conditions new jersey already a law that covers that, which i support. we wouldn't have a question about preexisting conditions. each state would make that determination on their own. >> we're all out of time. >> really? >> but this is fun. you should come back. >> really? fun for you, maybe. >> thank you for getting in there and covering that important issue. >> this is the only reason i came. >> i know that. keeping it real. my thanks to the governor, and elise and rick. that does it for our hour. "mtp daily" starts right now. >> as always, hi to the governor for you. say hi to the governor for me. >> hi to the governor. >> still sensitive, chuck. >> the chair -- the -- >> why can't we get along. >> the chair is saws here, governor. you know that my friend. good evening. i'm chuck todd in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." a wild day in washington. republicans going all-in on a last-ditch effort to repail or

eplace obamacare. not a full repeal. the plan for next week. and keeping our eye on to international and national relief efforts in two separate national disasters. rescuers in mexico city are working to pull people from the magnitude 7.2 earthquake. death toll sits at 223. more on efforts there later this hour. first to hurricane maria, the category 4 storm slammed into parts of america. puerto rico, specifically, this morning. with 155 mile-per-hour winds. the entire island is without power. the mayor of san juan expects it could take up to six months to totally restore power to the island. president trump hat approved an emergency declaration for puerto rico and the virgin islands, feeling the storm's impact in st. croix. of course, this hurricane comes two weeks after irma hit st. thomas and st. john. you know, that put a lot of pressure on resources in puerto

rico. joining me on the phone from san juan is tammy leutner with us. my colleague over there, and tammy, i saw we got gabe on camera last hour. we know that people are just now sort of assessing damage. we know it's bad. what are you seeing? how bad is it? >> reporter: hey, chuck. you're right. we know it's bad, but we don't know how bad it is. that's because correspondents have not been able to assess damage yet. i know this because we rode out the storm at the fema operations center, with about 300 first responders and they have not been able to leave the hotel and go out on to the streets. part of the reason is that they a blocked in and working on that. across the lined. 100% power outage that will take months to take care of. also a curfew in place from 6:00 p.m. until 6:00 a.m. this goes until monday. the airport is closed until at least saturday. and now president trump is

promising federal resources. chuck, the big question is, what is the tent of the damage? we know it is going to take time to figure it out. working on it. possibly much is ahead of them. chuck? >> let me ask you this, tammy, do they expect to have to essentially evacuate people off the island, because it is going to take months to provide proper shelter? do they have the capacity to shelter everybody on the island, on the island, or do they think they'll have to evacuate people to new york, to florida, wherever somewhere in the mainland? >> reporter: without a doubt, i can tell you, they do not have the capacity to house everybody here on the island. they have about 500 shelter now and can hold between 50,000 to around 100,000 maximum. keep in mind, there are 3 million people that live here in puerto rico. so, no. they're not going to be able to house everybody here. it's unclear what will happen and where they will go.

>> is that something -- something that the government of puerto rico, a fema decision? who's going to be putting together that plan, or whose responsibility is that at this point? >> reporter: i think that's too soon to tell. i can tell you that because communication is really poor on the island. i mean, even the emergency operation center is having a hard time communicating with femaened we're not that far apart on the island, but they're having a hard time getting messages back and forth, who needs assistance at this point. it's unclear. >> clearly, if you have loved ones in puerto rico trying to figure it out are hopefully finding out, not hearing from them, it can simply be a communications problem and nothing more. hoping that is the reason. a long few months for puerto rico and perhaps a long year. thanks. a lot more on all of these nar disasters coming up in this hour but turn now to the night's big news in politics. watching one heck of a bear and knuckles brawl over what, i guess, is the final attempt by

the republican party, call it their last gasp hair mary effort to at least roll back parts of obamacare. republican leadership said today they're planning for a vote next week. likely the end of the road. why? next saturday is a deadline effectively killing this republican congress' opportunity to repeal the law with just 50 votes. if they don't get this passed. nothing lights a fire in washington quite like a hard and fast deadline. >> now president trump today urged republican senators to vote for their latest repeal legislation, in this case spearheaded by lindsey graham and bill cassidy, republicans. and calmed out rand paul for opposing it calling him such a negative force when it comes to fixing health care, quote/unquote. and moments ago responded whether or not this bill could get through congress. >> is the bill going to pass? >> a very good chance. obamacare is a disaster. it's failing badly. for seven years i've been

