>> what's your response to those who say the president undercut the secretary of state. >> i think it's the premise of that question is absolutely ridiculous. the president can't undercut his own cabinet. the president is the leader of the cab nebraska he sets the tone and agenda. i think that question makes no sense because of that. >> actually the question makes sense. >> a lot of sense. >> a lot of sense. >> white house press secretary sarah huckaby sanders denying simmering tensions inside the administration. this morning there is news the president was furious with his secretary of state and chief of staff john kelly is scrambling to manage the fallout from that. also this morning, there are new details behind the las vegas gunman, steven paddock. authorities believe he may have considered attacking crowds at other big events in boston and chicago before las vegas. we'll get to that coming up. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have donny

deutsche, heidi prsybyl la, good to have you all this morning. >> well, so, they're denying that there is any problem between donald trump f. you have to tweet out a denial that you called the president a moron and you have to hold a press conference denying that, chances are good you called the president a moron. even you take eight step further, he didn't deny it at the press conference. >> why would you deny. >> i am not going to deny. when you are forced to deny you called the president a moron is a 100% chance you called him a moron. if in fact, in that press conference you don't call, you don't deny calling the president a moron. >> i want to ask you, you spent a few years in politics, when somebody says i will not dignify

or petty, we call that 100% a falsehood. i don't think there is much of a question. there seems to be a two-hour gap from the 6:00 in the morning time the story broke and 8:00 a.m. where trump hit the road pacing and kelly was trying to calm him down t. problem trump has is i think for a while he is stuck with tillerson, a sue sued pact between mattisson, mnuchin, if one goes, they all go. i think they're strange bed fellows. obviously, we know tillerson is a ceo his entire life. it's marred for a ceo to subordinate to another ceo, particularly when one is a pedigree ceo in a fortune 20 ceo, the other was never taken seriousrily in the world of ceos. that's another quagmire. >> yesterday, i had heard about four or five times, even on our morning show, people say they're both powerful ceos.

they don't get along. i get that rex tillerson every time he hears that, he has to make his skin crawl. because donald trump ran a mom and pop operation without a mom and rex tillerson ran the largest corporation in the world. >> different species. >> and it took a lot more maneuvering. a lot more compromise. he actually had a board he had to deal with. donald trump, you know, he had to deal with his cat. >> it's not that they can't get along. ceos get along all of the time. senior executives, boards, these relationship, but the key thing here is that donald trump had this almost fetish with ceos, generals, these very powerful men. he's attracted no that power. once they're within his orbit and control, you see some very cutting and very unusual behavior behind the scenesened also in the public with these tweets to kind of undercut them. emass can you late them almost.

on the issue, why have a secretary of state? it seems like he's undercut tillerson almost go down the ledger of the issue, whether it be north korea, iran, of all of the reporting we have is that he undercuts him and he resents him when tillerson prevails. such as in the instance of the increase in troops in afghanistan. the reporting is that trump resented that. >> we also have david ignacious with us in washington. we will begin this morning with something the president said at the white house, bannon still has some wondering exactly what he meant. president trump had dinner with the top military commanders and their spouses at the white house. while posing in the dining room, the president volunteered their ominous comments to reporters.

. >> david ignacious, what do you make of those remarks and what do you think he meant? >> well, they're saber-rattling. they're intended to disrupt to what trump might do. >> is that anxiety inside the pentagon or outside the pentagon? >> reporter: i think it's anxiety, it's intended to be anxiety outside the pentagon, among our adversaries, particularly i'm sure in north korea. also coming over the next week, are significant new announcements about iran and tougher steps the u.s. will take

towards iran and iran's proxies around the middle east. >> that is a storm that's being cranked up in the back room, but when you gat your military leaders and make remarks leak that, that's a signal. it's very deliberate. it's intended to put our adversaries on notice that we're prepared to be tough. president trump's tried to send that message every other day. it's a part of his strategy. it makes people nervous and that's i think what he wants to do. >> and in addition, as i was alluding to before, it makes people nervous inside the pentagon as much as anywhere. they are not to be used in photo ops, we don't do military parade, although, that fact breaks the president's heart every day so this is his version of a sort of a dining experience complete with a parade of

military officials. >> this is policy as game show t. president likes to create some anticipation for his cliff hangars. it's a little different to do when military action is at stake and, look, if he's creating some worry for our enemies, he is creating some worry for our allies and frankly for people like me. i prefer to have a little short tea on these decision than have it dangled in a press conference like this. >> you get the feeling the life blood of trump the adrenaline of trump if there is not some eight created. he is in the alleve. there will be no diagnosis, i poen won't bring my ph.d. of diagnosing whacky people. there is a tourettes of a need to ruffle the papers. >> can you make an architect if there was an underlying

strategy, if for example we were trying to head-fake kim jong-un to a greater purpose other than this ending in a hot war. but when you have scenes like this, days after the president is tweeting out rex forget about it, don't waste your time on diplomacy. what, where are we headed? >> there is nothing in the last three, four, five, six days that would merit that. so you can't say, okay, this is the fire and brimstone argument. where did that come from? >> david ignacious, i know you don't know where it came from. where are we sitting right now with north korea? it's been quieted by volatile weather and of course the tragedy in las vegas. but this nuclear standoff continkompbts continues. where does that fit into the larger north korean developments? >> obviously, we don't know the details bharks we do know is that an effort to engage north

korea diplomatically, which was made publicly and privately be i the secretary of state has not been successful t. north korean versus not sent back the message that would allow talks to go forward. it's my assessment tillerson and, indeed the white house would like it to happen. it hasn't happened. one message the president was sending in warning off tillerson was this diplomatic meal is getting cold on the table and we're about to walk away. i think that was what they wanted north korea to hear. people forget if we were to take significant military action, move up the ladder in dealing with north korea, it would take about two months to get all the logistical supplies in place to be able to work with and protect our allies. so maybe one of the issues that's ahead is, if we're moving into a period of greater confrontation the things that have to begin. that's within thing.

as i said before, i do know, there was a meeting with senior now security council officials yesterday, they are preparing a series of announcements about harsher measures to deal with iran as proxies. so that's ahead. >> now to this story in this morning's "wall street journal," stocks continue their steady march higher, notching milestones not seen in more than 20 years, many investors see fewer obstacles to the seemingly endless run. >> that headline comes as a usa suffolk poll shows americans are optimistic about the recovery for the first time during trump's presidency, 53% say the economy is in a recovery. but despite this, 64% also say the country is on the wrong track, up 21 points, since the beginning of the year and the highest for trump yet. also in the poll, 57% said they

want the next congress to stand up to president trump. >> that includes one in five republicans say they want him to cooperate. >> there is always this belief that people vote their pocketbook and pockbook only. >> that certainly happens when the economy is doing poorly. right now you are seeing the stockmarkets continue to rise. that's certainly positive for a lot of americans and business owners. you are seeing the right track go in the wrong direction. i remember 1994, bill clinton had a pretty strong economy and yet his democratic congress got wiped out in the '94 mid-terms. a strong economy does not always mean that the president in power does well politically in mid-term elections. but i think the most important part of those polls, it explains why business owners, why a lot of republicans, why people still are putting up with donald trump. because they're say, hey, the

economy is better now than it's ever been before. i'll keep my head down. you turn off the tv to make money. >> it's a good thing for donald trump. you have to give the president credit for one thing here. he has this magical ability to make people optimistic act the economy, their optimism and their sense of where it's going beyond where it actually is. so we se a divergence more and more about people thinking about the economy and where actual jobs are. look, i think he will ultimately be graded on how things are for people and so to the extent things are getting better, it will insulate him between the divisions he korea its to some extent. >> i know a lot of even in the zip code we live in here, affluent people who begrudgingly voted for donald trump, they said to themself, you know, i'm going to make more money, he will not screw up my tax, i can live with him. i think now a year into this presidency arc big chunk of those people are willing to

possibly sacrifice a buck or two from their pocketbooks. >> have you met those people? the people i talk to business owners i talk to say full steam ahead, baby the market's doing great. i'm making more money than ever before. >> like republicans walking the plank. >> he knew he was a little whacky when we voted for him. >> the swing democrats, i'm seeing a little bit, earlier they said screw it, i'm not voting for hillary, i'm going to make more money t. swing democrats that moved over, i see some waivering because there is a human -- >> i think there is something to that, i was in a bowling alley in macomb county. >> i was there. >> mika and i are always there. >> i met one of these guys, a jolly fellow, voted for barack obama twice and then voted for trump. i took his number. we talked you know about he felt that this congress was obstructing the president. but on some of these cultural

issues, these swing voters were never comfortable with the president. his tweets, his comments about women. these things always made them uncomfortable. i called him after the nfl stuff. and he was angry and i think some of these swing people who yes they want him because he's a businessman, because he'll do things for the economy, are turned off by what he may be doing to tensions in this country, cultural tensions. >> because they feel, ah, he's doing it to get elected. >>. >> there are many people voted for him despite thinking he was not fit for the presidency. >> that is like the central mystery in american politics right now. it makes me wonder about a lot of these people. >> a difference between unfit and temperament. clearly they said he didn't have temperament. >> that didn't automatically mean unfit. >> again, donald trump did not run. it wasn't a referendum on donald trump. >> correct. >> this election was a referendum on somebody who had been in government for 40 years

and if you look at the honest david ignacious if you look at the honest and trustworthy numbers of donald trump, they were horrific. the only person in american politics that had worst, honest and trustworthy numbers was hillary clinton. you can talk about approval ratings. his approval ratings were hor risk. so were hillary clinton's. we still, we're sort of in a fog still trying to figure out exactly why donald trump won and it's hard to answer that question, because the person he ran against had 40 years of political scar tissue on her when people went to the voting booth. >> reporter: you know, joe, one other great insights of the super economist john maynard caines economic life was driven by what he called animal spirits. he couldn't come up with a better phrase than that, animal spirits and sometimes people have them, they just want to

buy, they want to invest. they think things will be bet fer they're business owners. sometimes they don't. for whatever reason. we could debate it for the next hour, donald trump has aroused those animal spirits and people buying in our security markets and maybe out in the real economy and that is the engine of economic growth. you can be worried about the future. you don't like his policy, you don't understand this or that. but that funny thing that kind of raw desire to invest after years of not doing so, maybe that's what we're seeing. >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe," former vice president joe biden receives an award yesterday that is very near to my heart. one named after my father. we'll play for you some of his remarks at the ceremony, including about the time he told vladimir putin to his face he had no soul. >> the response, priceless. >> also ahead, former defense secretary under president

