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>> tax reform will protect low income and middle household incomes. not the wealthy and well connected. >> i'll ask u.s. treasury steve mnuchin whether those are promises administration can keep. also trumpism, the president's base has victory over the candidate in alabama. has president trump started a revolution he cannot control. my guest republican bob corker of tennessee who decided it's time for him to get out of the senate. and in the midst of those nfl protests, i'll talk to one of of america's legal critics about race, white supremacy and legacy of our first african-american. joining for insight and analysis are joy reid, david brooks, columnist for the "new york times." daniel of the american enterprise institute. and msnbc political analyst.
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welcome to sunday it's "meet the press." celebrating 70th year. this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. when the history is written we make look back at this week as one of the worst for this president. consider his health tom price had to resign. latest effort to repeal and replace obamacare went belly-up. this week tax reform seemed to focus more on the wealthy and unclear what it does for the working class and poor. alabama republicans defy the president by nominating insurgent moore over president trump pick of the establishment. but the over all story may be what's happening in puerto rico. the mayor unloaded on the administration's response to the disaster there. >> so i am many done being polite. i am done being politically
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correct. i am mad as hell. we are dying. and you are killing us with the inefficiency and the bureaucracy. president trump responded with a series of tweets yesterday, including this one. such poor leadership ability by the mayor of san juan and others in puerto rico who are not able to get their workers to help. they want frpg to be done for them when it should it be a community effort. 10,000 work es on the island doing a fantastic job. my colleague was asked if she felt it was personally attacking her. >> i don't care. he can attack me all he wants. bring it on. i'm here. you know what, if it saves lives, because it gets the message in the right place, frankly, my dear, i don't give a
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damn. >> so let's get a reality check. standing by in puerto rico, ron, we have this war of wards between the president and the mayor of san juan. you are there. tell us the state of the recovery efforts. >> reporter: yeah, hey, there, chuck, we have an argument the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. i suspect that's the case in puerto rico. things are not as rosey as the administration would want people to believe. and on the flip side things are not as dire as mayor says the other knife people haside, peopt making the connection between lack of water and aid, that's probably debatable point. but i can tell you this, chuck, i've covered a lot of these storms in the aftermath of these storms, life here is very, very hard. it is bad. no question about that. but that is the usual case after a major hurricane like puerto rico experienced with maria. the thing is that we have not seen here is usually 11 days
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out, as we are at this point after maria, you see a lot more infrastructure in place, supplies, runs down the highway, con voice of military officials. we are not quite seeing that. yesterday i saw one electric line truck yesterday and no one up in a cherry picker putting the line back up. so let me set the scene for you 11 days out. 95% of the island still in the dark. it is hot. it is still hot here in the tropics. upper 80s with high humidity. rained yesterday. so conditions are miserable. trying to get by day by day. in some cases hour by hour. lines to get everything, food, water, cash, fuel, grocery store, also to the drugstore, people are spending considerable parts of their day standing in line trying to get some need met. and in some cases they get to the point where they are told there is no more gas. and so you can imagine how frustrating that is.
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it's enough to make a grown man or woman cry. so they are desperate. i spoke to a retired police officer lost his house. staying with his parents. they have about a day or two days left with food. they say nobody has come to the neighborhood. >> what is the bigger issue here, supplies, or distributing the supplies? >> reporter: it's the distribution. we sat at the port yesterday. a lot of activity. unloading a barge, container after container coming off the barge. but not truckers waiting for the containers to be kebted to the rig so they can get them out. fema did say it is already distributed 2.5 million liters of water, 2 million pounds of food. we can't dispute any of that. but we can tell you that port there is not a convey of containers leaving that port going out into the communities. a lot of the stuff at the port, we can tell you this, was not hurricane relief stuff. these are goods that had been
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regularly ski 50u regularly scheduled to come down here. there is a maybe silver lining coming tomorrow, they are expecting major delivery of fuel. chuck. >> ron mott covering all of the storm recovery efforts in the caribbean. thanks very much. joining me now is the secretary of treasury steve mnuchin. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> i can have you a couple of things maybe you can clarify. what did he mean by this idea that puerto rico wants everything done for them? what did he mean by that? and why did the president appear to be so angry in his tweets yesterday morning? >> let me say we appreciate the difficulty of what's going on there. devastation has been very, very difficult. and the president and the entire administration, entire cabinet are very much focused on this.
