together what you rightly called is the terrible nuclear deal with iran and how to roll back iran's growing aggression in the region, especially in syria. >> mr. president, do you plan to stay in the iranian nuclear deal? >> this morning, president trump who once called the united nations obsolete and incompetent wasted no time calling for reform of the global organization. >> in recent years, the united nations has not reached its full potential because of bureaucracy and mismanagement. we seek a united nations that regains the trust of the people around the world in order to achieve this the united nations must hold every level of management accountable. we must ensure that no one and no member state shoulders a disproportionate share of the burden. and that's militarily or financially. higher up on the president's diplomatic agenda, the

escalating threat of a nuclear north korea. and the leader that trump labeled in a tweet rocket man. as pyongyang nears the final stage of developing an intercontinental ballistic missile, the u.s., south korea and japan flexing military muscle with joint drills across the korean peninsula as the trump administration signaled time could be running out for a diplomatic solution. >> if the united states has to defend itself or allies in any way, north korea will be destroyed. >> we have to prepare all options, make sure all options are under development to ensure that this regime cannot threaten the world. >> as we have watched each missile test and military test, the program is advancing. >> with the world watching, what will be the president's strategy for solving the crisis? how will trump's america first agenda play on the world stage? there's so much to cover today with our reporters and analysts so let's get right to it.

we have a great team here today. nbc's chief white house correspondent hallie jackson is back live from trump tower in new york. joel reuben is former deputy assistance of state and president of washington strategy group. david inspector general nashs is columnist for post and steven clemens for the atlantic and msnbc contributor. hallie, walk us through what you have seen so far today with the president. i know he just met with the israeli prime minister. >> reporter: yeah. yeah. we know -- i can tell you based on some conversations that jared kushner, the president's son-in-law, in the bilateral with jason greenblatt helping to lead the sort of peace negotiations there, traveling to the region. but i'm being cautioned as have colleagues that this particular meeting far less about peace and instead on the setting here at the united nations general assembly focusing on iran. so that was really the centerpiece and is the expect of the discussion of president

trump and prime minister netanyahu is how to handle the iranian nuclear deal. you heard the president asked about this, about 55 minutes ago when reporters were let into the room for the traditional bilateral photo-op to take some pictures of two leaders together. the president said he'll announce very soon what his decision will be on the nuclear deal. he kind of has to given that the deadline is next month. he also talked a little bit about the idea it's an ongoing discussion, that there are constantly having these talks about the iranian nuclear deal. that is just one of the many foreign policy issues facing president trump here today and what's looming over all of this and that is the threat from north korea. how will president trump handle it in that speech tomorrow? what might he say? or, perhap just as importantly, what won't he say? right? what signals will he send via omission, if you will? we know that ambassador haley said she believes that the president in the speech already written slaps the right people and hugs the right people.

we can imagine who he will hug verbally, likely, for example, israel, and he'll likely also slap iran and north korea and venezuela, as well. this administration in particular, h.r. mcmaster, is forceful in the condemnation of president maduro there. >> thank you. we were talking about iran. i want do go back to the first point considering the meeting with the prime minister and this has, obviously, flown a little bit more under the radar with the crisis in north korea but they're tied together. no, steve? >> they're tied together absolutely and what you see unfolding is remember the iran deal came about in part of sanctions that the united states sewed together, seduced russia, china to cooperate. it was under those conditions that the i ran yan nuclear deal was established and it was done jointly with allies.

trying to solve north korea and get china and russia to do what obama did on north korea, donald trump is kiging and spiting on the iran deal which is probably the only sort of framework to get and they're absolutely tied together. we may end up seeing a lot of sound and fury in this speech about north korea but we're beginning to see the president send signals that he wants out of the iran deal and that i think will have devastating consequences on the possibilities are of north korea. >> you want to jump in? you have been talking to people up on capitol hill about this. >> yes. and like steve said, if the united states pulls out of the iran deal next month and does not certify it, we will be isolated globally. nobody at the united nations this week apart perhaps from israel and israel itself is divided prime minister netanyahu's separate from his military and intelligence leaders on the question of iran's compliance with the deal. but we will find no other allies there for pulling out of this deal and on capitol hill, there's deep concern about that. they don't know what would come