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prize, that honors the legacy of my dad that promotes geothinking with a transcending moral purpose. think about needing that now more than ever. this year's recipient was joe biden, a former vice president spoke of how the world today still very much needs my father's voice and message. >> i am deeply honored to receive this recognition and i only wish like all of you that big was still with us here, not just at the pleasure of his company this evening, but because the foreign policy battles we are fighting today were ones about which big was always the most passionate. he passed it on to his son. we need his voice and his vision today as much as we ever did and it's not hyperbole to suggest

it's sorely missed. big sometimes stood outside the foreign policy consensus, but in my opinion he possessed the gift, few of us, few politicians shared, a sense of a grand strategy. he understood that america leadership rested on more than overwhelming military superiority. he saw our values, our respect for human rights, our involvement with international institutions for what they are, a source of incredible strength for our country. >> biden also revealed what he told russian president vladimir putin. >> i got criticized when i was last with putin and we were in his office alone and i -- he wanted to show me his magnificent office and it was

and i had my head up. i said it's amazing what capitalism will do. and as i turned, we were coincidentally about this far apart looking at each other and i said and i wasn't being a wise guys, i said, mr. president, i'm look income your eyes and you have no soul. and he looked back at me, he said, we understand one another. it's important to understand, not to threaten, to understand the other, where the other person is coming from. >> wow. >> well, so, david ignacious, we know who lavrov is channeling now. what a comeback. you have no soul. so we understand each other. that's -- from that's rookie. >> but i'll tell you, i will tell you what, i am far more -- and i'm sure are you and a lot of other people are far more comfortable with that sort of exchange than threatening

exchanges or presidents putting arms around leaders saying i've looked into their eyes and i've seen their soul. we can deal with a lot more of that hard realism, especially between america and russia right now than we have. >> reporter: the thinking about mika's dad, dr. brzezinski, he was a tough man. he had lived through the century of crisis. there was iron in his soul. but he was always someone who would step outside of the -- received wisdom about what to do and really asked himself the questions all over again the fact that on the palestinian issues, the first person i know who really took risks to say, this is important. it has to be solved, it's in israel's interest. on the invasion of iraq, you can't find a person that paid more in the acceptance of the conventional table than dr. brzezinski for his saying.

this doesn't make sense. i think of all the things i miss about him not being with us it's that unconventional counsel, this is a moment we need clear voices to say, wait a minute, look at this think of what you are doing. nobody needs that more than this president. i wish i could say listen to dr. brzezinski, i'm not sure he listens to anybody. >> you know, you are right. you also know it's interesting later in life, he had been a hawk, david, his entire life. he had been seen as a hawk his entire life. but when iraq came, that immediately changed. i think a lot of people that see him as this character of the far left because of what happened in 2003 when, of course, many democrats rejected him throughout his life. because he was so anti-soviet hawk. even there, if you talk to him about russia, he didn't want to

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understand. >> it was russia. i think there was a complete unraveling of the work that has been done in the past 30 years and it was deeply disturbing to say the least to him. i can't even bring the words as to how bad he thinks this situation is. >> everything he did, his entire life was shaped by his family having to flee poland. your mom's family having to free chechoslovakia because of hitler. and then his entire life was being a part of this post-war order and building a post-war order in the 1950s, understanding and teaching for the first time about comparative communism and trying to figure out how to move that order forward and that unravels very quickly this year. >> trying to develop a strategic vision that takes many administrations and a lot of

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. >> joining us now, pulitzer prize column yvette and msnbc columnist, you write in your column loyalty to trump isn't enough. you write this --

. >> or if you are the president's secretary you talk about how he is genetically superior. >> absolutely. >> oh my god! >> if you do that, he will let you take your bride and fly in a private jet to ft. knox where you can stand on a pile of gold and watch a total eclipse of the sun. it seems like a fair tradeoff. >> reporter: you know, it kind of is. we're in the dear leader phase

of american history, which we never thought we would be here. >> kid, a couple days ago talking about the purging, using stalinist and mao language and gene do these people not understand? it's what i have been telling people at the white house now for a quarter sevenically, your boss will be gone. he will leave washington. he will be a gazillionair you will be the one cleaning up the mess you did for him. don't they understand that? >> reporter: no, they don't understand that. and, you know, there is no leader but dear leader, there is no time but now and maybe they think he will be the arguable leader forever more. there just are these embarrassing moments, you know, i can't get the image out of my head of steve mnuchin going on

sunday shows and trying to defend president trump calling for nfl players to be fired. you know, clearly looking as if he were in physical pain, but something he had to do, it's something the president said, therefore, it must be right. and that sort of attitude on you know what can go wrong with that? well, everything. >> yeah, pretty much everything. what can get done, nick, if this is the tone set in the white house? it's not as if this is an effective leader that has commanded the respect of the nation? i mean, you walk into a room, you might read on your television screen, trump throws paper towels at puerto ricans, you have no idea what is going to happen next, you know it's going to be embarrassing. you know he's going to -- you know that with every hour that goes by, he's going to embarrass the presidency. he's going to debase the

presidency. he's going to bring it down a lever lower, and let these people suck up to him every day and they feel it's a part of their job to suck up to him, to placate him, to stop going on a trip to make sure you get the secretary of state to say he is smart, when the secretary of state thinks he is a moron. what is going on here? >> look, it's quite obvious at this point that there are members of the president's own cabinet who do not think he is very good at the job or fit for the job and the problem with that is that the president is the man in charge. what you have in this government right now is a president at the top and a bunch of cabinet secretaries and appointees who are kind of trying to do their own thing, sometimes against the grain of what the president wants, what makes it even more hazardous is that the president changes his mind of what he wants. if you want to purge people that want some of the agenda, the first part is, what itself the president's agenda, today or the next day?

>> heidi you want a message to capitol hill where you have republicans who have seen already, it does mean no good to be loyal to this guy because if i walk over a cliff and i support a health care bill that only 18% of americans like, well, in a month or two, he's going to say it's a mean spirited bill. >> well, that's exactly what happened. he came out, pushing them hard, get it done on obamacare then comes out and says it's mean, he lets them do the work. he makes a lot of promises like it will be better, repealing obamacare, it will be better, cheaper, cover everyone. you figure it out t. same thing is happening on taxes. he brought all these -- i talked to democrats in the dinner with him that said the plan he presented to them like obamacare repeal was totally different than came out on capitol hill t. same thing may happen as the president sees as time goes on, that this tax bill will implode to throw a rocket into congress and say you guys screwed up, it

wasn't me, it was your job to get this done. >> david ignacious, we hear word the iran deal the president may scrap the iran deal, even when hess secretary of defense testifies before congress that wouldn't be in the best interest of the united states. so how do any of these cabinet members operate when things move the way they move? as erratically as they move? how do foreign leaders plan moving forward? >> well, i think people overseas have increasingly more difficulty understanding what the real focus of u.s. policy is, they hear so many different versions of it. on iran, it's going to be a classic, but this policy is going to go in at least two directions at once as its rolled out next week the president, we think, is going to refuse to certify iranian compliance with the nuclear agreement, even

though his on advisers say technically, usually that means in fact, iran is complying with the nuclear, he's going to de-certify that, then apparently, they're not going to break the agreement, they're not going to urge congress to quickly pass sanctions. so they're in the deal, but not in the deal. they're dismissing it, de-certifying it, but not tearing it up. the idea is this will put a lot more pressure on iran to get them to make unilateral concessions. it's policy, its pieces don't fit well together. it's clear watching secretary mattis he's uncomfortable when senator angus king has to look at him in the eye and say is this national interest or not to continue with this deal, mattis said, yes, sir, it is. i don't know what the president thought about that. but we just have a situation here in which policy is fuzzy.