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i personally have been involved in many aspects of this. i've been working with secretary perry on the electrical system. we have put a priority to get the hospitals back up and running. we have electricity now to most of the hospitals. i've worked with the federal reserve on cash. you commented on issues with people getting cash in banks. we've literally sent in tens and hundreds of millions of dollars worth of cash making sure we get banks and atms open. and we are focused on food and water and everything else. this is something that is a very big focus of the president and the cabinet. we have been meeting almost daily on this. >> why does the president think puerto rico is not doing enough to help themselves? >> i think the federal government's role is working with the local government. and the governor has done a terrific job. and we'll continue to work with them. this is something that's a partnership between the federal government getting resources to
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the satate. >> why did he attack the mayor? >> she's in a pretty desperate situation and seemed to lack empathy. >> i think as you know when the president gets attacked he attacks back. and i think the may or's statement was unfair. >> how do you know they are unfair? have you been down there? >> i haven't been down there. >> i remember going through hurricane andrew, a week later and no power. the president himself tweeted a week after sandy hit, it's outrageous that power isn't on. people do get frustrated. >> again, i completely understand people's frustration. and this is a very, very difficult situation. i haven't been there. but i've been almost on daily calls monitoring what's going on with the rest of the cabinet. i think fema has done a tremendous job given a difficult
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situation. and we are doing everything we can to get resources to the governor so they can be distributed. but i understand people's frustration on the island. and i can assure you the federal government is doing everything we can. >> does the president -- seemed as if histone changed. does he regret attacking the mayor and people of puerto rico? >> i haven't spoken to the president so i can't comment on it. so i don't think he was attacking the people. he understands the people are going through a very difficult situation. >> let me move to the tax plan here. i would say the way this was rolled out, it seems as if you are making promises that if you can keep them all, it would be like doing this. deficit is not going to go up. everybody get a tax cut. but wealthy not going to benefit. explain this to me, will everybody get a tax cut?
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>> first of all, i think your characterization similar to houdini is not fair. i've been working with him. he's been very consistent. his goals are to make business competitive. we have one of the highest tax rates in the world. we tax on worldwide income. we have a concept of deferral. this is a jobs acts. this is about creating jobs. and we have been completely transparent on the numbers and what this does to the deficit. >> all right. is the working class and the poor going to get a tax cut? >> absolutely. the objective is a middle income tax cut. >> middle income is getting a tax cut? >> absolutely. >> is the wealthy? >> the president says income tax cut to the wealthy. >> because estate tax is a benefit to the wealthy?
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>> we believe people should pay tax taxes once not twice. so i separate it. the purpose of getting rid of estate tax so people have farms and people that have family businesses can continue to pass those on. >> so does anybody pay more? >> again, we'll go through the details as we have them. we'll have full transparency. but the president has been very clear, and i've been clear from the beginning, our objective is not to create tax cuts for the wealthy. our objective is about creating middle incomes tax cuts. but as you know, one of the things we are trying to do is eliminate lots and lots of deductions. one of those deductions is about getting the federal government out of the business of subsidizing the states. so this will have different impacts to people in different states. and we are sensitive to that. >> so the goal is -- you know, a lot of this tax plan, and came through in the health care plan too, seems as if the end of the day red states benefit, blue states get punished. is this issue on the estate
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taxes not being able to write them off anymore, is this a way to target the wealthy in blue states? >> not at all t absolutely not fair and not the case. what i would say about tax reform is, it hasn't been done in 30 years. we are focused on changing the system. the system is broken and most americans understand it's broken. they are not happy with the difficulty of filling out tax plans. and under our plan 95% can fill out on one card. think about the money it saves at the irs and simplicity of that. >> i have to read you a quote from bob corker saying they are throwing sugar out on the table. you haven't dealt with spinach on the table. i guess you can say the tax deduction is your form of spinach. what else? is anybody -- are we going to take seriously the fiscal issues of this country with this tax
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reform claim? because right now you look at a lot of folks like bob corker and say this will blow a hole in the deficit. >> i've personally talked to them and others, and went through the math. and math i went through on static basis our plan will increase the deficit by trillion and a half. having said that, you have to look at the economic impact. 500 billion, that's the different between policy and baseline, that it takes it down to trillion dollars. and $2 trillion of growth. so with our plan we pay down the deficit. >> for what it's worth, there has been no study that's been able to somehow reinforce this idea that tax cuts do translate to economic growth. the one time it did was when we went down from 90% with kennedy down and got rid of that tax hike. but where is the analysis here? i know you scrubbed one on