next and that is the key concern. certainly iran's behavior in the region is deeply troubling. in syria and iraq and elsewhere. but to pull out of a nuclear agreement that restrains it from getting a bomb, nobody really wants to go down the road with north korea on iran and that's the concern. >> certainly there's a lot of uncertainty about the president on capitol hill, as well. david, i want to switch gears just a little bit with you and talk about nikki haley. i have been fascinated with how she has been conducting herself at the united nations, how she's interacted with the president, the stature she's taken on especially vis-a-vis rex tillerson, the secretary of state. what's your view of the role she is playing here and positioning herself within the trump administration and the world stage? >> this is a stark turn for nikki haley. i'm told that the president loves the way that she has

become prominent at the u.n. has been drown by her into taking a much greater role in the u.n. than i think most people thought. today's speech in which he embraced u.n. reform, embraced the secretary-general, said he wanted to be a partner, you couldn't have imagined donald trump saying in the campaign. i think nikki haley's one reason for that. she's backed up at the white house by deanna powell, one of the president's most experienced advisers. so, i think the rivalry between nikki haley and rex tillerson, secretary of state, for the moment is overdone. i think it's unlikely that nikki haley will be changing jobs any time soon but she is setting herself up for more and more significant role in this administration. >> david, talk to me a little bit about the president's tweet overnight this morning or, excuse me, over the weekend talking -- calling kim jong-un the rocket man. he said he spoke to the

president but this is very much in the classic trump style. does this create nervousness behind the scenes among u.s. officials or is there enough faith in the secretary of defense and others that the president can't get too far off the reservation? i mean, what is the concern here? >> yeah. i think the rocket man reference was glib. it was a snarky tweet in the middle of a nuclear crisis and in this sense struck people as off key but you can just see donald trump thinking, this is a guy that loves to come up with phrases, crooked hillary, little mario. thinks about the slogans and plays them and i'm sure he thought a lot about rocket man and he wants to destabilize both kim jong-un dubbed rocket man and the chinese. he wants the chinese to be worried about what he might do and central to the strategy and i think the tweet is very much

in line with what he's been doing since the start of this crisis. >> steve clemens, to that point, i want to ask you about shin do abe wrote an op-ed in "the new york times" over the weekend, essentially calling for something more than dialogue and raising some questions about what others in the region might be willing to do. will china step up? do you think the u.s. and japan are on the same page right now about what needs to happen? >> i think they pretend they are but they're not. shin do abe is on the front line. two missiles flown over hokkaido and he's a hawk, nationalist, worried about the absence of response to a number of north korean provocations and doesn't want to see a nuclear conflagration and the united states or donald trump intimate to go and drop some sort of preemptive small-time nuclear thing. we are not going to get engaged in conventional war of korea and there are concerns in japan

evolving and i think abe right now wants to -- he may call a general election in japan to try to shore up support for the position of japan to take and steps short of the kinds of things that the u.s. government is intimating in terms of you could -- this is advocating a naval stockade and run risks of escalation and of miscalculation in the region and i think japan wants to see clarity and they want to see at least a little bit more diplomacy than we have had now and talking about nikki haley and rex tillerson, we don't have a state department where joel worked that's staffed with people that could try to put forward a better face on diplomacy. they're not doing that and getting the military option only discussed and not a diplomatic effort. >> david, speak to that a little bit. can the state department be effective in this scenario? is snnikki haley saying we'll kk

it to mattis saying we don't have the tools available to us? >> i think while nikki haley said, you know, she is ready for secretary mattis to take over at defense, on sunday, also, we heard rex tillerson go through in some detail his dip plo mattic strategy to reach out the north korea, the very erratic young leader kim jong-un and called the four noes. the united states is not threatening regime change and reuniany case of the peninsula and does not seek to move troops north of the dmz, et cetera. this is consistent from tillerson now for some months and no question that tillerson wants to be in a negotiation, probably directly with kim jong-un and the feeling is unless there's a credible threat, credit to believe the chinese, oh my gosh, if we don't do something to push them to

negotiations, those crazy americans may go to war, without that i think people worry that the diplomacy couldn't get off the ground. is that a good bet? we'll find out in the next few weeks. >> hmm. joel, i want to ask you, as we kind of wrap up here, there was another tweet from the president, not necessarily related to this conversation that we're having about significant world events, but rather, one where he retweeted somebody putting up an animated -- you can see it there video of hillary clinton getting hit from behind with a golf ball. does this inspire confidence on the part of other world leaders in u.s. global leadership? >> it certainly shouldn't. and i do believe that the perception around the world that the president of the united states is using twitter to communicate both policy and national security policy and personal views, weakens his words. in diplomacy, we need words that have value. if twitter is the method and showing violence against women