it's very hard to read, it's hard at home for people in his cabinet, hard for people overseas. it's another market of the trump presidency. there are so many different themes, you never know when they're going to change with the president's new tweet. >> and ultimately, you are showing a clip, donny, of rex tillerson. >> body language. >> body language is -- >> definitely says more. >> he does not want to be there. he does not like the man, he is doing it for the country. >> specific language. you know, they all use a term, i serve at the pleasure of the president he did not use the word pleasure. i serve at the appointment. joe, you have talked about this we all talked about it a lot, the rationale for these guys, the patriotism i got it. stay there. genes, i want to ask you a question, we talk trump is the man in charge the, we're ten months into this now, other than

appointing a supreme court justice his base is happy about, he's accomplished absolutely nothing with every legislative body at his side. at what point do the roosters come home and say other than creating chaos, you've done nothing, is it after years, 18 months, after bad jobs reports happen? when does the scorecard get read out loud? >> reporter: well, you know, if things continue going the way they're going now, i still think it's a while before his, that happens to his base. i mean, his, you look at his approval ratings, you know, they really went way down, they recovered a little bit. recovered is a relative term. they went from the low- to mid-30s to the maybe the high 30s. but in all numbers tell me that the base has not checked out and that will be with him and look

he's clever at finding these wedges to drive and ways to continue to get at least important parts of his ba is to continue identifying with him as opposed to identifying with people who say he's a moron. but, you know, i keep thinking, look at the people in that cabinet. look at somebody like general mattis, who is, you know, had to run a big military organization. look at rex tillerson, whose had to run a big company. you know, nobody, none of the accomplished people in that cabinet got there by just surrounding themselves with sycophants to tell what what they want to hear, to watch trump do that must be enormously difficult, on an hour to hour basis, smacking a forehead just

constantly. >> gene, thanks very much. we will be reading your new column entitled loyalty to trump isn't enough. ahead we will talk to ed gearand that protect the story that president trump is about to ignore his advisers on the iran nuclear deem and they get a do-over of sorts visiting puerto rico. vice president mike pence will visit the island today. >> the plan is on the schedule, he is going to be throwing cand corn. spam. >> are they going to the right areas, where people are dieing in hospitals because they can't leave the island? there are people dying. when you talk about 16 dead, you aren't talking about the full magnitude of this disaster that is happening in puerto rico. >> somebody reached out yesterday to mike pence saying, please don't just go to you know the areas that weren't really affected be i this storm. get outside of the capital. we'll see if he does that today.

donald trump basically went to the part of the entire island that was affected the least by this. they need to get out where there is no water, no electricity and people are dying in the hospitals. >> in the hospitals, a lot are off the grid. >> trump is a tv producer. you would think instinctively that would be for him the mon shot and that's -- >> what's that? >> to go to places where you can really demonstrate what's going on there and your empathy, just as a producer. obviously, it makes the problems bigger. as a television producer, which is what he is, you would think he would have that instinct. >> he said he told the people of puerto rico they were really lucky, there was not a catastrophe so he went to the one place on the island where it didn't look like a disaster. >> we have some people that are actually trying to help in just a moment.

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try this again. >> try it again, take two. >> let's not bring the president this time. >> he's going to visit the u.s. virgin islands in the wake of hurricanes irma and maria. >> do you think he'll go down and say you are so lucky? i have a t shirt shooter. here are some t-shirts? >> do you think he'll do that? >> the vice president visited around, florida yet where he praised relief efforts and promised the trump administration would do all it could to help puerto rico. >> as we speak our administration is continuing to work tirelessly to clear every road, reach every community and bring aid to every puerto rican in need, and we will not stop until the job is done. [ applause ] >> so at the orlando international airport pence toured a disaster relief center and met with puerto ricans who arrived earlier in the day.

one woman had this message for the president. >> don't go to san juan. go inside the country like where i live. i know the president went, but he went some -- another part. not in the center. i would like you to go to the center. >> okay. >> because that's where the disaster is. >> boy, i'm glad he was there. i'm glad he did that. he's showing empathy, and i hope he listens to that advice. it's so important. >> the vice president is only scheduled to stop in san juan. as we told you yesterday "the washington post" reported the areas president trump visited are better than other parts in the island. quote, the part of the island president trump saw during his visit was that of gated communities largely spared by the hurricane. the post says 10 miles south of where the president visited, he would have found homes off their foundations, twisted roofs and a sense of desperation among the

residents there. >> when you see mike pence come up. last week there was a picture at the president's cup. you saw them and has a visceral comfort. you have the same feeling when you see pence. i disagree with his policies, but there's a calm. and when trump comes on you react opposite. >> he understands what his job is and isn't. his job, mike pence, you can see, the job is not to take center stage. it's not to say things that will be shocking and make headlines. instead it's to listen to people and comfort them when they're in trouble. >> and there are actual organizations and even citizens that are doing something effective there beyond the dog and pony show. there's americare. and also average citizens.

i instagramed a story about an incredible woman who lives in l los angeles. she's a stay at home mom. she's been working to getting charter flights. she's working to get charter flights per day all last week flown to puerto rico bringing over supplies and then bringing back women who are about to have babies, people who are dying, people who are on respirators and now she's overwhelmed with pleas for help from puerto rico and they're looking for more money to get more charter flights because people are literally dieing in hospitals because they can't get the care they need. this american citizen, this woman, is working on her own to try to bring people over here from the hardest hit areas from hospitals that aren't functional anymore. from the places the president did not see. >> there are also people doing things.

that's an extraordinary story. >> it's an incredible story. one of many. >> you're -- i know you and some friends of yours are chartering jets down. >> a lot of people have really stepped up. it's just -- and you wish our president had that same level of empathy. >> the president has a big jet. >> i bet that hasn't come up until now, but that's a good point when you have so many private citizens pitching in, what is the president doing out of his own pocket i guess? i don't know if that's a fair criticism, but it's a fact he has his own jet. that would also be money out of his own pocket. >> we could take it from the tre trump foundation -- wait, that's not out of his pocket. >> it's good mike pence is going to listen to people in the airport, but the point of going into the inner areas of puerto rico and showing to the american people we the media are doing that. we're doing as best we can to

highlight the need. only 17 of 69 hospitals are even on the power grid. you have people who are sick in hospital beds, actually dying because they don't have power. >> say that again. >> only 17 -- as of our reporting in a story we had out yesterday, 17 of 69 hospitals, we documented, for instance, a woman coming in with an active heart attack, and was unable -- they're having a fight over payment in terms of getting an ambulance or someone even not an ambulance, just a private contractor to drive her to another hospital that did have power. >> that's incredible. coming up, more on the president's cryptic warning during a photo op with military leaders where he said it's, quote, the calm before the storm. we'll also william cohen what he thinks about the remark, plus two lawmakers part of a bipartisan group calling for a

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trade deficit. >> i want to thank you for getting this country moving again, and also working again. >> on behalf of the entire senior staff around you, mr. president, we thank you for the opportunity and blessing you've given us to serve your agenda and the american people. and we're continuing to work very hard every day to accomplish those goals. >> let me tell you what i've learned about this president whom i did not know before taking this office. he loves his country. he puts americans and america first. he's smart. he demands results wherever he goes and he holds those around him accountable for whether they've done the job he's asked them to do. >> but didn't he call him a moron? i'm confused. as i usually am. >> you know, all the world is a stage. and sometimes you're just on the

stage. sometimes you're holding a press conference at the state department. >> we should have seen it coming. new reporting that rex tillerson was pressured into making that statement praising president trump which reminded us a lot of the cabinet meeting in june we just showed you where everybody had to suck up for 30 seconds around the table. what is this? >> actually, general mattis didn't. nick, listen -- i'm cutting the secretary of state some slack in this last one here. because he's got general kelly, a guy that he's fought wars with -- not him, but guys that have fought wars together, general kelly and general mattis coming to him saying, you know what? we've done a lot for our country. you're doing a lot for your country right now. we need you to stay where you are. and if that means going out and sucking it up and making a statement that general mattis

and general kelly saying is in the best interest of america, i don't judge rex tillerson, and i know he's breathing a heavy sigh of relief this morning, because -- i'm joking about that, but it's a little different than the whole sucking up around the cabinet. >> i would just point out washington is full of suckups. and flattery is a washington art form. this is not a new thing, and i think it's also true the president is, in fact, entitled to the denference of his cabine in public. in private three of four of his cabinet secretaries have a suicide pact to save the country and not leaving the administration. that is unprecedented in washington. >> david ignatius, another thing, another mitigating factor for me with rex tillerson is rex tillerson would much rather be spending this weekend hunting with james baker or some of his other texas friends. he does not want to be in

washington d.c., a city he doesn't like, a city he doesn't understand, a city that hasn't taken to him because he really doesn't care whether they do or not. >> joe, i've said to you before, tillerson's basic view is take this job and shove it. that's what he'd love to say, and he's not saying that because he feels that he has important work to do. watching somebody go through this ritual humiliation he went through this week is painful. i think we all felt embarrassed for him. he's a person of substance, and he's basically kissing the ring, is how we'll put it. it's like in the god father. bend down and kiss the ring and then go about your business. if you didn't think that in the end tillerson was a steadying factor, you'd say leave right now, but it's -- it's extraordinary to watch.

donald trump is not the first president who was humiliated people. it's said linden johnson, used to demand that people come in and talk to him while he was sitting on the can to humiliate them and show them who was the president. and so we have incidents like this. they're never attractive. there's a kind of insecurity, i guess, that goes along with power at the very top where people have to inflict this on their subordinates. >> linden johnson, there's a guy. >> here's new reporting on nbc news on what happened behind the scenes after the exclusive report about the tensions between himself and secretary of state rex tillerson. four senior administration officials said that trump was furious when he learned on wednesday morning that tillerson had openly disparaged him in july calling him a moron.