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corporate tax cuts. where is the analysis says this will lead to economic growth? >> as soon as details are out this will be scored by lots of academics. we'll be happy to put them on the show and go through the numbers. so this will be fully transparent to the american plin public. they understand this. this is about over $2 trillion of additional revenues to government. and this is about millions and millions of jobs. americans understand we have a broken tax system. and this is about making us competitive and bringing back jobs. >> i want to go back. you are willing to have the president sign a tax reform bill that increases deficit? >> not on a dynamic basis. so just to be clear. we fundamentally believe that there are actions in the tax code that create economic growth. so, no, the president is not going to sign something that he
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believes is going to increase the deficit. but that's different. >> on basis of what? and they'll probably be a debate on what the numbers mean? you acknowledge not everybody will agree? >> there should be a healthy debate on numbers and that's why we've had full transparency what the numbers will be. >> was it appropriate tom price was fired? >> again, i can't comment on he resigned. what i'll say is the american public needs to know how it's being spent and spent carefully. >> do you regret for american aircraft, whether kentucky, or the request you made i know ended up withdrawn at the time. do you regret doing that? >> i don't. and let me tell you why. first of all, all of your travel went through the same process as previous secretaries of the treasury. every single one of my trips was approved by the white house. and the only time i've ever used
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or would use a private plane for government purposes, either a national security issue or couldn't get somewhere. >> so the kentucky use of the plane was a mistake? >> no, i never said it was a mistake. it was approved by the white house hand reasons we had had to use that plane that are justifiable and look forward to the report. >> secretary mnuchin i appreciate you coming on. thanks for sharing your views. >> thank you. senate cabinet strange was big news. yes, that happened this week. and what happened in alabama may not stand in alabama. yet this week he decided to not seek re-election. i sat down. he heads that committee. and i asked about moore victory and he corker is getting out because the senate is increasingly looking more like moore and a lot less like corker. >> why is the goffening wing of the republican party, when i think about yourself or mitch mcconnell or paul ryan, why do
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you feel as if it's your wing that is taking the ire of this populous base? >> by the way, each of us are three different individuals. >> no doubt. but you know what i mean here. the but you guys have all operated within the space of you try to pass what you can. >> yeah. look, again, if you look at, i mean, washington for sometime has not really been able to address, i think, the needs of people in our country. there are so many people in our country who have envisioned their life being different than it is today. so many, many of the people hard working tennessee and others are not at the state in life they thought they would be after they did all the right things in life, maybe working hard, maybe went to high school education,
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community college for a couple of years, and find themselves not where they thought. there is a lot of going on. a lot of rhetoric has generated this, unfortunate rhetoric. but let me say i wake up every day, chuck, and it's a tremendous privilege for me to do what i do. we are sitting in the relations hearing room. and it's such a privilege for me to do what i do. >> you said something about the president right after charlottesville. you questioned whether there was a competency and stability of the office of the presidency at that time. do you still feel that way? >> i'm not trying to be critical here. some of the words have been left off. what i said is he has not yet demonstrated some of the competence but not yet demonstrated. and that we need for him to be successful. the country needs for him to be successful. the world. i stand by those comments. and stand by them today?
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meaning you still feel this way? >> look, i think that general kelly has brought in an air of discipline that has been transformative as far as how the white house operates. i do think they did a great job with texas and florida during the hurricane. very professional. i thought it took a lot of courage of the president to change his long held position about afghanistan. so i'm seeing changes. but i made the comment, i stand by the comments i made at the time. i don't make comments like that without thinking about them. you know i don't. >> i know you didn't do it lightly. >> i chose the words, i stand by those words. when i met with the president a week ago friday, i said i stand by what i said. >> what did he say to you? >> it was kind of humor us. we spent about five minutes on this topic. >> he remembers any slight? >> he said you called me in
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economy. incompetent. >> i stand by what i said. >> the press said. >> here is what i said. do you want me to read it again? so in five minutes we moved on to the other topic. >> something struck me when i was thinking about this interview. when you were elected in 2006, and you took office in 2007, we had troops based in afghanistan. and when you leave office in 2019 we'll have troops in afghanistan. when your success fer contemplates a second or third term, are we still going to have troops in afghanistan? >> the entire gdp of afghanistan cannot support even their security forces. i'm talking about their own security forces. the likelihood of us having troops there, some level of troops. now, you know, what matters, chuck, is what are they doing? what are those troops doing?