as the actual substance, really, leaders around the world won't have a lot of confidence in the words of the president and that's damaging for our ability to resolve these crises. >> joel, steve and david, thank you all very much for taking some time to be here today. i really appreciate it. still to come, house minority leader nancy pelosi was shouted down. we'll explain why pelosi's d.r.e.a.m. act press conference was interrupted by d.r.e.a.m.ers. plus, senate republicans may have just received a big boost in their effort to repeal and replace obamacare. we are live on capitol hill with that latest development of this quick break. every year we take a girl's trip. remember nashville? kimchi bbq. kimchi bbq. amazing honky tonk?? i can't believe you got us tickets. i did. i didn't pay for anything. you never do. send me what i owe. i've got it.

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just moments ago, house democratic leader nancy pelosi started feeling the heat over that reported deal she made with president trump over daca. [ chanting ] pelosi and two other members of congress were holding a news conference in san francisco calling for the d.r.e.a.m. act to be passed through congress and protesters walked in and interrupted the event in the middle. >> they are our vips. they're our purpose, our very important people. i'm pleased to --

>> we are immigrant youth! we are the immigrant! liberation movement! we demand! to be heard! >> the demonstrators held court there and it looks like pelosi and the lawmakers ended up leaving. msnbc's garrett hague joins us from capitol hill for more on this. garrett, good to see you. explain a little bit. i know this just unfolded. what do you know at this point? >> reporter: well, not much to be completely frank. except that what we're seeing here is the backlash for nancy pelosi and this reported deal to make a deal with president trump on the issue of daca and the so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers. you have got here the very

liberal minority leader, former speaker of the house, arguably the pivotal player in this drama essentially being upstaged from the left at home in san francisco. so this is a person who frankly all the folks protesting are liable to have to need to get a deal done with the president. so much anger here at even that possibility, that discussion, about a deal with the president. and i think, also, watching this from a democratic district anywhere else in the country and might be seeing this as a warning sign about what happens going forward for those willing to sit down and work with this president. >> a concern, garrett, right, the fact that president obama created this program, daca and lengthed so much information about these young people that it's now, of course, in the hands of president trump. i mean, president obama has sort of tempered his engagement in public life in the trump administration but this is one

area where he's privately said, hey, i care a lot about what happens to these kids. >> reporter: right. and this could be a real problem and the argument here is that for folks, for these essentially kids who wanted to take advantage of this program, they had to sort of raise their hands and be counted and say who they are, where they li and that kind of thing and many cases people did this because they trusted president obama. they trusted that administration. well guess what. now all of that information is in the hands of an administration and justice department whom they don't trust and who have not ruled out the possibility of using that information somewhere down the line to find these very same people who volunteered it. a lot of angst for the folks and, you know, your point is good. i'm curious to see if this is the thing, not the protest specifically but this issue generally if it drags out and brings president obama back into the public limelight to say something about this problem more forcefully. >> certainly a very public

demonstration of the risks that chuck and nancy are taking when they sit down around the dinner table with president trump who's very much disliked on all sides. garrett, i want to switch gears a little bit and also talking about this revived attempt to repeal obamacare. republicans now making this somewhat last-minute push to try to push the graham/cassidy bill today. where does the vote count stand at this point? rp it's hard to say exactly because so many senators say they're reviewing this and not ready to comment. some folks we are looking at like susan collins and lisa murkowski who were no votes on the previous it rations say they're not ready to jump in. rand paul made it clear -- >> surprise, surprise. >> reporter: on brand for dr. paul. john mccain has been the really interesting person to watch today. as you mentioned, i talked to him this morning and he had sort

of process and policy problems with this. remember, he voted no on the skinny repeal saying a big reason was he doesn't think the senate should be doing business this way, one party jamming things through without hearings, without time and consideration taken. he still has that problem with this process but on the policy he told me that he wanted to wait and see what arizona's governor said about the whole thing before weighing in and might reluctantly vote yes if the arizona governor supported it. in the last half hour the republican governor of arizona said he does support it and urged congress and saying congress seeing out of the mouth of the arizona governor i hear john mccain, to find a way to get to yes on this. mccain is going to be squeezed here pretty aggressively, even arguably more so than last time where he has a home state governor saying, yes, do this for arizona. >> well, they only have a couple more days to get this done. september 30th being that

