tv MSNBC Live MSNBC September 21, 2017 12:00pm-1:00pm PDT
12:00 pm
though on a fault line, know they are susceptible because they are built on sand, even though they had an anniversary of the 1985 quake, they were doing earthquake drills, despite that a school can collapse in that way. cannot believe it. >> 7.1 quake and thankful those kids knew to get under a -- >> should be able to withstand a 7.1 quake if reinforceds correctly. obviously california hasn't seen one since the north ridge quake but made a lot of are mandatory improvements. >> these are the times you find out whether it's true. more buildings have fallen than should have. we'll stay on that story and watching rescues. a very, very busy afternoon not just in mexico but for now, all eyes on mexico city, because there is hope that rescuers can save now what we know to be five young children reportedly trapped inside the rubble of their school. you're looking at arc welders
12:01 pm
building a frame to get into a tunnel, to get into that school to get those kids, the school collapsed two days ago when a massive earthquake struck. the effort to rescue the kids all believed to be under the age of 10 has been truly nothing short of heroic and amazing. we're going to the ground in a few minutes for a live report. this area as katy said is no stranger to this kind of tragedy. back in 1985, an earthquake killed nearly 10,000 people in mexico city. one of the survivors is actress salma hayek who joins us next to talk about that and what she's doing now to help survivors of this quake. first, right to msnbc's reporter at the site of this unbelievable story watching it all unfold all day. what's happening right now?
12:02 pm
>> reporter: taking wooden beams any sorts of larger stones over -- look at this -- over to where the rescue area is happening right now. we believe, and that's what we've been told from rescue workers, they are trying to support this building which is in a very fragile condition, as you can imagine, after that earthquake. we've been talking to rescue workers who tell us there is a fear, a credible fear, that this building might continue to crumble and why you see all of these people bringing smau pieces of wood. seen metal plaques, beams brought in, an entirely different scene than the one we showed earlier in the morning where they were actually taking debris out of the rescue scene and over here outside the perimeter. they're asking me to clear the way here, because, again, they continue to bring all of these sorts of supplies here, and that is something, ali, you know, in the midst of wanting to rescue these possibly five children that we know are in there, you can just imagine the
12:03 pm
minute-by-minute anxiety of thinking that this structure might continue to crumble. because i want our cameraman to continue to pan to my left here. it's not in very good shape. that third floor pancaked after this magnitude 7.1 earthquake. just starting to look more and more fragile, even just the bottom beams of it. we've seen people from the mexican oil company come here on the scene and everyday volunteers bringing small beams that it looks like we may be here for a couple of hours. if not the entire night, because this is a process that looks to be taking a long time. in fact, right now they're asking me to move, because they want to bring in another truck with supplies to support this building, and if you just watch the urgency with which people are moving, it's completely different than that silence and that calm, that tense calm we saw in the earlier hours of the morning. just to reiterate, i'm in front of the enrique primary school
12:04 pm
where 21 children were killed. 4 adults. there are, from three to five people, individuals, most of them children, still believed to be inside, and these are the frantic rescue efforts. not only to pull them from the rubble, but also to keep this building from crumbling even more. >> and let's set the stage for people who haven't been watching you all day. at various times while you're reporting, fists are going up. your photographer will show that. you'll indicate that everybody who sees a fist goes up is supposed to halt what they're doing and not make any noise as rescuers try to listen to communication or whatever they're trying to do. that happens from time to time, at which won't you poent be able to talk loudly, if at all. it's important to understand that on the list of things they've asked for here are drill bits to cut through things. there are arc welders there. appears this is line a mine
12:05 pm
collapse. they're building what appears to be a reinforced tunnel to get to these students. >> reporter: that's exactly right, ali. we've been seeing lists that first responders have been carrying around. they're asking people for specific tools. asking people for beams. they're asking people for chain saws, for drills. people have been showing here with household tools practically, because it is almost like it's, it's a mine that could collapse. and it's evocative of the chilean miners, remember that news event we all watched so carefully. this is sort of what this scene is starting to look like here, a contrast from what we saw in the morning, and first responders telling me that the building is very fragile. it's a building, the structures that crumbled are 14 years old even though built supposedly with the new building codes, gave way to this earthquake and apparently not as reinforced as they should be and we're seeing
12:06 pm
