like you would have a hard time getting your head around. donald trump is not the cause of this. he is a symptom of this profound change. they, moore and grim, they are the future of the party. >> i'm not a -- >> they are not out liars, that is what it looks like and under donald trump the civil war is just starting. >> and i think the montana guy who clocked a reporter and got elected. >> and won. >> brave new world. my thanks to all. that does it for our hour. i'm nicole wallace, mtp daily starts right now. hi chuck. >> hi, nicole. >> how are you. >> i just came from the hill. it is fun to be in capitol hill. you get energized. >> i believe you. thanks, nicole. if it is thursday, we're talking guns and ruses. >> tonight the nra and republicans support regulation on bump stock devices after the tragedy in las vegas. >> we are open to having that conversation. we think that we should have

that conversation. >> but the nra also proposed loosening other gun regulations. will anything really change? plus -- >> the radicalizing of a conservative movement. former talk show host charlie psychs said the ride has lost its mind and he is partly to blame. and with so many of the trump administration jobs still unfilled or in acting modes, who is running the government? this is mtp daily and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington and welcome to mtp daily. some republicans finally seem ready to have a debate on something involving guns, excepting it an issue where there might not be any debate and it is not about guns, not in the way you might think. it is over a gun accessory that practically nobody had ever heard of until las vegas gunman

stephen paddock retrofitted guns with a bump type stock. this device which is legal allows you to convert a semi automatic into what isn't. and this is a gun debate on regulations or a ruse to avoid that debate. today we saw a bunch of big name republicans, including some in leadership warming to the idea of a potential ban on this accessory. but i just sat down with steve scalise for an interview that you will see this sunday on m t "meet the press" and he was a victim of gun violence this summer is not one of the republicans that is warming to a bump stock ban just yet. ear here is what he said when i asked him about the issue. >> if you talked to people about a week ago, most people didn't know what a bump stock was.

>> me too. >> and they are finding out about it and they are rushing to judgment and they have a bill already. and nancy pelosi wants it to be a slippery slope and doesn't want to stop at bump stocks an they want to limit the rights of gun owners so it is early for people to say they know what to do to fix this problem. and they are asking the atf to go back and review their decision to authorize it and i think they should and they are. >> now compare his comments with what house speaker paul ryan told my colleague hugh hewitt in an interview on saturday morning on msnbc hugh hewitt show. >> are you open to a bump stock. >> look, i don't even know what they were until this week. and i'm an avid sportsman. fully automatic have been banned for a long time and this allows you to take a semi automatic and and turn it into an automatic. this is something we need to look it. >> more subtle but and he falls

in line with the senate that warm to the idea banning this accessory as well. >> this strikes me as something worth considering and particularly when you look at the video of this individual spraying gunfire at a high rate on these 22,000 people from his 32nd floor hotel room. i think it is worth our serious consideration. >> and not much pushback from the white house either. >> we're certainly open to that moving forward but we want to be part of the conversation as it takes place in the coming days and weeks. >> but there is a chance that the debate gets shut down before it ever begins because congress mab scalise thinks atf should decide this issue and not congress and that the the view of the nra. they threw its weight behind additional regulations on bump stocks but they want the atf to figure it out, not congress.

the nra did call on congress to act on another bill. to pass a national cob conceal and carry law. and joining me now a senator working to ban bump stocks. and congressman, thank you for joining me. >> good evening from outside of the house chamber. >> i was just there. had a conversation with steve scalise and so good to have him back around the house. let me ask you, do you want this to be something we vote on in congress, or do you think it is just fine if atf decides to regulate bump stocks out of the law. >> no, i definitely think that this prohibition, this ban on these bump stock should be codified. i think we need to send a strong message, republicans and democrats together, which is why our legislation filing together with seth moulton, a democrat from massachusetts, is going to

be not just bipartisan, but perfectly bipartisan. we want to have an equal number of republicans and democrats on it. we think we need to send a strong message that, yes, we are willing to stand up and respond to this obvious and flagrant circumvention of existing law. as you said earlier, these weapons are illegal. no one has the right to have or fire an automatic weapon. these deviced turn legal weapons into illegal weapons an that is what we have to stop. >> do you think that there is fear on capitol hill of holding any vote on any gun regulation? >> i don't know exactly how this is going to play out. i will tell you this, chuck, my office has been flooded by calls from fellow republican house members who are anxious to get on the bill. they thought they were filing it today. they wanted to be on it immediately. we're probably going to end up filing it tomorrow so there is definitely momentum here. and i think our leaders are