hearing repeal and replace obamacare. for seven years hearing how bad obamacare is. i think there's tremendous support for it. i think it's actually much better than the previous shot. >> just before mr. trump spoke we saw the obama in obamacare rip in to this latest repeal effort. >> when i see people trying to undo that hard-won progress for the 50th or 60th time -- with bills that would raise costs or reduce coverage it is aggravating. and all of this done without any demonstrable economic or actuarial or plain common sense rationale, it frustrates. >> meanwhile, democrats are looking at ways to gridlock the senate beyond repair in order to stop this effort. >> democrats considering using any proposal tools to run out the clock on this? >> do everything to protect

health insurance of millions of americans. we think a million people in illinois will lose insurance. is that worth using every procedural method you can think of? you bet it is. >> ah, meaning next week will be a -- roberts rules of order mess. anyway, republicans are trying to use the democrats' push for a single payer system as a rallying cry of their own. >> the democrats are never going to give up on socialized medicine. we're so close. if you can get two or three votes it can make a difference. >> still, there are several republican holdouts both kentucky's rand paul and maine's susan collins look like hard no votes. meaning republicans can't lose anyone else, because three total defections will kill the bill, and right now a couple of key republicans say they're on the fence. >> are you leaning towards supporting it or -- >> i need more information on it. looking into numbers. we don't have the number wes think we need to make that decision. >> i'm still looking for the data that walks me through how

alaska actually does. >> so instead of trying to jam something through like a "skinny repeal" let's do it in the normal process. >> and if they were hoping for an off ramp pointing to bipartisan negotiations to stabilize the health care market -- colleague lamar alexander dashed them a bit saying those talks didn't work. democrats don't agree. they insist progress was being made. health care, folks, the herd rail in politics for a reason. co-author, bill cassidy, found himself in rare position being excoriated before an audience of millions. jimmy kimmel, over an interview cassidy did on that show a few months ago. >> i didn't name it this. he named it this. the jimmy kimmel test, which was in a nutshell, no family should be denied medical care, emergency or otherwise, because they can't afford it. last week bill cassidy and senator lindsey graham propose add new bill, the graham/cassidy

bill and it passes the jimmy kimmel test, but a different jimmy kimmel test. this one, your child with a preexisting condition gets the care he needs if and only if his father is jimmy kimmel. otherwise, you might be screwed. this guy, bill cassidy, just lied right to my face. >> here's cassidy's response today. >> do you think that this legislation passes the jimmy kimmel test? >> absolutely. >> he called you a liar last night. >> a personal attack anned i can't help that but can say if you're in texas or in maine, in virginia, missouri they'll be resources in your state that you did not have to provide you coverage and we have protections from pre-existing conditions. >> i'm joined now by republican senator ron johnson of wisconsin, of course, one of the big four co-sponsors, whose name is on the new health care bill. that is attempting to repeal obamacare. senator, welcome back to the show, sir. >> chuck, how you doing? >> okay. let me start with a larger funding question.

why did -- why did you decide in coming up with your funding calculations for this bill to basically take all of the money that for the states that did expand medicaid and put it in the same pot for states that didn't expand medicaid? why not make the uber first number the equivalent of what would have happened if all 50 states expanded medicaid and start your bloc grant process from that number? >> i would start from the premise, $20 trillion in debt over the next 30 years cbo projects at least another $100 trillion of deficit spending. mortgaging our kids' future. the main premise would be right now federal funding on health care is grossly unfair. you have three states. california, new york and massachusetts, a little more than 20% of the population gets 36% of the obamacare funding. it's simply unfair. >> do you know why that is?

