>> tonight, the great gop divide. the brand new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll shows the president's war against his own party has take an toll, but not on him. plus -- the feds reportedly turn up the heat on the russia investigation on paul manafort. why is he suddenly at the center of it all? and first responders in the earthquake zone race to save children trapped alive in a collapsed school in mexico city. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. we'll get to today's big political headlines in a moment, but first, we want to check in on the 24/7 rescue operation taking place in mexico city. rescue teams of military police, medics, volunteers working to find out if there is anyone

still trapped alive in a collapsed school after tuesday's 7.1 earthquake. officials say there are indications of signs of life. they are focusing on an area where from one to three people may be still alive, but under the rubble. it is unclear if they are children or adults, but there are signs of life and we have been watching, of course, all afternoon, secretary of the mex kenn navy confirms 11 children rescued alive from the school and bodies of 19 children and 6 adults recovered. right now teams of construction specialists are working to simultaneously reinforce and remove rubble without causing further collapse. obviously it's a very delicate situation. first responders continues the work. periodically raise fists in air for everyone in the area to fall silent trying to listen for sirens of life. throughout the city dozens rescued from 35 buildings and more than 200 people died from this earthquake.

we'll, of course, continue to follow developments on the rescue efforts and bring you a report from the ground ahead in this hour. literally, any developments we'll go live there and not miss a thing. now turning to politics. fresh, new numbers from our new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll a poll with a little something for everyone tonight. after the chaos and instability dominating the first several months of president donald trump's nomination, poll numbers kicks up. 43% approve. 52% disapprove. not great, but improvement. three-point uptick from august, numbers 40% and 55% respectively. might be bolstered by the fact in the poll 71% of americans agreed with the president's dealing with democrats this month to fund the government, raise the debt ceiling and send aid to hurricane victims. only 8% of folks disapproved of the president doing that deal with democrats. that wasn't great news for the

republican leadership and frankly neither is our poll. senate majority leader and paul ryan sporting lowest numbers. overall, 24% give speaker ryan a positive rating and 40% negative. mcconnell worse, 11% positive rating. versus 41% negative rating. mcconnell's popularity among trump supporters is not good. in fact, it's quite telling. it offers a striking glimpse into this divide inside the republican party. 13% of trump supporters give him a positive rating versus 34% negative. a net negative among trump supporters compared to republicans who don't support trump, 36% versus 14% negative score. small numberance, high margin of error directionally gives you a point here. the trump wing of the party doesn't like mcconnell. the non-trump wing of the party does. so trump's numbers could be

recovering as mcconnell tumbles. guess what? there may be a reason for this. donald trump has been talking about mitch mcconnell quite a bit throughout the summer. take a look. >> they should have approved health care last night, but you can't have everything. boy, oh, boy. they've been working 0en that one for seven years. can you believe that? >> i'm very disappointed in mitch, but if he gets these bills passed i'll be very happy with him and the first to admit it. honestly, repeal and replace of obamacare should have taken place, i said, mitch, get to work and let's get it done. they should had this last one done. they lost by one vote. for a thing like that to happen is a disgrace. and, frankly, it shouldn't have happened. >> mcconnell stepping down? >> tell you what, if he doesn't get repeal and replace done and doesn't get taxes done meaning cuts and reform and if he doesn't get a very easy one to

get done, infrastructure, he doesn't get them done, then ask me that question. >> so -- there was an explanation for why trump's numbers and mcconnell's are in different places especially with trump voters. why the numbers matter from mcconnell. senate republicans trying hard to squeeze through a latest health care bill introduced by graham and cassidy. close. coming down to one or two republican senators. president trump is backing the bill says he's behind the republican leaderships effort to get it passed siding with conventional republicans. might be ricksky. not the only way he's doing. friday, the pret heads to alabama to stump for mcconnell's pick in the senate primary runoff. president trump is siding with luther strange, republican backed by mcconnell. while strange's opponent has support of people like steve bannon and sarah palin. arguably animate the trump base. that primary held tuesday. folks, if we see either of these things fall through in the