deadline for those rules that would let them get it through the senate with 50 votes. joining me now, i want to go back to what garrett and i were talking about, that nancy pelosi protest. caesar vargas, the director of d.r.e.a.m. action and he's joining me via skype. cesar, great to see you again. thank you for taking the time. can you just kind of put in context for us what we should take away from this scene that's unfolding in san francisco? is this a revolt against the minority leader because she worked with the president? is there something else going on? how do you explain it as somebody on the inside of this movement? >> yeah. it's very straightforward. for us it is simple. it is about the minority leader speaker, pelosi, chuck schumer, to listen to the latino community that when they're going into the white house with president donald trump that

he -- they ask -- no strings attached and there is a lot of dangers of the compromise or potential deal that would be -- the realization of other immigrants and improve mun for the wall. there's so many scenarios to go on. for us as advocates, we let them know that the democrats are allies, they need to -- push forward for -- just as they're going to -- the president -- and tries to jam up -- because i'm going to tell you to everyone that i'm as a -- i'm not going to throw my mother, 74-year-old under the bus, just to get a green card. i think that's what the sentiment for d.r.e.a.m.ers around the country is and that's a mess and to democrats. >> i apologize. we are having a little bit trouble hearing you. i want to try to follow up and ask you, do you not view

democrats as allies in this in so much as relying on a republican congress to pass a fix for these d.r.e.a.m.ers? >> well, of course. democrats are having receptive to d.r.e.a.m.ers, have been receptive to listen to our stories. nevertheless, the loyalty lies with our communities, our families and we are going to push democrats as well as republicans to ensure that we have a permanent solution. a permanent solution for d.r.e.a.m.ers and permanent solution for the 11 million undocumented immigrants. i think this is -- we are going to work with nancy pelosi and senator chuck schumer but ensure that they're not throwing any under commitments under the bus to look good -- that's the message that we are ending to the democrats. >> cesar vargas with the d.r.e.a.m. action coalition, thank you so much for getting in touch with us quickly. and our thanks to my colleague garrett haake.

next, why the president's legal team may want to talk shop behind closed doors. a reporter who was just grabbing lunch uncovered deep divisions within the president's legal team over what else, russia.

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the weight of the ongoing russia investigation is exposing deep divisions in the president's legal team. internal conflict that went very public when it was overheard by "the new york times" reporter last week. this is a picture snapped by "times" reporter ken vogel overhearing ty cobb, he's the one with the mustache, discussing the dispute with white house counsel don mcgahn at a restaurant. the man across the table is trump lawyer and at the heart of the clash how much to cooperate with robert mueller's request for documents in his russia investigation. quote, the white house counsel's office is being very conservative with this stuff, mr. cobb with the mustache told mr. dowd. our view is we're not hiding anything. referring to mr. mcgahn, he

added, he's got a couple documents locked in a safe. okay. cobb was also heard saying he had reservations about another white house lawyer calling that person an mcgahn spy. joining me now, reporter for "the new york times" and contributor yameesh alshandorf and matt miller, spoker spokesman for the justice department. okay. so i don't know where to start. there's just so many things to talk about in regards to this. but first, this is right across the street from your office, right? your colleague overheard this. >> this is not even across the street. it's two doors down from where "the new york times" office is and it's on the row of the street that has both "new york times," "the washington post" and "usa today." so this is an area -- this is an area absolutely journalist territory that journalists will be eating at. really, you have two lawyers supposed to be the most competent people, up on their game, supposed to understand how

important it is to speak about these issues in privacy, speaking about them over and arguing over the documents and goes to the heart it's causing chaos in the white house, so much so talking about it openly lunch around the journalists. >> forgive me but my first question is, was this a violation of the professional ethics? >> it was if it was an intentional disclosure. something she said, this is supposed to be two competent, accomplished individuals. there is a line in the story that ty cobb was not the first choice for this job. we know that the president's outside counsel also were not the first choices for those jobs, a lot of senior high-profile washington attorneys turned it down. we have seen mistake after mistake after mistake. ty cobb -- this is not the first indiscretion and e-mailing with internet trolls. >> in the middle of the night. >> the president's outside counsel also made very indelicate comments over e-mail.