i believe there was an extra word, and he spent the next two hours fuming inside the white house venting to chief of staff john kelly. six senior officials tell nbc news that kelly scrapped plans to travel with the president so he could try to contain his boss's fury and manage the fallout. three people say he called kelly and mattis to the white house where they discussed a plan. they down played kelly staying behind. this as seven senior officials said mike pence was also angry. pence and tillerson spoke on the phone before tillerson's statement on wednesday morning. the vice president was incensed upon learning from the report that tillerson's top spokesman said he once privately questioned the value of u.n. ambassador nikki haley. officials said that spokesman rc hammond fabricated an anecdote

that said whether haley is helpful or harmful to the administration. the spokesman tweeted on wednesday that he spoke out of line about ambassador haley. joining the conversation we have john meechum and ann gerin. >> i want to start with your lead story that the president is going to go against the advice and decertify with iran. >> what we expect the president to do next week, a few days ahead of a deadline he faces is to say that in his view the iran nuclear deal to your bold landmark deal negotiated under former president obama is not in the u.s. -- vital u.s. national security interest and he cannot

certify that to congress. remember, this deal was not submitted to congress as a treaty. instead, it was an executive action. and congress unhappy with that passed a separate law that is on top of the deal that requires the president every 90 days to say that iran is complying with it and the deal is in the national interest and should go forward. the administration doesn't like this deal. trump's made absolutely no secret of that. he's been heading in this direction for a long time. but they've hit a number of stumbling blocks including that the iaea and all of the european allies every other party to the deal says iran is complying with it. so what we expect him to do is use the second of those two grounds which is the vital national security interest and to say that he does not believe the deal is in the vital national security interest. that kicks it to congress under this law. which has about two months to

decide what to do next. >> so david, help me out here. i was very vocal while this deal was being negotiated on this show every day. i was against the deal. i think you called it a cosmic gamble or something like th desperate for a deal with iran. i thought the terms were terrible and we should have walked away from the table several times, but here we are in, i don't know what year it is, in october of 2017, and wasn't this deal front loaded in such a way that the iranians -- i didn't want the iranians to get billions of dollars. haven't the iranians already gotten the money? to give them the money and then walk away from the deal seems as stupid as getting out of the paris accords when the paris accords have nothing but

voluntary guidelines that countries follow. >> joe, i think you put it right. it's important to note -- the scoop, as i read it, the administration kind of wants to have it both ways. they want to decertify the deal, although iran is not technically in violation of it. but they don't want to tear up the deal which is what president trump as a candidate kept saying he would do. why? for the reasons that you cite. the caps on iranian centrifuges, on their stockpiles of enriched uranium, on their heavy water stockpiles. all the things that would lead them to be able to quickly resume their bomb making program. those are useful, important limits. nobody feels that more strongly than the israeli national security community. you want to do some interesting reporting? ask israelis, not the political

side but their military officials what they think. they answer the way general mattis does. this is in our security interest to keep these limits in place. so as i see this, trump going forward, not for the first time, is trying to have a little of both. he's trying to sound like the guy who says that's it, i'm not going to certify, but he's not tearing up the deal, and it's important to note that. talking to iranians, they say if that's the way it goes down, there are no new sanctions, we may continue to comply with the deal ourselves. >> nick, it sounds like another transgender ban tweet. the base loves it, but the impact at the end of the day may be insignificant. >> we'll see. there's a lot of opposition to this deal in congress from republicans. this in this sense he's with his party on this deal. i think the issue is this deal was never intended to turn iran into a good actor in the middle east. it was intended to stop or slow

them down from acquiring nukes. that was the main thing, and everybody decided that the most important thing was that iran not have nuclear weapons. >> and it's important to state right now that the obama administration while a lot of people, a lot of republicans, a lot of people like me opposes still to be fair, the obama administration said from the start, this is not to turn iran into a good actor. they will not be a good actor. we're only looking at the nuclear pranl. >> there are many parties to this deal including china and russia, the u.n., and where does this predictably end given that rahani has been in new york city saying no dice. we're not going to renegotiate. you can do all you want in congress here in the united states, but this is a closed case. we're not going to renegotiate. >> and we front loaded all the incentives for iran. so at this point, to front load the incentives and give them all

the money and then walk away from the deal later, again, makes no sense. because then they say we'll start developing nuclear weapons at the pace of north korea. >> last night president trump had dinner with top military commanders and their spouses. while posing for a photo the president said this to reporters. >> this represents? i don't know. maybe it's the calm before the storm. >> reporter: what's the storm? >> would be the calm before the storm. >>. >> reporter: what storm, mr. president? >> we have the world's great military people. i'll tell you that. thank you all for coming. >> reporter: what storm, mr. president? >> you'll find out. >> reporter: give us a hint on your iran decision. >> thank you, everybody. >> john, in 1900, teddy

roosevelt wrote a letter to the governor of new york and said america should speak softly and carry a big stick. donald trump turns teddy roosevelt's adage on its head. it's always speaking loudly and having very little follow up. >> yeah. there are one of two possibilities. and neither one is particularly good which is kind of a sentence that defines the era. one is either -- >> hold on. john's era defining sentence should breathe for a second. >> and give children hope around the world. >> okay. now, kids, you can keep eating your cereal and go to school. go ahead, john. >> online later we'll have coffee cups with that and maybe some cross stitched pillows. but -- don't you think? but either there's something about to happen and he just said it. or there's nothing about to happen and he's just creating chaos for the sake of dramatic

effect. >> it's 50/50, isn't it? >> again, neither one is particularly great. >> no. >> but that's where -- remember baghdad bob? remember that guy? >> uh-huh. >> yeah. this is kind of like baghdad bob in the white house. >> well, john, how many times has the president said, and we can put together a six-minute montage which alex dropped the ball on two montages are requested last week. you know all the promises? this is going to happen in two weeks. this is going to happen in two weeks. an ultimate showman, who promises things and understands that america's attention span is so short that they just won't remember two weeks from now what he promised and whatever came to fruition. >> it's one of the key trump tells. it's when either he's making it up or just really has nothing to

say. he pitches it to the next episode. he speaks in the vernacular of a showman. i don't think we should be surprised by that. mrs. obama said last year that the presidency doesn't change who you are. it magnifies who you are. i think if you look at a transcript of what he said in puerto rico, if you look at all of these comments, he's basically speaking in the same way he would speak if he's opening a hotel or a golf course or going to a beauty pageant. he has that verbal tick of saying have a good time. which he said in some of these disaster areas. but that's what he said all his adult life because he's always in some situation that's supposed to be entertaining. the pivot that never happened. the word that should be banned from the language, is that he was -- would he be able to move from being an entertainer to being a substantive figure, and that just has not happened. >> we don't know what the intent was, but i know from being on

the white house pool press list that they had dismissed the media for the evening, and then they gathered everybody back up and said no, actually come in and cover this. and then the president actually spoke directly to the press. he said that this -- these were comments directed at the media, not at the military. i'm just reporting exactly how this went down. >> yeah. david, obviously time is a flat circle in the trump administration. it never goes anywhere. they're always two weeks away from announcing something. there's a great feature about how often the president says in a few days we'll have this and it never happens. >> do you get a sense that was premed da premeditated or i have to say something now? >> obviously, it was premeditated. >> i wasn't there. i'm just going based off of what i read. >> why can't you call them back, from have a great photo op.

>> you're on "morning joe." it's a leap of faith. if the press pool was sent home and then called back, the president obviously had something he wanted to tell people. >> but what premeditated that. what happened in that half hour either his brain or somebody whispered in his ear that motivated that out of left field molotov cocktail? >> it sounded like a warning, yet another warning to north korea from a president whose military leaders aren't telling him that he has a lot of good options in north korea. actually, most of those people around donald trump last night, i would be shocked if any of them suggested he take military action against north korea, because that could mean half a million south koreans killed, in a day's time. >> i think you put your finger on it. this is a president who believes that power and partisan is

messaging. he's right about that. that's something that unfortunately barack obama didn't understand and power slipped away from him in part because he never could convey his willingness to use power. the united states has very few real military options in dealing with north korea. everyone understands that. steve bannon said it directly before he left. but this president by statements like this last night, you know, sort of whoa, this may be the calm before the storm, gets everybody talking about it. what is he going to do? is military action on the way? he creates military options where practically speaking most people would think they don't exist. is that useful for the united states? in some ways it probably is. did president think i have all my military commanders coming here tonight for dinner, let's use this? clearly he did from what heidi says. let's have our press moment, but again, think about a country

that has relatively few good options but the president has everybody worried we have powerful options, and sometimes there's a method in the madness. it is good for people to think the united states has power that it might use. >> so anne, given the president's tweets and statements of the recent past few weeks, what do you make of this strange comment? >> well, i think he -- it was both premeditated and off the cuff if that's possible. again, the day was done, and the press was going home, and they were suddenly summoned in there. clearly trump had something in mind that he wanted to convey, and he wanted to do it in as dramatic a fashion as possible. we've seen him do this multiple

times before. my guess is that he's intending to hint on north korea, and that is a message. it's a message to the media. it's certainly a message to north korea itself to a degree, it's a message to the military leaders arrayed behind him. he likes being in charge. he really likes having a lot of very important people in uniform working for him. he likes having the former chairman of exxon mobile working for him. he likes having the former chief of impoegoldman sachs working f him. he's enjoying being the person in charge and making things happen or the person threatening to make things happen. >> thank you. >> coming up amy klobuchar is