reports that say the children did not really hear an alarm go off at the time the earthquake happened. even though it was a day in which mexico was conducting a drill, because it was 32 years after this other horrific earthquake really shattered this country, ali? >> when we started talking this morning, we believed there was one girl, weren't sure of her name and weren't even sure of her age, who was trapped in there. she made reference of other people around her. didn't know if they were alive or not. while we were talking to you, they believed three people. now we believe even more people, because somebody has a phone and is texting with somebody? >> reporter: that's exactly right, ali. there has always been this girl. people here on the ground, local media, labeled her freea sophia. people in the school tell us that is probably not her name because of all the frias and
12:07 pm
sophias in the school are accounted for. she's the girl communicating on the inside to rescue workers. came out while i was on the air with you and told us even more. there were actually probably three children in there and i just interviewed a rescue worker from los angeles, down here and in plain english asked to clarify several times, he said there could possibly are more than three but he hasn't heard of any other areas of the building there could be more people or adults. all kind of talked about the same area. these children under this granite table, now we know it could be anywhere from one to five children that are in there and that one of them has a phone, and is communicating with first responders. as you can see, from the fury of activity here on the scene, it is -- it is really minute-by-minute here. not only to save the structure from crumbling but also to bring supplies, water, i.v. fluids, to these kids that are now going on
12:08 pm
more than 40 hours underneath. >> unbelievable. we've spoke ton doctors that said if they can be hydrated they can stay alive. tell me about -- lard to understand here. they have some contact with these kids, because they have spoken to them, can hear them, at least this one girl and are able to get them some sort of rehydration therapy. pedialyte or something like that. how are they getting it is a tube? i heard they're getting them chocolate, too? >> reporter: local media reported earlier today that through a hose they were able to give this girl or these children some water. we also heard from first responders they've been handing them chocolate, handing them pedialyte. christian, the first responder we spoke to earlier, said that they dug a hole on the third floor of this structure and that is how they're sort of handing these things to the children, and they're looking at the sort of, the slimmest, tiniest first
12:09 pm
responders on the scene to be able to go in there, wedge themselves in there and actually keep these kids fed and hydrated any way they can. so that the rescue efforts can continue, and, again, just from the looks of things here, i can tell you that it looks like it's going to be several hours if not overnight we'll be here reporting on the scene. they've blocked the perimeter once again and not asked us to be quiet yet, but, again, activity is picking up really hour-by-hour here, ali. >> picking up, but, i don't -- your photographer, if he were hear me, point to where construction is, you can see it is slow, slow work. you'll see the arc welders. they're cutting, welding, cutting other things, trying to put some kind of a structure up. basically right to the right of where that ambulance door is. there's activity that looks like they're building an entrance of sorts. a crane meant to help lift something, although i haven't seen the crane lift anything yet. have you. >> reporter: i have not either,
12:10 pm
ali. i have no either. the crane came in early in the morning. i have not really seen it move at all. i think that it is just -- so meticulous of work they have to do here they probably want to move it when the time is right, and this fury of activity we're seeing in terms of the structure they're building to support the, the primary school, leads us to believe they're not sure they can proceed with the crane moving just yet. we also saw just one person lime up cha ladder that leads to that hole that they've caved right there on the top of the third floor. of the school here in mexico city. >> so your cameraman has a picture of two guys hauling a piece of rebar what looks to be in a dump truck. they're cutting things removing things out, but it's like a puzzle, because these kids are pancaked under floors. so they can't move something for fear it will crumble the whole thing and they'd lose the entire rescue effort and the chance of getting these kids outside.
12:11 pm
it must be so incredibly frustrating not just to the workers but you've been interviewing people, lay people, who showed up to help with tools? >> reporter: it is so delicate, ali. it is life and death here in mexico city in front of this primary school. they move a piece of wrong way, everything can come crumbling down, literally and figuratively here. they have been going to great lengths to build this thing really minute by minute here before our own eyes. even to my right. i don't know if our cameraman is able to pan, and i hate to tick the pake chertake the picture a here. david, are we able to show them? literally sawing wood on the side of the street. i don't know if you can hear some of that sound. literally, they have a chain saw right now. if you can just give us a minute right here, building this structure again, minute by minute and doing what is necessary to save these children.