already responding to that growing momentum inside of the house republican conference. >> what do you say -- congressman scalise to me and you heard it in the clip, he is concerned about the slippery slope and he even said, hey, minority leader pelosi said she doesn't want to stop here. if the argument is made that voting to ban this, is the beginning of a slippery slope. will that doom your bill. >> steve speaks with a lot of moral authority on this issue because he is a victim of gun violence and we're so thrilled to have him back. he's a wonderful colleague and friend and legislator. but i think on this one, he's got it wrong. we really have to do the right thing. this is not about a slippery slope. we all have a different ideas about what gun policies should look like in this country. but we should take this case, it is obvious that our laws failed in this case, and we should do the right thing. and no, passing this law or having this law but in effect

before, it maybe would not have prevented the tragedy but could have mitigated it. maybe fewer people would have died, fewer people would have been wounded. that makes a difference. >> and what happens to somebody who already owns one of these, if your law passes. >> our goal is to prohibit these. i am not a fan of grandfathering such a deadly device that can be used to massacre dozens of people as we saw last weekend. so in my view, the bill hasn't been filed yet, but in my view there should be no grandfathering these devices should be prohibited. no transactions, no possession, and none of the above. >> congressman, it is your bill. you say that you haven't filed yet. is something arguing for a grandfather clause. >> i do have a co-sponsor, a sponsor i'm working with, seth moulton and i don't want to speak without consulting him but i'm pretty sure i shall -- he would be fine with everything i

told you. >> so if it is not grandfathered, in how do you get rid of the ones out there. i'm had some people e-mail me concerned that while we debate this, giving a high profile to this accessory, will actually create a run of people buying this accessory. how do we get it off the street. >> i think that is already happened, chuck. i've heard that hunlds if not thousands have been sold in recent days. we're going to leave that to atf. congress passes laws and it is up to the agencies to implement them and figure out how to actually carry out the laws. but we want to send a strong message that we respect existing law. that there should be no automatic weapons out there. and the bottom line is that these devices turned legal weapons into illegal weapons. semi automatic and automatic and that is unacceptable. >> what else do you think -- that congress should look at in order to apparently -- first of

all, do you think it should be the federal government's role to figure out a way to keep the united states from being the leader of the world when it comes to gun massacres. >> i think there is certainly a role, chuck. and i think there is room for both strengthening and respecting rights and restricting the rights just like we restrict free speech and all sorts of other rights that americans are guaranteed by the congress and last congress seth seth moulton and i introduced another piece of legislation that had it been if effect before the pulse nightclub tragedy could have prevented that. people who have been under fbi investigation for ties to terrorism within the last five years, allowing the government some time to block the sale of a firearm, of course guaranteeing that person due process, the possibility of going to court. so i think there are a lot of sensible ideas that do not

threaten american second amendment rights but that will help keep the public safe and that is the sweet spot we are looking for. this is a small step and we imagine managed to get this done but i don't think it should be discounted. it will be significant. it will be the first time in decades that republicans and democrats work together in favor of sensible gun policy in this country. >> but you will work together to codify something that was already in law. a ban on automatic weapons. >> well, accept that these devices are currently legal and people are purchasing them on the internet for as little as $99. it is a lop hole in the law and we are closing a loophole but we are trying to end that circumvention of existing law. >> congressman, republican from miami, i'll leave it there. good to see you sir. thank you for coming on. joined by the new york times columnist brett stevens who had the op ed.

it is headlined this. repealed the second amendment. brett stevens joins me now via skype. he is traveling overseas and this was the best way. mr. stevens, you go to -- you go to "the new york times," and suddenly you are for repealing the second amendment. i kid but this is what your conservative friends are saying. make your case for why you believe the second amendment has to be repealed if you are going to -- if we are ever going to make progress in the gun debate. >> well first of all, i think my fellow conservatives failed to take proper account of the fact that in the last five years -- 46,000 or so of their fellow americans have been killed in gun violence. th that is nearly as many americans that died in the vietnam war and this is not going to stop with the sort of proposals that the congressman you just had on your show is offering. even though those may be value

at the very margins. but the problem is that especially since the haller decision of 2008 but the supreme court which i think is a correct interpretation of the second amendment, we have a max mallist view in this country about the role of guns. which the nra and other advocacy groups have of course promoted to the hilt. and so we are faced with a situation in which all of the sort of proposals that you hear, even from most democrats and more background checks and gun buy become programs will not do anything meaningful to curb the daily massacres on american streets. the oemg thing that will do that is banning second amendment. there is rules to owning guns but that doesn't mean that someone like paddock should be able to purchase more than 40