coming day, not like we expect president trump to blame himself. from our poll his voters will be more than willing to find a scapegoat in the name of mitch mcconnell. joined by the pollsters behind the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. gentlemen. i would say the most interesting finding was this finding that there is a divide in the republican party on mitch mcconnell and paul ryan, and i think it's fair to say that president trump has exasperated it. bill? >> well, kudos to those who wrote the question. asked republicans who voted for trump. have yourself a trump supporter or republican? 58% said i'm a trump supporter. tells you about the takeover of the republican party, yes, significant and tells you how much those republicans are using trump as their cue. minor note, though. don't forget nancy pelosi still has a 40% negative and independents don't like anybody running congress. we immediate need to toss that

>> nancy pelosi used to stand alone, and chuck schumer not as well known, paul ryan and mitch mcconnell essentially caught up with nancy pelosi. >> right. one way of saying it. the thing that's different between pelosi and schumer and the two republicans, ryan and mcconnell, nancy pelosi and schumer are still popular with democrats. as your graph showed, senator mcconnell is unpopular with republicans and trump voters. the interesting question we asked in the poll about divided republican party, fun to talk about is -- among 36% of republicans said only 36% happy with the job ryan/mcconnell are doing in washington. that's republican voters. >> look, this isn't new. a huge part of the 2016 primary, you could argue the electorate split in half of the conventional republicans went one way and trump republican

went the other. bill, whose party is it? >> the answer to that is, it's president trump's party. a party is defined perceptionly by who's the president. how people's perceive the party and our republican voters in the survey tell you there's a tilt saying it's president trump's party. so that's -- you know, we're pollsters. those the numbers. that's both our 40-year institutional understanding how people view a party, through the lens of the presidency, and how our own party republicans are telling us they identify themselves. >> and this actually, though, gives president trump quite the opportunity. fred, you, i think, made a point on our call that there is a corollary here. bill clinton, circa 1995, who decided to cut deals with republicans. >> uh-huh. >> and a political expediency why he did it. landscape shifted on him, number one, and he triang goo lao tie-

his own party. >> and working with democratic leaders on hurricane relief and the government shutdown. so democrats were happy with that 78%. >> trump voters, too. >> i mean, so, look. one thing that sustained president trump even when his numbers started going down, still had a hard-core base. still got that hard-core base. actually his numbers are up with voters since our last poll and now is up to 41% approval with independents. a delicate tightrope. i don't know if he's shown as president to navigate a tightrope. he's sometimes shown the ability or willingness to jump off it. there's an opportunity here to improve his numbers, to get back an agenda. >> bill, i'm curious. if you're talking, an incumbent senator, skip luther strange for

a minute. a unique primary situation, but a generic senate republican house member, do you support trump or the republican party and among republicans and leaners, more pick trump over the republican party as a whole. 58-38. would your advice to the incumbent republicans basically be, become trump? or run with trump? don't run away from him? >> there's another reality. in 2016 there were three republicans who were running for senate withdrew endorsement of trump. one in nevada. one new hampshire. they lost narrowly. john mccain the other and he won. john mccain's a unique political picture. i think that -- got to tell you, just, you know, since you're asking. i do this for a living and tell republican senators he's the president, incumbent of the party and you should, like neil

go gorsuch say i approve and room to say i disagree here and personal behavior, tweets and other stuff, say, hey, look. that's the guy. i i don't agree with the way he handles some stuff but can plot in any party get far away from your president and think it will go well. >> show the generic ballot and the split among republican and democratic districts. first, democrat six points, a tick down actually. fred, if democrats are winning the generic ballot by six is that a good or bad thing? >> it's a good thing. but i'm not sure how the chart -- >> keep it up. control of congress. republican-leaning districts, generic ballot, republicans have a 14-point lead. in democratic-held district, democrats have a 29-point lead. my point is this -- that means generic, six points is meaningless, as far as control? >> first of all, good to be ahead by six. we have to shrink the numbers,

to get majority, win republican seats. right now in september 2017 we're not there yet. >> what's the bar, bill, when looking in that republican number? you see it in single digits, when you sound the alarm? is 14 a manageable number? what is the manageable number? >> god bres the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. when 2006, won double digit seats, on our polling, that preference number of literally 8 to 12 points, and sometimes as high as 13 in 2006. just give them the redistricting. i think democrats have to win the two-party vote by seven or more. that means they're a little short and yes, in republican districts, we've had the same advantage since 2010. low double digits. when a party loses, it starts losing with its own people and losing its own base. i wake up in october, 2017.