mistake of cobbs and other members of the team and bob mueller with an accomplished team of investigators in history it is a mismatch right now. >> seems mismatches to say the least. talk the me a little about -- you were on the justice department side of this but one of the concerns that mcgahn reportedly has here, he's the inside the white house counsel dealing with a lot of other issues in addition to this investigation, is this idea that the president needs to protect executive privilege and potentially ramifications of future presidencies. what underlies that concern? >> he is right to be conservative and think about not -- any time in the white house you don't want to wave a privilege unless you have to but in this case when it's a subject of a criminal investigation, the two privileges that he apparently is concerned about, executive privilege, the right of conversations with the advisers and attorney/client privilege. both of those privileges are

moot in a criminal investigation. courts ruled coming a criminal investigation, the white house cannot rely on either of the privileges, so the -- >> the private lawyers can, right? >> they can but don mcgahn can't and you have to wonder if he really holding back to protect the privileges of the presidency or is he worried about what happened in the early month where is the president was -- we know interfering with the fbi investigation a number of times and don mcgahn at the minimum a witness to many incidents. >> talk to me about the wild card in all of this, jared cu kushner, also mentioned as a flash point and mcgahn pushing for him to step down to potentially cause more problems, but now he has a lawyer, everybody seems to have a lawyer to try to protect themselves. how does the white house do any business in this environment? >> it is tough to say because everybody lawyered up and the fact that their lawyer wondering how the presidential son-in-law

factors into this, whether he should be allowed to continue to work in the white house, so many people are kind of there worrying about their own futures, there's a story of amarosa pushed out and a story of trying to have a meeting to talk about white house strategy and she was like, did you get a lawyer? i'm already lawyered up. the fact is they're having meetings of unrelated topics and did you hire counsel because you need it? that's problematic with tax reform, health care, daca, the things the white house needs to get unand instead dealing with this information and the conversations around it. >> and even past that, i mean, there was a line in "the new york times" story saying that there are some people apparently telling your newspaper that they're worried people are wearing wires for bob muellerment real igsiistic? >> imagine you're scared your co-worker is filming you with a federal investigation. that tells you the level of stress and the tense atmosphere that people are working under.

>> so, to take this from this investigation to politics for a second, i want to show you something hillary clinton was just on national public radio as part of a book tour and said something that caught my attention. >> i want to get back to the question, would you completely rule out questioning the legitimacy of this election if we learn that the russian interference in the election is even deeper than we know now? >> no, i would not. i would say -- >> you're not going to rule it out? >> no, i wouldn't rule it out. >> that took me aback. i remember on election night when the clinton campaign still felt like that they were probably going to win the election, they were worried that the president was going to be questioning the legitimacy. i found it remarkable she kind of stepped out and said that. went that far. >> that is -- i would that's remarkable, too, especially the fact talking about whether or not there's collusion, the idea to question the election when she said over and over again she

won't run again and not interested in politics and tells you that hillary clinton might be wondering, man, i wish i was president and an avenue and remarkable eight months into someone else's or now nine months into another presidency. >> slowest and fastest nine months of our lives, right? thank you so much to both of you for being here. reminder, president trump's personal attorney michael cohen will testify before the senate intelligence committee tomorrow. and it's only monday, guys. meanwhile, twitter man versus rocket man. that's the headline from politico breaking down the reality of what's going on between the u.s. and north korea. is kim jong-un the scariest character in this conflict? three storms are threatening the same areas hard hit by hurricane irma. the latest storm track, up next.

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wnbc dave price is tracking both storms and joins us from the weather center. dave, let's start with maria. what can these folks who have been so hard hit by the hurricanes expect to see over the next couple of days? >> conditions just awful. i wish i had better news to report but the story is this now. convergence on the model data and what that means is all of the different groups that have different ways of analyzing the path of this storm are all but coming much more congealed. all beginning to zero in on the leeward islands and puerto rico as the storm. this is a look at how active the atlantic is right now. there's jose. there's maria. there's lee. much less of a concern for us. let's start off taking a look at jose around the tri-state area stretching down to cape hatteras. that storm at this point packing winds of about just about 75 miles per hour. it's moving north at 9, not much to change about this storm.