12:12 pm
a very delicate situation here in motion coe. really, the tension grew just in the past hour while we were here, frantic efforts to save these lives, ali? >> can you tell me about the parents who are there jie know they're not near you but i understand they've brought in a psychologist and counselors to -- to deal -- i cannot imagine not knowing the fate of your child. >> reporter: i did speak to the psychologist earlier this morning, ali. he said that -- these parents are devastated. holding their breath and haven't left the scene in more than 40 hours. just wishing and hoping that one of their children could be one of these people that they're communicating with on the inside. but we also have spoken to parents, a teacher, two survivors who are students who just showed up here and wanted to be here in solidarity to hug each other and watch and see if their classmates will, in fact, be rescued. will, in fact, be born again from all of this rubble and this
12:13 pm
disaster. so people are very affected. traumatized, most of them, but that hasn't kept them from coming here, coming on the scene and again, we've giving images of the structure they're building outside the perimeter minute by minute here, figuring out what piece of the puzzle, as you said, is needed to save these people. ali? >> we will stay close to you on this. please, keep us posted on any developments in mexico city. at the site of that school where we are looking for potentially five children trapped underneath that rubble. as all of mexico grapples with this devastation, many relive the horrors of that 1985 quake. so powerful, it killed nearly 10,000 people. aft actor salma hayek was a survivor and talked about it. >> after the 1985 earthquake in mexico city i was evacuated from my building. a lot of friends died, including
12:14 pm
an uncle that was very, very close to me. i have lived through the aftermath of a disaster of this magnitude, and it's horrific. >> salma hayek joins me now. thank you for being with us. you heard us talking. they need things in mexico city. almost hourly a new sign comes out with a list of specific things they are asking for local people to provide, but to rebuild mexico city and the houses that are destroyed and the, just the destruction there, they're going to need a lot of things. you've started with $100,000 pledge. you've pledged to match $100,000 drive with unicef. tell me what this drive is about. >> well, you know, like you said, rightly so, that we have to rebuild mexico and we
12:15 pm
don't -- right now i know it looks horrible, but even though it's not shaking anymore, it's going to continue to be even worse, because people have to be evacuated from buildings, even though they haven't collapsed. even though they don't collapse, they can never go back there. a lot of them have to be exploded. there's also a lot of gas leaks and i remember just when you thought it was over, we were hiding in a relative's house, because my -- my building, i believe there was, recalling now, you could hear more and more buildings just, like, dropping to the ground and explosions, because of the gas leaks, and so there's a lot more people that will end up without a home than what we're seeing now. and, of course, there's the psychological trauma. you have to find a place for them to live, and so -- and i am working with different ngos and
12:16 pm
i am trying to raise money right now doing it -- the money i'm raising i'm going to start to work with unicef. i've worked with them many years and amazing and know how to deal with a disaster of this magnitude, but some local, who are like picking up all the pieces of the gravel and there's a lot of people who are helping, and i have to say that i have a lot of friends that are there, and even from the radio show, it's on facebook, too. i talked to him today and said what are you seeing? he said -- i am just completely heartbroken on one side, beca e because, for example, there was a woman, 75-year-old woman, who takes care, in one of the buildings, and she had been crying for 40 hours.
12:17 pm
so the doctor had to calm her. practically bleeding. and -- she has not left that place. has not slept. she's 75. and she cannot stop crying for a second, doesn't know if she dead or alive and has to understand that sometimes they have to stop digging in, because then everybody around takes a risk and she was like saying what it feels like to know that he's there, but they cannot go get him. they have to stop. >> yeah, yep. >> and it's just -- a really heartbreaking on one side. on the other side, mexico, i am so proud of my country. it is incredible. the people are closing the restaurants. closing their stores to give everything away. >> yes. >> they started turning people down because there were so many volunteers. everybody is taking people in their houses. my brother said to me, i have four friends, i have like eight
12:18 pm
people. they don't even know in their houses. the way the country has come together hand by hand to pick it up and to you know, confront it with dignity and unity, it's remarkable, and we need to support them, because they really need us. you have to remember that mexico is the third natural disaster in like a week. we cannot forget, also, all that happened in chiapas and another earthquake there and there's just a lot of need. you can just go to my instagram. i'm so bad as technology and mesmerize you can click on by buyo a bio, how much you want to donate and pay, and that's. we'll start distributing those funds, soon. >> you've partnered with unicef? >> no. organized this actually with edward norton, because he has crowd rights. so i chose to start with unicef,
12:19 pm
because i worked with them before. but i -- it was not organized by unicef and i'm a spokesperson, no, no. it was my own initiative, and, of course, edward was the perfect person because they've raised so much money and it's just incredible how anybody who wants to help now can help, and then i will give it to, you know, different ngos and local ngos and then the big job is that i also want to supervise that all of the funds are going to the most practical places and the places that need it the most. so -- i -- i -- i hope that -- even you guys, by the way, you can help out. anything. any amount will make a big difference there. >> thank you for doing that, and we're going to let people know that they can click on your, go to your instagram and a link there they were click ton to make a donation, will r which will be worked on through eun