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but are we likely to have troops in afghanistan for the next decade? sure. >> two more quick questions. when you ran the first time, i looked at some of your early ads, you were deficit hock. >> when this tax plan, whatever it looks like at the end of the day, if it, if the analysis says it's going to blow a hole in the deficit. first of all, what is a hole to you, any additional dollar to the deficit? 100 billion? where are you on this? >> well, so i'm willing to anthropology the realities. th except the realities. we kept making up the fact it's this is going to change. i except current policy. that's rational. and i'm willing to accept a reasonable score on dynamic growth. a reasonable score on dynamic growth. joint tax does that, and other
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groups does it. but if it looks like we are adding one penny to the deficit, i am not going to be for it. i'm sorry. it's the greatest threat to our nation. greatest threat to our nation. it's like, chuck, we entered a party atmosphere here. everybody was fiscal hawk kind of, not really, but kind of up until the election. now it's like there is a party going on up here. okay. heck with revenues. heck with constraining spending. so, yes, i'll remain ha deficit hawk until i leave here. and i'm looking so forward for this tax reform. because one thing ha hasn't been discussed is the $4 trillion in base broadeners that have to occur for this to be successful. and every lobbyist will be up here fighting those. >> it's amazing everyone is going to mess you saying that.
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>> i told people if i knew they would have said so many, many nice things about me, i would have retired earlier. it's ln wonderful. i think i'm going to have more impact over the next 15 months then i've had in the last ten years. >> free agent. >> well, i just think the issues. i mean, the first two years of presidency is when most of the activity takes place. we are going to be playing a lead role in iran in a few weeks. tax reform. and i look forward to looking with all my colleagues here to make good things happen. >> senator, i know i'll have you on again before you leave but thanks for talking to me today you'll be missed around here. >> thanks. also told me it is not going to work in north korea. he's concerned. you can see the entire interview on our website "meet the press." coming up too much to say hurricane is katrina. but how much could the
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welcome back, david krooks, joy reid, danielle pletka and charlie sykes. author of the book how the right lost i are here. here's the book jacket out there. red hat, what does that mean? >> i like hats. >> i have to start the president is tweeting again on puerto rico this morning. somewhat toned down. we have done a great job. outside of the fake news or politically motivated ingrates, people are starting to listen. thanks for those working with our first responders. charlie, you tweeted he was sending talking points to his
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base, that that was the purpose of that tweet. >> it was a dog whistle. it says never attribute to malice which can be adequately explained by stupidity. so maybe you have president who lacks self-control who lashes out on any criticism. but then again he did it as a president who never wants to take responsibility. you had yesterday within 11 hours you had all the tweets. look at all the incompetent down there. so that was a signal to the base. but on the other hand he's donald trump and can't contain himself. >> here's what they said yesterday. it's so hard sometimes the president does not need to dial
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up the jack ass and sometimes he does into the towed to be defended. >> donald trump is being himself and channelling his base, talking to them but also channelling them. before he tweeted some of the prominent members of his base were calling the mayor even worse names, belonged in jails. getting the singles because he shares their view. donald trump reflux is to say woman of color is ingreat or attack her or say the people of puerto rico essentially are too lazy to help them self. want something from the federal government that they want provide to themselves. he actually went on that tweet storm, which was the most he had talked about puerto rico at all, a year to the day after he did it to former ms. universe. he attacks to women of color, saying they are lazy and
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dependent and won't do for them receives. he's sharing that with a large portion of his base. >> david burks, a lot of people see a pattern here. because we forgot the gold star dad, who happened to be muslim, there was steph curry last week, nba player of color. there appears to be a pattern. >> if you look at the republican party and ask them do you think there is against them? a large party would say yes. for about 47% pft republican party sense of being white, whiteness is strong identity factor. for the other half not so much factor. they believe conservative ideas are good are for everybody. and donald trump is playing for white identity party. therefore it's becoming harder to be a republican without siding with that. so the other half says can we side with a guy who is dragging us into this?