a simple explanation -- senator, a simple explanation for that. those three states close to participate in the program. had the states of texas and florida done that, that percentage you just rattled off to me -- the unfairness, blamed the republican governors, no? >> chuck, we're $20 trillion in debt. chuck, do you have kids? >> of course i do. >> are you concerned about the fact with mortgaging our kids' future, $20 trillion in debt more than $120 trillion in the next 20 years. obamacare exacerbated that and out of control spending exasperated the prock. we have to begin putting control over the out of control entitlement programs, medicaid, obamacare is one of those. of course, obamacare expanded medicaid to able-bodied working-age khiellechildless ad putting at risk elderly and children. obamacare funded medicaid for,

again, able-bodied working-aged child ltz adults at 100% versus normal medicaid for disabled some around 60%. i am concerned about the disabled children, the elderly, whose medicaid put at risk by the expansion of medicaid to able-bodied working age childless adults. >> this ended up pits states against cities. new york, you said, massachusetts -- >> obamacare pitted states against states. so new york -- 36% of funding went to three states. that's not fair, chuck. >> they chose to expand it would look at it, wait a minute. we participated in a federal program. look, you may not like it, but a federal program that was approved. and now you're taking away those resources from programs designed -- you're doing it on a partisan basis? what's the -- why do two wrongs make a right? >> we had responsible states, responsible governors that realized that medicaid in general was unsustainable. the last thing you'd want to do is throw another entitlement on

top of an already unstable program. responsible governors like governor walker realizes the trough would eventually dry up. that's true. so they did, the last thing you want to do lay on top another entitlement. governor walker, instead, didn't get credit for it. the only governor using innovative techniques to close the coverage gap under obamacare for people making less than 100% of the poverty level. what states would do and graham/cgraham graham/cassidy/hill/johnson does. rather than one size fits all, grossly distributed -- grossly distributed in an unfair way. distribute it fairly to the states to innovate. like maine, high-risk pool. institute guaranteed issue one of the primary drivers of premiums art firnlly increased. took that guaranteed issue. didn't repeal it, supplanted it.

premiums cut into a third, to a third, of what they were for young people. about half for old guys like myself. there's actually things you can do even through constraints of the marketable resources of obamacare but the states -- have to be gishen flexibility to do. >> so totally got the federal government using money to incentivize. i get that part. let me ask you about another part of the bill. >> and for our kids' future. >> because of the pre-existing condition issue. this is what is written in your bill. and it said this -- a state were request a waiver when they put together their program on the essential benefits and things like that. a waiver on the regulation. if the state intends to maintain access to adequate and affordable health insurance coverage for individuals with pre-existing conditions that is the lone sentence on this. my question to you is -- how do you legally enforce that? how -- what is the metric you're going to judge whether a state

is providing adequate and affordable health insurance coverage for individuals with pre-existing conditions? what is the metric? who's the account act? >> chuck, you're fully aware the center an reckon killiation rules we can't repeal n. that remains the face of the land. do you think a bureaucrat is more -- state and local officials aren't going to care about the people in their state. i'm the guy that's been trying to protect the forgotten men and women of kobamacare. the folks bill clinton busting it working 60 hours a week, premiums doubled, tripled and more in many cases. coverage cut in half. they can't afford kay because of marked extortions of obamacare. states will understand that, show far more compassion to those forgotten men and women. no compassion shown to them by

democrats in obamacare. and they'll actually innovate to try to bring premiums down, like maine did, with an invisible pool. do this not one a one size fits all model with obamacare. >> senator, i believe you, you're committed to doing that but didn't tell me how, what's the accountability here? how do you -- you know -- a state can -- nothing in the word intend that guarantees anything. i understand that you believe -- >> chuck, guaranteed remains law of the land. guaranteed issue means the law of the land. >> how do you enforce this and who decides what is affordable and adequate? you know? one person can say, i've got a $30,000 deductible. who makes that decision? >> who decided under obamacare? is care affordable? premiums nationally doubled under obamacare. tripled in many cases. people are paying a fine -- 100,000 paying a fine.