it is going to bring high winds, high surf, heavy rain in sections of the tri-state area, all the way into new england over the next 48 hours. we have tropical storm warnings and watches in effect. all eyes right now on maria. look at the fury and see the eye wall beginning to form. there are the leeward islands. this storm now picking up to 125 miles per hour. rapid intensification expected. with winds at this point really beginning to howl and extend well outside with tropical storm force. it should travel west-northwest at 10. the wind speed picks up and that's why that concern over the leeward islands and a direct hit potentially for puerto rico. we'll continue to watch it but, again, at this point, the news is awful for folks who have already endured so much in this region. >> hope that trajectory changes just a little bit, give some of those people some peace. dave price monitoring the storms

from new york, thank you so much for your time. >> you bet. also, in new york, world leaders are gathering at the united nations where north korea is expected to take center stage. secretary of state rex tillerson this morning addressed the north korean provocations. >> secretary tillerson, what kind of pressure do you hope will be put on north korea this week on the world stage? >> well, we'll have plenty of opportunity to talk about that with many, many international leaders and i think the u.n. security council resolutions really speak for themselves, unanimous view of what's needed for north korea to do to correct its situation. >> so here are the latest developments. in a show of force, the u.s. flew advanced bombers and stealth jets over the korean peninsula near japan. "the new york times" reports the u.s. is trying to determine if china and russia are still supplying north korea with the ingredients of rocket fuel and some experts believe the north may now be able to produce that

fuel on its own. and japanese prime minister shin do abe wrote in a "the new york times" op-ed, quote, more dialogue would be a dead end with north korea. all of this after president trump said he called north korean leader kim jong-un rocket man in a conversation with south korea's president. joining us now to talk about this, political chief international affairs columnist susan glasser. your column today is about the rhetoric between donald trump, kim jong-un, twitter man versus man and you wrote, quote, calling it one or not, trump has a red line. a move that a number of u.s. national security hands i have spoken with recently consider to be a serious and even self-inflicted escalation of a genuine crisis with north korea. you point out the president is talked about fire and fury. other administration officials say military operations 0 r on

the table. what do you mean by him having drawn a red line and what are the potential consequences for it? >> thank you so much. i think the bottom line is calling something acceptable and very specific about it and repeatedly say that, then if that thing happens, and it looks by all accounts as though north korea on the brink or has already developed an icbm capable of reaching the continental united states, when that threshold is breached in a clear cut way, donald trump has made it very clear that's unacceptable so when's the united states going to do about it? and that is, you know, call ate red line or not, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a red line. right in that's a genuine policidy laem ma for the united states because it's not at all clear despite the vigorous pronouncements of the trump administration we have a military option that's acceptable. we have military options but is it one we're really prepared to

use? >> right. and the japanese prime minister shin do abe's op-ed over the weekend essentially said, look, dialogue is over. and quite frankly, the record of these agreements with north korea is not great. i mean, they say that they're going to do something and don't follow through on it. what -- is there anything other than military force that -- but, you know, farther along than dialogue on the table here? i mean, the japanese prime minister said we are done with dialogue but is there anything in between that and, you know, warships, bombs and guns or not? >> i spoke with ambassador chris hill, the last american diplomat to negotiate face to face with the north koreans and he said, well, we need to find that space admittedly the very small space between war and peace. what does that mean? i mean, it would involve escalating conventional steps, siber attacks, even more sanctions but as you saw, just last week, they tried at the u.n. to get tougher sanctions

and ended up with something not quite as difficult and there's es ka la tori steps and where the military folks i talked with and makes them uneasy right now. not the idea that donald trump will order some kind of an unprovoked preemptive strike, although that certainly is a possibility, but that in escalating the conventional pressure and including military pressure on north korea perhaps we miscalibrate, perhaps they misunderstand when's very confusing rhetoric at the moment and then all of a sudden we find ourselves locked in a course toward war that nobody really wanted. >> situation with not a lot of good options here. susan glasser, thanks so much for your time. >> thank you. the commander in chief is heading back to bama in hopes of swaying the state's congressional runoff and in rare form the president's pick is pitting him against the far right of his base, including his former adviser steve bannon. the editor in chief joins me