semi automatic or quasiautomatic weapons to do what he did or that there should be 300 million guns on american streets. that seems a recipe for a genuine american carnage, for example the trump administration is so reluctanct to talk about. >> and do you believe that the interpretation of the second amendment, right now, as far as the current law states and what the supreme court decision and you brought up heller being now the interpretation of the second amendment, you are making the case essentially that even if you agree with some of the regulation ideas that are out there, you think they are all subject to being found to be unconstitutional because of the max mallist interpretation of the second amendment. >> look. i don't think as some of my fellow colleagues at the times sometimes do. that the correct interpretation of the second amendment is a restrictive one.

i don't think that the founders intended arms only to be used in well regulated militias. the phrase, the independent clauses about the right to bear arms, so the court i think in fact has it right. that is something of an irony here. the court has it right, that the right to bear arms is extremely expansive. now that is seems to me strange and dangerous. we are the only advanced society in the world that suffers from the kind of gun violence that we do. and i would be hard-pressed for my fellow conservatives to tell me that a country like trailia, with a kror with -- with a krorve government and a strong solid military and a strong history of being part of the western alliance is somehow losing their liberty because they have much more restrictive gun laws. england, great brittain is the

oldest free country in the world. and yet somehow conservatives have this idea that the only right that guarantees our freedom is the second amendment. these are the same conservatives who seem to think that if it weren't for gun ownership, we wouldn't be a free people. it is not gun ownership that keeps us free. it is the rule of law. and whenever people do use guns for political reasons, we condemn it. >> you want to -- you make a case there at the end that you think it would be healthy if we sort of renewed our constitution. are you prepared to have a debate about other amendments in that bill of rights? there is plenty of people that would like to see some restrictions on the first amendment. >> sure. and i don't agree with them. this is part of a debate that needs to take place. the constitution has changed historically. the 13th and 14th and 15th amendment changed the constitution for the better.

we had prohibition and we got rid of prohibition. we've done many things to the constitution in our history. that's the intention of the of the founders. you make a perfectly good argument that in 1787 or 88 or even in later in american history, the right to bear arms was essential to american liberty. now i think it is essential to the american massacre taking place on this routine basis and people out to be outraged by it. it is all well and good that after -- [ inaudible ]. >> oh, no. brett, i feel terrible. we lost you there at the end. you were wrapping up. go finish read reading his column. thank you for coming on and doing this via skype. i appreciate it. as i mentioned earlier, steve scalise will be among my guests this sunday on "meet the press." we'll talk more about other issues and not just guns.

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welcome back. we saw a major break in the ranks among democrats, a member of the leadership went public saying it is time for house minority leader nancy pelosi to step down. >> win or lose, after next year, it is time for her to go. >> i -- i don't want to single her out. i think -- >> well steny hoyer and jim clyburn. >> i think that is it is time to pass the torch to a new generation. they are all of the same generation and the contributions to the congress and caucus are substantial but i think there comes a time when you need to pass that torch and i think it is time. >> congresswoman linda sanchez as vice chair the fifth highest

ranking democrat and a member of california delegation as is nancy pelosi. and when sanchez was asked if pelosi who saz staved off leadership challenges in the past would keep her post if she vote today, she didn't know. and she enjoys wide support in the caucus and sanchez said she wants to be part of the generous to a new transition of new leaders. we'll be right back. does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment? if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, you can embrace the chance of completely clear skin with taltz. taltz is proven to give you a chance at completely clear skin. with taltz, up to 90% of patients had a significant improvement of their psoriasis plaques. in fact, 4 out of 10 even achieved completely clear skin. do not use if you are allergic to taltz.

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don't know which came first. is there a comfort level that the nra will be for getting rid of the bump stock so republican members are okay and now the debate is is it a vote in congress or a regulation by the trump administration. >> and i think that is why the nra steps in and they knew they had to do something and they would prefer a regulation or rule over legislation which they have been the top proponents of the argument once you ban a bump stock next it is a slippery slow where they are showing up at your door to take your guns away which isn't true but that is the line. so i think that is the comfort level that they found. it gave some is republicans cover to back that approach even though they are seeing some republicans open to legislation, i think that is probably a life line that they threw out today. >> ramesh, there seems to be you have some republicans that want to go on the record with a vote and some that want to see this banned but don't want to go on record with this vote because this won't be the only thing they have to vote on. once this goes to the senate, there is amendment after