82% make less than $50,000. obamacare isn't working. >> i'm not asking about obamacare, senator. >> i have greater faith in state and local officials caring about their individuals. they're going to be compassionate, chuck. what your premise is. >> i believe you. >> that they won't be. >> no. >> good. we don't have a problem. it's going to work. >> senator, as you know, if you don't write it into the law, it doesn't always get followed, sir. i mean, we have been through this. >> chuck what is obamacare called? patient protection affordable care act. millions lost insurance. the forgotten men and women that can't afford insurance? just because you write it into law doesn't make it show. gq bk obamacare is a failure. >> i'm not talking about obamacare, senator. >> 50 states managing that money more efficiently, more effectively, more accountably than washington, d.c. there's the premise. you just -- >> i believe you. >> you believe they can actually do this? i don't. >> honestly, i don't know.

i'm here asking you this question, though which is how does this sentence -- >> 50 states -- >> i'm saying is there any way-what is the accountability to make sure that the 50 states, however they do this, adequate, provide access to adequate and affordable health insurance coverage for those folks with pre-existing conditions? what is the metric? who decides this. >> the guarantee are the elected officials are going to be responsible to their citizens. local and state government is far more accountable than faceless bureaucrats in washington, d.c. so the control is the electorate. the only guarantee in this process -- >> there's no guarantee in -- >> if we don't do anything, premiums will continue to rise, markets continue to collapse and obamacare unworkable. there's a 100% guarantee on that. i have greater faith in state and local officials showing compassion, not forgetting about forgotten men and women of obamacare. just more faith in state and local governments.

i realize maybe you don't and certainly democrats don't, but the proof is in the pudding. obamacare has failed. it's failing individuals, real harm and damage done by obamacare. i'd rather turn it over to the states. makes a lot more sense and by the way -- distributed far more fairly. >> is there any mechanism here that guarantees the protection on preexisting conditions? because this sentence as written is not a guarantee. >> it's the law of the land. >> it's a promise. not a guarantee rnts it's the law of the land. >> "intend" is not a promise. intend is -- >> a guaranteed issue. guaranteed issue is not being repealed. the only waivers that that language refers to, states getting grants on waivers, on the other market extortions. some of the essential health and benefits. by the way, obamacarbob carpents convocation center -- obamacare

had favor. the one size all model failed. >> you contend this bill will protect those folks with pre-existing conditions, period? >> every bit as well as obamacare did and also going to protect individuals that can't afford obamacare right now. you'll have the state innovation. again, look at best practices, like maine's inindividualsable high-risk pool. and not repealing guaranteed issue but lowered premiums dramatically. >> senator johnson, i'll leave it there. i hate when we do a satellite conversation. people think it's something else, but it's a pleasure. >> come innsh studio, we can duke it out there. >> we will do it. enjoyed it. have a good day. >> you got it. a lot moor on the latest health care fight ahead and the desperate search for survivors in central mexico continues after that major earthquake topplealed so many buildings in the country's beautiful capital city. an update on efforts there, next. i count on my dell small business advisor

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an update on rescue efforts in mexico city followed that 7.1 magnitude earthquake that killed at least 223 people. rescue team continues to look for signs of life during the 24 hours since the quake. we'll have at least more time for good news. so far 52 people rescued from the rubble. at least 25 young children and teachers died in a school building collapse. dozens missing. again, rescues are ongoing and we're still in the rescue and recovery mode. this afternoon president trump spoke to this mexican counterpart offering u.s. help in the search and rescueists. a lot more update on this and other news right after this. back at red lobster. and we went all out to bring you even more incredible shrimp and new flavors. like new nashville hot shrimp, drizzled with sweet amber honey, and new grilled mediterranean shrimp finished with a savory blend of green onions, tomatoes, and herbs. feeling hungry yet?