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were a festival in chicago in august adding he went as far as booking a room in a chicago hotel but didn't show up. he also did research on hotels around boston's fenway park. and other locations in boston. they say there is no indication paddock ever traveled to boston or chicago. meanwhile his girlfriend marilou danley says she remembers him exhibiting symptoms such as lying in bed and moaning. that's according to fbi officials who have been briefed. they say she told him that paddock would, quote, lie in bed moaning and screaming, oh, my god, adding she discussed the possibility he was struggling with mental health issues. joining us now from the white house, nbc news national correspondent peter alexander. peter, what can you tell us about the push to do something on bump stocks which seems to be building up steam on capitol hill? >> i think that's right. there may be a narrow opening

for new regulations. we heard from the white house sarah huckabee sanders saying they're open to the conversations about the bump stocks. they allow the semi automatic weapons to fire faster like automatic ones. on capitol hill that momentum that's building is building even among republicans. leaders like paul ryan and in the house, john cornyn saying it's worth serious consideration. to be fair, they've all stopped short of calling for action. that's something notable as we watch it. congressman moulton and car bellow call it a perfectly bipartisan effort to introduce legislation to ban the manufacturer sale and use of bump stocks. what's most striking here really is this crack in the window opened by the nra. not for new legislation but for stricter rules calling for a review by the atf that could help republicans avoid a politically risky gun control debate that could get wider. the pressure point here is that this president credits his

unwavering support as much as anything else, his support for the second amendment, but really solidifying his success throughout the last campaign. so will he back away from that? can he be viewed as backing away? would his base erupt. some insist the base would. what's also striking is our team spoke to tom rooney about bump stocks. he said his constituents believe in trump and believe if he thinks they should be illegal that they should be. again, this i think is a small opening. the last thing republicans want to do is vote on this or let this become a moment that gives sort of the opportunity for a broader gun control debate that's opening up new proposals backed by democrats. >> nbc's peter alexander, thank you. and congressman car bellow will be joining us next on "morning joe." >> the republicans are contemplating outlawing something that we know turns

semi automatic weapons into automatic weapons illegal. this would be a bold move. >> donny, can we be skeptical? if you look at the nra statement, they created a crack in the window, as pete said here for this minor, what i would call a minor consolation, they may walk in the back door with a much bigger take away. which is they said at the bottom of the statement, that this massacre explains why everyone now needs to be carrying guns and they want conceal to carry reciprocity. they have an ask. this is a minor chip in consolation, and they have a bigger ask. >> let's ask someone about that. a member of the judiciary committee, amy klobuchar of minnesota is with us. good to have you on the show. obviously there is a push and even some support by the nra, but you heard heidi. this could have some sort of caveat that doesn't really ultimately get to where we want to go. what do you think? >> well, this is one of the

first times we've heard republicans even open to talking about any kind of restrictions like this. and i think it's very important to have this discussion, and to pass something. action is necessary here. the fact that these bump stocks are legal when. they do something illegal, they convert a semi automatic into an automatic or machine gun, and that's what they do. and they should be banned. the guy had a dozen of them in a hotel room, and by the way, none of those innocent people, over 500 injured. 59 killed, could have protected themselves by shooting up to a 32nd floor hotel room. there are a number of us, including some republicans who have supported sensible background checks and banning things like bump stocks. i'm hopeful we'll be able to take action. there's an opening here, and it's time to do something sensible. the narrow is to get at what

happened. you also could look at revisiting the background check issue which is a gun show loophole. >> i'm wondering if you think it is likely that congress will actually look at a narrowly tailored gun control bill on the bump stock when the nra is talking really about a bigger bill that would give them the huge win and maybe toss a goody on the bump stocks to the gun control people? >> i think at this point when you have 59 people dead with funerals this week, the thought that people are looking for a political win when the vast majority of people in this country want some sensible background checks, i think don't think that's how they should be looking at it. i think they should be looking at how can we get support to take action so this doesn't happen again that someone can be in a hotel room shooting down at a concert and killing innocent people. >> senator, you plan to introduce legislation that would force tech companies to disclose

details on who buys political ads. a measure only tv providers currently face, but there's so many different outlets now where people get the ads. how would it work? >> well, first of all, let's look at what's happened here. we have multiple intelligence agencies. u.s. intelligence agencies saying that russia tried to interfere in the election. we now know that they purchased 3,000 facebook ads and probably a lot more in other online platforms for $100,000 in rubles. and under american law, there is no way they have to register the ads or there's no proof that they existed. so all that senator warner and i are proposing is to even the playing field and make sure that when you place an ad on tv, including on msnbc, when you place an ad, you have to register it, when are you running it, how much does it cost? when 1.4 billion was spent on online ads in the last election,

it's time to make sure that our laws are catching up to the technology that's been used to influence our electorate. our constitution was created so that we were self-governing. we don't want to be influenced by foreign entities. we want to freedom to make our own decisions. >> i'm curious about the gop support? >> we don't know yet. that's one of the reasons we are waiting a week here to introduce it to, again, go back to some of them and talk to them. none of them want foreign government influence. as marco rubio once said, one election it was one candidate, one party. next time it will be the other. one other thing to make clear, this isn't about you wanting to post a cat video. this is not about free internet. this is about paid political advertising. >> john? >> senator, about the opposition and the culture of the senate.

this week senator corker announced he was leaving a fairly moderate republican in the south. the governor of tennessee said he is not going to run. i'm wondering, do you feel that republicans, you can deal with are becoming an ever more vanishing breed? is there -- or do you have some hope about reaching across the aisle? >> i continue to have hope for reaching across the aisle. and that's because i work with people every day. people like senator cornyn. we just passed a bill yesterday. we have worked together, and continue to do that. and i can go through a whole bevy of names including senator lindsey graham. for me, i look for the common ground where i can find it. am i concerned about what happened in the alabama election and who won? yes. the more you add people who see their job as just standing on their own, throwing punches instead of trying to go in the middle for the people of

america, then you have trouble. but for the most part, i still find people in the senate that i can work with across the aisle and certainly two of the issues that we just discussed, doing something common sense on guns with the bump stocks and doing something about these online ads that are rampant. those would be two good examples where i continue to be hopeful we'll be able to do something. >> i'd like to feel hopeful as far as the hands across the aisle, but when i look at judge moore, that seems to be more now what's coming as the rule versus the exception. everything we see and understand and feel, tell me why i should be hopeful and not fearful that that's going to become the norm. >> right. well two reasons. one is that when we are again confronted with major issues like the debt ceiling and the budget in the last year, people have been able to come across the aisle. the second reason is that the elections are going to be coming up in 2018. i still have faith in the

american people. it was abraham lincoln that said public sentiment is everything. while they are clearly having major issues in the republican party and divides, i believe that the american people are going to say what kind of world do i want? and that we are going to gain in the elections. that is up to the american people. it's up to my party to be able to make the case and reach out to people that certainly didn't support us in rural areas in the last election. but it has happened before. i have faith in the american people through the election process. i always have. as long as it's a fair process, and russia isn't influencing it, and then the second thing is that there are still good people that want to work across the aisle. >> all right. senator amy klobuchar, thank you for being on the show this morning. >> john, thank you as well. >> coming up, the iran nuclear deal. the rex tillerson mess, and the president's head scratching calm before the storm warning. we have a lot to discuss with

former defense secretary william cohen who joins us next on "morning joe."

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by banning the transpacific partnership, the paris agreement, questioning americans' sacred commitment to nato. threatening to pull out of the iran deal, this administration is calling into question what the word of the united states is worth. my dad used an expression, you're a man of your word. without your word, you're not a man. simple proposition that applies to nations as well. >> that was former vice president joe biden and a man that many people believe will be a future presidential contender in 2020. at csis last night in washington d.c. receiving the second annual brzezinski award named in honor of your father. bob gates getting it last year. and last night former secretary of defense william cohen was there.

mr. secretary, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for coming last night. >> and mika, joe biden paid a great tribute to your dad. >> he did. thank you. >> let's begin. we have a lot of different directions we could go. let's start with the decerti decertifying of the iran deal. president trump is going against, it seems, the recommendations of his secretary of defense general mattis, and decertify the iran deal. what is your take on that? what are the consequences of that? >> joe, i share the sentiments you expressed earlier, mainly it was not a good deal to have given the iranians the money up front and then hope they were going to comply. having said that, they have been complying according to all reports. this strikes me as a another example of the president passing the buck. in other words, he's done this in the past where he said he

favors torture. he favors waterboarding. but he'll let the military decide what to do. in this particular case, he's saying i don't like this deal. i never have, but let congress decide whether they want to go forward with more or less sanctions. he's able to put the responsibility or shift the responsibility for major decisions to someone else. and so i think it's a pattern that i've seen him exercise before. i think we have to come to expect he'll do it again in other particular situations. >> he did it with the dreamers. >> mr. secretary on north korea, there are some news reports suggesting that the north koreans are so perplexed by donald trump's statements and his intentions that they've actually taken to contacting former u.s. officials. i'm wondering if you know anything about that. and if true, how unusual or concerning that would be given where we are right now. >> well, you can look at it both

ways that the president has so shaken kim jong-un and his military establishment that they're looking for people who might try to divine what the president really has in mind. so i'm not sure that's an altogether bad thing as long as they're reaching out to touch base with people they feel light have incite. i suspect they're also talking to the chinese. that things us to rex tillerson. i don't understand how a secretary of state can go to another country preparing for the presidential visit which is upcoming this or next month, and not have a sheet of talking points. saying these are the issues we need to discuss with the chinese leaders. i want you to explain to them clearly, we want more sanctions. we want to toughen it and squeeze them in order to bring about a diplomatic or peaceful solution. so i would assume that those were the talking points that rex tillerson, secretary rex tillerson had. and then the president

undercutting him in the process, you're wasting your time? well, i don't think we're wasting our time talking to the chinese. the only other alternative is to try to either provoke the north koreans into taking some kind of action to which we can respond or take action ourselves, and that would lead to tens if not hundreds of thousands of deaths. so i don't understand what is taking place inside the administration. i can only observe from the outside, and it's confusing to me, certainly, i'm sure it's confusing to the chinese and to the north koreans. again, that may work to our advantage by saying the north koreans don't know what they're going to do so they might be more inclined to come to the table. i don't think so. >> secretary, i'm curious about a theory going around in washington that the president is deliberately embracing a madman theory of foreign policy that if he keeps foreign opponents and even allies off balance, if he