amendment to make maybe people in swing states have to take tough votes. >> well, i don't know whether it is just republicans who are going to want to avoid some of the votes. >> that is right. they'll be some rural democrats too. both of them. >> in 2013 we had a democratic senate and a vote on the assault weapons ban and 40 votes. only 40 votes for this position. so there are a lot of democrats in states who are worried about the politics of gun control as well. i think part of what is happening here is the nra has enough confidence in the position that it could afford to relax about the slippery slope because it knows in this congress and with this white house and given where public opinion is, it doesn't have that much to fear in terms of gun regulation. >> would the democrats see this as a victory. >> no. but i think that -- i'm from the leann panetta school of legislation. take what you could get and come back for me. i hope this they pass it and i hope it is a slippery slope and

to passing back on track and to banning assault weapons and have -- there sort of two things that still resonate from new town. one is newtown, it was crushing and i worked for the obamacare white house and we didn't get background checks passed and that was a crushing defeat but it continues to matter. and this is the worst shooting in our history, but it still evokes newtown as well. i and i feel the difference between 16 on the campaign trail and 1 and people who are actually motivated to vote on guns, on the democratic side, it is growing. the passion has never been our side as opposed to the people who are supporting the nra but it is moving. >> i was asked this question earlier today, is this going to change anything and i say until somebody loses an election because they are against a gun regulation. >> kelly ayotte. >> you think -- >> that hurt her in new hampshire. it hurt her in new hampshire that she, to refresh everyone's memory. she came out after newtown and

said she would not support the new package. >> you believe that cost her the re-election. >> yes. in new hampshire. -- >> don't he no if i count -- >> it is not as if people think of new hampshire as a great state to be running on background checks. >> i think it is a culture issue. i think the legislation can't come forward until we change the american culture that has been ingrained, a gun culturin ghraib gain -- ingrained into america that makes people fear it is an affront to the constitutional rights. the united states civilians hold 50% of the world's guns. 5% of the population. you can't legislate that away. >> what did you make of the brett stevens argument. if you want gun regulation, you have to repeal the second amendment because if you -- if you are a constitution conservative, there is no way you could do both. >> i think steven's argument is unserious because he wants to repeal the second amendment,

good luck with that in the first place, in order to do what. he doesn't say. he doesn't want a complete ban. some guns should be allowed. what is the point of this. if you want a draconian ban on guns of the sort, that you take 300 million guns out of circulation, how are you going to do that without starting much, much worse civil strife than we already have in this country. if you endorse the australian campbell as he's been doing, that is a gun confiscation example, is that what he wants to endorse. >> don't even know how we will get rid of the bump stock. >> the ones in circulation. >> we are not starting from the position -- >> i feel like the more we debate it, the more we are getting into circulation. >> because people are -- or when record gun sales were at the very high level during the obamacare administration because people thought this that you have to buy them before obama would take your guns away. it is discouraging toward the

ability to make progress. but attitudes are changing and it -- and it is a voting issue on our side. >> don't you have to win in a rural district on a gun issue to change the -- >> to, it doesn't have to be a rural decision. and it is changing now. the nra -- it is appalling, i have not left my capacity to be appalled at them. but to say we -- the atf could do regulation so long as you pass cob concealed carry. but they failed -- felt the pressure to say something. that is new and progress. >> let me move quickly that the last little headline. nancy pelosi getting heat now publicly, we know privately, kimberly, that it is out there but from somebody in leadership. >> that it to sting. >> i'm sure that it does. i don't think nancy pelosi is shaking too much in her boots. she does still enjoy support within the house but you are seeing increase in numbers at a time where the democrats are going through their own. i wouldn't call it a civil war

but going through their own reckoning to figure out what the future is. we've seen folks like tim ryan and seth moulton hinting strongly that there needs to be a different vision for future. we'll see how far that goes. >> there is buzz, jennifer, that she may by the end of the year make her intentions known about 2019. >> i doubt it. >> you doubt it? >> that is what everybody always thinks. but she's very -- she continues to be in power because she very effective at her job and map maintaining support in the democratic caucus. >> do you think this generation is the toughest one to push back. >> the longer time goes on, the harder that is. and if you have a member of your leadership from your state publicly saying something like that, it is not -- >> by november of 2018, who will be a tougher person to defend, mitch mcconnell or nancy pelosi. >> i'm getting it is mcconnell. but that is a difference because

pelosi in the past when house democrats distanced themselves from her because they are from conservative districts. that is not what is going on in the case of congressman sanchez. >> right. that is a fair point. guys, i'll leave it there. we'll have more at the other side of the half hour. still ahead, why a former conservative thought leader said the right has lost its mind. when it embraced donald trump.