12:20 pm
zefr and you're going to match the first $100,000 raised to it. thank you, selalma hayek for sharing. sorry. say that again? >> i already did. we have $300,000 now. >> amazing. thank you for doing that and we'll direct people there. salma hayek a survivor of the 1985 earthquake where she lost loved ones and is getting involved in this recovery effort in mexico city. i did tell you -- i didn't, actually, treasury secretary steve mnuchin just finished speaking in the midst of a busy week at the united nations. president trump announced new sanctions against north korea a short time ago and curbing the country's nuclear program and thanked an unsuspecting partner. >> a new order will give the treasury department the discretion to sanction any foreign bank that knowingly
12:21 pm
conducts or facilitates significant transactions tied to trade with north korea. china, their central bank has told their other banks, that's a massive banking system, to immediately stop doing business with north korea. and i want to just say, and thank, president xi of china for the very bold move he made today. that was a, somewhat unexpected move, and we appreciate it. >> that announcement came several hours after the president first teased it in a meeting with afghan president ghani this morning. joining me is nbc's kristen welker. what do we hear? >> reporter: well, ali, secretary mnuchin called this latest round of sanctions forward-looking. he stressed the importance of the fact that china's central bank instructed banks in china
12:22 pm
not do to business with north korea, of course, china is north korea's biggest trading partner, that could have an impact and argued that he said this will affect businesses and individuals who do business with north korea. businesses all over the world. now, he was pressed on another, a number of points, ali, he wouldn't get into details about. will there be another round of sanctions? he wouldn't answer that question. will chinese businesses be impacted by this move to sanction businesses in north korea? he wouldn't get into the details there. but the bottom line is, i pressed him on whether this round of sanctions will be different than the past several round of sanctions, slapped against north korea, which haven't had a major impact. he disagreed with that and said, look, there has been measured improvement in terms of what they're seeing in north korea that there has been somewhat of a bite of the recent sanctions, but he said what makes these sanctions differ is that it gives the treasury department more latitude. more force, if you will, to
12:23 pm
really try to turn up the heat, to pressure north korea to stop its nuclear provocations. we are still waiting to hear from u.n. ambassador nikki haley about all this. she'll be here in about another hour. again, big, big news. the key, ali, if you talk to experts in the region is that fact china is now getting onboard. you heard the president say an unexpected but important move. >> thanks very much, kristen welker for us. back to the disasters we're covering. the entire island of puerto rico without power after hurricane maria slammed the territory with category 4 winds and torrential rain. next up a closer look how the u.s. military is mobilizing to help the devastated people trapped on the devastated island.
12:24 pm
liberty mutual stood with me when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night, so he got home safe. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. dad: molly, can you please take out the trash? (sigh) ( ♪ ) dad: molly! trash!
12:25 pm
( ♪ ) whoo! ( ♪ ) mom: hey, molly? it's time to go! (bell ringing) class, let's turn to page 136, recessive traits skip generations. who would like to read? ( ♪ ) molly: i reprogrammed the robots to do the inspection. it's running much faster now. see? it's amazing, molly. thank you. ( ♪ ) thank you. you can use whipped topping made ...but real joyful moments.. are shared over the real cream in reddi-wip. ♪ reddi-wip. share the joy.
12:26 pm
your bbut as you get older,ing. it naturally begins to change, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. the secret is an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember.
12:27 pm
okay. we're finally getting a comprehensive look at the deserve stakes caused by hurricane maria in puerto rico. these pictures you're looking at are all from the capital of san juan. not an inch of the island that hasn't been touched by the storm. the entire island is without pow around hot water and it could take as long as four months to get power back. at least 16 people have been killed by the storm across the
12:28 pm
caribbean islands. many more people are missing. the majority of them on the small island of dominique. look at the pictures from dominique. the storm is wreaking ha ining the turks and caicos as it continues to move west. in san juan and also macdill air force base in tampa, florida, supplies getting ready to be shipped out to the islands. wow. incredible behind you, tammy. give me your evaluation what things look like now that you've had a chance to look at them a little bit. >> reporter: sure, ali. this is the first time we've seen this amount of devastation. if we can come over here and show you, there's one -- >> go to macdill air force base when hans nichols is standing by.
12:29 pm
with -- there we go. hans there. go back. put his earpiece in his ear and can hear us. can you hear me, hans? all right. looks like i have neither tammy or hans. we'll work it out. i will tell you hans is there with supply planes getting ready to leave florida. they're filled with stuff, ready to land in san juan. the airport has opened up. as many of you with loved ones in puerto rico are concerned about there is a supply problem getting stuff to puerto rico. fema has stuff on a barge, gasoline, i heard more than 1 million bottles of water because they're out of bottled water in puerto rico and are sending stuff in. hans will get on one of those transports from the air force. i think we've got tammy leutner back in puerto rico. tammy, talking about the stuff that's not there. the supplies they're going to need to rebuild but they don't even have basics. apparently out of bottled water in much of puerto rico?