makes blunt statements and kind of uses brusk language that it will somehow aid his foreign policy by keeping opponents off balance. if you ever seen this work well in your time in foreign service in american service? >> i've never seen it work well with someone who has had no prior experience in dealing with government issues. when ronald reagan came in to the oval office, there were questions about was he too hard lined and so anti-communist and so anti-soviet union that we were on the verge of going to war? i remember bob dole once said having ronald reagan in the oval office is like having an mx missile in the office. so to the extent that they -- that the president had a reputation for being hard line, that worked to his advantage. he could make a deal with gorbachev. that may be the strategy on the

part of the president, but he doesn't really have the kind of substantive background and all the understanding of the implications of what he says and how that can be read. so i feel less confident under those circumstances. if you keep poking and sticking a bear and trying to move that bear, then it might come back and try to bite you. so we'll have to wait and see. but, again, it gets back to what you were talking about before. the president has sent another rabbit out on the white house lawn. and asked the press to go chase it. what did he mean by implying that you'll see, wait until next week? fire and brimstone may be coming back again. i think we have become accustomed to being addicted to what will he say next? and that may entertain us. i don't think it reassures us, and i don't think that it's a wise policy if it is a policy to pursue. >> mr. secretary, as a former cabinet member, as you kind of

watch the dance of the current cabinet that there's this constant obligation of them to fawn and to compliment and worship their boss, as a former cabinet member, as you watch that, how does it make you feel? >> it's embarrassing to watch. i look at that meeting and cabinet meeting where every official went around the circle praising the president as if he were a cult figure. to his credit, i saw secretary mattis indicate he was on nowhered to be able to present the men and women serving in our military. i thought that was the appropriate tone to take. this worship of the office or seeking to reinforce a gratification experience by the president, i think is certainly not consistent with what i have known and come to expect from a president. i want the president to act presidential.

can you imagine ronald reagan throwing paper towels into a crowd of people who had been going without food? can you imagine president kennedy doing the kennedy doing the same or president bush or president clinton. if barack obama had thrown those towels out into the audience like that there would have been a reaction in this country which would have been overwhelmingly negative and critical. we see this taking place on a day-by-day basis. there's not a merasuring up to the dignity of this office. i want the president to conduct himself in a way that done draw down or demean the significance or the great privilege of occupying that office. >> can you imagine if barack obama had done that? >> amazing. >> if he had done it with the can soup articles.

>> nfl issue. something i feel very strongly about. the president has taken it upon himself to criticize a black athlete, colin kaepernick for refusing to stand during the playing of the anthem. that strikes me i would never ever consider or recommend to anybody else. but he's protesting the killing of unarmed black people and he's seeing that the only way he can get the world's attention. certainly america's attention. the president criticizes him for being unpatriotic at the same time we have people marching in charlottesville, carrying nazi flags, wearing nazi arm bands and shouting blood and soils and jews will not replace us and saying those are good people. i don't understand how you can criticize a black athlete who is protesting from the depths of his heart to say stop killing us, at the same time you allow people or praise people carrying a nazi flag, nazi slogaslogans,d

with ak rifles and saying they are good people. >> thank you so much for you comments. >> thank you. secretary william cohen, thank you. that says it all. it kind of sums it up. something is really wrong. still ahead this morning what effects will today's jobs report have on wall street's run of record highs? we'll go live to the new york stock exchange for the numbers and reaction. "morning joe" is coming right back. kevin, meet your father.

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reporting on that story ahead. >> other reports out this morning that he may be looking at mike pompeo to replace rex tillerson. >> he'll angry. doesn't like being called a moron. >> we'll go live to the white house. the president warned that this is the calm before the storm. "morning joe" is coming right back. h) ( ♪ ) dad: molly! trash! ( ♪ ) whoo! ( ♪ ) mom: hey, molly? it's time to go! (bell ringing) class, let's turn to page 136, recessive traits skip generations.

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public remarks yesterday? >> as is the secretary of state said this is a petty ridiculous accusation and frankly i think it's beneath the secretary of state to weigh in on every rumor out there. his spokesperson, however, did come out and clarify that the secretary of state had never used those words. >> has the president undercut the secretary of state? >> the premise of that question is absolutely ridiculous. the president can't undercut his own cabinet. the president is the leader of the cabinet. he sets the tone. he sets the agenda. and i think that question makes no sense because of that. >> white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders denying any simmering tensions inside the administration but this morning new reporting from nbc news that president trump was furious with his secretary of state and chief of staff john kelly is scrambling to manage the fallout. good morning and welcome back to "morning joe" on this friday, october 6th. it's 8:00 a.m. on the east

coast. donnie deutsche is with us as well as heidi. nicholas for the "new york times". and david ignatius. >> they are denying there was any problem between rex tillerson and donald trump, but as steve schmidt tweeted out if you have to deny you called the president a moron then it's pretty good you called the president a moron. i'm not going deny. when you're forced to deny that you called the president a moron in a news conference there's 100% chance you called him a moron. if in that press conference you don't call, you don't deny

calling the president a moron. >> i want to ask you. you spent a few years in politics. when somebody says i'll not dignify a statement or it's beneath me, that's also 100% also. there's not much of a question there. i would love to see -- there's a two hour gap from 6:00 in the morning time that the nbc story broke and 8:00 a.m. until trump hit the road where he was in the white house pacing andcly was trying to calm him down. and the problem trump has he has kind of stuck with tillerson. supposedly a suicide fact they mnuchkin and mattis if one goes they all go. so they are struck with each other for a while. tillerson is a ceo his entire life and very hard for a ceo to subordinate to another ceo. particularly when one is a pedigree in a ceo one is a fortune 20 ceo and the other never taken seriously in the

world of ceos. that's another quagmire. >> yesterday i heard about four or five times even on our own show they are both saying they are powerful ceos and they don't get along. rex tillerson, every time he hears that he has to make his skin crawl. donald trump ran a mom and pop operation without a mom. and rex tillerson ran the largest corporation in the world. >> different species. >> it took a lot more maneuvering, more compromise. he had a board to deal with. donald trump, you know, he had to deal with his okay dies. >> not that they can't get along. ceos get along all the time. senior executives, boards, these relationships. but the key thing here is that donald trump, why does donald trump have this, almost fetish with ceos, generals, these very powerful men. he's attracted to that power. once they are within his or by and within i had control, you see some very cutting and very

unusual behavior behind-the-scenes and also in public with these tweets to kind of undercut them, emasculate them. he almost cut tillerson on go down the ledger, north korea or iran, all the reporting that we have is that he undercuts him and he resents him when tillerson prevails such as in the instance of the increase in troops in afghanistan, the reporting is that trump resented that. >> we'll begin this morning with something the president said last night at the white house, that still has some wondering exactly what he meant. president trump had dinner with top military commander and their spouses at the white house. and while pose forge a photo in the state dining room the president volunteered these ominous comments to reporters. >>

>> david ignatius what do you make of those remarks and what do you think he meant? >> well their saber rattling. they are intended to disrupt, to create anxiety about what trump might do. i honestly can't tell you -- >> is that anxiety inside the pentagon or outside the pentagon? >> i think it's anxiety -- it's intended to be anxiety outside the pentagon, among our adversary, particularly, i'm sure in north korea. also coming over the next week

are significant new announcements about iran. and tougher steps the u.s. will take toward iran and iran's proxies around the middle east. that is a storm that's being cranked up in the back room. but when you gather your military leaders and make remarks like that, that's a signal. it's very deliberate. it's intended to put our adversaries on notice that we're prefieshd tough. president trump tries to send that message, you know, every other day. it's part of his strategy. it makes people nervous. that's i think what he wants to do. >> nick, as i was alluding to before, it makes people nervous inside the pentagon as much as anywhere. this is -- they are not to be used in photo ops. we don't do military parades although that fact breaks the president's heart every day. so this is his version of a sort

of a dining experience complete with parade of military officials. >> look. this is policy as game show. the president likes to create some anticipation for his cliff hangers. ate little different to do it when military action is at stake. look, if he's creating some worry for our enemies he's creating some worry for our allies and frankly for people like me. i prefer to have a little shortee on helps designates than have it dangled at a press conference like this. >> the identity of trump if there's not some chaos created he's not alive. you almost kind of see it as you watch it on his face. no diagnosis on the show. we agree with that. i won't bring my ph.d. in diagnosing whacky people. but there's a tourette's of a need to when things are like this to just ruffle the papers.