here's the new cd number, only eight points, own cds, you tell me look at this video, bill, you just told me you're in big trouble. >> the other number, presidential aproosh. not there yet. close. also in the poll president trump had an uptick. one of the questions you asked, bill, about republicans and trump will be, might be the strategy for a primary. what does it mean for the general election? >> a guidivided party, history says, usually loses. >> true until 2016. >> anyway, bill, fred. got a lot in the poll, didn't even get to single payer. fascinating splits on that and all sorts of tax questions. >> daca. >> this poll. this poll will live quite a long time. has a lot of legs. thank you, gentlemen. when we come back, we'll bring you more from mexico city and what's going on with the rescue in the earthquake zone. so stay with us.

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welcome back. tracking the recovery efforts from two major natural disasters. hurricane are in the caribbean and earthquake recovery in motion coe. in puerto rico assessing damage best they can. storm surge, entire island without pow around officials say they have to rebuild the entire grid and could take six months for electricity to be truly restored. flash flood warnings still being issued as widespread flooding continues to turn roadways into rivs. 15 died, 20 missing on another island. two more deaths reported in the caribbean as a result of this storm. turning to mexico. at least 230 people confirmed dead and rescue and recovery efforts ongoing more than 48 hours after an earthquake, 7.1, shook the country. the entire country both mexico and our country have been watching almost live. 11 children have been rescued. bodies of more than two dozen

people recover and tonight officials say more signs of life. sort of almost expectation. mariana atencio at the scene all day. what are we learning? how hopeful is everybody? >> reporter: so, chuck, in the past hour or so, we've been hearing conflicting reports as to who exactly is trapped in the rubble, in the primary school behind me. first we heard the head of the navy saying that there are no children trapped inside this primary school at this point. that had been the opposite what he had been hearing on the ground from several of the first responders interviewed on our air. he did say the commander of the navy, that they were able to corroborate the lists of the children who died, and the children rescued with the children that are on the school board here, to determine that there are no missing children at this point that could be trapped

inside the rubble. however, i just spoke to colonel reese on the ground who is sort of the faction of the military leading the rescue efforts here and he told me using technology they have here on the ground, they are able to detect one to three bodies. basically a blob, if you will at this point but he believes there are possible signs of life, that that is why they're here. that is why we've seen this fury of activity throughout the day. when we were conducting the interview with him, inside that perimeter, chuck, we saw those fists go up in the air briefly, meaning they needed us to be quiet, because they wanted to try to hear some of the sounds inside the rubble. again, there's a lot of people here. a lot of first responders, but in terms of your question, as to the hope, this country very much clinging to hope still. we've been speaking to teachers

and families, survivors, all here witnessing this minute by minute, and reporting it live for you minute by minute just as you're watching it at home, we're seeing events develop here on the ground. chuck? >> when was the last time -- how often? how often do they check for signs of life? how often does that fist go up? something every hour, every 20 minutes? a regularity toy it as they move rubble and then check again? how often has it happened? >> reporter: an interesting question. as we reported on the scene here throughout the morning, i would say between 10:00 a.m. eastern to about 2:00 p.m. eastern, i would say, of the fists were going up quite regularly. i would say we saw more than two dozen times those fists go up asking for silence, because they were trying to establish, or trying to see if they could hear anything inside the rubble. those fists going up in the air,