12:30 pm
>> reporter: we have three houses in a row completely destroyed. not a whole lot there. come this way. you take a look down this road -- you can see how far the water -- has come up. -- cars that are stuck in the water. then you get a second, come over this way pup see this -- [ inaudible ]. >> all right. i've got to learn to pay my phone bims on time so we can continue to talk to our correspondents. we'll try to get that worked out and get back to you. all right. still staying with hurricanes, though. this is now about irma. we've learned a tenth person died in that nursing home in hollywood, florida, after it lost power to its air conditioning unit following hurricane irma. police say a criminal investigation is under way and the state of florida temporarily shut down the facility. firefighters were called to the facility multiple times before evacuating the building. the rehab center said they reached out to local emergency officials and first responders when power is lost and they are
12:31 pm
devastated by the loss and are fully cooperating with all authorities. still closely monitoring the rescue operation underway at a mexico city collapsed school. the race son to save five children who are known to be tranned in the rubble. we're going to bring you a live report from the scene right after the break. their experience is coveted. their leadership is instinctive. they're experts in things you haven't heard of - researchers of technologies that one day, you will. some call them the best of the best. some call them veterans. we call them our team.
12:32 pm
you don't let anything lkeep you sidelined. come on! that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein, and 26 vitamins and minerals... for the strength and energy, to get back to doing what you love. ensure, always be you. at ally, we offer low rates on home loans. but if that's not enough, we offer our price match guarantee too. and if that's not enough... we should move. our home team will help you every step of the way. still not enough? it's smaller than i'd like. we'll help you finance your dream home. it's perfect. oh, was this built on an ancient burial ground? okay... then we'll have her cleanse you house of evil spirits. we'll do anything, (spiritual chatter) seriously anything to help you get your home. ally. do it right.
12:33 pm
but on the inside, i feel chronic, widespread pain.like most people. fibromyalgia may be invisible to others, but my pain is real. fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. i'm glad my doctor prescribed lyrica. for some, lyrica delivers effective relief for moderate to even severe fibromyalgia pain. and improves function. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worse depression, unusual changes in mood or behavior, swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects: dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain, swelling of hands, legs and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don't drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who've had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. with less pain, i can do more with my family. talk to your doctor today. see if lyrica can help.
12:34 pm
12:35 pm
happening now in mexico city, a desperate effort is under way to save at least five children known to be alive beneath a collapsed school. look at that. an ambulance just going in there. seeing workers now, medical workers rushing in. crews are barely in reach of these kids through the cracks of debris. a lot of activity. on the ground, our reporter. what's going on? >> reporter: ali, i have new information for you. this comes from the general, the mexican marine corps. these are the latest numbers he just reported about this primary school we've been standing in front of for the whole day. 19 kids confirmed dead here at the enrique main primary school and six adults. 19 children confirmed dead and 6 adults.
12:36 pm
11 children rescued alive from the scene here and this girl, sophia, supposed to be her name, we've spoke about the entire day, and caught the attention of the whole country, this general is saying she never existed in this latest report. so 19 children confirmed dead. 6 adults. 11 children rescued from here and frida sophia, the girl all newspapers are talking about this morning made headlines never existed according to the general of the mexican marine corps. he's saying there are signs of life, and that is what we're hearing here on the ground. possibly adults. again, we've been hearing a lot of different theories but i think the bottom line here at this point which is what he said, and what we've been hearing on the ground from first responders, there are signs of life, but we still don't know how many people what they're ages are, or how this will all play out, and this is playing out minute by minute as you've been witnessing here on the show. >> this poster, coming out
12:37 pm
updated with things needed. what's on it? >> reporter: let me see if i can grab this first responder. can you just tell us, i don't know if you speak english. some things needed at this hour here at the school. >> okay. no in this moment, the bake things that we need. we have now food, but we need these things. >> these things are drills, lamps, ali. >> yeah. real lamps. >> they need cable. >> reporter: they need tape, jackets. they need concrete blocks. what else? >> we need some medicines, but in this moment, i don't know exactly what we need, but i need to -- go to see the other people that are in charge in medicine. >> reporter: because the medical unit, ali, a medical unit to my right she was just getting to when we spoke to her. these all seem like very basic sort of tools for building.
12:38 pm
you know? drills, concrete. >> the people that these are in this, in that place. those things in this moment, just for people who are in charge in the buildings. >> reporter: can you tell us. you've been inside. they're building a structure, i heard, to lift the roof that collapsed over where these people are? >> i'm not exactly -- how many people are there, but in the collapse, but i don't know exactly. we are entering on other things because it's not possible to enter in. >> reporter: and you have your job to do. i understand that. jumping from these things, i mean, these are building blocks, again, concrete blocks, ali. they need flashlights. i mean, drills. what else is on here? batteries. they need a chain saw. [ speaking in foreign language ] again very sort of specific tools to try to lift -- >> in this moment -- every time
12:39 pm
is moving or changing the things that we need. so in this moment, those are the things that we need. >> reporter: thank you so much. great work. i'll let you get to the medical unit over there. what we've heard from two people on the ground, ali. the structure they're trying to build is to lift the roof that collapsed over where this person or these people are inside in the primary school. >> we'll stay on top of the story with you as you have been all day, as we try and figure out how they're going to get those kids out. rescue crews working for the past two days to try and save these children. it is a painstaking process that this man knows about, urban search and rescue engineer for the british charity and joins me on the phone. i've said urban search and rescue too many times in the last few weeks. talked about it in hurricane harvey and irma and maria and now with this earthquake.