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all right. health care wars are back. it never goes away. ramesh, we're down to john mccain and lisa murkowski. does one of them vote this down? and adding cory gardner to the mix before a place holder. i think more real now. where are you on this? >> have to bet against this happening. >> still bet against? >> i think so. a will to get it done, but you can't afford to lose more votes. already lost collins. lost rand paul. doesn't look like either is a gettable vote, giving them just one more -- leaves no marge be for error. >> this cbo issue is a good excuse if looking for a way out? >> not scored. no time to score it. you can't know the effects and the costs. that lail they'll be. previously not great. those votes didn't go down in the republicans' favor. and laying odds on it, why will this pass now under these

circumstances? >> i assume if lindsey graham beb begs john mccain, he may be there. may come down to murkowski. >> hitting familiar scripts. right? a vote on the horizon. looks this thyme on my side get really scared, this time might part and analysis comes out showing how much money you lose, coverage you lose and in fact, previous conditions and starts to get that same feeling that they just can't pull this out. i think, i can't imagine this one, and the -- the impact of this particular proposal is more egregious than the ones rejected before. i can't see how it comes together. >> let me ask you this -- do you think if bernie sanders had wait add month to unveil single payer, make it a litmus test, not making it one, but essentially -- >> said he wasn't. >> but roll it out with nothing but 2020-ers, it sends a message. because i've talked to a lot of

republicans both consultants and lawmakers, who have said, hey, that's giving us the space to do this again? >> i don't think that -- i think that what they -- i mean, senator johnson, what he wants is money. he wants medicaid cuts for tax cuts. that was where he started his argument. what is driving think. >> and he's always been a fiscal guy. why he ran. >> that's what's riving -- i don't think what senator sanders did had any impact. >> you don't think it politically gave republicans more space? i was surprised. i don't think anybody's connecting it that way. i was surprised after the daca debt limit swap. i thought that might create uncertainty in the congress, that the congress on the republican side couldn't get it together to pursue health care, but pursuing it -- >> i do think single pay sir playing a role on the republican side at least in rallying republicans, because basically the central argument lindsey graham is making the last days

is this debate is hurdling further to the left, and we've got to apply the brakes. either move this system in a more free market direction with this legislation or end up with sanders care. >> what's funny, from 60,000 feet, in other words, it was 30,000, now go from 60,000 feet, and i know that jennifer's going to take issue with this. but essentially, the blueprint of obamacare is what graham, what cassidy graham is sort of protecting. >> uh-huh. >> and it's -- it's as if -- is that already a win for democrats? right now republicans are fighting to keep the archite architecture of obamacare in place? >> and fighting for an experiment in federalism, too, right? a cord, seems to me, what senator johnson, left to states. i don't want faceless bureaucrats in washington deciding this because i trust bureaucrats in my own state to do it. you know those more. the faces. a fairly philosophicalty tin t

distinction and late in the game to argue for that. >> do you concede they are fighting to protect, jennifer, at least the architecture, blueprint of it? >> structure of it, but in doing it in a manner that summates what impact -- >> once democrats guess control of the presidency -- >> seven years to figure it out. nine months to pass something. and they have jammed something together that, you know if we allow for your structural architecture argument, has a huge impact on people's lives and i just don't see any way they'll get this done. >> they keep most taxes and spending and regulation of obamacare. what they are doing, getting rid of the mandate so you don't have to buy health insurance if you don't want it and allowing the states to have a little more flexibility in how they spend that money. if it weren't for the kind of

heated environment now, seen as a much more modest bill rather than the hysterical attack on obamacare and all that is good and just. >> it is amazing how literally three days ago we were all ratcheted down and everything went whoop, back to it feels like april again. >> why it's not going to happen. stick around. a pause. hollywood wanting to put more of the spotlight on the russia investigations. a bipartisan group of political heavy hitters. i have to say, a unique group of people. i'm curious. stay with us. how do you chase what you love

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welcome back. each day we get a new development in the russia invoefrt gatien. just this afternoon "new york times" reports bob mueller is seeking information from the white house including documents related to the president's discussion in the oval office with russian officials about his decision to fire the fbi director james comey and nbc news confirms what the "washington post" reported this hour. investigators found evidence that former trump campaign chairman paul manafort offered to provide a private briefing about campaign 2016 to a kremlin-linked russian billionaire just days before mr.