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i've been a conservative 30 years years, i never used to hear racial stuff. but now suddenly it's become very hard to be a republican and not somehow be associated with something racially reprehensible. >> i was surprised the secretary did not have some pull back on the president's tweet on the mayor. >> i think he's managed to please the president gently and deflecting. the problem as david laid it out the question is when do you want to separate yourself from the president? when do you at a certain moment decide, whether your reputation is more important. and this is great dividing line, this is where you see people like bob corker separating out. the question is why more of the republican party, frankly, why more conservatives aren't willing to do that? eric erikson has been very
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courageous throughout this. but i've been shocked by the number of people who aren't willing to stand up and say, hey, you are not speaking for me. >> charley, that's been the point of your whole book. it's like danny was teeing you up here. but explain. >> part of it is you do have the people who made the bargain they are going to look the other way because they are going to get tax cuts. then of course you have the orange kool-aid drinkers doing all that. p th and this is going to leave a stain on conservative for a generation. but let's go back to this comparison with katrina whether or not this is trump haste katrina. this is about mean spirit he hadness. and also let them eat cake that we are getting from this administration. yesterday was 67th day spent at one of his golf clubs and sitting at this golf club tweeting out attacks against a mayor who is wading through sewage trying to save people's
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lives. people are dying. it's the lack of human empathy. where is the hope? >> i think it's important to separate the tweeting from the reality. and so the tweeting is what it is. but it strikes me that the actual aid over to puerto rico is like a c, c plus. and i've been watching are the institutions of our government functioning under this administration. there are a lot of great people in government trying to do their jobs. and i've been moderately impressed. >> where is the leadership? where we would normally come together and you have the president stokes the culture wars? so not just a tweet problem. it's a leadership problem. >> and in things like that that's what the president says. explains to the nation what our values are. the problem that george w. bush had was he seemed in different.
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donald trump is inciting malice. people suffering in new orleans were at fault, that had a racial component. this has a racial component. the difference is george w. bush wasn't leading the white tribalism that did get turned on the people in the now or liens situation. donald trump is leading it. >> by the way, if he doesn't think there is an impact. i introduce you to central florida. there are a lot of angry puerto ricos in florida that may cost him. when we come back, we'll talk about race, white supremacy and the nfl protests. stick around. plus...what if this happened again? i was given warfarin in the hospital, but wondered, was this the best treatment for me? so i made a point to talk to my doctor. he told me about eliquis. eliquis treats dvt and pe blood clots
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and joins me now. welcome back. >> thanks for having me, chuck. >> good to see you. right here this is what you wrote about in the election. you were not subtle at pointing the blame at bigotry. and this is what you write, "that the country is susceptible to this, they are not so different from the same americans that grin back to us at lynching. it's aimed at emotion. summoning of white working class as a shield against the horrific and empirical evidence." you've said tougher words against the president? >> yes, i have. >> you don't think he'd be here without this? >> no. >> explain that.
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>> i think he begins his campaign in birthism. i don't think it was a mistake. it was a small minority opinion within the republican party. you had eight years of african-american president. and if not majority to at least plurality believed barack obama was not legitimate. and that's how donald trump played that and launched his campaign. i don't think that's ha mistake. he's continued with that all the way through. you had an a person going on tv can't judge because he's am a mexican. >> solely election to barack obama, do we get trump without barack as president? >> i don't think so, without that reacts. doesn't mean there were other factors contributing to trump presidency ultimately. i would argue that white
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supremacy is an indispensable fact. but i think, if you that i can that out, no, i don't think there is a mistake we never had a president who has never held a political office or never had a military posting or anything at all. no experience within the public sphere. to hand it off, i think trump is different. he's not mitt romney. this is a different thing. and i think 50 years from now historians will ask themselves how this actually happened. and i think the answer is going to be the reaction to barack obama's presidency. >> what was interesting is you share a moment you were with president obama a few days before the election in 2016. and neither one of you believed donald trump was going to win. and then after the fact, you admitted you couldn't believe you thought that. >> yeah. >> you know, it's funny, the reason i bring this up. >> i'm disappointed in myself. >> how many african americans before 2008 would say to me he can't win. so it's interesting how this has
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happened. >> well, i think the hard thing to believe is not so much the out and out racism and bigotry and sexism and et cetera as islam phobia that was represented by trump, there is a lack of, excuse my blunt terms, white self-interest in this. that you have a president who is effectively conducting the diplomacy. nuclear diplomacy through tweeting. you would think like, you know, there is a line where says, okay, i'm not going to endanger myself in this way. and that was proven not to be true. that was the shocking part. >> i want to ask you something about a comment that nba coach greg popavich made this week. >> people have to be made to feel uncomfortable and especially white people because we are comfortable. we still have no clue of what
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being born white means. >> curious what you think. it's one thing when you say it. what do you think white people hear when a white man, older white man says that, makes a comment like that? how important is that for an older white man to make a comment? >> i'm not sure f i hope folks hear it in a certain way. but i think important thing that he was trying to get at is when we talk about white, normally people think blond hair, blue eyes, fair skin, certain physical features, because they have existed for a long time. we are talking about ascribing power to those physical features. and that is the dark sort of ideology spirit that trump repeatedly conjures. so i was happy to see it. i hope it hits folks a certain way. >> what would you say to white folks who listen to you and say i'm not that way.