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welcome back. it has been 11 months since the 2016 election and the never trumpers are still grappling

with big questions, how did we get here. and former long time radio host charlie sykes looks at how rhetoric made donald trump and his own exile from what the conservative movement. he said there is no point in mincing words. for me 2016 was a slog when i realized that conservatives have created a reality bubble and i had perhaps helped shape it. joining me now is charlie sykes and welcome back to the show. congrats on the book. but it is a -- -- it is a tough thing to say you were part of this problem. and there is some people that are going to watch this as conservatives and say, this wasn't a problem. you sold out. so explain what you mean when the right lost its mind and how

it began. >> well, this is why i wrote the book. i'm trying to figure out what just happened to us. how do we go from the party of ronald reagan to donald trump and how did we go from william f. buckley to sean hannity. what happened here. was it a hostile takeover or a black swan event or a pre-existing condition. and those are the tough questions. and you know the -- losing its mind, really chronicles how conservatives have really outsourced much of the thought leadership to crazy town. the attack on the conservative tradition and asking what did we miss? what did we do, did we contribute to this. >> well what did you come to? do you believe -- you said you think you contributed to it. what are spl ways you did. >> and i think everybody needs to engage in this interspek --

prospeks. i think i contributes to the creation of alternative reality media but the real thing what we don't do, we did not push back hard enough against the crackpots, against the folks who later became the alt right. back in the 1960s, william f. buckley drew a line and exited the john burch society because he wasn't a rhino, but he said this is a healthy intellectually honest movement. and we did not do that. we don't have the gate keepers and we didn't draw a line when donald trump began spouting the birther conspiracy and the white national afts began spouting off and that is a moral and political failure. >> why wasn't that a disqualifier. why wasn't the idea of believing in a bizarre conspiracy theory that would have been a disqualifier in any other generation, why wasn't that a

disqualifier, birtherism and why did too many mainstream republicans flirt with it. >> that is a fundamental question. i think it is to simplistic that all conservatives are racist or bigots but the reality is the republican party would never have nominated donald trump had it not cultivated indifference to the racialish youus and tolerated this sort of thing and to what we are now paying the price for is all of the things to be ignored and what happened was we kind of thought, okay, those are the postcards from the fringe, the center will hold and nobody takes that seriously. but there was something deeply wrong in a conservative movement that allowed that kind of paranoid conspiracy theory and i think the media had a lot to do it with. i think with the drudge report started leaking to alex jones at info wars and i think that had something to do with it. i think a lot of people had a hand in this. >> there one person above all. i think about the -- the fak

that we had a news organization run by a political operative, in roger ailes and he was a culture warrior and he a specific way he knew how to get at gut level, when he was a campaign consultant and used the same tactics to market news and commentary. and so how much did that contribute, for instance. >>, to your audience. >> it contributed. fox news is a major player here. the rise of conservative talk radio which i was part of, a major role and then also the explosion of the complete alternative reality eco-system centered on breitbart.com and what social media did. so you had a -- you had a trend line where you had many of the voices that i think shape the narrative but then they were amplified in ways that i think took a lot of people in the mainstream very much by surprise.

>> it also seemed for some reason that it just became easier to get at culture -- it is easier to talk about a war on christmas, it is easier to talk about people going into a bathroom, when those aren't serious issues. let's be realistic. these are were not serious crises that american was dealing with. >> i think the some point and part of this recognition is that guys like you and me, we think the politics is about ideas an about policies and about accomplishments, when increasingly politics has become about attitude and tribal loyalty. the culture wars that substitute for substance and that is a transformation that we've seen over the last several decades, it has led to us to where we are. and again donald trump is certainly a cause of some of this but he is a symptom. there is no question about it. even if you take donald trump out, this is a party that nominated sarah palin and flirted with a lot of some

whacky candidates, this is a party that has cranked up a perpetual outrage machine that they are now finding out they cannot control. >> do you think we are at a tipping point or do you think it is going to -- you need ten roy moores to get into the united states senate. that one isn't going to be the breaking point, ten is. >> one is not the breaking point but we are certainly near a tipping point when you realize that not even donald trump can control what he has, what he has unleashed and you have to ask yourself, what does it mean if the guys like roy moore, if they are the future of the republican party, the conservative movement, how did we get here. >> but let me ask you a question that roger ailes might ask if he were still aaround. isn't a failure of conservative i lint eekt you'lls. >> it turns out that we were a much smaller brand of brothers

but this is a failure of ideas and courage and principle and that is why there are some of us who are now in the wilderness and have to figure out is there some way back from the wilderness. >> all right. charlie sykes. you found a home here. we show you we've got a nice big tent right here and it is great to have you. charlie sykes, congrats on the book. i'm sure folks will be reading it and loving it or hating it, as long as they are reading it, you don't mind. >> still ahead, the president wants to drain the swamp so why isn't he hired people to actually do it.