what was that? >> you can make an argument for that if there was an underlying strategy. if, for example, we were trying to head fake kim jong-un to a great your purpose we had a strategy other than ending in a hot war. when you have scenes like this days after you have the president tweeting out rex, forget about it. don't waste your time on diplomacy. where are we headed. >> nothing in the last three, four, five, six days that would merit that. maybe the fire and brim stone argument. where did that come from >> david ignatius i know you don't know where it came from. where are we it is right now with north korea? it's been quieted by volatile weather and of course the tragedy in las vegas, but this nuclear standoff continues. where do those words fit in the context of the larger north korean developments? >> obviously, we don't know the

details, but what we do know is that effort to engage north korea diplomatically which was made publicly and privately by the secretary of state has not been successful. the north koreans have not sent back the message that would allow talks to go forward. it's my sense that both tillerson and, indeed, the white house, trurmp himself would lik that to happen. it hasn't happened. one message the president was sending in warning off tillerson this diplomatic meal is getting cold on the table and we're about to walk away. i think that's what they wanted north korea to hear. people forget that if we were to take significant military action, move up the ladder in dealing with north korea, it would take about two months to get all logistical supplies in place to be able to work with and protect our allies. so maybe one of the issues that's ahead is if we're moving

into a period of greater confrontation are the things that have to begin. that's one thing. as i said before, i do know, the meeting with senior national security council officials yesterday they are preparing a series of announcements about harsher measurements to deal with iran and its proxies. that's ahead. >> now to this story in this morning's "wall street journal," stocks continue their steady march higher, notching milestones not seen in more than 20 years and many investors see few obstacles to the seemingly endless run. that highway comes as a poll finds americans are increasingly optimistic about the nation's economy for the first time during trump's presidency a majority of americans 53% say that the economy is in recovery. but despite this, 64% also say the country is on the wrong track. up 21 points since the beginning

of the year. and the highest for trump yet. also in the polls 57% said they want the next congress to stand up to president trump. that includes one in five republicans, 33% said they want him to cooperate. >> you don't think there's always this belief that people vote their pocketbook and pocketbook only. that certainly happens when the economy is doing poorly. right now you're actually seeing the stock markets continue to rise. that's certainly positive for a lot of americans and business owners but you're seeing the right track/wrong track going in the wrong direction. i remember 1994 bill clinton had a pretty strong economy. and yet his democratic congress got wiped out in the '94 mid-terms. strong economy does not always mean that the president in power does well politically in mid-term elections. but i think most important part of those polls it explains why business owners, why a lot of

republicans, why people still are putting up with donald trump, because they are saying hey the economy is better now than ever before. i'll keep my head down. turn off the tv and make money. >> you have to give the president credit for one thing. he has this magical ability to make people optimistic about the economy on their optimism and sense of where it's going beyond where it actually is. so we see a divergence between people more and more thinking about the economy and where jobs are. i think he'll ultimately graded about how things are for people and to the extent that things are getting better it's going to insulate him from his own problems that he creates and the division that he creates to some extent. >> i know a lot of them, even in the zip code we live in here, affluent people who begrudgingly voted for donald trump because they said screw it i'll make more money he won't screw with

my taxes. i can live with him. now a year into this presidency a big chunk of those people are willing to sacrifice a buck or two from their pocketbooks because of what? >> have you met those people? the by people i talk to full steam ahead. the market is doing great. i'm making more money than ever before. we knew avenues little whacky when we voted for him but this is -- >> swing democrats. screw it. i'm not voting for hillary. yes republicans. but the swing democrats that moved over, i see some of them they are wavering because there's a human -- >> i think there's something to that. i was in a bowling ally in macomb county. i met one of those guys. jolly fellow. voted for barack obama twice and then voted for trump. i took his number.

we talked, you know, he felt that this congress was obstructing the president. but on some of these cultural issues these swing voters were never comfortable with the president. his tweets, his comments about women, these things always made them uncomfortable and i called him after the nfl stuff and he was angry. and i think some of these swing people who, yes, they want him because he's a businessman, because he'll do thing for the economy are turned off by what he may be doing to tensions in this country, cultural tensions. >> he's just doing it to get elected. >> people in this country who voted for him despite thinking he not fit for the presidency. that's like the central mystery of american politics now. it makes me wonder. >> one fit and temperament. clearly they said he didn't have the temperament. didn't mean automatically he was unfit. >> again donald trump did not

run -- it wasn't a referendum on donald trump. this election was a referendum on somebody who had been in government 30 or 40 years. if you look at the honest and trustworthy numbers of donald trump they were horrific. the only person in american politics that had worse honest and trustworthy numbers, was hillary clinton. you could talk about approval ratings. his approval ratings were horrific. so were hillary clinton's. we're sort of in a fog, still trying to figure out exactly why donald trump won. and it's hard to answer that question because the person he ran against had 40 years of political scar tissue on her. when people went to the voting booth. >> joe, one of the great insights of the super economist john maynard cannes is economic life is driven by what he called animal spirits. couldn't come up with a better

phrase than animal spirits. and sometimes people have them. they just want to buy. they want to invest. they think things will be better if they are business owners and sometimes they don't. for whatever reason we can debate it for the next hour. donald trump has aroused those animal spirits in people who were buying in our security markets and maybe out in the real economy and that is the engine of economic growth. you can be worried about the future. you don't like his policies. you don't understand this or that but that funny thing, that kind of raw desire to vest after years of not doing so, maybe that's what we're seeing. >> still ahead vice president joe biden honored with a special award named after my father and what biden said about vladimir putin that drew a gasp from the crowd.

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the impact map. wind damage to trees and roots looks likely wherever the center makes landfall. hurricane watch goes from morgan city to alabama/mississippi border. also some storm surge. storm surge even with a category 1 in this location of the country because of the shallow shelf leading up to landfall, that could be four to eight feet in mississippi, five to eight feet pushed back to lake pontchartrain. not like a katrina type of impact where it was double these numbers but still expect some problems for some of those barrier islands especially in the northern gulf. we'll watch for that during the morning. today is a big day for nate. we'll find out how stroingt will be by the end of the day. we want to avoid rapid intent i intensifiation. will determine its power. in its economy,

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last night the center for strategic international studies hosted the brzezinski annual prize and lecture which honors the legacy of my dad by recognizing and promoting the importance of geostrategic thinking with a transcending moral purpose. think about needing that more than ever. this year's recipient was joe biden, the former vice president spoke about how the world today very much needs my father's voice and message. >> i'm deeply honored to receive this recognition and i only wish like all of you that he were still here. not just to have the pleasure of his company this evening but because the foreign policy batles we're fighting today were ones of which he was the most passionate and he passed it on

to his sons. we need his voice and his vision today as much as we ever did and it's not hyperbole to say it's surely missed. standing outside of the washington foreign policy consensus, my opinion is because he possessed a gift, few of us, few leaders, few politicians shared. a sense of a grand strategy. yes understood american leadership rested on more than overwhelming military superiority. he saw our values, our respect for human rights, our involvement with international institutions for what they are. a source of incredible strength for our country. >> biden also revealed what he told russian president vladimir putin. >> i got criticized when i was last with putin and we were in

his office alone. and he wanted to show me his magnificent office and it was. i held my arms up. it's amazing what capitalism will do. [ laughter ] and as i turned we were just about this far apart looking at each other. i said and i wasn't being a wise guy. i said, mr. president, i'm looking into your eyes. and you have no soul. he looked back at me and he said we under one another. it's important to understand where the other person is coming from. >> wow. >> well, so david ignatius we know who he is channelling now. what a come back. you have no soul. so we under each other. >> that's spooky. >> but i will tell you, i'm sure

you are and a lot of other people are far more comfortable with that sort of exchange than threatening exchanges or presidents putting their arms around a leader saying i've looked into their eyes and i've seen their soul. we can deal with a lot more of that hard realism especially between america and russia right now than we have. >> thinking about mika's dad, dr. brzezinski. he was a tough man. he had lived through a century of crisis. there was iron in his soul. but he was always someone who would step outside of the perceived wisdom about what to do and ask himself the questions all over again, on the palestinian issue, first person to say it has to be resolved. on the invasion on iraq you can't find a person who paid more in terms of his acceptance

of the conventional table than dr. brzezinski for his saying this doesn't make sense. but i think of all the things that i miss about him not being with us is that unconventional counsel. this moment when we need to have clear voices saying wait a minute, think about what you're doing, look at this. nobody needs it more than this president. i wish he could say he listened to dr. brzezinski. i'm not sure he listens to everybody. >> we'll go live to new york stock exchange for reaction to the september jobs report. reverend al sharpton and republican congressman carlos karabello on the plan to ban the sale of bump stocks. we'll be right back.

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got breaking news with release of the monthly jobs report. let's go new york stock exchange and sara eisen. we have a bomb shell? >> reporter: we saw decline in jobs during the month in september, down 33,000.

however, don't read too much into that because these numbers were likely heavily distorted by the double hurricanes, heart attack harvey and hurricane irma. that was the first decline in job creation we've seen since back in 2010. there are some snipets of good news in this report. wages rose half a percent. we haven't seen a number like that in a long time. that's encouraging. it means we saw 2.9% wage increase from september this year -- from september of last year. wages better. now, i will say that could also be a little bit distorted by the hurricane. for instance more overtime workers in terms of health care aid and other types of jobs in terms of overtime could inflate the wage picture. but it is seen as a good sign

because we've been waiting for wages to increase. we have to wait to see october's numbers if those gains continue. the other big highlight, unemployment rate dropping to 4.2%. latinos the lowest level since december of 2000. lower unemployment rate is a good sign. how do you take these numbers? it's messy because of the hurricane. overall the trend in jobs and in overall economy has been very, very strong. we've seen an nch of 176,000 jobs per month. this is clearingly an anomaly. we've seen record high after record high in the stock market, six days in a row. we haven't seen a streak like that since 1997. so we're clearly in the middle of a bull market. it's being fueled by better economic data. earlier this week we got strong numbers on manufacturing and services. and economic optimism and confidence is very high. you guys were talking earlier about that "usa today" university poll where half of

americans think we're in an economic recovery. so these numbers will be taken on wall street with a grain of salt just because of the hurricane impact. but overall the strength, the underlying trend is pretty solid. >> all right. sara eisen thank you very much. i think, again, you look at the stock market, you look at wages, unemployment rate down to 4.2%. a lot of people obviously in the white house this morning are going to be trumpeting these numbers as proof that trump miracle is working or whatever they are going to call it despite the fact, of course, the economy of moving this direction long before donald trump was elected president. >> look, the president is good at stoking optimism on jobs and growth. that's a good thing. but the truth is, you know, if as you pointed out the stock market was growing at basically the same rate it was growing beforehand. so it will keep reaching new

highs before he was elected. job growth along the same pace. one employment in the same pace. so he inherited a great economy. if he can keep it going and make it bigger it will be good for the country and good for him politically. >> i would send people to howard marks who writes a brilliant newsletter. he said there's a lot of parallels to pre-2008. be cautious. we could be walking in to a storm. >> long term issue of what's happening with wage disparity and wage stagnation remains an issue and may help explain why some of those numbers on wrong track as well are so high. i don't see -- i understand that's what the polling else us about optimism, about the overall economy. optimism about your own personal situation is a different number and when i go back, for example, to my native michigan i don't see that when i go out to macomb county.