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don't ascribe all this to me. i'm not a white supremacist. >> i would say i'm a sexist either. but i'm not a homophobia either but concerned about equal rights for t for t for the lbgt community. >> it was an interesting comment by the owner of the cleveland cavaliers, lebron james made a pretty tough statement of trump. and went on and talked about the reaction he heard. and he goes, the complaints he got, he said wasn't about the issue that got me. they went to who they really are, some of them. there is an element of racism in this country that i didn't realize existed. let me ask you this, do you think there is that an upside in our conversation about race in this country that will come from donald trump's election? that you have people like dan
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gilbert who was supportive of the president who is realizing i didn't realize how much racism is involved in this country? >> no, i don't think so. i think there is a moment people are seeing it. i think the capacity for people to forget should not be under estimated. and i don't say that blankly. we had a war in this country from 1860 to 1865 where a large numbers of americans died and the price of slavery was made very, very clear. and immediately after that, people were very, very clear on that within about ten years we were back trying to in scribe white supremacy in our laws. i would not be shocked in people in the moment were conscious, and not attack on him, i hope i'm wrong but that's what i this i. >> do you see there is two steps forward, one step back, or what we've experienced? >> i see chaos. i don't know. i don't know. we'll see. >> are you optimistic about your
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son's future in this country? >> i'm optimistic about my son. >> i'll leave it there. congratulations on the book. >> tlangs for having me. >> and the book is "we were eight years in power." when we come back republicans on the right, who is fueling it. when we come back. t? oh, thanks. bon appe-cheese! okay...
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and we are back. we have known for sometime that the senate is a tough one for democrats. but what happened with roy moore in alabama might give republican incumbents reason to worry. here's what we mean. moore was propelled to victory thanks to the same voters. men without a college degree. in fact, only 23% in alabama have bachelor one with the highest educated voters. but moore won the state over all
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with 10 points. now take a look at all of the republican seats up in 2018. most of these will stay in the republican column. democrats are unlikely to pick up any seats in places like utah or texas. but what happened in alabama happens elsewhere we can see a change in the type of republicans serving in the u.s. senate. incumbents in states with trump base voters might start to pani panic. let's start with senator with senator. then dean heller alabama. how about tennessee where bob corker seat is now open. another seat with a low college educated population. this is an and tie establishment mostly rural movement, so even with higher education, incumbents can't rest easy. think about these other ones.
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to be clear, most of the republican held seats talking about are pretty safe for the party over all. two things could happen if more candidates are nominated from outside the republican mainstream. give democrats an opening to pick up more seats. or2012. or we could see an increased polarization and more gridlock and more headaches for leaders like mitch mcconnell. we'll be back in a moment with "end game." we're going to talk about this topic. just how far will the republican civil war go? >> announcer: coming up, "end game," brought to you by boeing. continuing our mission to connect, protect, explore and inspire.
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entyvio. relief and remission within reach. >> announcer: "end game," brought to you by boeing, continuing our mission to connect, protect, explore, and inspire. back now with "end game." let's go to the republican civil war. david brooks, i was amused by the people who were asked about roy moore, u.s. senators, republican u.s. senators this week, after he won, chuck grassley. "if i've read anything he said, i wouldn't have any recollection of it." susan collins -- "i don't know him. i think i'll leave it there." and dean heller with the most laughable quote -- "who won? i wasn't paying attention." this is a group of people that are not looking forward to a colleague named roy moore. >> apparently, alzheimer's is contagious. the mention of roy moore. what strikes me about the republican is they thought they could beat the nationalists, the steve bannons, the roy moors, with monies and organization, and they can't do that.