there have been fewer and fewer in the past two hours, i should say, but i want to point out as we inside, and that was around 4:24 4:30 p.m. during nicolle wallaces show, we saw the fists go up, it gives rescue workers hope they may still find these people and one more image on the ground, chuck. nome supplies brought in, tortilla, diet coke, et cetera, i want to ask these folks to clear the way a minute, because there is a vehicle with lights moving towards us over here on my right, and, of course, you are know what that means? that means they need those lights. most likely for rescue efforts to continue through the the night. we got here at 6:00 a.m. local time this morning. and it is very likely we will still be here as rescue workers -- because this effort will continue on throughout the night. chuck? >> you're saying, prepping for

an all-nighter. that means you are, too, and we'll be back with regularity. thank you very much. obviously we'll continue to monitor the scene as you heard just now, preparing for an all-nighter. back in 60 seconds with more on "mtp daily."

welcome back. plenty to dig into from our new nbc/"wall street journal" poll. turn to to our panel tonight. president of the partnership and principles former obama white house and washington bureau chief. the headlines is, talking about this idea, is there three parties now? the democrats, republicans and the trump party. this is more evidence that trump really has carved out his own -- it's a constituency for sure, that is -- that is his. distinctly his. >> it's his. they're loyal to him. they're willing to let him change positions on things and stick with him, and on this issue, at least, on daca, on

protecting the d.r.e.a.m.ers, in line with what most americans think. most think positions and don't think to shut down the government over raising the debt ceiling. this particular bipartisan deal, he's in a pretty good place. >> fun yny you bring up daca. trapped issues between non-supporting versus trump is a porte, the core. on daca in a different place than his supporters. the question, can he bring them along? >> even though they me not agree, the question is, his support for the, such a big thing. they'll withdrawal support from trumpened and i don't think that's happening. i think that's why the president is being consistent. we saw last week initially attorney general sessions making it's announcement. typical rhetoric, and but then later, few hours later, the

president was appending what sessions said. i mean i think monitored in the media. the reaction, yes. heard from steve king, ann coulter, blasting the president and i'm sure people are concerned but i don't think enough to withdraw support from the president. >> anita, how should democratic leaders do this? interesting, they -- you have a president of the opposite party who's willing to every once in a while do deals with you? you're the loyal opposition. him triangulating might help on a congressional level. same time, you may help him and his approval ratings. it's a tricky political question. isn't it? >> you know, check it is. i think anyone who was a democrat on capitol hill during bill clinton or who worked for a democrat on capitol hill during bill clinton knows triangulation is very popular with voters. not so much fun if you're in the party not in the discussion.

being triangulated against. right. i think the congressional republicans now can share feelings perhaps with colleagues how that feels. >> right. >> tom daschle on speed dial. but, you know, the reality is that there aren't a lot of issues where he's actually going to be able to do this. at least given where he's positioned right now. may be able to try do to it on tax. for instance, you hear noise ouch the white house they'll not cut taxes on wealthy people and not get rid of the estate tax. hard to see at the end of the day how that sits with the congressional republicans. >> i agree, however, susan, that's a case where the president's instinct of, like i don't know. maybe the wealthily have to may more -- >> right. >> where his supporters are on the poll, by the way. they are more there. conventional republicans are not. they are wanting the -- it is interesting. his constituency has a different view on taxes. >> if you could get a deal involving immigration and one on

taxes and one on infrastructure, strikes me at muscular policy. the triang gooization example with clinton is interesting. clinton triangulated until he faced an impeachment debate and he needed to be a democrat again. >> by the way, a little effort. wasn't it? nervousness. >> right. he had to cultivate support back with his base, days of undulation ended. >> this is quite true. >> how -- what do you tell congressional friends? on the republican side of the aisle? how should they -- >> i mean -- >> handle this. >> happens with supporters. willing to support a d.r.e.a.m. act if they can get something out of it. you see a lot of trump supporters saying, well, we're okay with a d.r.e.a.m. act if we get funding for -- >> use of leverage. >> and remember housing about $1.6 billion already for fencing. so did femme democrats are willing to go along. i hear from democrats that if it's border security money and some of the money could go for