trump accepted the republican nomination. manafort spokesperson confirmed those e-mails where this came from were, in fact, true and confirmed that us to us here at nbc news. this investigation, folks, will go on for months, perhaps years, and hard to keep up with all the information. now a group of national security experts and even celebrities hoping to organize the deluge of information with a new nonprofit initiative and yet you have morgan freeman promoting the non-partisan committee to investigate russia and one of its founders of the group and member of the advisory board actor, writer, director rob reiner. welcome back. >> thank you, chuck. >> the last time we talked at the democratic convention about archie bunker. >> that's right. >> and its impacts on 2016. let me ask this -- your committee is the committee to investigate russia. with all due respect, we've got a lot of committees investigating russia now.

both in congress and mueller. is that what this is? or is it something else? explain. >> it's more of an aggregate. more of a one-stop shopping. hopefully comprehensive. people can come to the site and really try to understand the totality of what has been happening. what has happened during the election and in the past and in going forward. yes, they'll be breaking news every day, as you pointed out, and they'll be, you know, tracking the various investigations, but more importantly it will give a history as to where this came from in terms of the original soviet union now russian involvement and going forward will have a, an understanding of what cyber warfare is all about. because i think people are getting a lot of information from a lot of different sources, but it's very hard and -- to get it all, and to -- so complex. we want to cut it all in one place for people to try to understand everything that's

happened. >> so among the folks involved, max booth, sort of a conservative national security commentator. james clapper, former director of national intelligence. cherry sikes, conservative commentator, msnbc contributor, among others. what role are they playing? what are you asking them to do? >> we're looking for advice. on the advisory board and we're asking for their direction. a number of russian experts also that are helping us out with this. >> are you hiring a staff? >> yeah. we have a staff. we have a staff of editors and people that help us with twitter and facebook, and doing the uploading of all of the different articles and content we have. yeah. it's -- it's an organization. it's essentially a newsmagazine with one article. and that article is so -- broad, because it encompasses so much. we want to give the a audience

an understanding what this is all about because it is way more serious than people really understand. people get caught up in the day to day of donald trump, you know, are they going to investigate him? what's going to happen between him and manafort and flynn, and kushner and all that, but we want people to understand the seriousness of what actually happened here. that the russians actually did attack us. they actually did invade our country, and what does that mean for the future of democracy? >> what do you say to the kret simp criticism from the right, nothing more than liberal hollywood already making a decision that donald trump is guilty until proven innocent here, and this is not more than an attempt to rhetorically railroad the president? >> because this is really not about donald trump. i mean, you're too young, chuck, to remember, but when i was a young kid, we went through the cold war. you know? we were -- we did drills where

we had to hide under -- >> old enough to have done a drill but we were in miami. had it a little longer than most. >> yes. the missile crisis, how scary that was. well, we are now in a cyber war, and even though we can't feel it, we can't see it, these things are happening. the russians had made this invasion. they continue to do it. and what is happening will long be beyond donald trump. he'll be off this political stage a long -- long after that. we're going to be looking at this then and trying to determine -- this is a national security issue and we have to determine what will keep us safe? love to have a 9/11-type commission to really analyze what exactly happened here, and if there's any policy prescriptions or any rules, regulations that need to be put in place to make us safe for going forward, and to be able to defend ourselves against future

cyber attacks. not just through information, but as we know, these things can be weaponized. >> let me turn the topic to something that -- look, you have been an activist sort of as a hobbyist, i guess. because your main job has been entertainment director, but infused politics and wanted to tell lessons. how would you advise the democratic party to win over the archie bunkers of this world? >> well, i think the main -- you know, everyone talks about the russia, russia. that's not really -- that's national security, their issue and should be of concern to both parties. this is not partisan. i would say for democrats, they have to focus on the working man. and they have to focus on how to not only deliver a message, because that doesn't mean anything. you have to have policies that back up the message. and how can we help the working man that has been left behind by

factory closing down, manufacturing jobs going overseas, those jobs aren't coming back. i don't care what anybody says, donald trump. we're endering a new economy. it's a green economy, a tech economy and we have to make sure that the workers who may not have masters degrees or even b.a.s can actually work in the new economy. so we have to be able to provide a way forward for them, and show very specific, concrete ways in which they can participate in the new economy. >> you think the democratic party did let these folks down? that's been a fair knock? i mean, i had just a republican senator on earlier going, hey, i'm here trying to tlaept forgotten man. you think archie bunker was forgotten? >> i think he and democrats, the working class is not just republican white people. the working class is a very broad swath of our population, and they have been let down.