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they need a story. what i think the republicans need to do is first, the globalist needs to say we're going to tell the story. i believe in free trade, skilled organization, free engagement. and secondly, they have to give up on mitch mcconnell and paul ryan, because that kind of leadership clearly in a trump era is not working. i wish somebody like bob corker would form a gang, a gang of eight, gang of ten, bipartisan senators do their own tax reform and actually sort of shake up all of washington. that seems to be the only way. >> i think it's worse than that. i mean, when you really think about it, what we found out is that donald trump himself cannot contain what he helped unleash, you know? congressman from kentucky, thomas massie -- >> by the way, we have it up, so people can follow the quote along. >> okay. >> it is a great one. "i thought they were voting for libertarian republicans, but after some soul-searching, i realized when they voted for rand and ron and paul and me in these primaries, they weren't voting for libertarian ideas. they were voting for the craziest s.o.b. in the race.
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and donald trump won best in class." >> and now roy moore has come to the front. the republican party has succumb to a rage machine and they can't turn it off and not even donald trump can turn it off. for those of us who think there's a policy answer for this, a few personnel moves, i mean, this is something -- the beast has been released, and they realize that they can't ride it anymore. >> i think a civil war implies that both sides are still fighting, and i don't see the sort of, the wing you talk about, forming a gang of eight. they're not fighting. >> no. >> they're completely capitulating. they may complain to reporters and on background, but in public, they're standing behind donald trump foursquare. they're completely capitulating to the rage machine of the party. they're in fear of their base and they're not fighting. >> but at what point does the voter turn around and say, what are the roy moores and donald trumps doing for me? is there any voter component here? are they always going to be willing to be sold energy drinks? you know, here, have another one, have another one, and never ask what the outcome is going to
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be for them? >> because i think what they're doing for them is just being there. you know, i'm struck by the extent to which for a lot of the base of the republican party, the party's already accomplished what they want. they've spoken to their rage. they speak to their rage every day. all they want is for donald trump to be president, to be there making democrats angry, to be -- >> libertarians -- >> there just making liberals upset. just be there. i don't think they care about policy. >> this is the definition of a dysfunctional government. this is america jumping the shark. >> it's a culture war and he's a cultural president, not a legislative president, but i think there is a positive culture to be told that used to be the pioneer culture that welcomed people in as long as they work and love each other, we'll have a universal nation. that used to be the idea. we solved this problem. >> who is the flag bearer? which is that we keep asking and saying, no, no, paul, step up, mitch, step up. >> they're caught in this vicious feedback loop of peeling to the most bomb baskic and extreme elements of the party. so, what you had is the
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republican party has essentially, has outsourced its thought leadership to the loudest, most obnoxious, the guy at the end of the bar, as opposed to being a governing party or taking philosophy ideas seriously at all anymore. >> and they're doing it in part from the lessons of the tea party. the tea party said we're going to break everything, and they took down major leaders in the republican party. they are more afraid of primaries. they know once they get through them, gerrymandering, et cetera, keeps going in the general election. governing isn't even important. >> do you fear too many democrats are sort of intoxicated by the idea of, like, well, let's go with our own machine? >> i don't think it's that. i think democrats are still enthralled to this idea that they can have back that trump voter that somehow, they can win them back, that if they just offer them the right things and woo them in the right way, they can somehow win them back, rather than understanding that at this point, the democratic party is the party of people of color, it is the party particularly of women of color, it is the party of the young, and you need to go with your real base and stop trying to win back the sort of archie
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and a very good sunday to you. hello. i'm richard lui at msnbc headquarters in new york city on this day. desperation in puerto rico is where we start today. aid slow lly coming in, but foo fuel for generators there, and even cash is scarce at the moment. relief efforts overshadowed by the president's attacks on san juan's mayor. >> speaking from his fancy golf club, playing golf with his billionaire friends, attacking the mayor of san juan, who is struggling to bring electricity to the island, food to the island, water to the island, gas to the island, that is just -- it is unspeakable! and i don't know what world trump is living in.
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