12:40 pm
what are these urban search and rescue teams? >> well, urban search and rescue is about finding people in chanced buildings, in earthquakes and other natural disasters when deployed, and there's a large number that come under that skill set. the first is actually finding the people that attract and you can use special equipment and other techniques and breaching and breaking through the structure so you can cause, cut with drills and chain saws that brik through wa break through walls, roofs, et cetera. aspect also such as shoring as mentioned. building a temporary structure around the building to try to prevent secondary collapse. one of the biggest risks in an earthquake disaster, aftershocks are almost guaranteed. >> right. what we're watching, and why this rescue is so painstaking. we know people are alive.
12:41 pm
this morning we thought one girl. now we think it may be five people. you just want to get in there and get them out. i assume these rescuers want to get in and get them out. look what we're looking at. you can't see the image, perhaps, but it looks painstaking. like they're building something, like they're shoring it up, as you say, to try to lift something up and get in there because it's a puzzle piece. if you take out something, a building could collapse on someone. >> yes. exactly. i mean, two really important things to understand is that the importance of survivable voids, and so when you have a concrete building like that, collapsing, you might end up with slabs resting against walls which leave a pocket or void underneath for someone to survive relatively uninjured. i think the children are under a table. i wouldn't be surprised if others are around the destruction, and those are why such a long period after the building has collapsed.
12:42 pm
the second important thing is structural stability. no longer really a building that you can think of. it doesn't have walls and floors anymore. >> right. >> it's a pile of heavy -- needs to move. every time after aftershock, put a piece of equipment, every time someone is on there there's a risk of things moving. by far the biggest risk of anybody in the building at the mope, they've been there are 48 hours. food and waters, a little bit of time before it becomes life-threatens. the biggest risk for their lives is secondary collapse. painstakingly it's mental and carefully determining the best way to get to the casualties without obstructing the structure, then you could cause a lot more issues. not only for the people already trapped also for your teams inside the building. >> yep. >> stabilizing the building is absolutely key. >> you are a structural engineer. perhaps you can help me the fact we've been watching wood and metal and tools and we've been watching diamond sort of cutters
12:43 pm
and we've been seeing arc wel r ers. does it make sense to you and what does it add up to in your mind? >> two things. equipment -- three things. equipment to be used for. that is breaching and breaking, lifting and shifting and shoring. so the shoring is probably the timber and maybe other metal products used for to hold the structure up and so that it won't move any further in the case of an aftershock, as you start to cut away things. the breaching and breaking is the fact there's not going to be any complete parts between you and the victim. if it was, they would have got out already. that you have to tcut through things. that's what the hammer drills are for. cutting through floors and so, for and lifters when you have large slabs and those are move very, very carefully. >> we have a crane on site.
12:44 pm
we haven't seen the crane do anything yet. i assume, latch on to a piece of concrete and the same fear. it will offset something else. once braced and shored things and removed big pieces of concrete, that's what the crane is meant to do? >> yes. precisely. i mean, and -- you mentioned engineering. there's engineers there, many competent engineers on site. where the wait is, where it's going. if you have a crane there, and that crane could be incredibly useful but have to be incredibly careful in lifting heavy items not to cause a secondary collapse and caused children to be crushed. it's incredibly difficult to ascertain that, and because you're not really just looking at a building to analyze things. just a pile of heavy things. really, you want to avoid lifting anything heavy out of the way if you can.