i see a lot of families still struggling and it has a lot to do just with wages as well. >> back now to president trump's comments from last night that we've been talking about all this morning. here they are one more time. all right. let's bring in somebody who was in the room when natural happened. kristen welker. how did this come about and do white house officials know exactly what the president was talking about? >> reporter: well, joe and mika

that's what makes this so striking. the white house said the president was done with all of his public events yesterday. we were all packing up and going home, quite frankly and then all of a sudden we were rushed into this room to capture these first moments of his dinner with these top military officials and that's when he made that striking comment. the calm before the storm. we pressed him over and over again on what specifically he meant. now the white house hasn't said what he meant. doesn't seem as though officials here are clued in. we're hoping to learn more when sarah huckabee sanders has a briefing later on this afternoon. look we do know the president is obviously facing a number of foreign policy tests from north korea to iran. next week as you have been talk about a key deadline. we expect him to and he seems to be leaning towards decertifying the iran nuclear deal kicking it

to congress for a review deal. something he's been signalling. was he referencing any of those two issues? it's not clear. based on conversations, those with officials here and in other parts of the government leading up to last night doesn't seem as though there's any imminent military action, but, again, this is obviously something we'll drill down on. i would make one more point. this is obviously a president who likes to leave people and reporters in suspense. >> kristen welker, thank you. up next more clues but even more questions as investigators search for a motive in the las vegas shooting massacre. officials say the killer left behind a note in his hotel room. "morning joe" is coming right back.

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new details and new questions about the gunman in sunday's las vegas shooting massacre. multiple law enforcement officials tell nbc news that

stephen paddock researched other possible attack locations in boston and chicago. they say paddock's potential targets included the lollapalooza festival in chicago he would in early august. he booked a room in a chicago hotel but did not show up. officials also say that paddock did research on hotels around boston's fenway park and other locations in that city. but they say there's no indication he ever traveled to boston or chicago. we have also learned that a note was found in paddock's room in the mandalay bay hotel room. it was not a suicide note or manifesto but would not elaborate as to what it said. joining us now republican congressman carlos curbelo that is working on ledge jays that would ban bump stock device.

here on set the host of msnbc "politicsnation" and president of the national action network al sharpton. >> congressman what's the likelihood your legislation will pass? >> joe, good morning. yesterday our office was flooded with calls from fellow republicans, asking for details about this legislation, many of them anxious to get on without even knowing exactly what we were going to file but there's a lot of momentum here in the congress for solving this narrow issue. it's very clear to everyone here by now that this is a blatant s circumvention of the existing law. there's growing consensus. i'm filing ledge jays with a democrat from massachusetts later today and we're confident a lot of colleagues will get on

board. >> one of the first actions that executive orders that president trump rolled back was an obama era regulation that would have made it harder for people who are deemed mentally defective to get their hands on guns. how far does it go? it's great we'll see some progress here. but how far does it go when you have actions being taken by the administration like this? because as you know in previous massacres, newtown, orlando, bump stocks were not used and still dozens of people were slaughtered. >> that was a different case. the social securitys administration was getting involved. this is a small step. i wouldn't say this is insignificant. this is the first time in decades that republicans and democrats work together to advance sensible gun policy. and by the way, to those who are saying we should just change the regulation, atf should change

their interpretation, if they afreed these devices should be illegal then let's codify it. turn knit to law so a future atf can't reinterpret the legislation. under president obama it's true atf said these devices are legal. we recognize they should be illegal. let's cod fie it. >> the bump stock is a piece of this. we saw from the crime scene photo in the hotel room the shooter had high capacity magazine, a huge collection of weapons. he purchased 30 weapons over the course of a year. there's some other things that should to be done or looked at here besides just the bump stock. how many normal people buy 30 guns in a year and stockpile tons of ammunition? >> that's a fair point. i want to keep the focus on what we can actually get done.

it's okay to have this debate. we should. i filed legislation last year targeting people who were under fbi terrorism ties and their ability to acquire weapons. i would like to advance that legislation as well. but, let's focus on what we can actually get done. the more ambitious we get here not just on any issue but on so many others like immigration and others where i'm active on, the more ambitious we get the less likely we're to get anything done. what i think this country needs and what this country needs is to show that we can get things done even if they are small at first. that will build confidence. that will create a better environment here where people can actually have a rationale debate. >> thank you very much for being on with us this morning. >> where do you want to begin? we can talk about guns but i don't want to forget about

puerto rico like our president did. >> i think the difference that i would have with can congressman yes we ought to focus on what we can get done but we ought to focus on what we should get done. i think in an environment where we've gone from noun ewtown to y hook and now come back we'll only deal with this narrow thicthing of bump stocks is not dealing with a consistent problem of guns. >> if you go too big the chances of guesting something done decrease. >> not too big but don't go too narrow either. when you have a republican party that says we want to have strict voter i.d. laws but we don't want to have background checks on guns so we want to be strict on your right to vote but we don't want to be strict on your right to bear arms -- >> by the way, we have to be clear here.

it's republicans on capitol hill -- >> that's right. >> a majority of republicans support increased background checks. majority of nra members support background checks. >> they don't reflect their own constituency. and then you do with that segueing into what you raised, you do that in the climate of a president that goes down to puerto rico after calling them ingrates, after saying they want us to do everything, like if he's giving charity to american citizens, and then he acts as though he's steph curry trying to do a three shooter throwing paper towels at people. >> tells them they're bankrupting us. >> and you're whacking our budget. >> he didn't say that in houston. he didn't say that in florida. >> he didn't say it anywhere. i mean, if you have a consistent pattern where you treat people

differently based on who they are, then whether you're a racist or not, you'll do to the real one comes up. >> someone brought up one nick in the last segment, what would we be talking about right now if barack obama was taking three-point shots at those poor people? >> it would be a complete overwhelming uprise from everybody and it would be justifiable. and he did it -- we're hearing reports this morning, he did it in areas that were not as hit as others. and the signal i had, you notice everyone there was taking pictures of him with their smartphones which means he was in the area where you are power. he didn't go where people were out of power and december late. and then to use these photo ops to have these grotesque pictures like this is fun and games and i'm doing three-shooters adds insult to injury to a man who

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a front page story in the times by jodi cantor and megan tuly. what they report is harvey weinstein has been trailed by decades of sexual misconduct claims and for the first time they've laid out here. women in these stories going on the record. ashley judd is going on the record about being invited to a breakfast meeting in beverly hills. it says a lot about how power works in the workplace and in hollywood, a place that it's supposedly liberal values. >> how did he respond? >> he's apologized in a general way for hurting or causing pain to people who work for him. and he's threatening to sue the "the new york times" for reporting about this pain that he caused to his employees. >> is he separating from the company? >> he has gone on leave from his company, going in therapy and

also working on a lawsuit. >> i've known harvey for years. it's a sad story. these stories have been legend in hollywood for years. anyone in the business is not surprised. i think the good news is when you put this together with roger ailes and you put it together with bill o'reilly, there is a sea change happening. one of harvey's defenses is he grew up in if '70s and '80s and this was behavior status quo which i'm not going to comment on. but i do think there's a sea change happening in coming off of the girl statue thing that women are going to feel much more empowered and that behavior is going to come more and more, certainly not as meek as your entire know your value, there's still so far to go for women in the workplace but there is a sea change happening. >> and you think about what happened during the campaign. we also have to look at how far we have to go in that many of the women who did come forward with allegations faced a

blowback of their own and i think it's immoral that as far as we've come, there are always, when these stories come out, more victims. and it takes something special for the victims who did actually come forward and share their stories because they know there is also that threat -- >> that they may not be -- >> sought to be discredited. >> and i think it sends the bad signal -- i agree that we're seeing a sea change in the corporate and cultural areas. >> yes. >> but it's incremental. but when you look at that contrasted to who just won for president, what all of he had said on video, we have a long way to go so we shouldn't start patting ourselves on the back when you can be elected president of the tape that was released of donald trump saying the most egregious things about women. >> there are major steps forward in corporate culture were just a setback with the president. joe's piece in the washington

post today, you could read it. >> all right. that does it for us. >> that's your final thought? >> yeah. we hope that you guys have a great weekend. thanks so much for being with us and as always we thank you for your patience. >> see you monday. >> stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage now. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning we're talking about the calm before the storm. president trump delivers an ominous warning but with reports he plans to decertify the iran nuclear deal, the growing russian investigation, chaos in north korea and late breaking news on birth control. what in the world was he talking about? >> what storm, mr. president? >> you'll find out. >> president trump reportedly furious after the nbc report that his secretary of state called him a moron and in sense pence holds a hastily planned call with tillerson while kelly abruptly can