that. >> you know, brian, the money trail. this, as i was mentioning earlier, that robert mueller bringing in somebody who is an expert in prosecuting issues of money laundering. we have this, michael cohen, somebody who's very familiar with president trump's business dealings. this could really, again, mean so much. how would you reflect on this development with michael cohen? >> well, i'm worried that this investigation is going totally in the wrong direction. it appears that the justice department is just setting up a bunch of perjury traps and they're basically criminalizing politics. our starting point in this investigation was investigating the russian connection to the trump campaign and to see if there was any russian involvement in the american election. we're getting far afoot of that. it's just basically trying to catch a number of individuals in perjury traps, get them to testify before congress, see if

they've said anything that's not true, and try and lock them up. and i don't think that's a good idea. >> but brian, wouldn't it be that potentially through the financial dealings there will be indications, and one of those sources in looking at his financial background, his tax returns, right? if that does come up, if these deals are reflected that are in question about potential dealings with russia, not only before, but during the election, would that not be logical based on going after michael cohen? >> yes. i mean, it is important to know the facts, but also, we have yet to see any evidence, any evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and the russians, as if they fixed the election. i don't think that ever happened. i don't think it's true. the only evidence we have is one meeting between donald trump jr. and some russian individuals who did a bait and switch, where they promised all this information about hillary clinton and they never produced. so, i feel like we are getting

into the territory of criminalizing politics and just trying to use this as a way to go after trump people. >> kar irving ne, do you believe that now michael cohen -- we're just getting this in here to msnbc, again, from nbc's ken delainan in the last 15 minutes, that he will be testifying before the senate intelligence committee on tuesday. do you believe that this is what brian is saying, that this is a "witch hunt"? >> no, not at all. i think you hit it on the mark, richard when you said, well, the tax returns, right? we have not seen donald trump's tax returns. we don't even -- we have no idea of what are the dealings that he was doing, potentially, with russia. and so, this is a real key thing. and if he had done that, if he had just shown us the taxes like he said we would, we probably wouldn't be here, we probably wouldn't have this right now, but mueller and the congressional investigators are doing all that they can to get to the bottom of russia and to understand exactly what

happened. was there collusion? was there a crime? and you've got to start from someplace. >> all right, karine jean-pierre, brian darling, thank you. and breaking news that michael cohen will testify before the senate intelligence committee on tuesday. those investigations move forward in the coming week. thank you so much both. >> thanks, richard. >> all right. any minute donald trump will be set to arrive here, this at trump tower. he arriving into manhattan because of the u.n. general assembly. we expect that to happen shortly. we will go straight to that when he does arrive. also, more on the russia investigation after this. [fbi agent] you're a brave man, mr. stevens.

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nance. malcolm, what do you make of this? we were talking about the money trail, but there's also the political trail, right? >> yeah, you're absolutely right. and this is rather surprising, because not only is he going to testify, but he's going to testify in a closed session, but he was under subpoena, which means that he is a target of, certainly of the intelligence committee's investigation, and they really want him in there to explain some of the things wih been alleged over the last year. so, by bringing him in in that closed session, i think we're going to get -- you know, this isn't the most leak-proof congress that we've had, so we're going to get some information, which should be quite substantial this week. >> might this be about -- and you remember the reporting coming about michael cohen. he gave congress a point-by-point rebuttal of that dossier and the question of collusion, right, with russians in this case. might that come up? >> well, that's definitely going to come up. the question is how is he going to answer the question? >> right. >> is he going to do like donald

trump jr. and he's going to actually make statements, or is he going to listen to a lawyer and plead the fifth? now, of course, pleading the fifth doesn't mean that you're guilty of anything, but it certainly will slow the investigatory process. so you know, there's a lot of information that i'm sure that democrats on the intelligence committee will certainly be wanting from him. but you know, if he talks, it ought to be fascinating. >> so, tuesday, if you're that fly on the wall, what would you be listening for here, malcolm? >> well, you know, there were several allegations that were made in the steal dossier, which is not validated intelligence or information, but michael cohen took part in some other interesting activities, one of which was that he had supposedly drafted a document which was oriented to lifting all of the sanctions against russia. and they're going to want to know, what was the impetus for that? did you just think this up on your own? did you think it was good for