12:45 pm
just break small parts to get to the children. >> you've made it a point. thank you for that. looking at this, it's no longer a building. was a building 48 hours ago. joshua, thank you so much for giving us some clarity and insbigt what it i insight into what we've been watching. we'll stay on top of that story as well. taking you to another story. switching topics, you new nbc news/"wall street journal" article, president trump's approval rating ticked up. first time in moss to 43%. the highest mark was, for coming to agreement with democratic leaders on harvey relief arnold the debt ceiling. 71% of people approved this thing that gave the government an extension on life, because as you know, we were due for a government shutdown pretty soon. the numbers then dip fairly precipitously after that, even in staples of lis campaign, only
12:46 pm
41% of donald trump's handling of the economy, amazing, stock market hits new highs and unemployment a longtime low. and signature issue of border security and immigration, believe it or not. the situation in north korea worse. only 36% approve of his handling of matters in south korea. the numbers, believe it or not, worse after that everything from changing washington culture, he campaigned against. 35% approve of that. 27% approve of handling of health care. 25% of handling on race relations. 35% approve of his controversial pardon of sheriff joe arpaio. and by the way, president trump's then campaign manager paul manafort we've just learned offered to give briefings to a russian billionaire during his campaign. that's the reporting from the "washington post" which sites people familiar with those discussions. that's just the latest development into the
12:47 pm
investigation into donald trump's campaign ties to russia. that revelation reportedly from in documents including e-mails turned over to special counsel of rob mueller's team. not clear if he got to the billionaire. his name, oleg daraposka, widely seen as a close ally of vladimir putin's. another e-mail exchange manafort refers to the positive press received after becoming the campaign strategist, writing you how do we use to get whole? debts believed eastern european clients owed him. confirming authenticity of the e-mail. "it's no secret mr. manafort was owed money by past clients after his work ended in 2014. this exchange is innocuous." this exchange is innocuous. you be the judge of that. breaking down what this new
12:48 pm
republican health care means for people with reconditions. a possibly vote next week. what's the secret to turning a no into a yes? do you know how to network like a champ? and when is a good time to have fun in the office? i'm j.j. ramberg and i have great answers to all of these kwi questions which might help you run a better business. check out the "your business" page on nbc nenews.com for exclusive videos how to grow and go further. >> announcer: responsibled by american express open, helping you get business done. what does that mean for purchasing? purchase. let's do this. got it. book the flights! hai! si! si! ya! ya! ya! what does that mean for us? we can get stuff. what's it mean for shipping? ship the goods. you're a go! you got the green light. that means go! oh, yeah. start saying yes to your company's best ideas. we're gonna hit our launch date! (scream)
12:49 pm
thank you! goodbye! let us help with money and know-how, so you can get business done. american express open. p3 planters nuts, jerky and so you cawhaseeds.at?ss done. i like a variety in my protein. totally, that's why i have this uh trail mix. wow minty. p3 snacks. the more interesting way to get your protein. tap one little bumper and up go your rates. what good is having insurance if you get punished for using it?
12:50 pm
12:51 pm
yeah, i got some financialbody guidance a while ago. how'd that go? he kept spelling my name with an 'i' but it's bryan with a 'y.' yeah, since birth. that drives me crazy. yes. it's on all your email. yes. they should know this? yeah. the guy was my brother-in-law. that's ridiculous. well, i happen to know some people. do they listen? what? they're amazing listeners. nice. guidance from professionals who take their time to get to know you. . okay. just moments to go until the closing bell. let's have a look at the markets. some strong days recently. the dow is down about 50 points. there is no particular news driving this.
12:52 pm
yesterday we had news from the federal reserve that it was backing off its quantitative easing. and we have seen good charge ahead in the markets in previous days. there's nothing particularly driving it. just a bit of a sell-off. not much at this point. markets are a little lower. let's talk about the health care battle. president trump is voicing confidence that senate republicans will get the 50 votes they need in their last-ditch effort to pass the bill. all eyes are on senators john mccain and lisa murkowski but this bill has a major sticking point. pre-existing conditions. critics say this plan would allow insurance providers to charge patients with pre-existing conditions more. you'll get stuck on this. some say, well, it does mean you'll have to give them insurance but the problem is it's going to cost too much. it allows states to opt out of covering pre-existing conditions very easily. they have to explain how they intend to keep those people
12:53 pm
covered but the terminology is so broad that anybody who asks to opt out will be able to. any state that asks, will be able to. the bill makes some sweeping changes. terks limninates the individual mandate to buy coverage and redistribute medicaid expansion and obamacare money to individual states. health care is expensive. states cannot run deficits. if you hand the responsibility to the states, they are limited by how much money they actually have. you might be wondering why does it seem like there's such a rush to have a vote on this? under the senate rules, repeal legislation can be passed by a simple majority until the end of this month. after that, the bar is raised back to 60 votes and that's the closest thing to impossible in this congress. this bill is already getting serious pushback. kind of everybody with anything to do with health care doesn't like it. the country's blue cross/blue shield plans, america's health insurance plans have come out in
12:54 pm
opposition citing concerns over pre-existing conditions. 16 patient and health care provider groups have voiced their opposition including the american heart association, american diabetes association, march of dimes, american cancer society's lobbying arm. anybody you can think of. you're hard pressed to find somebody who actually likes this bill. i'm not going to find any sitting in this studio. garrett haake may have found somebody that likes this bill and can give you a good explanation as to why. >> republican senators like this bill because of two elements of it. the idea that it kicks a lot of these decisions back to states. simply taking power away from the federal government is a popular idea among some conservative republicans who view themselves as sort of federalists. and as you describe the way it redistributes federal dollars when it comes to particularly medicaid spending is almost entirely for the benefit of smaller and in most cases much redder states. the way they built this formula is like the more money you've spent under obamacare whether to
12:55 pm
expand medicaid or do these different things, the less money you'll get under this plan so states like california, new york, maryland, will see huge cuts in their funding while smaller, redder states will see big boosts. that's been the selling point for republicans here. republicans are also running up against the limits of this process that they've undertaken to try to do this. in the last couple of days, several senators sitting on the fence, susan collins and lisa murkowski have told me or kasie hunt versions of the same thing. they just need more information about this bill. there is no cbo score. much less than in-depth report. and especially in alaska where their health care setup is so unique. lisa murkowski's office is going to any federal agency they think can help to get some data about how this might work. and murkowski in particular is a stickler for this sort of thing. is not going to cast a vote on a bill she doesn't understand.