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it's lid time. are conservatives concerned that the president hasn't billed the government out very well? let's forget the acting secretaries issue, the west wing staff shake-ups. but at the end of the day, one of the prizes of winning the presidency is running the

federal government. and right now, there are a lot of career people running the federal government. >> that's right. i think that there is less concern than there ought to be. especially for trump's strongest supporters. and one of the reasons they've been hanging back in raising this concern is it does raise the question of trump being competent. i think that's not the entire story. it is also the fact a lot of people don't want to serve in this administration. it is also that the confirmation process, the vetting process, has gotten more and more arduous with each administration. >> there is an extra process with the trump white house themselves do a loyalty check. and there have been people who have gotten the green light and then had their nomination pulled back because their twitter feed was not so good to donald trump in '16. >> that's right. we've seen it in the state department and elsewhere. i think conservatives should be

concerned. you want the function of government to keep going on. you want the policies that the president campaigned on to be carried out. jeff sessions is carrying out president trump's law and order policy with every ounce and his being. in other places you see it stalled. >> but he is not beyond suspicion either. >> explain the importance of deputies in these agencies? in many cases they run the agency. >> they do. it is like running a big company. and you saw this on the dearth of he deputies on last week when they replaced the hhs swekt a deputy assistant secretary and deputy assistant. that's like, what is it? eight, nine, ten on the org chart? >> the are secretary, the deputy secretary, 20 assistant secretaries, 40 to 60 deputy assistant secretaries. so you probably see that when

you have a not good response on hurricanes. you see what happens. >> and these are people who aren't trumpers necessarily. these aren't people who the president would have selected himself. >> right now they're still holdovers. that has to really sort of chap some people. >> one really interesting point with the political vetting, this administration i think actually is much more tolerant of people who criticize trump. the problem is that sole more republicans were so much more critical of trump than is usually the case with the republican administration. some very tough things were said that in a normal administration, if you said that about the president, you would not be secretary of education. the problem is there was such a broad range. >> they had to have a lower bar of tolerance. at what point does this become an issue? >> when we start seeing major policy failures that are the

result of the lack of support in the agency, i think the state department is a very dangerous place right now. you have not only a dearth in staff. how is he going to hire people? >> at a time when we're dealing with the north korean crisis, we're about to decertify the iran nuclear deal. >> can this fester to the one-year mark? it seems like they want rex tillerson to limp to the one-year mark. >> i feel like it is november, not january. >> if it is the one-year mark. january 20th. >> that seems, that's a long time to have the state department be basically -- >> and either party, either side of this could get sick of it on any given day and decide that it is time for tillerson to leave.

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in case you missed it, it is not just washington jobs that are left open, it is jobs around

the world of specifically ambassadorships, ireland or norway, maybe it snlts an extremely pressing concern right now although it would be good to have an ambassador to south korea or venezuela. there are roughly 30 ambassadorship that's still don't have nominees. about 25 more that vnlts been confirmed but at least having through the process. one of those is the czech republic. we did learn today that the president did offer it to none other than his ex-wife, ivana trump. she said they still speak about once a week. she told cbs, i was just offered to be the american ambassador to czech republic. ivana who was raised in the f m former czechoslovakia said she turned it down because i like my freedom. why would i go and say bye-bye to miami in the winter, bye-bye

to saint tropez in the summer, and bye-bye to spring and fall in new york. although prague is pretty awesome any time of year. we'll be back with more mtp daily right now. let's go have a beer in prague with ivana trump. sign me up. there's big news in the russia investigation, tonight about, what bob mueller is probing now. do you remember donald trump's very first press conference as president-elect? it was bizarre. trump tried to counter concerns about foreign powers enriching him by showing the supposed paperwork for creating new rules for trump hotels. the folders were are found later to be purely voluntary. he brought out a private lawyer to press his case. and then he waded into a controversy that jim comey had just told him about