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and campaign for incumbent senator luther strange, four days before the primary election. the show of support pits the president against steve bannon whose gone all-in on runoff opponent ron moore. right now polls have moore, more in the lead. bannon views it as a test whether others can challenge insurgents in 2018. a threat all too real for republicans on capitol hill. joining me now, rick tyler, republican strategist, former ted cruz national spokesman and msnbc political analyst and the breitbart senior editor at large. thank you both. i love this story. fascinating, rick, you and i just talking about it. does this make sense for president trump? why is he with luther strange on this? >> not at all. the president has gone to war with speaker ryan and mitch

mcconnell and now all of a sudden is on their side. conservative republicans, largely all of alabama's base are tired of establishment picking their candidates and this happened in this particular race and they got trump to come in on this race. bannon, since he left the white house, i remember one day i was here in washington and four people in one day talked to bannon, i hadn't, but talked to him recently. bannon is all-in on this race and other races and intends to wield a force within the republican party and this is the proxy fight between the establishment and insurgents in the republican party and trump for some reason i have to say is on the wrong side. >> and take that to you. is the president on the wrong side and aaassume we've been in the room with the president? the wrong call here by the president? >> call it the new agenda, the

new coke. working with democrats on this daca deal. i think rick is correct to say, it started as a fight between insurgents and establishment is now a referendum on trump's new approach, and i think you'll find that the grass roots, the trump supporters, who are coming out for roy moore have a very different view from those in washington who are pouring millions into luther strange's campaign, including president trump. he's tries to see and test whether the trump personality is stronger on the original agenda. a contest between person and agenda. right now the agenda is winning. >> so why is mr. bannon going to war with the president on this? >> i would think that steve, as he said, when he led the white house wants to support the trump agenda. remember the whiteboard, all the campaign promises trump made? >> doesn't seem like a move to do that. the president saying, hey, i want the other guy.

>> steve's impression, would be, i can't speak for him, certainly the impression at breitbart and throughout the conservative grass roots is that we're helping donald trump's agenda by defeating the establishment candidate. that's what people would say to you, because trump's agenda is what people voted for him to enact. and the establishment in washington including the republican establishment doesn't want him to do all of those things. we haven't seen enough progress on the border wall, haven't seen any real prid quo quo on daca. >> the best analysis a report at hotair.com where they speculated what probably happened was that donors who backed luther strange are powerful players also in any re-election campaign that trump might hope to run in 2020. so they're telling trump that unless he backs their pick for

senate in alabama, their wallets are closed for 2020 and showing them he can play ball. take a political risk backing a candidate losing in polls, who happens to be their chosen candidate. whatever the real story is, in the back rooms in the beltway, it's not a winning proposition. i agree with rick. it's not a winner for trump. he's backing a losing candidate. may move votes in alabama but not enough to win a runoff and the republican likely to win in the final election in december. the question, what kind of republican? one that supports the original trump campaign agenda or supports the new coke? the one who supports mitch mcconnell and the direction trump is taking with democrats? >> speaking of mitch mcconnell, rick, walk for a second if it's senator roy moore? alabama? >> complicated for him. again, i think trump is igger in rant on the politics of all this. someone convinced him, it's our guy, he'll get the job done, and

joel's right. trump had an agenda in the campaign but not ideologically bound. steve bannon is. steve bannon actually believe things and will work towards those things whether the pr president wants to go in this direction or not. this is a fight. the conservative base, sick of the establishment, sick of mcconnell. don't let them pick our candidates and this is the proxy fight. trump is clearly on the wrong side. >> and msnbc political reporter and from breitbart, thank four taking time today. one more thing before we go. i watched this last night. the emmys with a side of spice. that's right. last night the one, the only sean spicer reprised his role as white house press secretary to send a stark message to the stars. [ cheers and applause ]

>> this will be the largest audience -- to witness an emmys, period! both in person and around the world. >> wow. that really soothes my fragile ego. >> my question for sean is, which he enjoyed more? finally meeting the pope once he left the white house, or getting to make that appearance at the emmys? sean, let me know. and a little breaking news for you. sean spicer just did an interview with the "new york times" moments ago and was asked if he regrets that first press conference on inauguration day. conflating the president's crowd size, spicer responds, of course i do. absolutely. he tells the "times" last night's appearance at the emmys was a move to poke a little bit of fun at himself. and that's where we'll leave it as we begin a new week here on msnbc live. i'm kasie hunt in washington. my good friend katy tur will be back with you tomorrow. ali velshi picks everything up

now. >> k.t., thanks. have a great rett of your afternoon. good afternoon. i'm ali velshi. how is the president who believes in america first philosophy going to face off against the world? >> we must ensure that no one and no member state shoulders a disproportionate share of the burden. and that's militarily or financially. >> all right. the president delivering his first comments this morning at an event aimed at reforming the united nations, but will the president carry that same tone tomorrow which he addresses the 193-member organization, or is, will his temper -- is he tempering his america first remarks? and america needs help of others with not only the north korean crisis, but getting ready to meet with the french president