12:56 pm
so republicans are up against the clock and they just don't have the information over how it's going to work in their states. >> are we listening to something here now? >> you tell me. it's your show. i don't think so. >> i was just trying to keep track of it all. garrett haake on what is going on on this health care situation. maybe there's a vote next week, maybe there isn't. let's get back to the search for the survivors after the earthquake in mexico city. i think i've got mariana available. she's been covering this all morning. you've got a statement from mexican officials? >> that's right, ali. the statement that i cited before here on the show, i have obtained the statement right now. this is from the general of the mexican marine corps. it clarifies some of the points -- some of the theories we've been hearing on the ground throughout the morning. he says in this primary school
12:57 pm
behind me, there are 19 children that have been confirmed dead and six adults. those people include the teacher that was -- whose body was pulled out this morning who was not rescued alive unfortunately. then he adds there are 11 children that were rescued alive from this school. so 16 kids confirmed dead and six adults. 11 children rescued alive. he continues to say using sensors we have detected important signs of life. but he does not specify whether those signs of life in the rubble behind me are from an adult or from a child. i know we've been hearing here on our show live on the air from first responders who have been coming out telling us that there are -- it's about children who are there who have been communicating through cell phones. those are theories from two different groups of first responders. we heard here on the air. as you can imagine, this is a very volatile situation. very delicate situation. it's changing minute by minute. this general from the mexican
12:58 pm
marine corps saying that there are important signs of life but not specifying the age groups of that person or people who might be stuck in the rubble. and he says they're going to exhaust all possibilities to save these folks here at the elementary school. >> that's important. whether it's hurricanes or this earthquake, as we're covering it, a lot of this information is coming to you firsthand as you get it. we don't, like we normally do in the course of news, we don't have any ability to verify what anybody tells you. you go on the information in front of you. people coming and going, but i would surmise that the effort that's going on behind you is because there are people who think there are -- who believe that there are people alive in that building. so we may not know who they are or what their ages are but it's clear to you, would it be, that there's a rescue effort under way behind you. that's what all these people there are doing. >> that is absolutely clear. and judging from the general
12:59 pm
statements, important signs of life and that is what we've been seeing on the ground here in mexico city. ali? >> mariana who is covering this from mexico city for us. tragedy all around, but they are trying very hard to rescue people from that building behind mariana without collapsing it because they believe there is someone, at least somebody alive in that building. reporting is varied on this. there may be more than one person. there may be up to five people but there's a rescue mission under way. we'll continue to cover this in the next hour. i'm going to see you right back here tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. eastern with stephanie ruhle and again at 3:00 p.m. eastern. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. as donald trump seeks to tighten the vice on north korea through tougher economic sanctions, bob mueller seems to be tightening his grip on donald trump's former campaign chairman paul manafort. based on new reporting in "the
1:00 pm
washington post," manafort offered to brief a russian billionaire with close ties to the kremlin on the state of the u.s. presidential campaign. two weeks before donald trump officially accepted his party's nomination in cleveland. as a veteran of three presidential contests, this isn't normal. according to the post, paul manafort made the e-mail to an overseas intermediary asking that a message be sent to oleg dereposkav, an aluminum magnate. if he needs private briefings we can accommodate, manafort wrote. a normal campaign chairman is fine tuning the convention from, working on the convention address and making sure the party is united behind the nominee. now this story comes on the heels of reporting we brought you yesterday as it broke that bob mueller is scrutinizing several of the president's actions as part of his investigation. those include the firing of mike flynn, the firing of jim
83 Views
IN COLLECTIONS
MSNBC West Television Archive Television Archive News Search Service The Chin Grimes TV News ArchiveUploaded by TV Archive on