we have not been able to transition properly. we moved from the rural society, industrial society during the industrial age and a lot of people fell through the cracks. we're seeing it happen now and have to make that transition smoothly for them and provide them with real opportunities. >> glad you brought up that historical context. talk about that all the time. been through it before it's messy, but we did get through it once, we will get through this again. anyway, rob reiner, thanks for coming on. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. investigate russia.org to learn more information about what mr. reiner is up to. just ahead, why i'm osz obsessed with what's become an unfamiliar sight in american politics. you won't believe what you saw last night. i swear. stay tuned. usaa to me means

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mnuchin's government plane, the private plane to go on a honeymoon for national security reasons, whatever happened on eclipse day. in the traditional politics, pre crazy, this would have been the type of scandal that probably would have cost they both their jobs. >> yeah, and i think it will hurt. i think in secretary price's example in particular, the conjunction of it with a big vote on health care legislation that affects millions of people who aren't flying around on private jets is a really unhelpful one the. >> you have a last chance to push health care. now you're the white house. and it is like the behavior in

washington has lowered the threshold. these would have been big scandals. >> i think hearings would have been called for by now. >> probably would have been. you have the president of the united states over briefings he's given on russian oligarchs as shocking as it is to say. >> people gary this. i have heard when trump was going to mar-a-lago during the spring. i heard from pollsters that kind of thing sticks with people. it is real. i think russia is rae important and people need to pursue it but people can't relate to it the way you can, mnuchin went in a private plane. >> the goldman sachs, those who went to trump even if they may have had some reservations. they think this is not what we

thought we would get. >>er disease is a -- hypocrisy is a apart that knows no party. >> if there is a tone deafness, this strikes at the core of the trump voter. this is not what they voted for. they don't want to be paying for the health and human services secretary to be taking $20,000 flights to philadelphia and be there in 90 minutes of it is so egregious. >> it creates an impression that sticks. >> this kind of behavior doesn't happen in a vacuum. if the hhs secretary thinks he can take a private plane to philadelphia, he's making bad calls and we will see more problematic behavior. >> i always think what gets, what always gets nonrich politicians in trouble is when they're surrounded by rich

people. if you're tom price, you don't have the money. even mnuchin. they're thinking he probably does that. when you've seen bob menendez in the midst of one. lawmakers when they're surrounded by rich people, rationalize bad behavior. >> and it distorts their bad behavior in a lot of ways. one of the things you have to understand is that the white house is probably not going to be coming down on tom price like ton of bricks as would be having in a different administration. can you see president trump getting upset, morally indig nanlt about this behavior? i find hard to believe. >> yeah. is he going to say use will an track? >> one of his executive vice presidents. the mnuchin thing was saying for national securities reason they need to be on this plane. they can outfit you on a plane

for national security reasons. >> i assume we have plenty of secure locations that we can use. >> yes. you can get him on a secure phone. >> somebody whom i assume would like the understand the russia investigation, does hollywood getting involved help or hurt? >> i don't think it hurts. if you can have more people, a bipartisan group, a serious group. we want people the hear more of the details and understand why it matters. >> happy wednesday. more on mtp daily after this.

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that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow. my friend stephanie is filling in for ari. stephanie, i know you were down there in the caribbean as well. it is just heart breaking to see it and get battered yet again. think about this. puerto rico was offering aid to st. john and now they need help themselves. and there were people ferry i had over. >> huge amounts of people who have been in shelters for days and now the shelters are overcrowded. >> welcome. you're watching the beat and we are watching two national