fencing, not a full wall, then they'd be willing to agree to that. and then that would give space for conservatives to say, well, you know, we ended up supporting the d.r.e.a.m. act but got fencing. >> from build that wall to fix that fence. there you go. >> and how it used to work? you'd get a little, give a little. >> nothing wrong with that. it's clearly with $1.6 billion, you cannot build that 6,000-mile wall. extend fences, pra the rio valley section and build the wall and take a couple photos next to the fence and say, see? i'm doing it. i think there is room for agreement, because democrats in the past have supported fencing. what they don't like is this idea of a 2,000-mile fence. i don't think that's what we're talking about now. there's room for negotiation. >> and how do you view mitch mcconnell? set up to be the washington's general here. i think about this weekend. here's mitch mcconnell, knows

putting this bill, graham/cassidy is a gamble. you know? now i think more would bet it doesn't get the 50 it needs than it does. that's a gamble. he knows luther strange was a flawed candidate, given the choice of roy moore to luther strange, i understand why he did what he did there but seems to be set up in a lose/lose situation because the president has the ability to do that. >> he's been set up in a lose/lose situation since the president won at the convention. tried to keep a low profile throughout the campaign. >> pretty gi one for a while. >> you can't do that when you're actually the leader of the in a jorty party where the president at least technically is of your party as well. i think that there are a number of these lose/lose situations facing leader mcconnell moving farther, especially as the president discovers he actually likes having "morning joe" say nice things about him. >> what should -- how should

mcconnell handle this? march forward? know the hits are coming? >> mcconnell's is pretty shrewd and doesn't care as much as most politicians about whether people on "morning joe" say nice things about him. >> but he will care if the idea of supporting him becomes as toxic as it does for some democrats with nancy pelosi. he is now -- that question haunted democrats running, are you going to support nancy pelosi np speaker of the house is now a question republican candidates in the senate have to deal with now, right? >> absolutely. i think, again, as you said at the very beginning, two different parties. the party of trump and congressional republicans with different ideas. mcconnell had said that in terms of obamacare that the repeal effort, over. move on. now going to come in next week with a vote. it's difficult. he's going to have to negotiate, accommodate the president and some of his own interests and ideas, but i think so far he's willing to negotiate. if he's able to get 50 votes for

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welcome back. the russia investigations focus on a few individuals seems to be ramping up. in particular former trump campaign manager paul manafort reported from the "new york times," some of which we've

confirmed, some hasn't been confirmable, and cnn reporting in fact, a court rent add wiretap both before and after the election including the early part of this year when known to talk to president trump. we also learned this week first reported by the "new york times" and confirmed by nbc news, his home raided over the summer using a no knock warrant. "times" reported prosecutors told manafort they plan to indict him. manafort has been a fixture in republican politic as long time, back to jargerald ford in 1976. and including lobbying, on behalf of foreign governments and candidates including those linked to russian-backed forces in ukrain. this week another connection. manafort and this man. oleg deripaska. someone putin turns to on a regular basis, this reported by the "washington post" and denied

entry into the united states due to crime. and e-mails show manafort offered oleg dare -- deripaska on the campaign. and if he is side figure mueller plans to use? >> right now central figure. where the evidence is leading mueller and starting to see people close to the president disavow manafort, which i find fascinating. >> cory lewendowski did it on this show earlier and basically said if any of this is true, he should go to jail. now personalized it even more. >> right. and the president's lawyer ty cobb said we never thought paul manafort would monetize his role

referring to e-mails offering a billionaire you just showed, oleg dare poeripaskaderipaska. that's significant. a money close to the kremlin. the trump tower meeting, significant. involve ares russians kind of nobodies. oleg deripaska is not a noep nobod nobody. someone vladimir putin relies on and talks to a lot and had a relationship with manafort going back to 2007, a financial relationship. and it continued on during the campaign when paul manafort was running donald trump's campaign. >> as you just said. you quoted ty cobb now as sort of essentially throwing manafort under the bus. that seems to be -- a tricky decision to make, if you are on the president's legal team and do that, because there has been an assumption, i want to be careful in assuming, but an assumption part of the play here by mueller is to squeeze