donald trump and the united states? was there any russian influence in his decision-making, or was there a financial stake in this? >> watching live pictures here, 4:46 new york time. president trump expected to be arriving, by the way, for those at home watching our video. on the left-hand side of the screen, now full. when he does arrive here for the u.n. general assembly, of course we'll be watching the president. this is going to be his longest stay at his old home at trump tower, his third now since becoming the president of the united states. malcolm nance, what was said by brian darling, a former senior aide to rand paul in the last segment, was that this is just a witch hunt, quote/unquote, for perjury, and that is what this very situation is. michael cohen now being with the senate intelligence committee and having to testify in front of, that's what this is. how would you respond to his response? >> well, this is not a witch hunt, and it certainly isn't a witch hunt for perjury. if he said things in the past

that were public and he, you know, refutes them in the senate hearing, that's not going to be held against him. it's going to be held against him if he does that in front of the mueller investigation, and it will certainly give indicators as to whether he was being truthful and whether he actually is delivering information that is substantive and honest. if he does not do that, that is when he's going to be in trouble. >> senator dianne feinstein today saying not only this development, michael cohen, but she is now saying that donald trump jr. should testify and that he should testify on this very topic. what do you make of her direct request here on national tv that that would happen? >> right, and she wants him to testify in public testimony, not to a bunch of staffers, which means that there will be the public spectacle of him having to defend his statements about his meetings with the russians one year ago in june, which as we know, there were four

different reasons that he gave for meeting the russians before he came and spoke to the house intelligence committee -- i'm sorry, senate intelligence committee, and said that the reason that he met with the russians was to gather this information and then turn it over to his lawyers in case something nefarious was going on. he is going to have to choose in public what his actual reasoning for that was. and of course, lying before congress is a punishable offense, and that will be taken up by the mueller investigation also. a very dangerous and tricky time for him. but if he has to come back, he can be compelled to do so. >> when you look at these developments, the one that just came into us about michael cohen within the last 30 minutes, and then we have the request by dianne feinstein, the lead democrat there in the senate, what does it tell you about where they're going in these four investigations on the hill? >> i find this fascinating.

it shows you that the senate, at least, right now is concentrating on the june 2016 meeting, which took place, you know, in trump tower, supposedly about russian adoptions, and that,that, you know, donald trump jr. was the lead agent on that along with jared kushner, paul manafort and they are trying to determine whether that incident was the nexus for all of the misleading information which was then brought out earlier this year and of which the president, his staff, you know, wrote up an entirely different excuse for why those meetings happened. so they're going to press on those points. i think they're actually staying away from where the -- from where the mueller, you know, investigation is going. they are not pushing manafort, they are not pushing mike flynn jr., they're pushing the secondary players related to that meeting and i think that's

fascinating strategy. i think they feel there's more of a criminal prosecution for those other three players that mueller is doing and they're trying to push cohen into the point where any supporting statements he may have made for the president or the president's staff, they can ink that out there and that would further assist the mueller investigation. >> the president about to arrive. michael nance, stay with us. we'll take a short break and be right back. the all-new volkswagen tiguan with available pedestrian monitoring. the new king of the concrete jungle.

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you're on the phone with us. let's start with this breaking news that we just got. what more can you tell us about the details of that testimony, casey? >> we're just learning some of the details of how this is going to play out but we do know that the committee has wanted to talk to michael cohen for quite a while in the wake of all of the reporting about the meeting with russian lawyers at trump tower. we know that this testimony or interview is going to take place on tuesday, on capitol hill, with the senate intelligence committee. michael cohen confirming that to nbc news. why does this committee want to talk to him? michael cohen is somebody -- you can't overstate his importance and involvement with president trump's entire world. he's not somebody whose working in the white house every day now but he's somebody whose known the president for a very long time, has been very involved in allf