manafort, that they have found a lot of irregularity involving where he reported money. maybe simply tax evasion. issues how he handled his -- his operations with wen it came to ukraine. that may have anything to do with the central collusion question but committed crimes. and they squeeze him. you would think the president's legal team wouldn't throw him under the bus unless they're really worried about him? >> and obviously denies committing crimes. unless they already concluded mueller has so much evidence, manafort, the ship sailed. he's going to cooperate and say what he knows. the question, what does he know? just paul manafort returning his own show inside the campaign with ties to senior russians or coordinating with donald trump and others? what was mike flynn doing? >> ask you this on the mueller ingest gatien. se -- investigation. know a lot what's happening with

manafort. central or not, don't know. know a lot about apparently what mueller's efforts to investigate whether the president was obstructing justice, how he handled comey and flynn, but neither one are at the central issue issue, which is russian interference. did americans help? where are we on that aspect of it? >> today face bao disclosed they are turning over to congress these 1,000 russian ads disclose add few weeks ago that were placed during the campaign nap is an unexplored area of this whole russian interference campaign. the fake news, the use of social media. haven't heard much from twitter come to the hill and testify. russians clearly used media, we don't know to what extent or in any americans cooperated with it. >> do we have a sense what twitter and facebook are

required to turn over and what legally they aren't? >> a hazy area. facebook did it reluctantly. don't like to turn over content but have to respond to a -- >> responding to a subpoena? >> that's not clear. >> okay. >> there's a threat. >> so this is a case of, don't make us subpoena you? here's what we want. don't make us superior you? >> may welling. >> and twitter, have they turned over stuff yet? >> we haven't heard. twitter, the most reluctant to cooperate with this stuff and talk about any of it. in fairness, there isn't an ad buying with twitter you see on -- >> it's the accounts, and able to study the bots and the patterns of that. right? and tracing back where these folks exist. >> right. clint watts, expert, former fbi agent, will tell you hard to get behind that on twitter because you can come and go with an account, anonymity. difficult to trace. >> the toing is still there. thank you very much. after the break, california.

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welcome back. tonight, obsessed with california's self-obsession. what do you do if you're the biggest kid on the block and nobody cares? do what california's trying to do. remind people you are the biggest kid on the block and make them care. to be blunt --

california appears to be acting like they're getting sick of being the most populist state in the country without the political clout that comes with that and making noise. at least making noise about making noise. this week, attorney general announce add lawsuit over plans to built a border wall including parts of california. the state's latest move to be at the forefront of the anti-trump agenda. maybe just remembered they have almost 40 million people but only 2 senators and republicans are in control of the white house, house and senate, but not their state capitol. whatever the reason, california state legislature appears to be pushing back a bit. sent a bill to governor jerry brown to make california a sanctuary state and expand productions to undocumented immigrants, and in a clear dig at president trump sent him a bill requiring presidential candidates to release their tax returns in order to get on the state's ballot. plus -- trying to be more than just natm for the presidential candidates who swing through the state to raise cash.

california voted to move up its presidential primary to march, which could shake up the political landscape as the state tries to quit being a last thought on the campaign trail. face it. it's no fun being the star of the party if you show up after the party's over. we don't know whether governor brown will sign up a of these things but know one thing. california's dreamin' all right about beal politically relevant again in this town. we'll see if any of these bills allow them to do that. we'll be right back. re of what's happening right now? we're facing 20 billion security events every day. ddos campaigns, ransomware, malware attacks... actually, we just handled all the priority threats. you did that? we did that. really. we analyzed millions of articles and reports. we can identify threats 50% faster. you can do that? we can do that. then do that. can we do that? we can do that. tech: when you schedule with safelite autoglass, you get a text when we're on our way.

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relations were bad after the o.j. simpson verd. our panel is back. put up a few other numbers here. america's view on race relations, feel it's in a bad place. 70%. across the like it is in a bad place. 67% among hispanics. on president trump's handling of the race issue, approved 25%, disapprove, 52%. on charlottesville, none of these numbers surprising. the question is, is the president going to do something about it? >> i think the president of the united states has to bring the nation together, right? and i think this is a reflection of the polarization that we're seeing in politics today in america. and i think you have, i would agree with the president that you have people on both sides of the left and the right trying to

use racial confrontation to mobilize their base. i don't think clearly he that donald trump did a good job in easing the tension. after the charlottesville event but i don't think president obama did either. when president obama kept saying, and then hillary clinton, that our criminal system systematically, i don't think that helped ease the tension. so sadly i think it is a reflection or a polarized environment. i think we need leaders from both parties that can raise to the level and say we need to unite the country. >> i go back to eric hold here said we've never had this conversation. we talked about having this race conversation. do you know the conversation i would like to see the country of? i want see the jeff sessions and

eric holder have a discussion. let it all out. in some ways, the two of them would be emblematic of this polarization that is out there. this view that it is a polarized conversation. >> so i don't think -- i don't think it would ever happen. i agree with eric. i want to take a bit of an issue with what alonzo said. particularly on criminal justice reform. that is an issue where you have a bipartisan level of agreement and you have a lot of data. data that doesn't lie in terms of the adverse effects that certain communities in this country, most notably african-americans have suffered, based on the way the criminal justice system was set up. and i think there are a lot of people who look at the penalties for crack cocaine. first it was powder cocaine back there in those crime bills. people who look at the actual effect over the years and this was a bipartisan effort that was

launched under the obama administration. that the koch brothers were very involved. i think president obama would be the first to say that he wished he could have addressed the polarization. i don't think i would go to criminal justice reform to illustrate the point. >> the problem is when you have the president of the united states, or presidential candidates saying there's institutionalized discrimination. the message that you're sending is that the police are racist and some sadly believe that. i think it requires a conversation between both sides. and i think we can't be naive. there are people on both sides trying to use race for political reasons. >> i think that he the both sides language which president trump made very notorious, is not really the correct language

here. i think that in particular, that when you look at what this president, what the current president has done to actually, to really use divisive language. to try to equate people who were wearing sw wearing swastikas. that it has become code for something really damaging. >> i'm not going to defend the language from president trump. he said there were peaceful people at the white supremacist rally. that's ridiculous. but there are elements on the left, berkeley. look what's happening in berkeley. you see a conservative speaker and all of a sudden you have all these groups. you see violence. >> this is problem. we've conflated it into a polarization. this race issue is separate and distinct. >> you know one thing that is so discouraging about the numbers in your poll, it was just eight and a half years wlag more than two-thirds of americans thought

race relations were good. they were better. >> we did a usa today poll. what we felt is that both blacks and whites were optimistic. whites were optimistic. >> it goes back to, we never have this conversation. the fact is, i think there are plenty of people who do not understand what it is like to be pulled over for the color of your skin. that's a conversation that we don't really have that conversation. ? >> or to be worried that your kid just walking hoe from school or going to a convenience store to pick up a candy bar. >> at the same time, i get thla enforcement officials are in a bad place.

>> we're in a bad place because people are recognizing the problems we have. this is an increasing ly more diverse -- >> you can make the point all of this attention is probably necessary on surface it. we've been sweeping it. >> but it requires leadership. and he has to figure out how to get he that. we never have enough time to finish those discussions. we'll have more on "mtp daily" after this. i count on my dell small business advisor

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reporters of the "new york times," check that out. "the beat" starts right now. welcome to the evenings. >> thank you so much. good to be here. good evening. we start tonight with developing news on the russia investigation. politico reporting just moments ago that robert mueller wants phone records from air force one of those records related to the statement written on the plane about donald trump jr.'s meeting with the russians. you remember wlrgs they said it was about the orphans. the "washington post" has stated that president trump dictated that memo himself. the white house said he only weighed in. that news as we are learning that are mueller could want to look at